Witness a case of "stand your ground" but in reverse.
You've heard and read about this stand your ground shooting in Arizona reported by the national media right? I'm sure ABC News, CBS News, NBC News, CNN, MSNBC, the Washington Post, the New York Times and every other national media outlet will be covering this story soon if you haven't, cough. There is a reason why they won't report this, and thus the rest of the nation will never know about it. I will let you watch and see if you can come to the conclusion I did.
One a side note, Maybe they'll be a "million leashes march" or something just like the "million skittle march" perhaps? I doubt it. So a mentally handicapped young man walking his dog was shot, the shooter was in his car and claimed he was acting in self defense, yet he wasn't arrested. A weaponless victim and a shooter claiming the stand your ground law as his defense. I would say this is Deja Vu all over again except for several things. The races of the victim and suspect are backwards, and there is no national outrage over this like there is for what happened in Sanford Florida. I'm I on to something or is it just my imagination? Oh yeah, there has been a lot of heated rhetoric aimed against Stand Your Ground laws by progressive Democrats over the past few weeks because of the Trayvon Martin shooting. I thought I would mention the fact that the Arizona Stand Your Ground law was signed into law by former Arizona Governor Janet Napolitano who is Barack Obama's Secretary of Homeland Security.
One a side note, Maybe they'll be a "million leashes march" or something just like the "million skittle march" perhaps? I doubt it. So a mentally handicapped young man walking his dog was shot, the shooter was in his car and claimed he was acting in self defense, yet he wasn't arrested. A weaponless victim and a shooter claiming the stand your ground law as his defense. I would say this is Deja Vu all over again except for several things. The races of the victim and suspect are backwards, and there is no national outrage over this like there is for what happened in Sanford Florida. I'm I on to something or is it just my imagination? Oh yeah, there has been a lot of heated rhetoric aimed against Stand Your Ground laws by progressive Democrats over the past few weeks because of the Trayvon Martin shooting. I thought I would mention the fact that the Arizona Stand Your Ground law was signed into law by former Arizona Governor Janet Napolitano who is Barack Obama's Secretary of Homeland Security.
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 5:25 PM
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What's the difference between this case and the Martin/Zimmerman case.
After Zimmerman shot Martin, he was taken to the police station for questioning. In the video he was escorted in handcuffs. The Phoenix police did not take the shooter to the police station.
CB-"The shooter was in his car and claimed he was acting in self defense"
So, the victim was angry and upset for the driver to almost hit him and swung his fist two times. What was he going to do next, sick his dog on him?
If this gets out to the national audience, would Al Sharpton come to the shooter's defense or the victim's? My money is on the shooter. I would love to see what excuses he would have for this guy.
I'm pretty sure justice will prevail. The one of the reason why this has not become a national issue because story worthy and politically correct, and the wrong (white) race was shot.
Whats "reverse" about an unarmed person being shot down?
You all seem to believe that a "race war" can result from these idiotic episodes. What you don't see, are the force's that are playing us all for idiots! The "Stand Your Ground Law" is what's at fault here. There are people who are realizing that there are distinct opportunities to utilize this law.
From Newsreview.
"Since the law was passed, over the objections of prosecutors and police associations, the number of “justifiable homicides” in Florida has tripled. Last week, according to an article by William Finnegan in The New Yorker, the state attorney in Tallahassee, Willie Meggs, told the Tampa Bay Times, “The consequences of this law have been devastating around the state. It’s almost insane what we have to deal with.” Gang members, drug dealers and road-rage killers are all successfully invoking Stand Your Ground, he said".
As this law begins to make it's way into the American psyche, the ideal outcome of a disagreement will become, who can draw their weapon the fastest. Now ask yourself, who benefits from the average American with a gun with "any excuse to stand his ground?"
Take a wild guess......
Anon;"If this gets out to the national audience, would Al Sharpton come to the shooter's defense or the victim's?".
Again, I'm not a fan of Sharpton and his self aggrandizing tactics. Yet I have to interject two key points.
1. Sharpton's National Action Network was asked to join in the case by the Martins and their lawyers.
2. Once Sharpton showed up the media followed, which help the Martins to have the case reviewed after they were told Zimmerman was not going to be arrested.
I don't know if Daniel Atkins relatives would consult with Sharpton. However, knowing Sharptons thirst for the limelight, I'd bet if asked by the family he would more than happy to march and pose for the camera's throughout Arizona.
