Obama isn't the only one who won tonight.
I was trying to figure out where to start. Barack Obama is projected to be the winner over Mitt Romney. In the grand scheme of things, I'm not even remotely disappointed, I'm actually kind of glad. I'm more irked that Mia Love lost in Utah and gay marriage passed here in Maryland. I don't want conservatives to think that I've flipped my lid, because I haven't. A few weeks ago, I came to a conclusion while thinking about Mitt Romney's campaign. As a conservative, I wasn't a fan of Romney, I just wanted him to beat Obama, and I guarantee that 99% of other conservatives felt the same way. I realized that I fell right back into the trap of 2008 in backing McCain. Barack Obama isn't the only winner from this race. The Tea Party and conservatives can once again look at the Republican establishment and say with conviction that the establishment is 0-2 with their candidates at the top of the presidential ticket. This is going to sound weird, but it makes perfect sense. Barack Obama won so the counter balance is that the United States economy lost. The GOP establishment's candidate Mitt Romney lost which means conservatives and the Tea Party won. Four years ago, I said that the reason why John McCain lost was due to the fact that he didn't have an energized base. He was a moderate who thought just, because he was going against Obama, he was automatically going to get the conservative vote. In other words, McCain and the establishment thought conservatives were like subservient blacks to the Democratic Party. Romney doomed himself following the same McCain blueprint. He tried to overreach to independent voters. Right after the first debate, I noticed Romney was starting to speak more and more about being able to work across the aisle with Democrats to get things done. McCain had a similar message in self branding himself as a "Maverick". Noting turns off conservatives faster then talk of bipartisanship. They want a candidate who will fight for conservative ideas and take the fight to the liberal candidate. Romney tried to play nice against Obama just like with McCain. Romney always talked about how the economy wasn't doing fine, but he never personally linked it to Obama over it. Ronald Reagan had no problem bashing Carter over the head with it at every turn. In the third debate, Romney had a clear opening to destroy Obama over the Benghazi Libya cover up, he let Obama completely off the hook. Reagan nor any conservative wouldn't have been so merciful. Obama's win is actually a blessing for conservatives and the Tea Party and to a point the Republican Party. Now that Obama has been re elected, the economy will surely fall into recession sad to say, but he now has no one to blame officially, no Bush, no Bush, no Bush. When Obamacare fully kicks in and people start losing their insurance cover from their employers by the millions, Obama can't blame the right. His legacy will be tarred as people first hand will discover that he was the one who ultimately screwed them over. With the country predicted to be over 21 trillion dollars in debt and in deep recession, it will be impossible for any Democratic candidate to run on Obama's coat tails in 2016. As it stands, Obama and the Democrats won the battle, the economy and the GOP lost battle, but the Tea Party and conservatives are poised to win future battles and the war.
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 1:36 AM
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WHY SIR do you not have a FB linked to this!!!!
Alpha Conservative Male-"When Obamacare fully kicks in and people start losing their insurance cover from their employers by the millions, Obama can't blame the right."
I can imagine when people suddenly lose their health insurance because of Obamacare, I wonder who the voters will blame? They can't blame Obama; they have to find a scapegoat first. If and when they realized that they been had, they have to face reality that they're the ones who voted for him.
But I also took notice that this election that both the House and the Senate is now occupied by the Republicans. Will the senate do their best to stop Obamacare? Should Obama be nervous?
-Big Pop
i couldnt agree more,we are going to have a front row seat to show called the big collapse of the american economy and dollor, icant wait to see what lies and who obama and the left media blame as each yr of him being in office things get worse and worse,sad but true we may have to have a total collapse before enough people wake up and accept the fact that we have to now change direction.
"As a conservative, I wasn't a fan of Romney, I just wanted him to beat Obama, and I guarantee that 99% of other conservatives felt the same way."
I am not a fan of Romney either........but I still voted for him. I just wanted Obama out of office. However, I am afraid that your number might be a little too high. I know of many Conservatives who vowed not to vote for Romney, and I even heard from some of them over the blogosphere tonight who literally stated "I told you so" to those Conservatives who openly planned to vote for him.
The problem is not only the GOPE, but also many Pundits, especially at Fox News who "ra-ra-raad!!" behind Romney early on. I did not watch much Fox tonight. Matt Drudge has also been a major disappointment. He really showed his bias for Romney even before he won the ticket. May these people be put to shame, and either wake up to true conservatives or blow away like farts in the wind.
Everything you wrote Tyrone is simply a bunch of bull. Romney lost tonight because he couldn't convince a broad enough section of the electorate that he would be a "good" president. The kind of presidential leader that would be "on their side." Sure, he convinced enough people through deception and out-right lies, yet it wasn't enough to win on the grand scale.
