Monday, May 17, 2010

Governor Sarah Palin and Governor Jane Brewer set the record straight on Arizona's Illegal Immigration law.

Sarah Palin was in Arizona yesterday to give support to Governor Jane Brewer and to expose the critics of the new Arizona Illegal Immigration Enforcement law as people who are reacting off of emotion and not fact. This is why Sarah Palin and Jane Brewer have more credibility on this issue then Barack Obama, Eric Holder and their puppies in the media and other open border supporters. Sarah was a governor and Jane is a governor. Barack Obama was never a governor. I've noticed that the liberal pundits and the liberal chattering class can't explain why the nation supports the Arizona law. It would be extremely interesting to witness a national debate between Barack Obama and Sarah Palin on the issue of Illegal Immigration. For a person who is heralded as being a dunce by the left, Sarah seems to be very sharp on understanding the impact that Illegal Immigration has on a state and it's people.


Watch CBS News Videos Online

This is an ad that was paid for by Governor Brewer. She's a part of an organization called "Secure the Border". I respect Ms. Brewer for going on the offensive in communicating the facts that the media refuses to do for obvious reasons.. This ad is very powerful, because it is factual and really can't be disputed by the open border crowd.

Newsweek last year created a cover page for their magazine with the title saying "We all are socialists now". That of course is a much of a lie then anything a liberal could say. With the majority of Americans supporting Governor Brewer's new Illegal Immigration Enforcement law, it's more like "We are all Arizonians now" instead, and I wouldn't have it any other way.



19 Comments:

Blogger p. anthony allen said...

CB;"For a person who is heralded as being a dunce by the left, Sarah seems to be very sharp on understanding the impact that Illegal Immigration has on a state and it's people".

Very sharp on what??? You think that scripted speech she read from the TelePrompter's (the ones right in front of her) was sharp?? She simply regurgitated the same lines touted by the right-wing blogs, and right-wing media types. She probably didn't write a word, nor can she remember one word she read!!

Simple fact is that the law places a target on all Mexican and Hispanics. So how can you tell an illegal Mexican from a legal one? The answer is, by demanding that all of them show their legal documents!

3:53 PM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

Two very simplistic questions for you allen.

1. Did you read the Arizonian Law? YES OR NO

2. Is the law a mirror of the Federal Illegal Immigration Law?
YES OR NO

1:02 PM  
Blogger Sojournerlove said...

I think the open border crowd should be better known as the subversive brigade! Jane Brewer should run for president if Sarah Palin won't! Go ladies. It seems Liberals have no respect for the Law and they believe in winning by any means necessary. The open borders movement is all about buying votes! The Left doesn't care about illegal immigrants. I think those who come here illegally and have the nerve to wave Mexican Flags should take their country back instead of running from their problems!

1:04 PM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

CB;"1. Did you read the Arizonian Law? YES OR NO"

YES!

CB;"2. Is the law a mirror of the Federal Illegal Immigration Law?
YES OR NO"

NO....not in it's entirety!

Show me an Article, Act or Passage in U.S. Immigration Law that "mirrors" allowing a state or local police office to demand proof of citizenship from a person for "reasonable suspicion" that the person is an illegal alien.

3:47 PM  
Blogger GregGVDC said...

As a former police officer, I cant understand this crazy attempt to label this a racial profile issue.

Let me break this down to those that assume the worst about the enforcement. First, probable cause must be obtained prior to making any attempted detainment. Simply stated, before I can detain you for questioning, or cite you for a violation of the law, I must have either probable cause or be in direct witness to a violation. You run a stop sign, I pull you over, I advise you that a law was broken, I request a drivers license, and any other documents, issue or warn in reference to the law broken, release the violator.

How is this racial?

Law Enforcement cannot just tap dance up to people and ID them unless they have reasonable cause.
If reasonable cause is present, ID is requested, no proof of ID is given, records are checked to prove no ID, the enforcement has to identify the subject by means including citizenship. If the subject is not a authorized to be in the country legally, then they have committed a CRIME!
I love liberals who have such disdain for law enforcement and assume they are all sittin at donut shops waiting for a non white person to violate the rights on.
There is a little thing called REOP, reasonable expectation of privacy, IT DOES NOT APPLY TO CRIMINALS AFTER THE FACT!
How is breaking a law placing a target on Hispanics? its not against the law to be hispanic! its against the law to be here un lawfully. Just like its against the law to steal, rape, kill, and ect. There is reasons for laws, without law you have kaos. Laws are not written to punish a peticular racial group, thats the Liberal perception and not reality.
If it were up to Liberals, there would be only enforcement on white, heterosexual, married, middle and upper class men. After all, they are the oppressor right?
The race argument is as always, worn out, and used as a distraction from the facts, or used to place a guilt trip on someone who disagrees.