Sorry, I have an unrelated question for the owner of the blog.
When I look at this website 90% of the time there is a video of the LA Riots in every post. Is this an error with my browser or is this intentional? I've tried deleting my cache and reinstalling flash but it's all the same.
Thanks.
Hey Allen, I love your 'referenced' material. A blog type sites contributed story written by 'some dude' who must be a split personality. The first paragraph he starts out by saying "..I don’t know what actually happened.." (speaking in reference to the Trayvon shooting) but then says "..And yet Zimmerman—the aggressor in this situation.."
WELL WHICH ONE IS IT DUMBASS !?!? You either don't know or you have some secret god-like vision which allowed you to see that Zimmerman was the "aggressor"
Its self styled journalists like this that really torque me. Contradictory statements, etc.. And then others with grab ahold of their stories and use THEM as reference ! Laughable if not so sad.
The best part of his 'story' was the one (at time of reading) comment. I'll put it here since its better written, IMO, than what it was commenting on.
"You know nothing. None of us do. Your speculation of the unfortunate events that transpired do nothing but fan flames of racial hatred. You clearly know that Zimmerman is of hispanic decent, yet you create a black/white profile scenario. Starting your SYGL topic with racial steering and profiling is juvenile, immature and worthy only of sensationalist tabloid journalism. Your words reflect the sad state and downword spiral of journalistic integrity and values. "
BAM!! That was a zinger, and a well aimed one to boot. But lets get to this statistic thats being decried.
"...Since the law was passed, over the objections of prosecutors and police associations, the number of “justifiable homicides” in Florida has tripled..."
Damn, that does sound like alot. How many thousands of those are there per year ? Hundreds ?
Lets try an average of 36. Thirty six per year from a before law average of 12. So we're looking at 24 shootings per year that are considered justified. Yet if you read the originally refered story you would think its a tidal wave of blood in Florida. Here's a line quoting FSA Willie Meggs from the New Yorker story that was originally referenced.
"..“The consequences of the law have been devastating around the state. It’s almost insane what we are having to deal with.”
Twenty four more justifiable cases out of the tens of thousands of cases of real gun violence is considered insane ? Who is this Meggs guy ?
Could this be the same Meggs that another website has claimed is suffering from dementia? http://tallahasseeo.com/tag/florida-state-attorney/ and that has been accussed of being a racist ??? http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/Commissioner_Bill_Proctor_Asks_Governor_and_State_Legislature_to_Review_State_Attorney_Willie_Meggs_140096983.html
Man I love using the web as a reference !
Seems this Meggs guy that allen quoted in his original post is an insane racists who jails blacks at a 10 to 1 ratio over whites. Hell, there may be a story there to look at!
But seriously. Twenty four doesn't meet the "insane" level in my book. Not when compared to the tens of thousands of 'real' crimes that get committed each year in Florida.
"Always stand on principle, even if you stand alone."
John Quincy Adams
In his name "Sorry, I have an unrelated question for the owner of the blog.
When I look at this website 90% of the time there is a video of the LA Riots in every post. Is this an error with my browser or is this intentional? I've tried deleting my cache and reinstalling flash but it's all the same.
Thanks"
It's something in you browser, I've only posted the LA Riot video once in a post a few weeks ago.
anon "
After Zimmerman shot Martin, he was taken to the police station for questioning. In the video he was escorted in handcuffs. The Phoenix police did not take the shooter to the police station."
Exactly. I predict if the guy who was in the car who shot that guy walking his dog isn't charged within the next 10 days, the new media is going to take this story national. I believe it's totally justified for them to do so. Fair is fair, and that is the way it should always be.
anon "So, the victim was angry and upset for the driver to almost hit him and swung his fist two times. What was he going to do next, sick his dog on him?"
lol, unless his lab could transform into a vicious pitbull, I doubt it. The driver said that he thought the guy was carrying a baseball bat or a pipe. I mean come on, what person walks their dog carrying a baseball bat or a pipe?
anon "If this gets out to the national audience, would Al Sharpton come to the shooter's defense or the victim's? My money is on the shooter. I would love to see what excuses he would have for this guy."
The excuse is that shooter had a flashback to the days of Jim Crow and remembered police dogs attacking black people when he shot the guy. Nah, even that excuse is beyond far fetched. I don't believe even Sharpton and the other race pimps can save the shooter's butt on this.
anon "I'm pretty sure justice will prevail. The one of the reason why this has not become a national issue because story worthy and politically correct, and the wrong (white) race was shot."
