When a U.S Senate seat goes black, can it ever go back?
With all the talk in the media about Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevvich with regards to Obama's U.S Senate Seat, there is another story that isn't getting any attention by the media. I have a feeling the reason why is because this story would bring to much attention towards black liberal racists. Since whites had a large part in helping elect Barack Obama, a story like this would kill some of that goodwill immediately. From the very beginning the issue of race overshadowed Obama's campaign primarily because of him and his drones making it an issue. The "race factor aka the "historic" aspect hasn't changed since he was elected to the White House. I wonder how whites that voted for Obama would feel knowing that there are blacks that feel that Governor Blagojevich should appoint another "African American" to fill Obama's U.S Senate seat instead of just a qualified person regardless of race? The request by these black racists is one thing,but what they represent as a profession is another. Black religious clergy are requesting that Obama's seat be given to another black person that can "not only be appointed but can have a good chance in winning in 2010 presumably against a white candidate. Whatever happened to the saying "may the best person win or be chosen"? I guess black liberals never heard of that nor could ever care. What these black so called clergy really want is for Obama's Senate seat to become an "affirmative action seat. Black liberals went ballistic when the campaign of former Senator Jesse Helms ran this infamous "hands" ad that was against affirmative action which was supported by his opponent.
Once again, liberals screamed bloody murder when the Helms campaign released this ad. One of the main reasons for the "outrage" was because Helms opponent was black. The point I'm making is that if anybody dares to criticize what the intentions of the black clergy leaders are, those people will be labeled by the liberal black racists as being a bunch of racists. Did naive people really think by electing Obama racial politics was going to come to an end?Something else I want to touch on as well. It seems to me that black clergy people tend to focus way more on "race" then on "saving souls". These black clergy pretenders that want Obama's Senate Seat to "go black and never go back" come from the same "cloth" as other black racists hiding behind the religious title such as Jeremiah Wright, Otis Moss, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Joseph Lowery and many others, This is why there are so many black people in the United States that have huge chips on their shoulders based on the issue race. Black fake clergy are really no different then radical Islamic clerics teaching Muslims to hate westerns and to kill the infidels even if that means for them to blow themselves up in the process. I said this during the early days when I first started my blog three years ago. Liberals and Democrats can only control black's loyalty to them as long as they can manipulate the issue of race and use it as a string of control like a puppet to a puppeteer. Race should never factor into who is elected, Obama's Senate Seat should be no different. I could only imagine the response if a group of whites would have made such a statement in this situation with the Senate Seat being vacated by a "White President Elect".
Once again, liberals screamed bloody murder when the Helms campaign released this ad. One of the main reasons for the "outrage" was because Helms opponent was black. The point I'm making is that if anybody dares to criticize what the intentions of the black clergy leaders are, those people will be labeled by the liberal black racists as being a bunch of racists. Did naive people really think by electing Obama racial politics was going to come to an end?Something else I want to touch on as well. It seems to me that black clergy people tend to focus way more on "race" then on "saving souls". These black clergy pretenders that want Obama's Senate Seat to "go black and never go back" come from the same "cloth" as other black racists hiding behind the religious title such as Jeremiah Wright, Otis Moss, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Joseph Lowery and many others, This is why there are so many black people in the United States that have huge chips on their shoulders based on the issue race. Black fake clergy are really no different then radical Islamic clerics teaching Muslims to hate westerns and to kill the infidels even if that means for them to blow themselves up in the process. I said this during the early days when I first started my blog three years ago. Liberals and Democrats can only control black's loyalty to them as long as they can manipulate the issue of race and use it as a string of control like a puppet to a puppeteer. Race should never factor into who is elected, Obama's Senate Seat should be no different. I could only imagine the response if a group of whites would have made such a statement in this situation with the Senate Seat being vacated by a "White President Elect".
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 6:36 PM
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says;"Once again, liberals screamed bloody murder when the Helms campaign released this ad. One of the main reasons for the "outrage" was because Helms opponent was black."
Jesse Helms???? Horrible example Tyrone! It was Helms himself that pushed the ad because his opponent was a "Negro"! Helms was a SEGREGATIONIST!
Jesse Helms died an unrepentant RACIST!! Jesse Helms, Robert Byrd, Strom Thurmond and the like were all openly and devout RACIST! Hell, every Senate vote, governmental policy and thought that spewed from his heart and mind was mired in racism.
From the Los Angeles Times
"From the beginning, Helms was schooled in the political device of using race to propel white conservatives to the polls. As news director for WRAL radio, Helms supported Willis Smith in his 1950 Senate campaign against Frank Porter Graham, the former president of the University of North Carolina. The campaign theme was that Graham favored interracial marriages. "White people, wake up before it is too late," said one ad. "Do you want Negroes working beside you, your wife and your daughters, in your mills and factories? Frank Graham favors mingling of the races."
CB;"come from the same "cloth" as other black racists hiding behind the religious title such as Jeremiah Wright, Otis Moss, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Joseph Lowery and many others"
Let me ask you a few questions Tyrone. Of those names that are mentioned above, which one has used the same racial rhetoric as Helm used over his lifetime? Which one has called for segregation to DENY WHITES to live, work, pursue that same dream as all Americans? Which one was an elected official that campaigned on the idea that the races in America should be separated?
Helms never recanted any idea that he favored segregation...NEVER! If he were alive today, and the U.S. government were run by Helms and his ilk, YOU and your children Tyrone would not be allowed nor welcomed in the same school, workplace, restaurant, hotel, church, neighborhood, or graveyard as whites!