Let's take a look at where he lost. The young vote, and the minority vote. Every minority group went 60% or greater for President Obama. These groups saw multi-millions of dollars being poured into Romney's campaign by some of the richest men on the planet. These people know that the "conservative", or even Romney's quasi-conservatibe ideology doesn't, and wont serve them.
That number also included single white women. Romney's embrace of the far-right-wing anti-abortion, degradation of women's rights (a.k.a. "The War on Women") didn't help him at all.
The bottom line is, on all accounts the Republicans will never win another presidential race without minorities, young people and white women. Simply put, the "liberal/progressive" base is just to large and is continuing to grow. Moreover, the conservative message is to clouded in untruths and shaded racial, homophobic, and sexist bigotry.
Again Tyrone, I'm not going to gloat...However, you should find a way to reset that "Gone Clock" on your main page!
Just out of curiosity, why do you speak of working together in politics and being merciful as if they were bad things? Those are two wonderful qualities. I think a president should be strong, but not unmerciful. I don't know what "war" you think we are fighting but the truth is....love will always triumph over hatred. Acceptance over judgment. Kindness over bullying. And working together will always produce more then being selfish or stubborn. What is so terrible about living in a nation where white, black, yellow, gay, straight, women, men, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Jewish, poor, rich, whatever we are...we are all Americans and work for the betterment of our country. We don't always have to get along but this extreme division and bickering amongst ourselves does no good. The truth is this country is moving forward as is the world, and we either go with it or fall. I believe that the Democratic ideas fit better with the world in 2012. Maybe there was a time when extreme conservative worked, but today is a progressive world. Just out of curiosity again, what is it exactly that you want of our country. What country would you like to live in? I am not that familiar with all of the Tea Party plans and goals and morals. I have read a little and know that I don't agree (mainly because I don't even agree with most republican views) but I was just wondering. Anyway, I was very proud of my country last night when we proved that the majority of Americans are proud to live in a country with such diversity and acceptance for our differences. It is nice to live in a truly free country and we want to keep it that way.
Ha-ha! The best man won! Alpha male you must be crying your eyes out. Its official now republicans suck! America has spoken telling republicans to sit down and shut up. Your saying that obama will cause another recession. But you did not expalin how. I know obama will cut the debt. Hes going to get rid of the bush tax cuts and raise tax on the super rich.
The only thing your right about is that the republicans in congress will do eveything they can to destroy the economy to make the president look bad. But just like the election results they will fail. Mitch mcconnell failed. The koch brothers failed. Sheldon adelson failed. Carl rove failed. All the lies told by the republican media failed. But most of all the two-bit hustler named mitt romney failed.
But look on the bright side. One republican was right. ann coulter said if you get romney instead of chric christy you will lose. She said that over a year and half ago. And she was right.
Gerald T-
Hey tyrone the Republican party is calling for a revolution.What does that mean a race war.And will you join your fellow republicans in a white revolution?
Big Pop "Alpha Conservative Male-"When Obamacare fully kicks in and people start losing their insurance cover from their employers by the millions, Obama can't blame the right."
I can imagine when people suddenly lose their health insurance because of Obamacare, I wonder who the voters will blame? They can't blame Obama; they have to find a scapegoat first. If and when they realized that they been had, they have to face reality that they're the ones who voted for him.
But I also took notice that this election that both the House and the Senate is now occupied by the Republicans. Will the senate do their best to stop Obamacare? Should Obama be nervous?"
The Senate is still controlled by Democrats and dingy Harry Reid Big Pop. I believe Republicans lost two senate seats one of which is Scott Brown's seat. When the crap does hit the fan, Democrats will have no cover, because Obamacare was not a bipartisan bill. What Obama and Democrats are hoping is that people will blame their employers as being the bad guys for dropping their coverage and not the democrats in congress. Obama has nothing to lose, but the rest do. If Republicans in congress were smart, they would be pointing out to the pubic what is gong to happen in 2013 and more importantly in 2014.
anon "i couldnt agree more,we are going to have a front row seat to show called the big collapse of the american economy and dollor, icant wait to see what lies and who obama and the left media blame as each yr of him being in office things get worse and worse,sad but true we may have to have a total collapse before enough people wake up and accept the fact that we have to now change direction."
The stock market Dow Jones average was off over 312 points today. It was the "second biggest stock market drop ever after an election". There were stories of many small businesses that were set to start hiring if Romney won, but those plans are now scrapped. Next year is going to be a very ruff year for equity markets, private investment, small businesses, mid sized businesses and even large and multi national corporations. What gulls me is that fools actually believe that Obama cares about turning around the economy. He is not a fan of capitalism. In his book the audacity of hope he quoted Jeremiah Wright his mentor "white man's greed runs a world in need". Obama's ten million dollars isn't invested in stocks or bonds on wall street, he has them in Treasury bills. When the economy collapses under this unsustainable debt, blaming Bush and the GOP is only going to work on those who are hopelessly beyond dumb.