If Fox News picks up on this story and runs with it, other will be forced to start carrying it. It won't get the national sensationalism as the Martin shooting, but it will force action to be taken against the shooter of that guy in Arizona, and in the end that is all that is needed.
Times have changed. In the 1950s white gangs were attacking blacks, and most crimes went unreported because police favored the whites.
Since the 1968 race riots, black gangs have been attacking whites, and most crimes go unreported because the legal system favors the blacks. This is the reality of today.
Then what explains the Trayvon outrage? It makes blacks seem like Nazis' response to the occasional jew that fights back and kills a German: We'll kill a hundred jews for for every German killed. The irony is Germans were already killing jews like blacks are already attacking, maiming and killing whites.
Trayvon's mom doesn't want any revenge. Too late. There've already been revenge attacks all over the country in addition to the routine attacks. But since modern society finds black on white crime acceptable and just, there's no outrage.
Anon;"Hey Allen, I love your 'referenced' material. A blog type sites contributed story written by 'some dude' who must be a split personality".
Oh well, that's your opinion. I'm an avid reader of NewsReview.com. I've read several articles written by Speer. I have no problem with him.
However, that's not the point. The quote I posted was initially printed in the New Yorker. In business since 1925, it just happens that they are not only an "on-line" magazine, the also have a little over one million copies circulated annually.
Anon;"The first paragraph he starts out by saying "..I don’t know what actually happened. but then says "..And yet Zimmerman—the aggressor in this situation..".
No one really knows what happened except George Zimmerman. Since we all have heard (from Zimmerman's surrogates) that he was attacked by Trayvon, the question is, do you believe him (or the explanation given by his surrogate, who by the way are his "defenders").
Personally, I'm going to go by what I heard on the 911 tape. That is that Zimmerman was following Trayvon. Now if you wish to believe that Trayvon turned the table and attacked Zimmerman, that's your personal bias. There is no recording of Trayvon saying that he was turning on Zimmerman. There is no recording of Trayvon saying he was following Zimmerman. Nothing Trayvon did that night during the altercation can be challenged by him because he is DEAD!
If you believe the word of a man facing 20 years to life in prison, over what you "DON'T REALLY KNOW", you're no different that what you claim Robert Speer is.
Anon;"Seems this Meggs guy that allen quoted in his original post is an insane racists who jails blacks at a 10 to 1 ratio over whites. Hell, there may be a story there to look at!".
Who knows, Meggs could very well be an "insane racist." Hell, I don't know him or anything about him. All I've done is shown a quote where he believes drug dealers and gang members are invoking the law. It very well might be that he wants to put black gang bangers and black drug dealers in jail, but the Stand Your Ground Law is preventing him from exercising his racist ways.
You might be on to something there anon. If there's one racist in the states attorneys office, perhaps there's more. State Attorney Norm Wolfinger originally refused to charge Zimmerman. He could very well be an insane racist also. Black boy shot dead in a mostly white gated community. Sounds like a case for racism also... You think that Meggs and Wolfinger could be of the same ilk?
Anon;"But seriously. Twenty four doesn't meet the "insane" level in my book. Not when compared to the tens of thousands of 'real' crimes that get committed each year in Florida".
Twenty four additional gun deaths doesn't matter? So how many more would you "like" to see? Fifty...A hundred? Five hundred?
It sounds like you have a "solution in search of a problem!" We're not talking about a "decrease" in the number of deaths. This is about an "increase" in the number of deaths. This is what the legal type in Florida are saying about SYG.
Sorry, but I must be one of those bleeding heart types who believes that "ONE" insane stand your ground death is too many.
Blair;"and most crimes go unreported because the legal system favors the blacks. This is the reality of today'.
How stupid can you be?
In 2010 black non-Hispanic males were incarcerated at the rate of 4,347 inmates per 100,000 U.S. residents
Hispanic males were incarcerated at the rate of 1,755 inmates per 100,000 U.S. residents
White males were incarcerated at the rate of 678 inmates per 100,000 U.S. residents.
U.S. Department of Justice.
Of course, myself being a black man, I'm not hardly proud to display the sad statistics. But for you to claim that "the legal system favors the blacks" is totally and utterly ridiculous!