The way I see it, you should have the same (if not even more) disdain for Helms than a Sharpton or Wright. Helms was a staunch racist throughout his lifetime, and basically a "gatekeeper" of the old South. Hell, Wright and Sharpton could have very well been victims of Helms rabid racist acts. Helms could have never made claim that any Black person had ever proposed racial segregation and discrimination as he had as an elected official or political leader.
Boy that article is pure madness. At least most of the people responded to it with some sense.
I did not watch either video. I just read the article from the Chicago Sun-Times.
P Allen "esse Helms???? Horrible example Tyrone! It was Helms himself that pushed the ad because his opponent was a "Negro"! Helms was a SEGREGATIONIST!"
Actually it was a brilliant example allen, you as usual refuse to see what I'm saying. I never said that I liked Helms, I simply used his hands ad to draw a comparison to it and blacks in illionios wanting Obama's senate seat to "remain black". If Blago appoints a person to Obama's senate seat based on the color of his skin being black, who's loyalty will that Senator be looking out for allen? Will it be mostly for blacks or the Illinois people in general? Helms was a segregationist, but I noticed how you didn't comment on the black clergy that want to segregate Obama Senate seat for "blacks only". Did I miss something allen?
P Allen "Jesse Helms died an unrepentant RACIST!! Jesse Helms, Robert Byrd, Strom Thurmond and the like were all openly and devout RACIST! Hell, every Senate vote, governmental policy and thought that spewed from his heart and mind was mired in racism."
So what your saying is that Helms was the black version of Cynthia McKinney, Maxine Waters and the congressional black caucus? I don't really care about Helms, Byrd, and Thurmond allen. Two of them are dead as you said, and Byrd has one foot in the grave already. Even though Helms was against Affirmitive Action allen, it still doesn't make AA right. That is the point your missing. Like always you are attacking the messenger as a way of discrediting the message.
P Allen "Let me ask you a few questions Tyrone. Of those names that are mentioned above, which one has used the same racial rhetoric as Helm used over his lifetime"
Here's what you are missing allen. Helm's opinions of race could only be influenced by members of the U.S Senate which only equals a 100 people. The people I mentioned have the ability to pollute the minds of hundreds of thousands of black church goers weekly. Try again allen. You are comparing apples with oranges.
P Allen "Helms never recanted any idea that he favored segregation...NEVER! If he were alive today, and the U.S. government were run by Helms and his ilk, YOU and your children Tyrone would not be allowed nor welcomed in the same school, workplace, restaurant, hotel, church, neighborhood, or graveyard as whites!"
There is a thing called the constitution Allen that guarantees what you said would never happen if Helms was alive today which of course HE ISN'T ALIVE! You have completely ignored what I commented on about Obama's senate seat for a reason. You can dispute what I said, so you have to make this about helms. Classic Allen lol
To add one more thing allen, our society in 2008 is drastically different then it was in 1968. I could care less that Helms never recanted his views allen. Every person on this earth is going to have to make their case in front of the supreme power when they close their eyes on this earth for the last time. What was in Helm's heart only god knows, and only he will decide his fate.
P Allen "The way I see it, you should have the same (if not even more) disdain for Helms than a Sharpton or Wright. Helms was a staunch racist throughout his lifetime, and basically a "gatekeeper" of the old South. Hell, Wright and Sharpton could have very well been victims of Helms rabid racist acts. "
Now you are stretching allen lol. You said "could have". That means you are guessing hypothetically that it could have happen in some odd around about way.
P Allen "Helms could have never made claim that any Black person had ever proposed racial segregation and discrimination as he had as an elected official or political leader."
There are sblacks wanting to resegregate from the rest of society to this day. Ray Nagin in New Orleans wanting to re establish his "chocolate city" for an example. So this isn't only a white Jesse Helms thing. Also what again should be noted is that Helms is still dead as I type this allen.
P. Allen, Jesse Helms was from an era that called a black man a nigga and the black person had to sit at the back of the bus. Did he take care of his child by a black woman and her children. 75% of black men don't do that. 500000white men from the same south died freeing blacks. Helms is one man.
Byrd was a kkk. Abdul Musa a black drug dealer, ex-panther, now a muslim imam just called Dr. King a coward and Malcolm X called Dr. King a house nigga and Obama stupid. You talk about some old white men raised in a racist era. So was Dr. King and millions of blacks who made it possible for you and Obama to be alive. Old racists didnt go around blowing up non-whites around the world. A Jew named Levi was the first man killed by the KKK. Whites were also hung for protecting blacks. Black traitors who deliberately join KKK in Arabic are worst than the KKK. Racist in the USA said blacks were animals, Arab Muslims said it 1500 yrs ago, yet you never say a word. Allah aka Muhammad both said blacks are ugly, nappy headed, pug-nosed abeeds. Men like you P. Allen are called less than a donkey's penis. KKK said that too! WAKE UP BLACK MAN! Black women need Black men, not just white men!
CB says;"I simply used his hands ad to draw a comparison to it and blacks in Illinois wanting Obama's senate seat to "remain black"
Drawing a "comparison", in this case, would be to use two examples that show likeness in intent. The intent by the Illinois clergy is to have at least one Black representative in the senate. Helms did not want "any Blacks" in his neighborhood, workplace, hotel, let alone a Senate seat. You're comparing the "exclusionary" idea of Helms, with the "inclusive" idea of the clergy members.
CB;"So what your saying is that Helms was the black version of Cynthia McKinney, Maxine Waters and the congressional black caucus?"
When has Cynthia McKinney, Maxine Waters or The CBC called for White's to not be allowed to attend the same schools as Blacks? Have they ever used the same or similar rhetoric as Helms? Is their intent in congress the same or similar to Helms? Do I need to remind you that you're the one making the comparison?