Hefmier "I am not a fan of Romney either........but I still voted for him. I just wanted Obama out of office. However, I am afraid that your number might be a little too high. I know of many Conservatives who vowed not to vote for Romney, and I even heard from some of them over the blogosphere tonight who literally stated "I told you so" to those Conservatives who openly planned to vote for him."
I was thinking that might be the case also Heifmer. I knew many conservatives back in 2008 who said point blank that they would hold their nose and vote for McCain, but they were not going to vote for another RINO. I read several stories about Romney actually getting fewer votes then McCain did, so it does make sense.
Hefmier "The problem is not only the GOPE, but also many Pundits, especially at Fox News who "ra-ra-raad!!" behind Romney early on. I did not watch much Fox tonight. Matt Drudge has also been a major disappointment. He really showed his bias for Romney even before he won the ticket. May these people be put to shame, and either wake up to true conservatives or blow away like farts in the wind. "
You're right. Matt Drudge is great most of the time, but he was a hardcore supporter of Mitt along with Ann Coulter. Ann is actually saying that Romney ran a "magnificent campaign", I wonder what planet she is on. Then again, she also thinks the world of Chris Christie. Drudge should know better that conservatives can tell when the media is trying to influence, even when the media is the new media. Another factor nobody is talking about Heifer is how many of the Ron Paul supporter didn't vote because of how Paul was treated in the primaries.
p allen "Everything you wrote Tyrone is simply a bunch of bull."
You're one to talk about writing Bull allen, you do it so often, I don't know when to take you seriously.
p allen "Romney lost tonight because he couldn't convince a broad enough section of the electorate that he would be a "good" president.
See what I mean about your writing Bull? Fact, fewer Republcains voted for Romney then they did in 2008 for McCain. Since you brought up the spew about Romney wasn't able to convince people he would be a good president, answer this. What did you boy do to convince people he would be a good president for a second turn or even was a good one during his first allen? Every second he was acting like a pathetic child attacking Romney over stupid childish mess like big bird, binders and bayonets, "romnesia"etc So what was Barry's "presidential qualities" he talked about?
p allen "The kind of presidential leader that would be "on their side." Sure, he convinced enough people through deception and out-right lies, yet it wasn't enough to win on the grand scale."
Outright lies like when Obama said that he would close Gitmo in his first year yet it's still open? Obama saying he saved the auto industry when he didn't. Obama said that Americans got back ever penny from bailing out GM yet they are still owed $45 billion dollars, you mean lies like that. How about when Obama said that the $850 billion dollar Stimulus would go towards "shovel ready jobs", yet to announce a year later that there were no shovel ready jobs, lies allen? Was Obama lying when he said that legislation he would sign would be online 24 for people to see? You better be careful how you answer those questions allen, because I have video of him in his own words saying just what I said. Was he lying? Or do you only care about lying when the person was Romney, that would make you a hypocrite, but you already know that much allen.
p allen "
Again Tyrone, I'm not going to gloat...However, you should find a way to reset that "Gone Clock" on your main page!
Gloat, go right ahead. Just remember history alen. Bush was also a two term president. He was most remembered for the last year of his presidency when the economy tank. Obama's legacy will be remembered that way but by 10 in a few years. He will make Carter look like a success in the end.
p allen "
Let's take a look at where he lost. The young vote, and the minority vote. Every minority group went 60% or greater for President Obama."
What's your point? Every minority group is a subservient loyal voting block of the Democratic Party, so that is nothing new you are saying in the results.
p allen "These groups saw multi-millions of dollars being poured into Romney's campaign by some of the richest men on the planet. "
The richest men on the planet are Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, George Sorros, George Lucas, Steven Speilberg, Michael Bloomberg etc and I doubt those billionaire Democrats poured money into Romney's campaign allen.
p allen "These people know that the "conservative", or even Romney's quasi-conservatibe ideology doesn't, and wont serve them."