This is like a man comming into your house and stealing everything you have, and some bleeding heart saying its racist to arrest him.
PLEEEEEEAAAAAASSSSSEEE.

4:15 PM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

Greg;"As a former police officer, I cant understand this crazy attempt to label this a racial profile issue".

You can't understand?? I'll explain...

It's difficult to understand something when you deny the facts.

Does the law "specifically" single out Mexicans or Latino's? No, it does not. Is there mention of any race in the law. No, there is not.

So there's absolutely no racial profiling written into the law! That's well and fine, however, the real world just don't work that way.

Many conservative pundits believe that racially profiling is necessary. As Ann Coulter put's it; "When there's a one hundred percent chance, it ceases to be a profile. It's called a description of the suspect".

What is the typical physical desrcription of an illeagal alien in Arizona? White male, blond hair about 30-65 years of age? Get real...

10:29 AM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

Sojournerlove "I think the open border crowd should be better known as the subversive brigade! Jane Brewer should run for president if Sarah Palin won't! Go ladies. It seems Liberals have no respect for the Law and they believe in winning by any means necessary. The open borders movement is all about buying votes! The Left doesn't care about illegal immigrants. I think those who come here illegally and have the nerve to wave Mexican Flags should take their country back instead of running from their problems!"

I would love to see Jane Brewer run for President. Actually it would be the perfect fake out against the left. They have spend all their time and effort trying to destroy Sarah Palin. It would be very hard for the media to go after Jane Brewer knowing that see signed into law in her state a piece of legislation that the majority of Americans support. I don't think Jane will run, but time will tell. You said it Sojournerlove, liberals could give a rats ass about illegals. Illegals are merely a tool to be exploited just like they have used blacks to promote their own agenda. We've heard by liberals how illegals "pick our fruits", "clean our hotel rooms" etc. If liberals truly cared about illegal, they would support them going home, then coming back in the right way, assimilate into the country, learn English and be more in life the just lettuce pickers. The left would never suggest that though. All liberals want is that vote, That's all they care about.

p allen "Show me an Article, Act or Passage in U.S. Immigration Law that "mirrors" allowing a state or local police office to demand proof of citizenship from a person for "reasonable suspicion" that the person is an illegal alien."

Show me in the Arizonan law where is states that law enforcement can ask for immigration papers for any reason allen. The Arizonian laws states that a person's immigration status can only be brought up if a suspect is detained for committing a crime. With that provision in place, the whole racial profiling scare tactic goes bye bye right out the window.

1:48 AM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

p allen "So there's absolutely no racial profiling written into the law! That's well and fine, however, the real world just don't work that way."

In the real world, is it written in the law? The problem allen isn't with the Arizonian law, the problem is with you and other racial paranoid leftist. You see racism through ever prism, and for people like you, it just has to exist with the is new law. I still have yet to hear liberals speak out against the law bidding citizens being killed in Arizona by illegals. Do you believe that Mexico's immigration law is "racist" allen"? Does Mexico's law "racially profile" allen? Feel free to answer.

GregGVDC "Law Enforcement cannot just tap dance up to people and ID them unless they have reasonable cause.
If reasonable cause is present, ID is requested, no proof of ID is given, records are checked to prove no ID, the enforcement has to identify the subject by means including citizenship."

Well Greg, Allen apparentely lives in the real world and the borht of us must be living in make believe land or something. He believes that there is no way law enforcement will follow the law to the letter, and they will be the evil rotten law enforcement bigots that Allen believes them to be. I know from real world experience that police officers always ask for "LICENSE AND REGISTRATION" after pulling over a suspect. Yes, they take the license and check the computer to validate the information. Illegals aren't suppose to be able to get driver licenses. They normally get fake licenses. If a Arizonian cop pulls over an illegal for a traffic violation, the cop will ask for identification. If the illegal doesn't have an identification or it turns out that his license is a fake, then our course a red flag is going to go up. Most Illegals don't have auto insurance, because they don't have a valid driver's license. So they won't have a registration card in the car. These are the facts that the racial profiling fear mongering crowd don't want to acknowledge. The left aren't big fans of law enforcement to begin with so it is only natural for them to bring the racial profiling card into play.

2:01 AM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

CB;"Show me in the Arizonan law where is states that law enforcement can ask for immigration papers for any reason allen".

B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).

Put plainly; Any Law Enforcement Official in the state of Arizona can make "lawful" contact with a person (ie., traffic stop, crime investigation, suspicious activity, loitering, arguing in public with your spouse, jay-walking, walking your dog without a leash or license, etc...).