CB;"Here's what you are missing allen. Helm's opinions of race could only be influenced by members of the U.S Senate which only equals a 100 people. The people I mentioned have the ability to pollute the minds of hundreds of thousands of black church goers weekly. Try again allen. You are comparing apples with oranges."
Pollute the minds of hundred of thousands of blacks???? Apples and Oranges??? First off, you didn't answer my questions. If you had you would have conceded to the idea...
Jesse Helms was openly and widely known as a segregationist. It was not "100 Senators" that voted him into his Senate seat. You stated that "hundred of thousands of Black church goers minds" were being "polluted" by the clergy. So, who polluted the "hundred of thousands of minds" to vote for, and elect, a self described racist and segregationist? Was it the "white Clergy?" Or was it Helms himself? Is that comparing apples to apples????
CB:"To add one more thing allen, our society in 2008 is drastically different then it was in 1968."
From a racial standpoint, yes it is! There's no denying it. But are you aware that our society was also drastically different (from a racial standpoint) in 1968 that it was in 1928? As it was from 1928 to 1888?
And you know what else I've noticed about particular "conservative talking points" when discussing race....Black conservatives in particular? The year 1968 is often used as a reference point to "heighten" their concept that Blacks are better of now. More appropriate dates would be 1863 or 1865...don't you think?
CB;"I could care less that Helms never recanted his views allen. What was in Helm's heart only god knows, and only he will decide his fate."
Do you feel the same way about Wright, Sharpton, Jackson and the CBC?
CB;"Now you are stretching allen lol. You said "could have". That means you are guessing hypothetically that it could have happen in some odd around about way."
Wrong... What I meant was that, if Wright or Sharpton had met or known Helms during his earlier days, Helms would have surely treated them like "Niggra's".
CB;"There are sblacks wanting to resegregate from the rest of society to this day. Ray Nagin in New Orleans wanting to re establish his "chocolate city"
Oh please Tyrone... Do you really think that Nagin wanted New Orleans to become an all Black city? For that matter, would it would have even been possible? Nagin spoke "figuratively", and furthermore explained that an all black city was not his intent.
Furthermore, to apply the term "separatist" to Nagin, Rev. Wright, Jesse Jackson, or Sharpton is utterly ridiculous. If they are separatist, they are complete failures at the game! I have yet to see or hear any of them embrace the idea of separatism.
Anonymous, with all due respect my friend, most of your post's, in my opinion, sounds and reads as though you're suffering from acute schizophrenia.
I have never been addressed as a "donkey's penis" by any Muslim. What someone writes in their "holy book" has never affected my life, and I don't expect to be affected in the future.
Anonymous, there are many "holy books" that state many things about life, death, people, deities and gods. There's the Tao-te-ching, Bhagavad Gita, New Testament, Old Testament, Koran, Veda, Upanishads, Analects, ect... If you choose to believe in any one of them, then it's you who must answer to idea's or scriptures put forth...NOT ME! Simply put, you can believe what ever you what to believe...
The fact is I deal in reality, and not what someone wrote in a book that I don't believe in.
I never liked that saying once you go black you never go back.
I think reserving Obama's seat for another black man is the equivalent of fixing a race.
I think in order to be fair race shouldn't be a requirement only capabilities of potential senate appointees!
P Allen "
Drawing a "comparison", in this case, would be to use two examples that show likeness in intent. The intent by the Illinois clergy is to have at least one Black representative in the senate. Helms did not want "any Blacks" in his neighborhood, workplace, hotel, let alone a Senate seat. You're comparing the "exclusionary" idea of Helms, with the "inclusive" idea of the clergy members.
Once again allen you chose to ignore the primary story behind this. This has nothing to do with Helms but black ckergy wanting Obama's seat to remain black. I know you don't have a defense for their actions.that is why you want to make Helms the centralized issue. Allen, you should know that I'm WAY TO SMART too see what your TRYING to do. lol
P Allen "When has Cynthia McKinney, Maxine Waters or The CBC called for White's to not be allowed to attend the same schools as Blacks? Have they ever used the same or similar rhetoric as Helms? Is their intent in congress the same or similar to Helms? Do I need to remind you that you're the one making the comparison?"
A racist is a racist allen regardless of the severity of that person's racist beliefs. To me the Klu Klux Klan is no different then the New Black Panthers. The Congressional Black Caucus is no different then La Raza. The same principals as a woman "can't be just a little bit pregnant" a person just can't be "a little bite racist". That went for Helm, Sharpton, Jackson, Wright or the black fake clergy.
p allen "Pollute the minds of hundred of thousands of blacks???? Apples and Oranges??? First off, you didn't answer my questions. If you had you would have conceded to the idea..."
You made no point in which for me to debate or concede in the first place allen. Did you have one cup to many of eggnog?lol
p allen "Jesse Helms was openly and widely known as a segregationist."
It was not "100 Senators" that voted him into his Senate seat. You stated that "hundred of thousands of Black church goers minds" were being "polluted" by the clergy. So, who polluted the "hundred of thousands of minds" to vote for, and elect, a self described racist and segregationist?
Was it the "white Clergy?" Or was it Helms himself? Is that comparing apples to apples????
I'm going to start calling you Mr. Elastic allen, because you try to stretch every issue you come across lol.
I know there are white racist non denomination churches with preachers that are self ordained, It would be beyond mental to believe that Helms during his time had any influence to make a non racist white person vote for him. His voters had to have shared his beliefs on the issue of race. Jerimiah Wright this year backup everything I said about how the blacks have been manipulated based on the bastardization of Christianity in order to preach a poisoned ideology based on their own racist and warped views. The same goes to White pastors as well allen. People in general that use the pulpit to preach racism and indoctrinate minds are unholy scum regardless of race.
