Let's hear some words from those racist tea party folks.
What you are about to hear are the words from Tea Party activists and participants. Since we know these folks are racists and bigots, because Keith Olberman, Chris Matthews, Bil Clinton and the folks in the Baghdad Bob media tell us so, listener discretion is advised. If you can't trust the media, who can you trust right? There is only a slight problem with this video you are about to see. These bigoted racist right winger tea party white folks speaking aren't exactly "white". Nothing like truth in advertising.
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 12:00 PM
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This has become totally ridiculous!
First off, the interviewer obviously sought out "non-white" face's for this clip. So now we have media outlets playing Blacks from the other end of the stick.
One side accuses the other of being racist, and the other side says; "oh nooo, we're not racist, look at our blacks...see I found some!" (5 or 6 out of 10,000, but hey, what you gonna do!) Hey Black person, come over here and let me tell you what those low-life "libruls" are saying about you!
The interviewer went on to imply that "librul" media outlets (MSNBC) was attacking them as being "uncle toms" and "oreos", via some voices within the Black community. Well hell, what other response would you expect from an insult??
The fact is, the term "race-baiting" is a contrived idea by those who pursue a means to keep Black folk separated, and from coming together to address the problems within the Black communities.
Moreover, it is plain as the nose on your face that the vast majority of the Tea Party goer's a WHITE! Does that mean that the Tea Party participants are all racist? "NO"!!! However, it's a fact that can't be ignored! Just as no one ignores the fact that most inner cities are MAJORITY BLACK! It's just a fact!!!!
Look at this situation, and these statistics;
The Nation of Islam (Presently Farrakhan's "racist" NOI) began here in Detroit. The NOI has roughly about 50,000 to 70,000 nationwide. Here in Detroit the members number about 2000. Detroit is 90% Black with a population of 900,000+. Yet the NOI cannot muster a membership of more than .002 percent of the population.
However, when Farrakhan called for Black men to become responsible for themselves and their communities, the effort (Million Man March) was attacked by many on the right and conservatives in particular.
Liberals on the Left, Conservatives on the Right, and those colored folk in the middle... Thats how we're being played!!!
p allen "This has become totally ridiculous!First off, the interviewer obviously sought out "non-white" face's for this clip. So now we have media outlets playing Blacks from the other end of the stick."
What is ridiculous is how the left has to try and make everybody who disagrees with Obama out to be some sort of closet bigot or racist allen. The only reason I comment on this stuff is because the media and the left are so dam obsessed in trying to create some sort of template to smear ordinary people as some sort of monsters. When the left and the media stop their insane crusade against those who oppose Obama, then I will stop commenting on it.
p allen "
One side accuses the other of being racist, and the other side says; "oh nooo, we're not racist, look at our blacks...see I found some!" (5 or 6 out of 10,000, but hey, what you gonna do!) Hey Black person, come over here and let me tell you what those low-life "libruls" are saying about you!
It's your side allen that accuses those who opposes Obama's agenda as being racists. It's your side that constantly beats the drum of race 24 freaking 7 365!! It's your side that said that anyone who didn't vote for Obama did so because they must be racists. It is your side that is claiming that if anyone disagrees with Obama and is apart of civil gathering, they must be racists. This video wouldn't have to have been created if your side didn't try and falsely paint people as something that they aren't. This video was in response to morons like Obby, Matthews, Clinton, Mitchell and other liberal kooks who were the ones who originally brought up the race issue as it relates to the Tea Party movement.
p allen "
The interviewer went on to imply that "librul" media outlets (MSNBC) was attacking them as being "uncle toms" and "oreos", via some voices within the Black community. Well hell, what other response would you expect from an insult??"
Why can't the left respect ideological diversity allen? Don't you liberals spew on about how "tolerant" you guys are? I guess when black conservatives are called uncle toms, it just shows how intolerant and bigoted liberals truly are. I've never called a person an "uncle tom" as insult before. Matter of fact, I have never called a person and uncle tom. Then again, I am a tolerant conservative who believes in diverse viewpoints even those I don't agree with. I'm not an intolerant liberal who believes that everybody needs to think monolithically based on race.
p allen "The fact is, the term "race-baiting" is a contrived idea by those who pursue a means to keep Black folk separated, and from coming together to address the problems within the Black communities.
Seperated allen? You mean like how black and white liberals ostracise blacks who don't subscribe to their ideological thinking?
p allen "Moreover, it is plain as the nose on your face that the vast majority of the Tea Party goer's a WHITE! Does that mean that the Tea Party participants are all racist? "NO"!!! However, it's a fact that can't be ignored! Just as no one ignores the fact that most inner cities are MAJORITY BLACK! It's just a fact!!!!"