The law states, a "reasonable suspicion" that the person is in the country illegally. First off, with concerns to the legal citizenship of a person, what criteria does a law enforcement official use to define "reasonable suspicion"? Particularly in Arizona?? "Reasonable suspicion" can occur for any reason, so for any reason you can be asked to prove you are a citizen!!

Reasonably, "a person" of what race would more than likely to be an illegal immigrant in Arizona?? A White person with a southern accent, or a Latino person who barely speaks English?

I'm a White man walking my dog in my jogging pants, and I left my wallet at home. Nature calls, and I'm taking a leak behind a tree. A cop sees me and makes legal contact. Is there "reasonable suspicion" to check my citizenship because I have no I.D. on my person?

I'm a Mexican who speaks little English. I carry my work I.D. from the chicken processing plant with me all the time. A Law Enforcement Officer stops me on a rural road for hitchhiking. Is there "reasonable suspicion" to check my citizenship?

Watch out on how you answer those questions.

11:37 AM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

CB:"Illegals aren't suppose to be able to get driver licenses. They normally get fake licenses. If a Arizonian cop pulls over an illegal for a traffic violation, the cop will ask for identification".

Laughable...

Do you think an illegal obtains a "fake I.D." or a fake drivers license to get into R-rated movies and to fool the clerk at the local liquor store???

I'd be willing to bet you that many of the illegals have relatives who "are" U.S. citizens. Some of those relatives could be employed by (possibly managers or supervisors) the DMV or other state agencies. Some might consider it a worthy risk to falsely legitimize their illegal relatives and the children of their relatives.

3:08 PM  
Blogger GregGVDC said...

Allen said-So there's absolutely no racial profiling written into the law! That's well and fine, however, the real world just don't work that way.

So the assumption on the left is that this is indeed a racial profile issue, and also lets assume that from your comments that you feel law enforcement are free agents, bigots and worthless donut eaters, whom love this oppertunity now to crack some minority heads (this is based on your vision of the "real world").

Allen said-Many conservative pundits believe that racially profiling is necessary. As Ann Coulter put's it; "When there's a one hundred percent chance, it ceases to be a profile. It's called a description of the suspect".

Wow allen, I forgot that 99% percent of law enforcement are regular subcribers to Ann Coulters web site. News flash Allen, 68% of Arizona Law Enforcement are non white in whole or part. So much for the evil white man with the badge doing the duty! I dont recall these Pundits funding any legal coffers to support the law enforcement officers whom get sued for negligence in a civil matter either. But hey, thats the real world!

Allen said- What is the typical physical desrcription of an illeagal alien in Arizona? White male, blond hair about 30-65 years of age? Get real...

The discription would fit anyone that was discovered through probable cause to lack the proper documents to be in this country Allen. Again, you are using this racial profile theory as your evidence, and it does not sell, in my "real world". Perception is not always reality, so let me leave you with some thoughts, to perceive that all muslims want to blow up something is not rational or truthfull, the same could be said about law enforcement, to perceive that all cops use PC after they have profiled a subject, is not rational or truthfull.

Allen said-So how can you tell an illegal Mexican from a legal one? The answer is, by demanding that all of them show their legal documents!

Have you ever been pulled over by a police officer Allen? More than likely the officer asked you for your IDENTIFICATION! Why do they do this Allen? So they can feel powerful? So they can violate you? So they can make sure your the proper voting party? Please expand on this! Try to use real experience and not what you feel they would do, we already know from your percieved disdain for law enforcement, that they only ID you to carbon copy what the Nazi's would do.

3:36 PM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

CB;"The problem allen isn't with the Arizonian law, the problem is with you and other racial paranoid leftist".

Man o' man... that conservative garble sure does have you by the nose.

Let me ask you again. Who do you think that law targets Tyrone? You say "illegal aliens" ...right? So what is the nationality of 99% of the illegal aliens in Arizona?

In Arizona, Mexicans are flowing across the border, like young girls flocking to a Jonas Brother's concert!

How is it that you buy into, (and follow the mentors instructions) profiling Arab men on airliners? The passenger search procedures applies to "EVERYONE" who fly's on a commercial plane. Yet your "mentors" Limbaugh, Coulter, Malkin and Savage all have stated why search babies, little old women, etc... before they board planes. In the video clip you posted, Coulter openly calls for profiling!

When you've said to me; "it's Muslims that are blowing themselves up and attacking Americans", I never denied your statement... because it's a fact. Thus, how can you realize it's "Muslims" committing violent atrocities and agree that profiling is okay, yet not realize that Arizona illegals are Mexican and profiling is not, or should not be a factor???