P Allen "From a racial standpoint, yes it is! There's no denying it. But are you aware that our society was also drastically different (from a racial standpoint) in 1968 that it was in 1928? As it was from 1928 to 1888?"
I can only account from the experiences during the timeline I'm living allen.What you just described is "progress in society" or just evolution of society. That's why I chose to learn from the past but never become a slave to it.
P Allen "Oh please Tyrone... Do you really think that Nagin wanted New Orleans to become an all Black city? For that matter, would it would have even been possible? Nagin spoke "figuratively", and furthermore explained that an all black city was not his intent."
Oh allen did I strike a nerve?lol I'm like a human data base, I remember people's quotes when most people have long forgotten them. Nagin didn't speak "figuratively" allen. Stop trying to spin it, He meant exactly what he said. New Orleans was a city at the time with a 65 to 68% black population. The only chocolate city I know of Allen is Hershey Pennsylvania. I've been to Hershey too by the way, the people in that chocolate city are friendly beyond belief. You said that Nagin was speaking figuratively, how so allen? Please explain that. If a white mayor of a city that was majority white would have said "he wants his city to be a vanilla city", you would honestly think people would have taken his comments "figuratively"? As you said "oh please" lol
P Allen "
Furthermore, to apply the term "separatist" to Nagin, Rev. Wright, Jesse Jackson, or Sharpton is utterly ridiculous. If they are separatist, they are complete failures at the game! I have yet to see or hear any of them embrace the idea of separatism."
Too easy allen lol. Dare I bring up Trinity Unitedly Racist Cult of Christ "BLACK VALUE SYSTEM"allem hummmm?
Does the BLACK FAMILY, THE BLACK WORK ETHIC, THE BLACK COMMUNITY ring a bell. This does sounds very "segregationist" to me allen, Just imagine Helms campaigning on the "White work ethic" and the "White Community" allen, do I really need to go any further? Where is the difference in the rhetoric besides the color of the people's skin that are spewing it?
CB says;"This has nothing to do with Helms but black ckergy wanting Obama's seat to remain black.
"YOU" mentioned Helms as a "comparison". You've been shown there's absolutely no comparison between Jesse Helms and the Chicago Black Clergy.
The clergy men would like the seat to go to a black politician, and that is what you see racist. I understand that thoroughly! If you think it's racist, fine, okay that's the way you see it.
What you don't understand Tyrone is the intent of both Helms and the Chicago Clergy. Intent is the major issue in this case as it is with many issues of race and racial preferences.
Helms and his ilk wanted to exclude Blacks, whereas the clergy wants to include Blacks. Granted the outcome will be the same, that being a White person does not get the seat, but it is the intent that's the key issue.
-Example-
A few years ago a 14 year old boy was killed while playing with a gun. His parents insurance company attempted not to pay on his insurance policy because the family could not definitely prove that the death wasn't a suicide.
The point here is "intent". The boy is dead just the same, yet it was the intent that left questions for the family, authorities and everyone else....
CB;"Nagin didn't speak "figuratively" allen. Stop trying to spin it, He meant exactly what he said."
Here's Nagin's retraction. If he "really" meant it, he's done an extremely poor job of doing it!
CB;"Too easy allen lol. Dare I bring up Trinity Unitedly Racist Cult of Christ "BLACK VALUE SYSTEM"allem hummmm?"
You're confused Tyrone...just confused...
Show me where Trinity United Church states the believe in separatism? The KKK says it. The Council of Conservative Citizens says it. V-Dare says it. Jesse Helms said it. Hell, even Minister Farrakhan has said it, provided that white's are willing to agree.
So, where has it been stated by the Trinity Church?
You can't answer the question as it is posed, can you? So you spin it in an attempt to say "Black values" implies separatism. Does the term "Wake up Black America" imply separatism? Is the National Black Republican Association a separatist organization?
Blacks have formed many organizations in this country to counter past racist practices, and presently have organizations to deal with the problems within and outside our community and race.
Don't get so confused by the term "black value" that you automatically assume that there's some racial superiority at it's core. I think you're just kowtowing to the conservative's when you question a black value system.
CB;"Just imagine Helms campaigning on the "White work ethic" and the "White Community"
He's done worse! Here's just a few of Helms' antics.
By the way Tyrone, didn't you say you're a member of the National Black Republican Association? So, shouldn't there be a National White Republican Association?
P. Allen i must say thank you. Muhammad called you and Allah the god of Islam and Muslims all called you less than a donkey's penis Ishaq 243. 1500 years you and your have been called ugly nappy headed pug nosed abeed (slave) and created for hellfire. They were all whites who did it. White Arabs! Not Jesse Helms. Helms and his ilk got that ugly language from the Muslims who you seem to know nothing. Most Black converts know nothing of Islam, Quran, ahadits, muhammad aka Allah.
They are recruiting black prisoner to stazrt blowing up malls, churches, movies, buses. Just trying to tell you. Blame me and call me crazy. I care too much I guess, like Dr. King and it cost him his life. This time it will be other blacks killing blacks, trained by Arabs and arab wannabees. Im quite sane, but millions who marched in 1960s were called crazy too. You would be one of the callers!
Anonymous says;"I care too much I guess, like Dr. King and it cost him his life"
aahhh...Okaaayah....
I'm your friend anonymous. So let's just agree to disagree. I mean you no harm. If you say the Quran and the Islamic faith regard Blacks as an animals copulatory appendage, then so be it.
Unfortunately I will not be responding to any more of your post's or statements. Just feel free to view me as understanding to your sentiments. Keep the faith...