Are you ready for this little fact allen? The racial majority that makes up America are "White"! So it only begs to reason that any political party or movement will be made up of the majority race of the country duh duh duh!!!So it isn't a surprise to those who use common sense that the Tea Part movement is mostly made up of whites, but then again who cares except for you and you liberal elk. Do you bring up the fact that the vast majority of people that make up groups like Moveon.org and Code Pink are also "WHITE"! What do you have to say about them allen? Are those groups some how racist because they have few no black people in their groups? huh?
p allen "Liberals on the Left, Conservatives on the Right, and those colored folk in the middle... Thats how we're being played!!!"
wrong allen. Conservatives have been focusing on the issues, liberals having been focusing on race, race and race. Get it right. I've been documenting all of this from the day Obama made his speech at the Democrat National Convention back in 2004. It's the left that has a racial hangup and are trying to make it the conservative's problem.
CB;"What is ridiculous is how the left has to try and make everybody who disagrees with Obama out to be some sort of closet bigot or racist allen".
Quit with the generalizations Tyrone. "Everybody" who disagree's with President Obama is not a bigot or racist. "Everybody" on the right, or the left, doesn't think exactly the same...
CB;"It's your side allen that accuses those who opposes Obama's agenda as being racists. It's your side that constantly beats the drum of race 24 freaking 7 365!! It's your side, etc...".
I don't take side's, unless it's against an ideology, action or intentions to do harm to myself or others.
With concern to the Tea Party, I have taken "no side" other than the position that "some elements" of the Tea Party movement have questionable motives. I believe it is for that reason that many Blacks are not participating in the Tea Party rally's.
CB;"The racial majority that makes up America are "White"! So it only begs to reason that any political party or movement will be made up of the majority race of the country duh duh duh!!!".
Now you're talking crazy...
The Civil Rights Movement was a "political" movement...wasn't it? The "Labor Movement, Pro-Choice Women's Rights, Anti Iraq War, Enviromental Protests, etc... are political, aren't they? In each one of those "political protest", can you say less than .02 percent of the participants were Americans of color?
Did, or would groups such as Stormfront, Council of Conservative Citizens and V-Dare attempt to join, co-opt or infiltrate the above stated political movements?
Tyrone, you have no clue what is going on. Both side's (right and left) are playing "race games" within the Tea Party's.
There's nothing wrong with being opposed to the presidents policies. Hell, I can't stand the idea of bank bailouts. However, when I see an opposition who's under lying ideology attracts nefarious elements, it sends up a red flag in my heart and mind.
p allen "Quit with the generalizations Tyrone. "Everybody" who disagree's with President Obama is not a bigot or racist. "Everybody" on the right, or the left, doesn't think exactly the same..."
Generalizations my behind allen. Its just pure 100% concentrated unfilted fact!. Its the left who keeps trying to make all of this about race. Ignore reality all you like. It was also Obama in his OWN BOOK AUDICITY OF HOPE who said "The WHITE MANS GREED runs a world in need". Do your research allen, apparently I have. It was Obama's pastor who claimed America is "USKKK of A". These aren't my words allen. Another quote from Obama's book Audicity of Hope "That is how WHITE PEOPLE will do you". So once again allen, you are bringing a watergun to a gunfight lacking facts.
p allen "I don't take side's, unless it's against an ideology, action or intentions to do harm to myself or others.
With concern to the Tea Party, I have taken "no side" other than the position that "some elements" of the Tea Party movement have questionable motives. I believe it is for that reason that many Blacks are not participating in the Tea Party rally's."
And the Academy Award for best deceptive line goes to you, congrats. lol. You don't take sides? lol lol lol lol lol, I can't believe you said that with a straight face. Many blacks don't participate in the Tea Party rallies is because like you they have their tongue so far up Obama's ass, they can't see the light of day. Obama can do no wrong in their eyes point blank. He could get caught robbing a bank today, and blacks will say he did it to help the poor. It also comes down to values. Most blacks don't like this country even though they will never leave. Blacks who attend tea parties love America, there is the contrast. Blacks who attend tea parties are versed in the constitution. Most blacks who support Obama and are liberal know nothing of the constitution. Once again, its comes down to a different set of core values among black liberals and black conservatives.
p allen "
Now you're talking crazy...