Define Romney's "quasi-conservative" ideology please.
p allen "
That number also included single white women. Romney's embrace of the far-right-wing anti-abortion, degradation of women's rights (a.k.a. "The War on Women") didn't help him at all. "
This was all fear mongering by the left and to a point it worked. There was NOTHING of substance behind it. What was the GOP War On Women? Was it asking women to pay for their own contraceptives? Seriously, what was this war. I never heard any complaints from the millions of female conservative and Republicans woment that there was a war by the far right being wagged on them allen, fill me in. As for abortion, being pro life doesn't mean that a president can outlaw abortion. This is why only intelligent people should be allowed to vote. George Bush was a pro life president who served two terms, where was the evidence of his "war on women" allen? You will never learn that talking points don't work. Reagan was also a pro lifer and two term president, again, give me details of his war on women. I will quote Democrat strategist James Carville, 80% of Democrats are politically dumb as hell. Furthermore,you present the false notion that the GOP needs minorites to win, it is false. From 1980 to 2008, the GOP controlled the presidency for 5 out of 7 terms". 2 for Reagan, 1 for Herbert Bush and 2 for George Bush. It's a sucker move when Democrats say that Republicans need to diversify their party more in order to win elections, because why would the Democrats care one way or the other what the GOP does or doesn't do? They only put that line out there so that the GOP will foolishly alter it's message in order to think they are appealing to minorities but all the while destroying their base. I've been around the block allen. One of the reasons John McCain lost in 2008 was due to the fact that he didn't have base support, because he tried to push through Bush's amnesty bill in 2005 which only helped them to lose control of congress. For John McCain's troubles, Hispanics only gave him a fraction of the vote in 2008, so thanks for the laugh allen.
I think Peter Schiff summed it up quite well as to where Romney went wrong not that he is any better then Obama. They both have more similarities then differences as they both support Big Government in some form or another.
http://youtu.be/Ujf7b0EK7xA
Allen, there is nothing wrong with the GOP other then it being run by out of touch north eastern moderate Republicans. Read it and learn. This is why it is impossible for liberals to blow smoke up my ass.
Turnout shaping up to be lower then in 2008
CB;"The GOP establishment's candidate Mitt Romney lost which means conservatives and the Tea Party won".
You're delusional Tyrone. The GOP lost every single senate race they entered. Your "fave", Florida's Allen West lost his seat in congress along with Joe Walsh in Illinois. Conservative backers and causes spent millions in this election. They lost decisively. Each side, liberal and conservative, brought out their best, yet hundreds of millions of conservative dollars couldn't stem the Democrat voter tide. Frankly, I believe the conservatives efforts of big money and attempted voter suppression cause Democratic voters to be even more determined to win.
CB;"They want a candidate who will fight for conservative ideas and take the fight to the liberal candidate".
Exactly! And that's exactly why Romney lost. I believe it was last year I told you that Mitt Romney was the republicans best chance of winning the presidency. The moderate base republican establishment knew this.
However, the far-right Tea Baggers, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter wing lulled the republican party (basically blinding them) into believing their candidate must take on far right ideological positions. There within lies the GOP's problem. The country is changing demographically and culturally and changing fast. Faster than what I would have expected, and much faster than the far-right are willing to accept.
I watched a Bill O'Reilly commentary tonight where he stated that; "minorities came out in force for President Obama because they want him (the government) to give them stuff." Bill, in his own sick and foolish way, could not be more wrong. In particular Hispanics voted heavily for President Obama in response to the far-right wing demanding that their candidate be "tough" on illegal immigration. The Hispanic community disavows both O'Reilly's assertion, and they Romney "self deportation" mantra.
By in large, the Hispanic community doesn't want the White establishment to "give" them anything. They want to "take" it. Mind you, I'm not implying any kind of hostile take over of the business or wealth of the White Male establishment. I'm referring more to a "movement" or a kind of changing of the guard. An example would be of how blacks came to dominate professional sports. Instead of "The O'Reilly Factor", they want "The Rodriquez Factor." Instead of "Hannity and Combs", "Gomez and Sanchez." There aspirations is for one day to land planes at Caesar Chavez International airport in Washington D.C. They want to have a U.S. president with a name like Jose Diaz.
So conservatives best get with the program because there's nothing they can do about the changing demographics. the hand writings on the wall...
CB;"The GOP establishment's candidate Mitt Romney lost which means conservatives and the Tea Party won".
You're delusional Tyrone. The GOP lost every single senate race they entered. Your "fave", Florida's Allen West lost his seat in congress along with Joe Walsh in Illinois. Conservative backers and causes spent millions in this election. They lost decisively. Each side, liberal and conservative, brought out their best, yet hundreds of millions of conservative dollars couldn't stem the Democrat voter tide. Frankly, I believe the conservatives efforts of big money and attempted voter suppression cause Democratic voters to be even more determined to win.
CB;"They want a candidate who will fight for conservative ideas and take the fight to the liberal candidate".
Exactly! And that's exactly why Romney lost. I believe it was last year I told you that Mitt Romney was the republicans best chance of winning the presidency. The moderate base republican establishment knew this.