Wait...I can't believe the crap you're spewing here dude. Post a link showing where whites are being "attacked all over the country." Nazi and Jewish references? Where's is this happening dude?
I think Blair has an ulterior motive. Has that "Negro" president got under your skin Blair? You're trying hard to incite something. But just like the New Black Panthers, you just can't seem to get it going. Blair, no one believes your crap. Just as no one believes or is falling for the Panthers insanity.
I've never seen a panther demonstration with no more protesters that the Westboro Baptist Church group. I guess you'd have folks think that the Westboro Church was holding thousands of demonstrations all over the country every day!
At least the panthers openly show their true colors. Racist whites like yourself like to hide behinds piles of lies and innuendo. If you want to stay under cover, you shouldn't cast lies that are so easy to disprove.
I can see the writing on the wall...What's wrong is white and what's white is wrong. I wonder how the "new kkk" will deal with these issues?
Blair "
Trayvon's mom doesn't want any revenge. Too late. There've already been revenge attacks all over the country in addition to the routine attacks. But since modern society finds black on white crime acceptable and just, there's no outrage."
Emotionally charged issues makes people act out in unstable in violent ways. To the national media and even some at the local level. Racism only exists when the attackers are white and the victim black. I will be so glad when the day comes that racists attacks are treated equally with outrage and condemnation.
"...Twenty four additional gun deaths doesn't matter? So how many more would you "like" to see? Fifty...A hundred? Five hundred?..."
Aleen, allen, allen... These aren't additional, they are just reclassified. To start speculating that SYG causes more deaths, welll...you then have to speculate about crimes that went UNcommitted because someone was able to produce a firearm and the would be criminal got a case of the smarts.
I wonder if maybe if Mr Zimmerman had first produced his firearm and announced such, prehaps a moment of clarity would have entered Trayvons head instead of the end result we see today.
I know from my own personal experience as well as close friends that a unholstered pistol is like a BUCKET of ice water on would be assaulters and other criminally intented individuals. Its when the gun has to be produced during an altercation that things tend to go south, quickly.
"Always stand on principle, even if you stand alone."
John Quincy Adams
Anon;"These aren't additional, they are just reclassified".
Oh, pardon me. I meant to say "additional senseless deaths."
People should not be able to end a fight by killing the other person. The SYG law is so vague that it allows just that, and certain forms of vigilantism. Here's the part that's most troubling;
Florida Statutes- JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE.
776.012 Use of force in defense of person.
However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony.
Many professionals within the legal system in Florida are questioning who is, and how the law is being used. The key phrase in the law is;
"He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary"
That idea is what causes the ambiguity. Is one persons "reasonable beliefs" the same as another? And what actions would create "reasonable belief" that deadly force is necessary? Could reasonable belief for deadly force be applied if you're losing a fight...that you started?
Lets say the person you shot during the fight didn't die. Wouldn't it be reasonable to believe that he, or his family members, would be out for revenge? Running into him or a family member on the street could trigger a "reasonable belief" of bodily harm. Under the law you could legally kill them all!
Perhaps you're one of those who thinks that the shooter has the "right", and therefore should be left alone. Okay, lets say he does. Both persons live in the same state under the same laws, both just happen to show up at the same place a second time. However, this time the once wounded person has that same "reasonable belief." Lets just say that there's a "reasonable belief" there's going to be a shoot out.
Again I'm going to ask, how many additional senseless deaths (counting the 24 we've already agreed on) are you willing to concede to this law? How many more before the it reaches your level of "insanity?"
allen, why do you even post your nonsense ?
If the world operated like you are trying to say, and shooting vic sutvivors, etc.. family members are all of a sudden going to turn into revenge seeking vigilantes, well.....WE WOULD SEE IT HAPPENING!
Gun violence deaths aren't going thru the roof. State after state shows declining violent crime rates ESPECIALLY where gun carry laws are enacted. Its states that don't allow the basic human privilege of arming oneself that are shitholes of assault and violent confrontation.
Please use some common sense when trying to argue a point. And if not that, then at least try and back it up with some stats , etc... and not belabor us with silly "real world" examples you THINK might happen.
"Always stand on principle, even if you stand alone."
John Quincy Adams
Anon'"allen, why do you even post your nonsense?".
Contrary to your lack of accurate information, I post because I'm more privy to facts than you are. Mind you, in this particular case I'm not calling you a liar. In this case I can tell that you just don't know. You're simply a victim of right-wing propaganda.