The Civil Rights Movement was a "political" movement...wasn't it? The "Labor Movement, Pro-Choice Women's Rights, Anti Iraq War, Enviromental Protests, etc... are political, aren't they? In each one of those "political protest", can you say less than .02 percent of the participants were Americans of color?"
Wrong again allen. I made to political reference in response to what liberals like Howard Dean and others who say that the Repulican Party is the "white man's party". Of course the retardation level of remarks like Dean's and other liberas are off the chart. It also again illustrates how the left has to make every freaking thing about race race race race race race race race and oh yeah race.
p allen "However, when Farrakhan called for Black men to become responsible for themselves and their communities, the effort (Million Man March) was attacked by many on the right and conservatives in particular."
Do you know why allen? It isn't what he said that they attacked. It is the fact that if a white person would have said they the same thing, he or she would have been branded as a racist. I made this point several years ago when I talked about Obama's Trinity United Cult of Christ black value system.
p allen "Tyrone, you have no clue what is going on. Both side's (right and left) are playing "race games" within the Tea Party's."
Yeah your right allen. I've only been to 3 tea parties within the year, how many have you been too to make you the authoritarian voice on what goes on at the tea parties? Answer please
p allen "There's nothing wrong with being opposed to the presidents policies. Hell, I can't stand the idea of bank bailouts. However, when I see an opposition who's under lying ideology attracts nefarious elements, it sends up a red flag in my heart and mind."
So the Tea Party must disband because some stray loons might blend in? I don't think so. Where was your concern when groups like moveon.org and code pink where established under the "prior administration allen". Your fake concern is amusing.
CB;"Many blacks don't participate in the Tea Party rallies is because like you they have their tongue so far up Obama's ass, they can't see the light of day".
So, to vote for or support a politician means you must have a "tongue up their ass?" Now that's reeeeeal cold!!! Must be that "Palin Alaskan" frozen doo-doo on your tongue...
CB;"So the Tea Party must disband because some stray loons might blend in? I don't think so".
Who's said they should "disband?" I did not state nor imply such a thing...
Yet you think that racist groups are trying to BLEND IN???? I've shown and told you repeatedly that white racist are infiltrating the Tea Party's. I've shown you where the CofCC and Stromfront are taking advantage of the "FACT" that the vast majority of the Tea Party Movement is WHITE!! They are not "blending in", they are "co-opting" the movement!
The few Blacks that attend that Tea Party rally should ask themselves this question; How do you prove there aren't any White racist at this rally by putting my face on camera? If there are elements of racism, why not find it and deal with that problem directly!
Lets say a Muslim started a political group with the intention of peacefully changing government policy, and 30 Muslims and 2 Christians joined. So now, someone asserts; "Hey, they are just a bunch of radical Muslims terrorist." In addition, someone else "shows" that 3 or 4 radical Muslims have indeed "blended-in" with the group.
Now when confronted with the accusation of being a "radical Muslim" group, they trot out the 2 Christians and say; "see, we're not radical Muslims, we've got these 2 Christan's"!!
My point is, wouldn't it make more sense to find the "radical elements" and boot them out?? Wouldn't it substantiate, and give your group more credibility if were shown to be non tolerant of radical elements? So much so that you would "seek them out" and publicly castigate and expel them from your ranks?
You don't have a clue as to what is going on within the Tea Party Tyrone. As long as you do as you're told by your conservative mentors, you'll continue to be clueless...
One of the many things I've noticed about Allen is his refusal to accept that black conservatives are free thinkers. Allen, just because we don't agree with you doesn't mean we cannot think for ourselves. You constantly imply that we are "told" what to think by what you call "our conservative mentors." Just because I agree with the things said by Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Mark Levin doesn't mean they tell me what to think. Since you seem to agree with Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann, I guess they tell you what to think as well?
The race card is getting old and that dead horse is nearly maggot eaten. I've opposed Obama from day one and I'm black as they come and I'm sick of Liberals acting like I'm supposed to tow the party line. Sorry Liberals I'm my own person first and foremost so get used to the fact that I will never side with you Leftists on anything and I don't harbor hatred for whites and people of Hispanic cultural lineage.
I like his explanation of an 'Uncle Tom'. The party of slavery is another nice gem....
I have to tell you in all fairness, i'm tired of Bill O'reilly and Sean Hannity, and for that matter, the Fox News Channel!
It's an embarassment to see these two men, consistently book a character like Al Sharpton on their shows,, by giving him further credibility and a platform to spew his racial rant!