However, the far-right Tea Baggers, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter wing lulled the republican party (basically blinding them) into believing their candidate must take on far right ideological positions. There within lies the GOP's problem. The country is changing demographically and culturally and changing fast. Faster than what I would have expected, and much faster than the far-right are willing to accept.
I watched a Bill O'Reilly commentary tonight where he stated that; "minorities came out in force for President Obama because they want him (the government) to give them stuff." Bill, in his own sick and foolish way, could not be more wrong. In particular Hispanics voted heavily for President Obama in response to the far-right wing demanding that their candidate be "tough" on illegal immigration. The Hispanic community disavows both O'Reilly's assertion, and they Romney "self deportation" mantra.
By in large, the Hispanic community doesn't want the White establishment to "give" them anything. They want to "take" it. Mind you, I'm not implying any kind of hostile take over of the business or wealth of the White Male establishment. I'm referring more to a "movement" or a kind of changing of the guard. An example would be of how blacks came to dominate professional sports. Instead of "The O'Reilly Factor", they want "The Rodriquez Factor." Instead of "Hannity and Combs", "Gomez and Sanchez." There aspirations is for one day to land planes at Caesar Chavez International airport in Washington D.C. They want to have a U.S. president with a name like Jose Diaz.
So conservatives best get with the program because there's nothing they can do about the changing demographics. the hand writings on the wall...
First of all, there are over 314 million residing in the US. It is estimated that 76% are potential voters, therefore 240 million. Only 60 million decided the fate of the US, that's 25%. The problem is 50% of the country chose not to exercise their right. Why? I guarantee you over the next four years this silent half will start screaming, "What happened?" as the bill comes due.
P. Anthony, my daughter's a single 22 year old and voted Romney. She had tuned out politics all her life but graduated college and moved to another state and became involved. Propaganda from the left is designed to keep the minorities in line. There is a lot more opportunity in the GOP for a minority politician than the Dems. They just need to seize the opportunity. Republicans aren't racist, they're logical and practical. Dems are emotional. You can't defend your argument without insults and adjectives. P.S. You lied, you gloated.
8:42am Anonymous- You are insanely idealistic. The same idealism found in the principles of communism. The assumption is everyone will work equally as hard. That every group will work equally as hard to get along. Not possible. Human nature will not allow it. There will always be someone (group) that will try to un-level the playing field in their direction. You are very naive. You haven't been watching what's been going on in Europe? They are ahead of us in progressivism and they are falling apart. Widespread rioting in Italy and Greece due to austerity measures, and bailouts from the EU causing tension from the countries that are solvent. And what happens in Europe follows in the US. P.S. The majority of Americans DIDN'T vote.
Gerald T.- Obama promised to cut the Bush deficit in half by the end of his 4th year in office. Bush's deficit? $438 billion. So half is $217B. What did Obama spend in 2012? $1.3 trillion. That's not a cut! That's an increase of 500%. You'd better find a new news source, yours is inadequate. By the way, it's amazing how many libs get their news and politics from comedians. As for the expiring tax cuts. How much extra tax from the ultra rich will the government take in? $8.5 billion. Enough to run the government for 9 days. Wow! All this class envy for that?
Alpha Male-- Obama is an anti colonialist. All of his decisions can be explained about this fundamental ideology. It's why he put a moratorium on drilling in the gulf after the BP oil spill, but sent our stimulus money to Brazil and Mexico to drill there. It's why he boxed up the bust of Churchill- a gift from England- his first week in office and sent it back. Understand that the poorest of the poor in America is still be far richer than many other countries of the world. We will continue to see our tax money moving outside of the country (jobs too) while he thinks he's righting the injustices of our European ancestors. The net result will be EVERY American will be poorer than they were 4 years ago.
First of all, there are over 314 million residing in the US. It is estimated that 76% are potential voters, therefore 240 million. Only 60 million decided the fate of the US, that's 25%. The problem is 50% of the country chose not to exercise their right. Why? I guarantee you over the next four years this silent half will start screaming, "What happened?" as the bill comes due.
P. Anthony, my daughter's a single 22 year old and voted Romney. She had tuned out politics all her life but graduated college and moved to another state and became involved. Propaganda from the left is designed to keep the minorities in line. There is a lot more opportunity in the GOP for a minority politician than the Dems. They just need to seize the opportunity. Republicans aren't racist, they're logical and practical. Dems are emotional. You can't defend your argument without insults and adjectives. P.S. You lied, you gloated.