Dr. King said "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity". He was called a house negro by Malcolm X and a black imam in DC in November 2008. He is a Muslim who called Dr. King that degrading name. I guess the days of black male support are gone as so many have the Stockholm Syndrome. THANKS DR. KING, HARRIETT TUBMAN, SOJOURNER TRUTH, AND THE MANY WHO CAME BEFORE. THE STRUGGLE HAS INTENSIFIED!
Dont publish tyrone
P. Allen couldnt handle truth
Conservative Brother,
I copied this post & placed it on my own blog @ Voice Of Conservative America
I credited it to you of coarse and I have become a frequent reader of your blog. This blog is certainly one of the most worthy of reading of all the blogs.
I don't know if you read mine much? Since I don't know the answer to that I will give you this link: Voice Of Conservative America comments page
The link is basically a debate between me & one reader on the issues this blog does a better job at handling. You obviously don't have to agree with either of us, but I am sure it's good reading.
I need to respond to this comment by P. Anthony Allen in his first reply to your article: "The way I see it, you should have the same (if not even more) disdain for Helms than a Sharpton or Wright. "
I am asking you now P.A. Allen why should my Conservative Brother have "more disdain" for Helms? All of those listed by you are complete racists.
I am going to fess up, yes I often have thoughts that some would call racist and I can follow blogs like this: The National Alliance
I talk about race often because for America to work the races that make up America need to work together. The site I just posted I don't agree with on many things like it's view on religion and in fact I don't agree with all that is considered conservative either.
P.A. Allen it's people who are one sided on race that can't see both ways that bring out racism in us all. You seem to play the past "blame game" and Conservative Brother goes a long way in calming my "white fears" that tell me talking between peoples won't work. I know that most blacks\whites are good people from my own life, but I also know it's the bad apples that often lead. It's no longer just a black and white America either enter the hispanics through open borders because blacks and whites could not work together on the issue. (at least we have variety)
What white fears could I have? Lets see maybe the fact that the white race is declining in number and it's still fashionable to bash "whites" in not just America, but the world. The left hates "white America" and so do many in the "non white" majority population of the world. For the same reasons many hate the Jewish. In fact it seems many in the world view whites as the "Jews of the world." How could I not have legitimate fears for my children?
I think that both blacks and whites are being played against each other by outside forces today to help facilitate the decline of all America. I hope the white race can reach a dialog level with other races high enough that a positive outcome is the result for everyone. I am sure it can be done, but not without serious and honest debate. This forum seems to be a place to start.
I hate to bring this up on my own site for fear of being labeled a racist site (as if it's not been called that anyway) so I will bring it up here. I have seen and talked about people who have "compelling evidence" that races are different but, I choose not to post such things because every race has people who are smarter or not as smart as its group as a whole. I take the road that we are all creatures of God's creation. Religion can be good and so can real science, we can and should talk about facts that can be proven even if controversial, but we should question those who use such "facts" to make with the hate. In other words science can improve us all. No one is to smart and no race is the best. Those who think so have given up on mankind. I honestly come to this site so that I won't be one who gives up.
Having huge families that are fatherless won't help the black American or for that matter the White American. Welfare for those who are lazy etc... It's not a racial issue it's bad news for all have some in my own extended family. Those who work hard and are productive are discriminated against while we now reward lazy folks of all races. The welfare in our country creates slavery for those who work & slavery in the form of dependence for those who never learn to depend on themselves.
These topics are tough just to much ground to cover... My point is like people and culture unite and those who ignore this on the left will see America destroyed. We may not all have like skin, but we can all drop the labels and treat all races as brothers. Just because some guy has the same skin color makes him not my brother anymore than anyone else unless they are my immediate family.
P Allen "YOU" mentioned Helms as a "comparison". You've been shown there's absolutely no comparison between Jesse Helms and the Chicago Black Clergy."
Wrong Allen. I brought up the "hands ad" created by helm's "campaign".Your the one that brought up Helms DIRECTLY in response to what I originally said.
P Allen "The clergy men would like the seat to go to a black politician, and that is what you see racist. I understand that thoroughly! If you think it's racist, fine, okay that's the way you see it."
That is how I see it and factually so allen, but how do YOU see it? Also seeing that clergy are suppose to be in the business of saving souls and teaching the word of god, how exactly does Obama's Senate Seat fit into why the black clergy are making race an issue about it allen?
P Allen "What you don't understand Tyrone is the intent of both Helms and the Chicago Clergy. Intent is the major issue in this case as it is with many issues of race and racial preferences.
Helms and his ilk wanted to exclude Blacks, whereas the clergy wants to include Blacks. Granted the outcome will be the same, that being a White person does not get the seat, but it is the intent that's the key issue."
Well that makes perfect sense then allen NOT NOT NOT!!!LOL
So according your thinking are you saying that its ok to EXCLUDE a QUALIFIED WHITE, ASIAN, HISPANIC, NATIVE AMERICAN person because he or she isn't BLACK allen? Even though I was born in 1972, I feel I'm living through the 1960's racial strife but in reverse allen.
-Example-
P Allen" A few years ago a 14 year old boy was killed while playing with a gun. His parents insurance company attempted not to pay on his insurance policy because the family could not definitely prove that the death wasn't a suicide.The point here is "intent". The boy is dead just the same, yet it was the intent that left questions for the family, authorities and everyone else...."
Nice story allen, It was a real tear jerker, but you still haven't told me why it is acceptable for black so called religious leaders to openly want to discriminate in regards to Obama's senate seat against others based on race.
P Allen "Here's Nagin's retraction. If he "really" meant it, he's done an extremely poor job of doing it!