Renee, brooklyn
Frank;"Just because I agree with the things said by Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Mark Levin doesn't mean they tell me what to think".
Actually I was talking about Tyrone, but, "if the shoe fits..."
In my opinion Black conservatives tend to tow the conservative social and political line. I can't think of "one" Black conservative that is what some might call "an inovator" in the political or social realm.
Where as you might name a "Shelby Steele, Thoams Sewell or a Clarence Thomas, even Ken Blackwell or Lynn Swann." I can show that each one of these gentlemen have never been elected to any political office that matters. In every case I know of, the Black Conservative is a "follower" of the mainstream conservative brand.
Don't you find it odd that a "fat drug addict, Viagra using college drop out" (Limbaugh) has more conservative political and social influence than the Black conservative scholars I've mentioned?
-Isn't it odd that Black conservative authors dont sell nearly as many books as White conservatives?
-Isn't odd that White conservative TV, radio and other media personalities make far more than Black conservative personality or pundit?
-Wasn't it odd in 2006 (so called, "The Year of the Black Republican"), when every Black Republican and/or conservative lost in statewide and national races?
Isn't it strange that Michael Steele (who by the way is a Black Republican that I've always liked) tell's the truth about the Republican Party's problems with Blacks, and subsequently he's labled a "quack"??
As far as Matthews and Olbermann, both are left wing commentators and pundits. Politically, I agree with some of what each has to say. Socially, I am as far from Olbermann and Matthew, as I am from you!
I'm a Conservative white woman and happened to find your blog by sheer accident, and I'm so glad I did.
I loved the woman's answer, she said"I don't like Obama 'cause he's white, what does Olbermann have to say about that?"-
What irks me about this whole thing is how Liberals will not discuss the issues or even the subject at hand, instead they rush and attack everything irrelevant. They learned well from the socialist pamphlets of Ayers & Co.
There will always be some form of racism in this world, because that is human nature, but I hope that more of us will come together and save this country, our love for the US should be greater than the disdain for others who are different from us, and that includes color, political ideology, religion or gender.
p allen "So, to vote for or support a politician means you must have a "tongue up their ass?" Now that's reeeeeal cold!!! Must be that "Palin Alaskan" frozen doo-doo on your tongue."
No allen, when people blindly follow a politician and can never see any wrong he or she does, then they do have their tongues up that politician's ass, in this case that would be Obama's.
p allen "Yet you think that racist groups are trying to BLEND IN???? I've shown and told you repeatedly that white racist are infiltrating the Tea Party's. I've shown you where the CofCC and Stromfront are taking advantage of the "FACT" that the vast majority of the Tea Party Movement is WHITE!! They are not "blending in", they are "co-opting" the movement!"
I never said that there weren't any wingnuts within the Tea Parties,but the Tea Parties do a great cop at pointing out the fringe elements at the rallies.
The Tea Party folks are focusing on the issues and do not want their message overshadowed by extremist elements that may try and blend in.
p allen "Where as you might name a "Shelby Steele, Thoams Sewell or a Clarence Thomas, even Ken Blackwell or Lynn Swann." I can show that each one of these gentlemen have never been elected to any political office that matters. In every case I know of, the Black Conservative is a "follower" of the mainstream conservative brand."
Warped logic allen. So you are saying that a person has to be elected in order to be a leader and not a follower? I haven't been elected nor have I ever ran for any political office. I'm black and conservatives and I do not "follow" anyone. Ideology is about principals not being lead by an elected official. So since Obama was elected President, are you admiting you are a subservient loyal "follower" allen?
p allen"The few Blacks that attend that Tea Party rally should ask themselves this question; How do you prove there aren't any White racist at this rally by putting my face on camera? If there are elements of racism, why not find it and deal with that problem directly!"
Black liberals like yourself should ask the question "why are we so obsessed with people's pigmentation". Try it sometime allen. Seeing that black conservatives have more experience actually attending tea parties then you who has never and can only give your "opinion", black conservatives know who attends the tea parties and what their motives are.
p allen "In my opinion Black conservatives tend to tow the conservative social and political line. I can't think of "one" Black conservative that is what some might call "an inovator" in the political or social realm."
It's just so hard for you to comprehend that black folks can have diverse view points allen. The only people who seems to have a problem with diversity are you liberals. It's just a shame that the left is so intellectually inept in defending what they claim to believe in that they have to tar and feather those who don't agree with liberal viewpoints.
p allen "Isn't it strange that Michael Steele (who by the way is a Black Republican that I've always liked) tell's the truth about the Republican Party's problems with Blacks, and subsequently he's labled a "quack"??"