Anon;"State after state shows declining violent crime rates ESPECIALLY where gun carry laws are enacted".
Who told you that? The NRA? Some right-wing talker? If you would do your "own" thinking, you would know that's not true. The National Academy of Science has found no evidence that shows right-to-carry laws have an impact, either way, on rates of violent crime.
Take a look HERE at the Florida crime stats. Go to the year 2006 (when SYG was enacted) to 2010 and you'll notice that "STATISTICALLY" (with respect to population growth) basically no change in the crime rates. Also note that the "murder rates" show a slight change [ 2006=6.2 2010=5.2 ]. Could that be due to the "reclassification" we discussed????
Anon;"If the world operated like you are trying to say, and shooting vic sutvivors, etc.. family members are all of a sudden going to turn into revenge seeking vigilantes, well.....WE WOULD SEE IT HAPPENING!.
Didn't you say that you were wary of a possible "race war?" Which is more plausible, a "race war", or a hot head with a gun out for revenge? Question...Do the right-wing wacko's you listen to keep stats on the growing number of America's race wars? The DOJ and other law enforcement agencies seem to lack those stats...
I believe I know why you post your "nonsense." You just don't know better. Before you start rattling off talking points, you should at the very least check to see if they're true.
Again allen you show your lack in basic reading skills. eriously. READ WHAT I FUCKING WRITE, NOT WHAT YOU THINK IS SAID !
Here's an instance. You start blathering on about the stand your ground law in Florida when I had said concealed carry law (BTW the Florida HB 0249 for SYG was passed in 2005, dummy, not 2006) So lets look at the first year that concealed carry was allowed in Fla.
1988 Population 12.377 million, murders and violenty crimes - 1416 and 138,343 vs 2010 stats of 18.8 mill population with murder/violent crime of 987 and 101,969. Obvious drops, and rather large.
Lets look at Texas with its large population and huge immigrant influx. Surely we'll see the CCL fail there.
1995 population 18.724 million, murders and violent crimes 1693 and 124,303. 2010 population 25.145 million with murder and violent crimes at 1249 and 113,231.
I'm seeing a trend here....
Lets look at states that have no restrictions, surely those places have to be hotbeds of Dodge City style shootouts.
New Hampshire 2010 population 1.316 million murder and violent crimes ? 13 and 2198.
Indexed stats reflect the trend as well, obviously.
If you used typical liberal mindset thinking they would REQUIRE all law abiding citizens to carry a gun.
As far as the NAS report - a dated 8 year old one mind you - it admitted to several inherent weaknesses while drawing its conclusions. It says, for instance ".. Adverse outcomes associated with firearms, although large in absolute numbers, are statistically rare events and therefore are not observed with great frequency.." ...
" The committee found that answers to some of the most pressing questions cannot be addressed with existing data and research methods, however well designed."
" the committee found that even in areas in which the data are potentially useful, the complex methodological problems inherent in unraveling causal relationships between firearms policy and violence have not been fully considered or adequately addressed."
..and on and on and on.
As I have said before, I know from personal experience the effects of using a firearm to de-escalate a situation, and can readily attest that I would rather, as the saying goes, " Have a gun and not need one instead of needing one and not have it "
But I have to say.... What I love about liberal talking heads, politicians and their ilk is that they always tell those of us 'beneath' them that we shouldn't have guns, and they do so from behind a phalanx of armed guards and/or state and fed police services.
But you keep the faith allen. Trust the guhvmint to protect you and wipe your metaphorical ass for you and tell you what to do and how to do it. Myself, I prefer they stay out of my life - and yours as well - and leave us all be.
"Always stand on principle, even if you stand alone."
John Quincy Adams
Anon;"Again allen you show your lack in basic reading skills. eriously. READ WHAT I FUCKING WRITE, NOT WHAT YOU THINK IS SAID'.
Calm down dude... What did you write that you think I don't understand? Point it out. If I'm wrong, I'll acknowledge the mistake. If not, oh well just continue to marinate in your sorrow.
Anon;"Here's an instance. You start blathering on about the stand your ground law in Florida when I had said concealed carry law".
Okay, so now you're saying, you "said" the "concealed carry law", not the "stand your ground law." I'll make sure I got it right;
You said the "concealed carry law", not the "stand your ground law.".