8:42am Anonymous- You are insanely idealistic. The same idealism found in the principles of communism. The assumption is everyone will work equally as hard. That every group will work equally as hard to get along. Not possible. Human nature will not allow it. There will always be someone (group) that will try to un-level the playing field in their direction. You are very naive. You haven't been watching what's been going on in Europe? They are ahead of us in progressivism and they are falling apart. Widespread rioting in Italy and Greece due to austerity measures, and bailouts from the EU causing tension from the countries that are solvent. And what happens in Europe follows in the US. P.S. The majority of Americans DIDN'T vote.
Gerald T.- Obama promised to cut the Bush deficit in half by the end of his 4th year in office. Bush's deficit? $438 billion. So half is $217B. What did Obama spend in 2012? $1.3 trillion. That's not a cut! That's an increase of 500%. You'd better find a new news source, yours is inadequate. By the way, it's amazing how many libs get their news and politics from comedians. As for the expiring tax cuts. How much extra tax from the ultra rich will the government take in? $8.5 billion. Enough to run the government for 9 days. Wow! All this class envy for that?
Alpha Male-- Obama is an anti colonialist. All of his decisions can be explained about this fundamental ideology. It's why he put a moratorium on drilling in the gulf after the BP oil spill, but sent our stimulus money to Brazil and Mexico to drill there. It's why he boxed up the bust of Churchill- a gift from England- his first week in office and sent it back. Understand that the poorest of the poor in America is still be far richer than many other countries of the world. We will continue to see our tax money moving outside of the country (jobs too) while he thinks he's righting the injustices of our European ancestors. The net result will be EVERY American will be poorer than they were 4 years ago.
p allen "CB;"The GOP establishment's candidate Mitt Romney lost which means conservatives and the Tea Party won".
P allen "You're delusional Tyrone."
You have always been a one dimensional thinker allen, that is why you have never been an intellectual challenge. This is how "delusional" I am. TEA PARTY DECLARES WAR ON GOP ESTABLISHMENT . You only know about conservatives and the tea party what you have been told and your own personal bias. I know from experience. You thought what I said was so outrageous, so now what you have to say allen? Those who don't know learn, those who do know teach.
p allen " Your "fave", Florida's Allen West lost his seat in congress along with Joe Walsh in Illinois. Conservative backers and causes spent millions in this election. "
You failed to mention that in the case of West, his was redistricted and became a liberal district which made it a threat of him losing. You kind of left that out. Again, I just make you look so bad when you try to challenge me. Redistricting Will Leave Allen West’s Congressional Seat Vulnerable You also left out that the head of the tea party caucus on Michelle Bauchman retained her seat in Minnesota. As for Joe Walsh, he also lost due to redistricting in Illinois. It's a no duh that tea party and conservatives will lose no matte how much is spent when the districts went from red to blue allen.
p allen . Each side, liberal and conservative, brought out their best, yet hundreds of millions of conservative dollars couldn't stem the Democrat voter tide.
Did you ignore the stories that turn out was lower this time then four years ago? Or is it a you know what to accept?
p allen "Frankly, I believe the conservatives efforts of big money and attempted voter suppression cause Democratic voters to be even more determined to win. "
Voter suppression? I didn't know that the New Black Panthers returning to the same polling place that they were four years ago was the GOP attempt at suppressing voters allen, imagine that. Speaking of voter suppression, do you want to talk about all those voter machines that kept defaulting to Obama when people chose Romney, we can if you like
p allen "I watched a Bill O'Reilly commentary tonight where he stated that; "minorities came out in force for President Obama because they want him (the government) to give them stuff." Bill, in his own sick and foolish way, could not be more wrong."
When hasn't minorities not come out in force for Democrats?You think what O'Reily said was sick and foolish about minorities? When Democrats say that GOP are going to hurt the poor allen, how exactly can that happen? The only way I see it is if minorities are receiving benefits from the government, and they say that the big bad GOP is going to "CUT FUNDING TO THE POOR AND MINORITIES". Why is it that Democrats always bring up minorities when there is talks about cutting welfare and social program aid?
p allen "In particular Hispanics voted heavily for President Obama in response to the far-right wing demanding that their candidate be "tough" on illegal immigration."
So they voted against Romney, because they do not have no respect for the country's law on immigration allen? Sounds like they really do not care about the country they are in to me. If they don't respect border laws, why would anyone expect them to care about America period?
p allen "The Hispanic community disavows both O'Reilly's assertion, and they Romney "self deportation" mantra.
Oh really, the come here illegally, they hate anyone who supports America's immigration law, and they come and take work from Americans. They are such a joy to have. For those who are legal, why in the hell did they go through the proper process yet support those who don't on purpose? Funny how people from South America can't go into Mexico and expect to be treated like like the cat's meow. Mexican immigration laws are 20x strong and stricter then ours. We are suppose to be just dumb gringos I suppose and let it happen.