Yeah, sure you've always liked Steele allen, tell me another one. What truth pray tell has Steele told about the Republican party? The stuff he as said has been "odd, off base, loony, whacked out" etc. The Republican Party doesn't have a problem with blacks, blacks are the ones who have the blind love affiar with the Democrat Party. If most blacks want to be subservient to the Democrat borg collective, that is on them, but don't expect all blacks to "comply" to ignorance allen.
Boticella "
What irks me about this whole thing is how Liberals will not discuss the issues or even the subject at hand, instead they rush and attack everything irrelevant. They learned well from the socialist pamphlets of Ayers & Co.
That is because Boticella liberals can't defend their own ideology, because it isn't grounded with facts. A person can't justify 2+2=5 no matter how hard they try. Liberalism is about feelings not analytical thinking rationality. That is why they have to constantly tar, feather, smear people who challenge their views.Good luck trying to get liberals to bring facts to the table to validate their views as being factual. It will never ever ever happen. They have to constantly make everything about race, because that is their only card they can play in trying to intimidate anybody who holds opposing viewpoints.
Allen, your assertion about the disparities between black and white conservatives is exactly the same for black and white liberals. There are no so called "innovative" or "stand-out" black liberals either. In fact, black liberals "tow the party line" far more than any black conservatives. How many times have black liberals been called names or ridiculed for supporting white liberal candidates?
The "don't you find it odd" questions you asked I can answer easily. I'm not bothered nor concerned about the differences. As long as the person in office, running for office, writing a book or a media personality has similar ideals and political views to my own; the color of that person's skin is irrelevant.
Personal attacks on Limbaugh don't affect me. I don't care what his physical condition happens to be. Nor does it matter to me whether or not he has a college degree. His addiction to pain pills was his and I really don't care if he uses viagra. To be clear, I agree with a lot of what Rush says - but not everything.
You've also pointed to some racist groups who've attended T.E.A. Party events. There has been a great deal of time dedicated to deppicting T.E.A. Party attendees as racists and violent. Where is the outrage for the marxists, communists and socialists who populate the left? Where is the on-going dialog about the arrests and acts of violence occurring at liberal rallies?
The problem the liberals and left supporters have with the T.E.A. Party is they can't fathom how thousands of people can get together to peacefully protest without acts of violence, destruction of property, assaults (against Police Officers like bottles and other objects being thrown at Officers) and arrests.
We attended the first march on D.C. as well as the emergency health care marches on D.C. No violence, no arrests and no assaults. In fact, the Capitol Police Chief praised the marchers for leaving the Capitol Lawn cleaner than when we arrived.
Since thousands of people can get together and peacibly protest, the left can only level racist charges against them. The left leaning media's attempt to portray us as extremists falls flat because we are peaceful. We sing "God Bless America," "The National Anthem" and recite the "Pledge of Allegiance."
Just compare the numerous T.E.A. Party rallies with the anti-war protests, the recent Arizona immigration law protest and the SEIU protest. Numerous arrests were made and objects were thrown at the Police Officers. Where is the denouncement from those on the left against the prevelent violence at their rallies?
Tyrone, I know I tell you this often, but again, I am so thankful for the effort and commitment you have to this blog. This post makes me even more hopeful that the American people who see the threat to the loss of our liberty will continue to band together and make a difference. The video at the T.E.A. Party reminded me of my love for this Nation and Her People. Thank you Tyrone and God Bless you and keep you.
Frank;"Allen, your assertion about the disparities between black and white conservatives is exactly the same for black and white liberals".
Now we're getting somewhere Frank! This is what I enjoy...fair, honest, and to the point dialog.
-Black conservative authors dont sell nearly as many books as White conservatives.
Black, so-called liberals authors, who have sold just as many or more than some popular white liberals are, Michael Eric Dyson, Bill Cosby and Tavis Smiley (socio-political). James McBride (social)
-White conservative TV, radio and other media personalities make far more than Black conservative personality or pundit.
Black Liberal TV/Radio personality? One word.... OPRAH. Her wealth and her audience is that of Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly and Becks combined. Oprahs endorsement and influence in the 2008 presidential race delivered votes from Americans of all races.
Innovators are people who lead the way in their profession or personal endevours. No one can deny that Oprah Winfrey is an innovator.
And, although President Obama's detractors can't stand the ground he walks on, he is indeed a "stand out" among Black Americans.