Now, point out on "THIS THREAD", prior to your last post, where you mentioned a "concealed weapons" law???? If you did not mention a "concealed weapons" law, how am I to know that you were talking about a "concealed weapons law?" I think you need to APOLOGIZE.
Anon;"BTW the Florida HB 0249 for SYG was passed in 2005, dummy, not 2006".
My bad! I was off by a year. Then again, wouldn't the best way to measure the effects of a law, would be to look at the stats starting with the year "after" it's enactment?
Anon;"So lets look at the first year that concealed carry was allowed in Fla.".
Okay, lets take a look. Go on...
Anon;"1988 Population 12.377 million, murders and violenty crimes - 1416 and 138,343 vs 2010 stats of 18.8 mill population with murder/violent crime of 987 and 101,969. Obvious drops, and rather large".
And that's your proof??? Law enforcement officials will claim that it was their efforts of additional officers, better equipment, training, community involvement, etc... Prosecutors will claim it was their efforts. Politicians will claim it was their efforts. Hell, community organizations can claim it was their "neighborhood watch" efforts!
Anon;"What I love about liberal talking heads, politicians and their ilk is that they always tell those of us 'beneath' them that we shouldn't have guns".
Well you can tell those "liberal talking heads" we have a constitutional right to own a gun. I own several guns. You'll never hear me say people shouldn't have the right to own a gun.
As I said, there is no evidence that right to carry laws have any effect on crime. Now "you" read it again. There is no evidence that right to carry laws have any effect on crime.
Right allen, you keep thinking that maybe the Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus was the reason for the increase in population and that "inexplicable" lowering in violent crimes. Liberal blinders at work.
Common sense will tell you, an armed citizenry - average law abiding folks - will tend to stop crimes from being committed on their selves and their property if they have the means to defend themselves from said offenders. Criminals are cowards, and typically will only persecute a crime IF they feel it can be done safely. Here's a case of what happens to you when you DON'T have a gun to thwart criminals.
http://www2.wkrg.com/news/2012/apr/23/man-beaten-mob-critical-condition-ar-3659891/
Simply put, thugs won't try to rape ,rob , assault or otherwise harm you and your property if they think its going to earn them a fuckin' bullet ! Criminals aren't heroes.
"Always stand on principle, even if you stand alone."
John Quincy Adams
Anon;"Right allen, you keep thinking that maybe the Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus was the reason for the increase in population and that "inexplicable" lowering in violent crimes. Liberal blinders at work".
Anon, your problem is you can't "prove" your assertion. There is no concrete data showing that CCW's reduce crime...NONE! Just as you can't prove that you were talking about "CCW's instead of stand your ground", you can't prove either reduces crime.
Simple example;
Detroit, Michigan (where I live) has had CCW law since 2001. Between 2001 and 2010 overall violent crime rates here show absolutely no dramatic change, either way, whatsoever.
The idea that CCW's reduce crime is all in your mind. You want to believe it because it's part of the right-wing political agenda. Groups such as the NRA exaggerate and contrive studies from purposely flawed data to satisfy gun nuts such as, survivalists, militia members and racist groups (yes racists), and to a lesser extent, legitimate game hunters.
Anon;"Simply put, thugs won't try to rape ,rob , assault or otherwise harm you and your property if they think its going to earn them a fuckin' bullet ! Criminals aren't heroes".
Not so well thought out Mr. Zimmerman!! It's exactly that frame of mind that put Trayvon Martin in his grave. You heard the 911 call right? Couldn't you hear the contempt (he's high on something, and F-ing punks always get away) in Zimmermans voice? You, like Zimmerman, seem to believe you know a criminal just by looking at them!
I told a story here once about the Detroit neighborhood where I grew up and bought a home. After several break-ins I decided to move. I've always owned at least 2 guns. The irony is that the crooks that broke into my home knew when, where and how to break in and get away. Moreover, on the second break-in, they actually stole both guns I had in the house.
Pay close attention dude, perhaps you'll learn something. A "REAL CROOK" with the intent to do you or anyone else harm, could care less if you have a gun. Armed guards, security glass, alarms and the most modern security measures haven't stopped bank robberies. Even a lesser seasoned crook who's eyed you as a mark, knows his chances for success are 50/50. All he needs to do is figure out how to get the drop on you. Once he does, your gun is as useless as your entire argument.
BTW, since you can't show where you mentioned the "CCW" law instead of stand your ground... go home and get your "F-ing" shoe shine box...
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