It's illegal MEXICANS that are coming for the low-wage jobs in Arizona...NOT BLACK PEOPLE, NOT KOREANS, NOT CHINESE, NOT EUROPEANS!!!

9:59 AM  
Blogger GregGVDC said...

Allen responding to CB said-CB;"Show me in the Arizonan law where is states that law enforcement can ask for immigration papers for any reason allen".

B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).

Reasonable Suspicion-When an officer cannot identify the subject without documentation, he then has reasonable suspicion that the subject does not have these records due to several indicators, being a non citizen to be one of those indicators.

Lawfull Contact-When an officer witnessed, or has probable cause to detain a subject, when the subject has violated a law. THIS MEANS THAT HE HAS TO HAVE PC BEFORE EVEN STOPING THE SUBJECT FOR QUESTIONING!
Is it or is it not reasonable for one to believe that a subject that cannot be identified through record checks, personal ID, or any other form to be here unlawfully?

Allen, you are taking the Reasonable Suspicion clause and turning it into a profiling issue, which is just assnine.

Every American citizen has whats known as REOP, Resonable expectation of privacy. This protects the citizen from unlawful detainment, unlawful search and seizure, and detainment without probable cause. Do some officers disregard this rule, yes. Do most officers abide by this, yes. You cant assume that all officers now have the green light to profile, its not truthful.

11:48 AM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

Greg, I have no disdain for Law Enforcement nor it's officials.

I am NOT a "blame or hate whitey, anti-law enforcement, black militant, ghetto loving, baby's daddy, hoe having, hip-hopping, Sharpton/Jackson following, liberal Democrat voting, socialist, communist, leftest, statist, lazy, nigger or nigga", as some conservatives attempt to portray as the average black man... Please don't get the illusion (that I am in any way the above stated) from the statements I make here.

I have disdain for Arizona Law Senate Bill 1070, because I believe it is misguided and has the potential for abuse. Hell, I could be wrong, but that's something that "we both" must wait to find out.

Greg;"Wow allen, I forgot that 99% percent of law enforcement are regular subcribers to Ann Coulters web site".

Wow Greg, I didn't know that they did! Oh well, since you think that they do I'm proven right!! So, according to you, Ann Coulter and "99 percent of Law Enforcement" (albeit an attempt at sarcasm), the cops in Arizona are going to round up Mexicans like carraling cattle into a pen! YEE-HAAAAHH!

Coulters on racial profiling; "It was FBI headquarters that rebuffed Rowley's callous insensitivity to Muslims, refused to engage in racial profiling, denied a warrant request to search Moussaoui's computer, and thus failed to uncover the Sept. 11 plot".

1:47 PM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

In actuality, Coulter is a political pundit. As we both know, she sell "a lot" of books. You might think that Law Enforcement types don't read, or might not even know who she is. However, I beg to differ.

There are plenty of "right-wing" minded individuals who read, and agree with Coulter, including those in Law Enforcement.

Tyrone is also one who agrees with Coulters views, as well many other right-wing pundits.

Here's the rub... The onus of this Arizona law completely rests with the conservatives and the right-wing. While the focus should be on a legitimate problem and issue (illegal immigration) both sides (right and left) has allowed "race" to take the forefront.

Conservatives bear the onus primarily because of the stance most have taken on the profiling of Muslims. Those on the "Right" claim it "Muslims" who perpetrate the terrorist acts. The "Left" claims terror acts have been perpetrated by home grown Americans also. Guess what?? Both are correct!

However, this debate over the new Arizona state law allows the exact same question to be asked. The fact is that 99% of the illegals in Arizona are Mexican. Thus the questions should be asked... Is this racial profiling? Yes, the law does apply to "all illegals", but who and what race are the illegals in Arizona?

Greg;"Have you ever been pulled over by a police officer Allen? Please expand on this! Try to use real experience and not what you feel they would do".

Yes I have. But I've never been asked by police to prove that I am a citizen of the U.S., even when I didn't have identification. So whats your point?

3:09 PM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

p allen "I have disdain for Arizona Law Senate Bill 1070, because I believe it is misguided and has the potential for abuse. Hell, I could be wrong, but that's something that "we both" must wait to find out."