Love him or hate him, the president of the United States (no matter who it is) has to be (or become) an innovator, and by far is the most important person in the world. Thus for President Obama to "tow a party line" makes absolutely no sense
Frank Dupree "The problem the liberals and left supporters have with the T.E.A. Party is they can't fathom how thousands of people can get together to peacefully protest without acts of violence, destruction of property, assaults (against Police Officers like bottles and other objects being thrown at Officers) and arrests."
That is an excellent point frank!! If the Tea Parties is made up of backwoods racist kkk republicans as the left wants to claim and promote, why are black tea party folks saying positive things about the people there? Once again the left's fantasy just doesn't meet reality. Out of the millions of participation and hundred of tea parties, the left can find not one example of any racism or hatred towards
blacks in attendance. The media would go running screaming into the night if this question asked to them.
Frank Dupree "We attended the first march on D.C. as well as the emergency health care marches on D.C. No violence, no arrests and no assaults. In fact, the Capitol Police Chief praised the marchers for leaving the Capitol Lawn cleaner than when we arrived."
I attended two tea parties in Baltimore. I met some of the most patriotic and common sense thinking people I've ever came into contact with.
Frank Dupree "You've also pointed to some racist groups who've attended T.E.A. Party events. There has been a great deal of time dedicated to deppicting T.E.A. Party attendees as racists and violent. Where is the outrage for the marxists, communists and socialists who populate the left? Where is the on-going dialog about the arrests and acts of violence occurring at liberal rallies?"
Allen will just turn his head and look shell shocked that you dare asked him that question frank, and don't expect an answer from him. lol
Barbara "Tyrone, I know I tell you this often, but again, I am so thankful for the effort and commitment you have to this blog."
As long as our country is being threatened by the left, I will continue to fight until I close my eyes for the last time Barbara.
p allen "-Black conservative authors dont sell nearly as many books as White conservatives."
Still trying to grap on to a handful of sand are we allen? Most books that black conservatives write are mainly targeted toward black liberals. White conservatives writes books about policy and the differences between liberalism and conservatism. Two completely different styles of books. In the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter. I never thought about who sells more books then who, then again as I said time and time again, I'm not racially obsessed, I'll leave that to you allen.
p allen "Black, so-called liberals authors, who have sold just as many or more than some popular white liberals are, Michael Eric Dyson, Bill Cosby and Tavis Smiley (socio-political). James McBride (social)"
Who buys books written by white liberals? The fact is that white liberals are NOT lecture powerhouse sellers in the book selling world.Please tell me the last time a liberal active or scholar had a NY Times number one best seller. If anything black liberal authors are on the same par as white liberal authors in having a few people actually buying their books. The only book I can think of that actually did well that was written by a liberal is Bill Clinton's book.
p allen "-White conservative TV, radio and other media personalities make far more than Black conservative personality or pundit."
Ah please, ask the average American can they name a national liberal personality on the radio and watch their blank stare. Then ask those people have their heard of Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck or Laura Ingraham or Sean Hannity or Mark Levin then watch the response. Your firing blanks again allen. You need to reload.
Once again liberals regardless of race enjoy equal failure on the radio just as they do in print.
p allen "Black Liberal TV/Radio personality? One word.... OPRAH. Her wealth and her audience is that of Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly and Becks combined. Oprahs endorsement and influence in the 2008 presidential race delivered votes from Americans of all races."
You of course left out one KEY difference about Oprah. Oprah's show isn't about POLITICS allen. Did you really think that nobody was going to pick up that? Also the Obama drones were going to vote for Obama regardless of Oprah's involvement. Also most blacks don't even watch Oprah. You really should have researched her show's demographics allen prior to you making that statement.
p allen "And, although President Obama's detractors can't stand the ground he walks on, he is indeed a "stand out" among Black Americans
cough cough, I'm black and I am most definitely an American and Obama doesn't stand out among me. Personally I can give a rats him about him. Then again, I'm an analytical free thinker not a subservient ethnicadrat. Thank god!
CB;"Most books that black conservatives write are mainly targeted toward black liberals. White conservatives writes books about policy and the differences between liberalism and conservatism".
Absolutely correct Tyrone! Most books written by Black conservatives are directed at tearing down the status quo of "Black Democratic Voting Bloc", "Black Identity" and the so-called "Black Leadership."
However, why do you think that it "just so happens" that the White conservative want's the exact same thing? Why can't Black conservative authors focus on overall social policy, or promote new idea's to forward the conservative agenda?