Tyrone, stop degrading Ann Coulter. She said at the CPAC Convention two years ago that "If we don't run Chris Christie, Romney will be the nominee and he will lose".
Now Christie seems like a possible candidate for a second term Obama cabinet position and a real threat to take the White House in 2016. That will only happen if the GOP finally throws the bag of tea party ideologues under the bus. We both don't want that to happen for selfish reasons.
Westley Williams "Tyrone, stop degrading Ann Coulter. She said at the CPAC Convention two years ago that "If we don't run Chris Christie, Romney will be the nominee and he will lose"."
lol, lol, Am I an others are to believe that the Chris Christie is the savior of the presidency in 2016 Westley? lol Right or wrong, Christie is done as a serious potential 2016 candidate. Conservatives and the GOP establishment a like have turned their backs on him. Romney's campaign was filled with GOP establishment loyalist staffers, and NJ Gov. Christie lashes out at ‘know-nothing’ Romney staffers He might win re election, but that's it for Christie.
Westley William "Now Christie seems like a possible candidate for a second term Obama cabinet position and a real threat to take the White House in 2016. That will only happen if the GOP finally throws the bag of tea party ideologues under the bus. We both don't want that to happen for selfish reasons."
Romney wasn't even a tea party person, he wasn't a conservative. Romney lost Massachusetts and New Hampshire. Northeastern Republican moderates can not win elections. Herbert Walker Bush won on the coattails of Reagan's presidency but four years removed he lost, add Mitt Romney, hell even the Northeastern and fellow Massachusetts resident John Kerry lost as a Democrat. Without the Tea Party and conservatives, who's going to vote for Christie? How is he going to carry the red states he would need just to have a chance?
CB;" TEA PARTY DECLARES WAR ON GOP ESTABLISHMENT. You only know about conservatives and the tea party what you have been told and your own personal bias. I know from experience. You thought what I said was so outrageous, so now what you have to say allen? Those who don't know learn, those who do know teach".
You just don't get it do you? There are those who teach. Conversely, there are those who DONT learn no matter how you attempt to enlightened them.
You're saying the Tea Baggers declared war on the GOP establishment because the GOP establishment is too moderate. I CLEARLY STATED, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING!
you said; "They want a candidate who will fight for conservative ideas and take the fight to the liberal candidate".
I responded; Exactly! And that's exactly why Romney lost.
Romney didn't lose because he wasn't far right enough. He lost because the new more progressive voting demographic "thought" he was far right. Open your eye's Tyrone. Do you really think Romney lost the women vote because he "wasn't" conservative enough on abortion and women issue's? Do you think he lost the Hispanic vote because he "wasn't" tough enough on illegal immigration? Do you think he lost the auto/industrial mid-west states because he was "too soft" on the auto bailouts?
You're in denial Tyrone. ROMNEY LOST! Yet you're denying the facts and factors which led to his loss. Far right politics are a complete turn-off to Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Jews, Gays and women, and to a certain degree, most
young people under 30. All of your self appeasing, self grandizing snide can't change the reality. The GOP is going to have to move more toward the center, not the right like the Tea Baggers want.
Oh well, can't say that I didn't tell you so. The far right-wing kooky conservative is not a brave or wise move by lying down on the tracks of history, just to let the train of the future run right over them.
CB-"Romney lost Massachusetts and New Hampshire. "
I'm surprised that Romney lost MA and Wisconsin with Paul Ryan being his running mate since they're respectfully are from those areas.
-Big Pop
Tyrone, my point is that the GOP will have to undergo a paradigm shift to the left. I would liken it to how Bill Clinton and the DNC moved the mainstream of the party to the right of its traditional "New Deal Liberalism". In the 90's that was the winning formula. By the end of the 20th century, this was deemed as an acceptable way of governing.
Unfortunately, GWB took this country much further right. Of course circumstances regarding 9-11 enabled the movement to carry on to extents never believed. Yet, as the decade continued, the walls came tumbling down and Barrack Obama was elected with majorities in Congress. There was a knee-jerk reaction in 2010 and the GOP re-gained the House with a class of ideologues who convinced the Party that far right-wing ideals in the guise of "conservatism" was what America really believed in. That accounted for the fiasco of the Republican Primaries. It gave America a look at how nutty the GOP had become. Then came 7 November 2012.
In order for the GOP not to suffer the same fate as the Whig Party, they will have to throw the entire tea party caucus under the bus and cede leadership to what is colloquially known as the "RINO"s. Only the moderates of the Party can save it. There are a number of GOP moderates and moderate want to be's who are ready to start the coup d'état.
You better be ready to chose sides.
Anon;"Propaganda from the left is designed to keep the minorities in line. Dems are emotional".