Come on allen!!!Why did Nagin apologize if in your opinion he said nothing wrong? I wouldn't apologize for something I said that I believe wasn't a mistake. To apology just for the sake of apologizing is beyond stupid it's cowardly. I agree with the resident Alex Gerhold . He called his remarks "stupid" and "pitiful." People aren't stupid allen, they know what they hear and see. Also allen you just DID MORE DAMAGE TO YOUR OWN ARGUMENT WITH YOUR OWN STORY LOL!!!!!!You said that Nagin apologized for the chocolate city statement, did he apologize for this "RACIALLY EXCLUSIVE STATEMENT"
"Nagin said God wanted New Orleans to be predominantly black and said he didn't care what the predominantly white Uptown section of the city had to say about it.
Good luck explaining that one away as well allen.
P Allen "You're confused Tyrone...just confused...Show me where Trinity United Church states the believe in separatism? The KKK says it. The Council of Conservative Citizens says it. V-Dare says it. Jesse Helms said it. Hell, even Minister Farrakhan has said it, provided that white's are willing to agree."
Confuesed allen? This coming from a person trying to excuse Nagin's chocolate city comments as being NOT RACIST?LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Alright then!! I posted the black value system allen, once again OPEN THOSE EYES ALLEN. I can hook you up with a good eye doctor. Your vision is worse then a NFL ref lol. The black value system of Trinity is SEGREGATIONIST in nature duh allen. Once again your desperately trying to deflect you inability to defend Trinity's black value system by bring in the other organizations that profess the same things but for white. Wrong is wrong allen. Any group that has a value system based on race is just wrong period white or black. Keep trying allen, it gets better lol lol
P Allen "So, where has it been stated by the Trinity Church?
Once agsin read the Trinity black value system.
P Allen "You can't answer the question as it is posed, can you? So you spin it in an attempt to say "Black values" implies separatism. Does the term "Wake up Black America" imply separatism? Is the National Black Republican Association a separatist organization?"
Low blow allen lol, low blow. In my defense your honor, I only name my blog "Wake Up Black America" because I couldn't call it "Wake up blacks in America". Also if you have read the content of my blog for since it's conception allen,you will notice that the content of what I write is about 9 to 1 in favor of overall politics then race. My blog has always from day one been an open blog catering to conservatives. Your batting average is really starting to decline hard.
P Allen "Blacks have formed many organizations in this country to counter past racist practices, and presently have organizations to deal with the problems within and outside our community and race."
Really Allen. The latest "high profile" event that the NAACP was involved in was giving their approval to the merger of XM and Sirus Satellite radio.Wow, that was really a "civil rights" issue worthy of a "civil rights" organization lol
http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/naacp-announces-support-for-satellite-radio-merger.html
P Allen" Don't get so confused by the term "black value" that you automatically assume that there's some racial superiority at it's core. I think you're just kowtowing to the conservative's when you question a black value system"
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So then when the KKK pronounces "WHITE POWER" then are you saying it should not be perceived as "promoting superiority" allen? That is very interesting allen. When the gutter rapper Ludacris said "lets paint the White House "black", could that be considered equal to a white musician saying "Lets help to keep the white house "white"? So your saying that both statements aren't racist allen? I'm not psychic, but I sense some serioud double standards here as usual allen.
CB;"Just imagine
Helms campaigning on the "White work ethic" and the "White Community"
He's done worse! Here's just a few of Helms' antics.
By the way Tyrone, didn't you say you're a member of the National Black Republican Association? So, shouldn't there be a National White Republican Association?
I don't think so allen. I'm a member of the National Republican Party and the Maryland Republican Party. Yet another swing and a miss allen. Also Allen, you forgot to mention that I'm a conservative then a Republican.
" If Blago appoints a person to Obama's senate seat based on the color of his skin..." (Tyrone)
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That's pretty much a moot point at this juncture, Tyrone.
At this point, Blagojevich is in no position to appoint ANYone to that Senate seat.
There SHOULD be an open election for that seat, as there should be special elections for Biden's seat in Delaware and Clinton's NY seat as well.
Put them up in an open election, they shouldn't be "kept warm," as one is for a candidate's son, put up for bid, as Blago tried to auction off the Illinois seat, or handed to a Kennedy as they're contemplating in NY.
Jarnco5 ask;"I am asking you now P.A. Allen why should my Conservative Brother have "more disdain" for Helms? All of those listed by you are complete racists."
Because Tyrone is black.
Helms was an advocate for the separation of the black race, from the white race. Helms did not about, or for Black Americans. Helms was unrepentant for his past deeds and was NEVER repentant for his past vile racist statements. Simply put, JESSE HELMS DID NOT LIKE NOR CARE ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE!
Thus, shouldn't a black man be more less tolerant to a "White elected politician" who openly supports segregation, than a black clergyman who doesn't?
Although it upsets Tyrone that they ask that the seat be taken by another black person, the clergyman "is not" calling for separation of the races. That's what Jesse Helms and his political ad represents...nothing else!
WHAT Tyrone doesn't understand is that Helms was an "old South" politician. The "hands" ad that he has embedded in his essay is indeed typical of Helms' sentiments toward blacks. Helms began his career using racism as an issue and continued to do so throughout his entire career in politics.
Helms despised Blacks so much that he once taunted Ill. Sen. Carol Mosley Braun by whistling "Dixie" while standing next to her in an elevator. He further stated that he was wanted to do until it she cried. Click the link "Helms Antics" in my post above for that and other quotes.
My point here is that Tyrone, in his heartfelt endeavor of "Waking up Black America", perhaps at times doesn't realize how certain examples and comparisons are in many ways exasperating.