I know the answer to all those questions! There is no viable Black conservative candidate in the Republican Party because.... "there just ain't one." Right?? yeah right...
Black conservatives do what there "told" to do...
I don't want to hear any liberals whining about racism when their beloved Obama is a horrible racist Anti-Semite!
Obama attended a racist church for 20 years and his church preaches damnation for this nation.
If anything it's Obama who should be on trial for his racism and racist pals!
I believe he is a racist because of the company he keeps!
Allen, conservatism doesn't need new ideas to "further" it's message. As a conservative, I am for lower taxes, less gov't spending (fiscal responsibility) and smaller gov't - just as the framers intended. As a conservative, I don't believe that the gov't is the answer to all problems. I believe people need to take responsibility for themselves and their actions and choices - not cast blame on "society."
Liberals are the ones who believe in a "Social" agenda. Things like social justice and social equality are inventions of the liberal statist to further their own view of what this country should be.
Once again you state, "Black conservatives do what they're told to do." Prove it. Present your facts and examples that prove your statement. While you're at it, prove how black liberals are different. From all of the polling data, voting breakdown, etc...it looks like black liberals always vote for democrats. Coincidence?
Frank;"Allen, conservatism doesn't need new ideas to "further" it's message".
Frank, perhaps you don't understand the idea and concept of "growth" in relation to political ideology.
In a society ideology in inherent to politics. Thus, ideology in politics must grow, if it doesn't, over time it renders the ideology ineffectual.
Conservatism, in particular is marked in many ways with modification and modernization. From Edmund Burke, to Russell Kirk, and William F. Buckley Jr., onto Barry Goldwater then Ronald Reagan, conservatism grew based on the input of idea's from these men.
Frank;"While you're at it, prove how black liberals are different".
By the mark the "Black Liberal" has made upon society! From Frederick Douglass, to Dr. King, to Barrack Obama... Is that enough "liberalism" for you???
So, once again I'll ask you, "why can't Black conservative authors focus on overall social policy, or promote new idea's to forward the conservative agenda?"
Frank;"Once again you state, "Black conservatives do what they're told to do." Prove it. Present your facts and examples that prove your statement".
For one bit of proof, take a look at YOURSELF! Hell, you don't even believe that conservative ideology needs to grow! You're satisfied with the idea's "given to you", which are no more than "regurgitated talking points"!
Look Frank, I've expressed my social and political views many times on this blog. If you don't know what they are, I suggest you sift through Tyrone's archived list and read them.
In brief, you'll should know that I also don't care for "tax and spend" government. It's just that we differ on what should be taxed and how it should be spent. I am against "government welfare" in it's present state of "something for nothing." I believe in a womans right to choose what to do with her body. I believe Blacks should form our own economic, political, social and spiritual alliance to address the problems within the Black communities.
Allen, you state political ideology "must grow" in order to remain effective. That statement is true for statists or liberals. Conservatism holds some core beliefs that are time tested. The core beliefs of fiscal responisbilty, smaller gov't and lower taxes will never need to be "modernized" or "modified." Personal responsibility is also a conservative ideal which never loses it's effectiveness or it's appeal. These ideals were never modified or modernized by Reagan or Goldwater. Conservatism grew because more people agreed with the ideals.
You mention names as the marks of liberalism on society. There are many who contend Dr. King was not a liberal. He may have opposed the war and was not a proponent of free market capitalism. At best, Dr. King would be called moderate due to his deep religious beliefs.
As far as Obama, his brand of liberalism is as far to left as you can get. Although, he has made teleprompter speaking an art form.
Once again, I'll answer. Social policy is a tool of the left used to convince people they need the help of gov't. As a conservative, the only thing I want from the gov't is the protection and services it's supposed to provide as chartered in the Constitution; nothing more and nothing less.
Allen, you still haven't proved anything about black conservatives. The ideals of liberty, freedom, personal responsibility, wanting the freedoms endowed by God protected, the want for lower taxes and smaller, less intrusive gov't weren't given to me by someone else. Only statists, liberals like yourself and other leftists think conservatism needs to grow. Again, I'm not interested in "social equality", "social justice" or "social policy."
Frank;"Allen, you state political ideology "must grow" in order to remain effective. That statement is true for statists or liberals.".
Actually, that statement is true for "all" things in life....
But I digress-
When you hear one of your conservative mentors state exactly what I've been attempting to tell you, just pretend I never told you... Then, you can be happy!
Allen said: Frank;"Allen, you state political ideology "must grow" in order to remain effective. That statement is true for statists or liberals.".