You're probably right. That's why we as Blacks need our own political agenda designed to solve the problems that exist in most black communities. Solving the problems and breakdowns in black communities is something the Democrats and Republicans have failed at. I'm a staunch advocate for "self reliance" within the black community.
Anon;"There is a lot more opportunity in the GOP for a minority politician than the Dems".
Now you've lost any credibility (and grace) I might have granted you. Your assertion that your choice of party would be better for me (and other blacks) doesn't work with me. Although you might think so, my so-called "liberal views" is not an illness. Only my doctor can tell me what lifestyle habits I need to change. So, if you're a doctor, stick to medicine and leave the politics alone.
Anon;"Republicans aren't racist, they're logical and practical".
And? I personally know some Republicans - Black, White, even and immigrant Arab born Republican. The one's I know aren't racist. However, I've read plenty of literature, news letters, editorial writings, web site essay's, posts and comments and video taped admissions of self proclaimed "REPUBLICANS" and "CONSERVATIVES" who are indeed racist.
Anon;"You can't defend your argument without insults and adjectives. P.S. You lied, you gloated".
In all honesty, I vary rarely if ever openly and outright "insult" anyone...particularly on this blog. At times I might call someone "stupid, ass-backwards, dumb," or even question their intelligence level. But to insult some one just for the sake of throwing around insults, is something I don't do.
As far as "gloating" and my telling a lie...you obviously don't know what "gloating" is...
If I wanted to gloat, I'd say;
Did you really think Romney was going to win? How stupid could you be?? Romney was a disaster waiting to happen! Even he knew it...
The Romney supporters "I voted" stickers included the term "FOR A LOSER!"
They also passed out campaign buttons for the idiots that thought "Mitt" would actually win. The buttons said; "2012- Willard Is My President!" The acronym read; "2012- W.I.M.P."
On the ride back to Boston, Mitt was forced to ride in the same car top cage his dog was rode in! Ann stated she didn't want the smell of sour grapes in the car.
NEWS FLASH! Karl Rove and Dick Morris still predicting Romney to win Ohio, Florida and Detroit! Keep hope alive!
What was Romney's campaign slogan? "I COULDN'T BUILD THAT!"
Did you hear Romney's going to run again in 2016? As the old sayin' goes... If at first you don't succeed, keep on SUCKIN' TIL' YOU DO SUCK-SEED!
And for all you child-like Romney supporters who thought he had a snowballs chance in hell of winning the presidency... NAH NAH NEE NAH NAH! YOU LOST YOU LOST, NAH NAH NEE NAH NAH!
Now that's GLOATING! I hope you learned how it's done.
I guess pa allen can think of himself now as one of Santa's little helpers ...
Stop the BS in the party please.. Lost because we continue to not compete for the hearts and minds of 14% of the electorate. The crazy nonsense of blacks wanting "free stuff" is nonsense..Maybe when the party stops paying so much respect to the jim crow types trying to marginalize blacks and patronize them we will break the hold the democrats have.. There was a time the Republican party used to get 35% of the black vote until Goldwater basically ran them off by disavowing the Civil Rights movement.. The southern strategy afterwards.. They are not sheep! We speak down to them like children and then tell them we want to include them but then instead of challenging with ideas we play games to supress their vote by redistricting and nonsense like that. The dummy in Pennsylvania who tried a voting law/ID change in PA thinking he was guaranteeing a Romney win! He was so sure of it he said "done!!"... Joke on us! All it did is wake them up in Pennsylvania to go out and vote and they showed up in record numbers...They played by the new rules thrust upon them and won and saying anything less is sour grapes and whining..We can have 20 Alan Wests , Condi Rices and the result will be the same. Weat just sounds like a mean oger. He even started turning off people in his own district..We should be embarrassed that most of the red states are predominently south.
The latino vote can be had but we must also understand that they are very different from South Florida Cubans and are diverse and have a different set of requiremnts and circumstances. They are hard working and growing and thriving.. The Democrats welcome them meanwhile we welcome Cubans who have a notorious and bad reputation with other latinos for their bigotry and racism even amongst their fellow darker countryman.. Neo cons seem so itchy to fight a war and impose ourselves on other nations will and church zealots hold sway in the party.. No one cares about what gay men or women do! Stop making it the litmus test! Stop worrying about what someone does with their womb.. We claim we want less government but we go harder than a porn star on viagra to be in some womans pussy!!! Why???? Most blacks are not big on abortion. Most are not fans of gays but tolerate it because there are some similarities to the civil rights movement and know how it feels to be hated just because of something arbitrary. Fellow republicsns ..Please rethink how we approach others or you will be a party of the south and only the south.. It should not take have taken an election ass whooping to realize things must change in how we interact with and bring others into the fold who are not white..
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