It's like homosexuals comparing their struggle for marriage rights to the plight of Black's and the civil rights struggle. Tyrone's "ad comparison" crosses that same line of asperity. The circumstances and "intent" are different for homosexuals, as are the circumstances and "intent" for the clergy and the Helms "Hands" ad!
To mention or compare Jesse Helms (or his political ad) in the same vane as any of the Black Chicago clergy is less than fair to the clergy.
In essence, what that implies is that the clergymen should be viewed as separatist, therefore "White's" should separate themselves, not just from these particular Blacks, but any black the feels the same way as the clergymen. So now what we have is even more division than understanding! With that ad in his essay, that's exactly what Tyrone is suggesting!
CASE IN POINT-
Jarnco5 says;"What white fears could I have? Lets see maybe the fact that the white race is declining in number and it's still fashionable to bash "whites" in not just America, but the world."
How did you come up with that assessment Jarnco? Has it been reinforced by an image like the one Tyrone promotes in this essay? Liberal Black clergymen "bashing" and stepping over whites by demanding a Senate seat. Those darn Blacks taking the White mans job again... Is that the image you get?
IT'S NOT TRUE! The fact is "many people" of different races, sexes and backgrounds are vying for that same Senate seat! Hell, Blagojevich tried to sell it to the highest bidder!!!
These clergymen are not like the KKK, Nazi's Skinheads, or "Black Supremacist" nor JESSE HELMS!
They very well might not be perfect or even good Christians. They might be misguided in their requests. But one thing they are not...THEY'RE NOT RACIST SEPARATIST WITH THE "INTENT" OF DEPRIVING YOU OR ANY OTHER WHITE PERSON OF THEIR CIVIL RIGHTS!!!!!
Jarnco5; "Those who think so have given up on mankind. I honestly come to this site so that I won't be one who gives up."
I too believe in the good of mankind. It's true that we must all work together in making America an even greater country than it already is.
And I also believe that Tyrone is making that same effort by making this is a good site to discuss racial issue's. As I stated before, I know that Tyrone means well, but in this case (and some others that I have cited) your "conservative brother" has taken the conservative view way to far to the right.
Those Clergy men are hypocrites and should be ashamed of themselves. They remind me of the pharisees of Jesus' time! Obama is black and his character and the people he associates with worry me . My mother is disgusted by Obama. My dad doesn't like Obama either! My dad isn't fond of McCain. I can't give him a pass based on the fact that he is black. I wouldn't let a white republican or democrat off the hook if they had shady associates either! I'd rather have allen keyes for president than Obama anyday!
"Helms did not about, or for Black Americans." (PAA)
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Yet another unsupported and unsupportable comment.
James Meredith, the first black student at Ole Miss and a "Civil Rights icon" was a long-time advisor to Senator Helms.
James Meredith also fervently opposed race-basd preferences and quotas, as do most people opposed to racial bigotry.
jmk "James Meredith also fervently opposed race-basd preferences and quotas, as do most people opposed to racial bigotry."
You got me curious jmk, so I did some research on Helms that allen didn't want to do. You were right about Helms. This is what Helms said inmemoir, "Here’s Where I Stand"
Jesse Helms"It has always been my belief that people of goodwill on all sides of an issue can resolve their differences without the intervention of the government. We will never know how integration might have been achieved in neighborhoods across our land, because the opportunity was snatched away by outside agitators who had their own agendas to advance. We certainly do know the price paid by the stirring of hatred, the encouragement of violence, the rise of suspicion and distrust. We do know that too many lives were lost, that businesses were destroyed, and millions of dollars were diverted from books and teachers to support the cost of buses and gasoline. We do know that turning our public schools into social laboratories almost destroyed them."Since Allen wanted to give his perception of Helms, maybe he can explain who Claude Allen was and what his relationship to Helms was. Then after that maybe Allen can enlighten all of us on how Helms helped women and blacks while working as a manager at WRAL TV.
P allen "Helms despised Blacks so much that he once taunted Ill. Sen. Carol Mosley Braun by whistling "Dixie" while standing next to her in an elevator. He further stated that he was wanted to do until it she cried. Click the link "Helms Antics" in my post above for that and other quotes."
You left out the little fact that Braun " used the black power fist clinch towards Helms as she got on the elevator to provoke him and he whistled dixie in retaliation allen. I'm sure you meant to mention that right? You also "forgot" to mention allen that Moseley-Braun filed a complaint on the incident and it was thrown out when the facts came out,oops.
A liberal can no more stop lying than a fish can stop swimming.
JMK adds;"James Meredith, the first black student at Ole Miss and a "Civil Rights icon" was a long-time advisor to Senator Helms."
Yet another worthless condescending comment.
Muhammad Ali, champion heavy weight boxer and "Civil Rights icon", met with, and spoke at Ku Klux Klan meetings... on several occasions.
The "Ku Klux Klan" is also fervently opposed race-based preferences and quotas, as do most people opposed to racial bigotry.
CB says;"You left out the little fact that Braun " used the black power fist clinch towards Helms as she got on the elevator to provoke him and he whistled dixie in retaliation allen. I'm sure you meant to mention that right? You also "forgot" to mention allen that Moseley-Braun filed a complaint on the incident and it was thrown out when the facts came out,oops.
A liberal can no more stop lying than a fish can stop swimming."
Negro Puh-leeezzzzz!!!
You really believe that as a U.S. Senator, Mosley Braun surrounded by these white women Senators and White men, was either secretly (or openly) parading around the U.S. Senate touting "Black Power"?
First off, she had to have been voted in by a majority "White" constituency. So, how was this Black Power was inspired by them? Secondly, if she was shouting Black Power, someone had to give here damn good reason to do so!