Wow, did Obama give you some talking points allen? Obama is the one who orginally claimed the law was "misguided". So the concept of trying to protect the citizens in Arizona is "misguided" allen? If the law is so "misguided" why doe the bill have the support of the majority of Americans? Maybe what the minority in our country consider "misguided" is in turn "common sense law" to the majority.Like I said before allen, all you leftists care about is how illegals will be treated. I have yet to hear a liberal voice concern over the legal residents of Arizona who have to live in fear on a daily basis thanks to the illegals flooding across the border. Good luck waiting for a liberal to comment on the Arizona rancher who was shot by an illegal. Once again the left is on the WRONG SIDE of a major social issue.

1:36 AM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

p allen " In actuality, Coulter is a political pundit. As we both know, she sell "a lot" of books. You might think that Law Enforcement types don't read, or might not even know who she is. However, I beg to differ. "

To bad there is nobody on the left who can sell books at a rate similar to Coulter. Even though Coulter write books and is a poltical pundit, it doesn't take away from her being right on the illegal immigration enforcement issue allen. You can try and discredit the messenger all you like, you can't discredit the message however.

p allen "Here's the rub... The onus of this Arizona law completely rests with the conservatives and the right-wing. While the focus should be on a legitimate problem and issue (illegal immigration) both sides (right and left) has allowed "race" to take the forefront."

Well then allen. I guess "WE ARE ALL RIGHT WINGERS NOW". That being the nation, because the majority of our citizens stand in full support of the Arizona law. Then again, I did state last year that the Gallup Poll showed the the majority of Americans identify themselves as being "CONSERVATIVE over liberal by a 2 to 1 margin. So it really doesn't come as no surprise that most Americans support the Arizona law. Also allen, it is the left who keeps making this about "RACE". That's all you liberals can do. We all know that defending what you all claim to support is a non starter. lol

1:43 AM  
Blogger GregGVDC said...

Allen said-Yes I have. But I've never been asked by police to prove that I am a citizen of the U.S., even when I didn't have identification. So whats your point?

Were you cited for driving without a drivers license? Nice try! You were trying to put the flip on the identification issue, Im not buying.

Allen then lost his mind and said-I am NOT a "blame or hate whitey, anti-law enforcement, black militant, ghetto loving, baby's daddy, hoe having, hip-hopping, Sharpton/Jackson following, liberal Democrat voting, socialist, communist, leftest, statist, lazy, nigger or nigga", as some conservatives attempt to portray as the average black man... Please don't get the illusion (that I am in any way the above stated) from the statements I make here.

Tell me when and where I have said these things about you personally? Show me where I have said these things about anyone! Other than the Liberal, Socialist, and communist labels, which only apply to most lefties.
AS for the pimp, hoes, ghettos, and all the other hip hop labels you went through, I have to disagree with you even more so. Those myths are only that, myths. I dont base my opinions on rap music and its negative portrayal of people. It may be so for a very small percentage, but Allen, there are whites, hispanics, asians, and other races is you will with economic, moral, and self victimization.
Even living LA most of my life I never saw this majority. I dont buy the thug life personna, and I know you dont. I can say we agree that the label placed as you stated is incorrect, but dont make the assumtption that this is a view ALL conservatives share.

11:52 AM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

Greg;"Were you cited for driving without a drivers license? Nice try! You were trying to put the flip on the identification issue, Im not buying".

Greg, if I wanted to tell a lie on a blog, I would try to be a bit more creative... something like ahhh... "I fly all over the world in my personal lear jet, and blog while vacationing in the south of France..."

And yes, I once was pulled over "WHILE DRIVING" (which you did not indicate) and did recieve a ticket for not having my license on my person.

I have also been approached by police "many times", as a teenager and young adult. At times while walking, standing, or sitting on my own front porch! In the so-called "urban setting" incounters with police is routine (if you know what I mean by, "urban setting").

Greg:"Tell me when and where I have said these things about you personally? Show me where I have said these things about anyone!".

I never said that you (personally) did... Although I did say, "as SOME conservatives attempt to portray as the average black man...

However, you DID SAY; "we already know from your percieved disdain for law enforcement".

My percieved disdain??? Again, I have no disdain for Law Enforcement. I have a brother, two cousins, neighbors and a very close friend who are in Law Enforcement. A percieved or assume disdain for Law Enforcefent on your part or mine, is an invalid and incorrect assumption...

But, what if I told you that I do dispise Law Enforcement? What if I told you, "as a Black Man, I hate the police?" What would you think of me then? Would you then put me in the, "black militant, whitey hatin', hip-hoppin', welfare hoe lovin', baby daddy, etc..., catagory?

In some conservative circles that's exactly the catogory I would be placed in.

However, I did NOT mean to imply that you thought that way! Absolutely not! You did not say those things...I did, but only as to ask that no one assume that I was some kind of "low-life." Often the conclusion is drawn that the person making such a statement is a "low-life."

11:44 AM  

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