Sunday, August 03, 2008

Obama's "Ludacris" judgement in choicing associates and friends.


8-3-2008

It looks like the Obama express has thrown yet another loyal supporter "under the bus". This time it's the rapper Ludacris aka Christopher Bridges. Obama's judgement in his associations with radical and divisive people have always been in question, and apparently this is no exception and with good reason. Barack Obama isn't just a candidate running for president, he's also a father of two daughters nine and seven years old. I remember when Obama said "If my daughters make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby". Funny he should say that. In the hiphop/rap community, The music constantly refers to women in the most derogatory terms such as "bitches", "hoes", "whores", "skanks", "sluts" etc. Ludacris headlined a fundraiser for Obama in March of 2007.
Obama called Ludacris "a talented rapper" and said that he listens to him on his "IPOD". A spokesman for Obama said after the Ludacris meltdown went critical

"As Barack Obama has said many, many times in the past, rap lyrics today too often perpetuate misogyny, materialism, and degrading images that he doesn't want his daughters or any children exposed to."

If that's how he feels about hiphop music, why did he have Ludacris headline his fundraiser in the first place? Also, why does he have music that he considers " degrading and misogny" on his Ipod? Why does Obama listen to music that degrades women knowing he has a wife and two young daughters? It all comes down to lack of moral character on Obama's behalf. Does it take "talent" to use hundreds of derrogatory words to make a CD? Obama considers Ludacris "talented". Why should that surprise anyone. Obama thought the world of Jeremiah Wright, Otis Mosses, and John Flagher at one time too. Pretty soon Obama is going to have to change the suspension on his bus if he keeps throwing people under it at this rate. One more thing I forgot to mention. Obama somehow keeps saying that Republicans and McCain supporters are attacking him on the issue of race. Funny, but Obama doesn't have any proof of that happening. The song "Obama is here" is extremely racially divisive, yet Ludacris is an OBAMA SUPPORTER. Watch the video and determine for yourselves.

I thought Obama didn't want his daughters listening to the degrading lyrics of rap music? Is Obama lying?





29 Comments:

Anonymous Mike W said...

Its Obamas image. To appeal to youth one must be youth especially listen to the same music.If Obama became critical of rap music how fast would the Uncle Tom label be attached to him and how quickly would youth abandon him.He is going to have a hard enough time keeping the youth vote.The Thrill Is Going Going Gone by November.
My opinion still is if they snub Hillary in Denver the democrat party will implode.

11:53 PM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

First off, I'm not a "Ludacris" fan! I think the song is rather stupid, as it is with most of his so-called "rap songs."

Now, with that being said, Chris Bridges is exercising a first amendment right.... plain and simple! He's made, and continues to make millions from his recordings and acting roles. Capitalism (if you want to call it that) at it's best or worst...? you decide.

As far as the "Obama is Here" song and his connections with Ludacris, it's kinda like a double edge sword (one side very sharp, the other side very dull).

On one side you have a demographic of older, largely white voters, who are offended by the song. Many from that group are offended by most "hip-hip" and "gangster rap" anyway. It's more than likely that Obama wasn't going to get very much support from this demographic even before the song. Thus, nothing loss nothing gained.

One the other side are the younger more accepting of hip-hop demographic. Suffice it to say that these voters have been, and will continue to be Obama supporters. As it is with most younger hip-hop enthusiasts, it's the "funky beat", "slick rhymes" and the overall idea that "it's a cool song" is all that matters to them.

However, there are the McCain supporters and the conservative attack crowd that will attempt to drive the issue as another one of Obama's lapse in judgement. Obama will have to answer by denoucing the song, and as you stated, "toss Ludacris under the bus" and move on from there.

Hell, the fact of the matter is Obama can't control what Ludacris says or does. Granted, Ludricris definitely did'nt do Obama any favors with the song. Yet, it is my opinion that this entire ordeal is a wash.

1:08 AM  
Anonymous blacknificient said...

Obama is between a rock and a hard place. Islam and Christendom and Marxism in between. Indeed a hard rock. Frank Davis would be proud along with Paul Robeson and Richard Wright.

BB

1:39 AM  
Blogger Forty_Two said...

Democracies get the leaders they deserve. If the public wasn't so interested and entertained by a candidates college pot smoking days or his rate of intercourse, we might be able to attract a few grown-ups to the White House.

6:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Barack Obama seems to have such poor judgment when it comes down to people with whom he associates with.
I had to look at your blog again, Tyrone, and seem to have lost track. Correct me if I'm wrong: did you say Obama calls Ludaris a "talented artist", but he does not want his two daughters exposed to rap?
I had to wonder this: since most rap songs I have heard, most of them has the use of the n-word, incites violence and it degrades women for calling them "bitches" and "hos".
I can see why Obama does not want his two daughters exposed to that kind of material.
What puzzles me is, why did he exposed his two daughter around the likes of Rev. Jeremiah Wright for his anti-American, and divisive additude?

6:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

House GOP is still going strong!!!! How can we help????

9:27 PM  
Blogger Pamela said...

Remember this is the same man that calls a child punishment. I'm not surprised about anything he says.

10:16 PM  
Anonymous Mike W said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

House GOP is still going strong!!!! How can we help????

9:27 PM
http://www.callbackcongress.com/

12:36 AM  
Blogger JMK said...