Actually, that statement is true for "all" things in life....
Sorry, Allen but that statement is not true for all things in life. Take the Bible for example. Christian ideology doesn't and hasn't needed to grow in thousands of years. Interpretations of the Bible vary and change but the basic christian ideals haven't.
You keep repeating the claim conservatism needs to "grow". The fundamental core conservative values are time tested and resonate regardless. Ideals such as liberty, the want for lower taxes, the want for the gov't to be fiscally responsible and the want for a smaller, less intrusive gov't are things that are easy to understand. They don't need to grow and have never been ineffective.
Frank;"Sorry, Allen but that statement is not true for all things in life. Take the Bible for example. Christian ideology doesn't and hasn't needed to grow in thousands of years. Interpretations of the Bible vary and change but the basic christian ideals haven't".
Say what???? This is exactly what I'm talking about. It's what happens when you don't think for yourself. You've stumbled onto an argument which you now must defend with "nonsense." Since you have no "mentor" to follow in your quest, you're "making s#!t up" simply to make claim that you're right.
Varied interpretations are indeed "signs of growth", because varied interpretations are basically a "new ideas." First off, the Bible (as a written piece of history or put plainly "A BOOK") is not a living and breathing entity. People are the objects of "interpretation and growth."
From early Christianity to the Councils of Nicaea, Ephesus and Chalcedon, to the Great Schism, to the Protestant Reformation, the Old Testament to the New Testament, Eastern and Western Rites. How about the evolution of the Gospels form Mark, Matthew, Luke and John? I could go on, but if you're "thinking" you should get the idea...
Thus, "Christianity" (as an ideology) did, has, and will continue to evolve and grow. As I previously stated, if it doesn't, over time it renders the ideology ineffectual.
If you had simply thought for a moment, I believe you wouldn't have made such an nonsensical claim.
Frank, I don't claim to be a "great thinker, philosopher, inventor or innovator." However, I'm not stupid. There's no way I was going to let you make such a claim and not point it out as.... basically, BULLS#!T!! If we're going to have an intelligent conversation, don't try to "bulls#!t!" me.
One thing I do believe and realize is, when it come to "ideology", I don't allow the ideology to teach me "what" to think, I learn "how" to think from the ideology teaches.
Where to begin, where to beggin...
Christian ideology has changed and thus grown in your view, Allen? Odd, I always thought things like thou shalt not kill...steal...lie...covet...etc were self-explanatory and difficult to misinterpret. That's what I get for thinking for myself. Maybe you can explain how, as I stated the fundamental orcore christian ideology has grown. Things like do unto others, love thy neighbor and forgiveness have not changed in thousands of years.
So, you now claim different interpretations are in fact examples of growth and change. Again, since you believe I am lost; what do you have in the way of facts to back up your claim? If we're speaking about the Bible, how is it there are many translations but all convey identical ideals? Christianity's core principles have never changed nor have they grown. The ideals taught in the Bible are timeless.
What exactly has changed about Christianity? You mention the Testaments, gospels and reformations. You don't provide examples of change and growth. Even after all of those things, Christian ideology remains the same. Unless, of course; you are a non-believer, Allen.
Here's another example of an ieal that hasn't changed or grown - personal responsibility. Taking responsibility for one's words and deeds can be applied to varying degress but it can never be discounted. Either you do or you don't.
Frank;"Christian ideology remains the same. Unless, of course; you are a non-believer, Allen".
Wrong Frank, the ideology is not the same as it was 100 or 1000 years ago. And no, I am not a Christian, yet I wouldn't say I am a "non-believer."
I do believe I see where you might be misinterpreting what I am saying.
First off, I understand that adherence to the Holy Bible recognizes that there is no change in the way humankind is seen by "God." But, as I stated earlier, the Bible is a document, a "BOOK." Therefore, you would be absolutely correct to say (and believe) that "Christian doctrine" or "Christian dogma or canon" does not change.
However, IDEOLOGY is formed by "human belief's and human interpretation", which are subject to what Christians call "free will."
Perhaps the misinterpretation is a matter of semantics at play. Granted that "ideology" and "doctrine" can be related terms, yet there is a specific application for each of the terms.
Here's a Wikipedia entry which reflects a similar view of the term Ideology. Normally I'm not a "huge" fan of Wiki entries, but the author of this one seems to capture the scope of the term.
And I quote from the entry;
"The main purpose behind an ideology is to offer change in society, and adherence to a set of ideals where conformity already exists, through a normative thought process".
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