And Tyrone, of course I was aware of Helms' book. Unlike you, I don't really take to believing the token words of a racist like Helm, I take him for his actions.
Here are some "famous" quote's from the "helpful" Mr. Helms.
"White people, wake up before it is too late. Do you want Negroes working beside you, your wife and your daughters, in your mills and factories? Frank Graham favors mingling of the races."
-Jesse Helms,
campaign advertisement, 1950
"Wake up White America"?? (Perhaps a blog for JMK??) lol
"The Negro cannot count forever on the kind of restraint that’s thus far left him free to clog the streets, disrupt traffic, and interfere with other men’s rights."
-Jesse Helms,
WRAL-TV commentary, 1963
"The civil rights movement, as Dr. [Martin Luther] King calls it, has had an uncommon number of moral degenerates leading the parade. The Negroes of America have a Congress that would tomorrow enact Webster’s Dictionary into law with a civil rights label on it."
-Jesse Helms, 1965
"Crime rates and irresponsibility among Negroes are a fact of life which must be faced."
-Jesse Helms,
NY Times, 2/8/81
"Helms opposed a national holiday honoring slain civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr., and led a filibuster against the extension of the Voting Rights Act."
"In one noted WRAL editorial, he suggested building a wall around the UNC (University of North Carolina) campus, which he called the “University of Negroes and Communists,” so that its liberal sentiments could be contained, and further, called young blacks "Negro hoodlums"
"The Justice Department admonished Helms' 1996 campaign for civil rights violations after it mailed 125,000 fliers to heavily African American precincts warning that voters risked imprisonment if they cast ballots"
Tyrone, you said you did your research. So tell me, are any of those quotes in Mr. Helms' book?
Stop the political hacking Tyrone. Helms was as much a bigot as Robert Bryd...maybe even more so because Helms "weak kneed" and followed the other racist Southern Democrats over to the Republican party.
Granted, Helms' held staunch conservative views. Some would say he was the "embodiment" of conservatism.
But my point is Helms' despised integration and the mingling of the races. He stated it time and time again. Tyrone, Helms did not want you, or any one the same color as you to have the same rights as he did.
And oh, by the way JMK, my bother enlightened me to another another little "ditsy" fact. James Meredith also endorsed David Duke's campaign for governor in Louisiana. I'm sure he made his mama proud!
James Meredith is a true American hero, who stood up for INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS, and refused to be pimped out by a mendacious "Civil Rights" (group rights) movement.
He sought out employment from Senator Helms and was apparently treated with the respect accorded any other applicant. He worked on Helms' staff and left because he came to believe Helms was "NOT Conservative enough."
James Meredith didn't merely "meet" with Senator Helms he worked for him and with Conservatives to expand a more Conservative agenda.
The fact that Hems hired Meredith and other black Conservatives shows that he was no racial bigot.
There were once people who though that doctor William Shockley was a "racist," merely because he noted the dysgenic impact of welfare on the black family, noting that it would eventually impact larger segments of the country in much the same way. Charles Murray amplified that view in his 1980s work, The Coming White underclass.
Believe it or not, there were actually dumb people back in the 1970s who mistook Dr. Shockley (inventor of the transistor and, in many ways, the father of today's "Information Age") with Dr. Jansen, whose famous work Bias in Mental Testing did indeed lay out a mountain of evidence showing differences in mental abilities across ethnic lines.
The stark difference between stupidity (the inability to comprehend) and ignorance (a lack of information/knowledge despite having an aptitude for comprehension) is made clear by the fact that stupid people tend to see all those who deliver bad news (whether its Dr. William Shockley, Senator Daniel P Moynihan or Jesse Helms) as "racists" or "bigots" merely because they don't agree with their views.
Senator Helms' support for segregation was wrong, but it was a peculiar institution of his age, coming of age, as he did, in the early part of the 20th Century.
On Race/gender-based preferences he and the 70+% of Americans who oppose them, have been proven (by time and the Constitution) to have been right.
"...my point is Helms' despised integration and the mingling of the races." (PAA)
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That's not your issue with Jesse Helms, as you've defended others who've opposed integration (the NOI, Louis Farraikhan) quite often.
It could be argued that Helms opposed integration on the basis of the grossly disparate violent crime rates between whites and blacks, Farrakhan and company have no such argument....their opposition is entirely race-based.
I accept that each of these people had an equal right to their racial views.
There's no way to argue that black bigotry is any more "justified" or any less "repulsive" than it's white counterpart, otherwise, folks like myself would have long ago accepted such arguments.
To my knowledge, no one's even really tried to make such an argument....empty claims without any logical grounding, yes, well thought out arguments for such a view, no.
Moreover, the 1st Amendment exists SOLELY to protect controversial and unpopular speech. It was used to allow the Neo-nazis to march through Jewish Skokie, Illinois (home to many holocaust survivors) in the late 70s and it allowed Farrakhan and the late Khlid Mohammad to demonstrate on behalf of racial hate in NYC.
As Americans, we can't condemn "racists" from another group without condemning all "racists" including those in our own group.
I don't condemn "racism" (a view that there are differences between the races) or "racialism" (a team sports view that my group/race is better than yours)...neither one of those inevitably leads to hate or violence.
I DO condemn ALL ethnic, racial and religious intolerance and hate and that's why I insist that those who condemn people they diagree with also accept that they must then accept that those who are controversial within their own group must also be condemned.
I hold everyone to the SAME standard....I don't condemn Jesse Helms or Chalres Barron, even though I foten disagree(d) with both.
You seem to seek a separtate and unequal standard - your bigots are OK, while bigots from other groups that don't like you aren't.
That's not acceptable.
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