"As far as the "Obama is Here" song and his connections with Ludacris, it's kinda like a double edge sword (one side very sharp, the other side very dull)." (PAA)


Tyrone had no problem with this guy (Ludicris) making money, nor even penning THIS particular song.

His issue was over whether it was legitimate to link and smear a Barack Obama with such a song, by dint of his praising that genre.

Of course it's "fair" in politics.

Your view that the "young are generally more Liberal than their elders" is only true for 18 to 24 y/o, as most people who go out and work for a living become much more practical and thus Conservative as time goes on.

While nearly 60% of 18 to 24 y/o are Liberal, only about 40% of 25 to 40 y/o are.

11:18 AM  
Blogger Pamela said...

I agree about the age range of being liberal. By the time I was 25 years old I had completed changed. Working, trying to own a small business, LIFE IN GENERAL makes many make the switch. Probably most parents have become a little more conservative after a few years. Conservative may be a relative term considering the start point of some folk.

5:45 PM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

mike w "Its Obamas image. To appeal to youth one must be youth especially listen to the same music"

Obama needs to understand mike that appealing to on demographic group isn't going to win him the election. Actually the youth vote has been known to be one of the most Unreliable groups to count on in regards to coming out and voting.

mike w"e youth especially listen to the same music.If Obama became critical of rap music how fast would the Uncle Tom label be attached to him and how quickly would youth abandon him"

That does make sense, but politics aside I wonder does he truly listen to and let his daughters listen to that crap. He can appeal to the youth by saying he listens to that stuff,but that could also alienate older more moderate voters who won't believe Obama is a man of character or even good parenting skills.

mike ".The Thrill Is Going Going Gone by November.
My opinion still is if they snub Hillary in Denver the democrat party will implode."

I think Hillary somehow is gong to factor into this. I know the democrat higher ups are looking at the polls and can't figure out why Obama is just tied with McCain. I still think they will go with Obama out of not wanting to risk alienating blacks.

5:49 PM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

P Allen "First off, I'm not a "Ludacris" fan! I think the song is rather stupid, as it is with most of his so-called "rap songs."


Come on allen, you know you have ludacris on your IPOD as well, stop denying.

P Allen "Now, with that being said, Chris Bridges is exercising a first amendment right.... plain and simple! He's made, and continues to make millions from his recordings and acting roles. Capitalism (if you want to call it that) at it's best or worst...? you decide."

Chris Bridges and people like him unfortunately does represent the dark side of capitalism. As for his first amendment right, I'm not trying to deny him the right for him to say what he wants. I just brought up the connection between a presidential candidate and a foul mouth gansta rapper making a racially divisive song. Tell me what is inaccurate about that allen.

P Alen "On one side you have a demographic of older, largely white voters, who are offended by the song. Many from that group are offended by most "hip-hip" and "gangster rap" anyway. It's more than likely that Obama wasn't going to get very much support from this demographic even before the song. Thus, nothing loss nothing gained."

Allen, would you agree that without the white demographic,Obama doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning? If you agree, then Ludacris has in fact did more harm to his campaign then good. Obama has been campaiging as the new age candidate that is beyond race, yet it is his associates that keep bring up race in the most vile and repugnant manner. You can't deny that allen.

P Allen"One the other side are the younger more accepting of hip-hop demographic. Suffice it to say that these voters have been, and will continue to be Obama supporters. As it is with most younger hip-hop enthusiasts, it's the "funky beat", "slick rhymes" and the overall idea that "it's a cool song" is all that matters to them."

You forgot to mention that Hip Hop remains the only genre of music in which 95% of its cd's carry a parental advisory label on them. This music has been and will remain poison to the black community, You talk about "funky beat" and "slick rhymes". The music is about killing other blacks, selling poison "drugs" to the black community, and treating women in general as mere sex objects, but hey at least it has a funky beat. Oh I forgot the massive us of porfaity and the use of N word in every other sentence its seems. Oh yeah, thats good music all right lol

P Allen "However, there are the McCain supporters and the conservative attack crowd that will attempt to drive the issue as another one of Obama's lapse in judgement. Obama will have to answer by denoucing the song, and as you stated, "toss Ludacris under the bus" and move on from there."

Try? There is no need to "try" allen. Ludacris is a PROVEN lapse of judgment by Obama yet again. It'snot a conservative or McCain issue period. Obama supporters can't admit when the man is straight out WRONG! Obama has yet to really apologize for any of his lapses in judgment, he just simply throw them under the bus of the excuse that "that is not the person I knew".

P Allen". Obama will have to answer by denoucing the song, and as you stated, "toss Ludacris under the bus" and move on from there. "

This time Obama's assistant threw luda under the bus for him. lol

P Allen "Hell, the fact of the matter is Obama can't control what Ludacris says or does. Granted, Ludricris definitely did'nt do Obama any favors with the song. Yet, it is my opinion that this entire ordeal is a wash."

The reality Allen is if Obama would have never hooked up with such a person with Ludacris in the first place, he would have nothing to apologize for. There are many great talents in music that youth listen to that are nothing like ludacris or gansta rappers in general. In essence, Obama played with fire and he got burnt.

6:12 PM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

blacknificient"Obama is between a rock and a hard place. Islam and Christendom and Marxism in between. Indeed a hard rock. Frank Davis would be proud along with Paul Robeson and Richard Wright."

I agree black. Obama is tring to have his cake and eat it too, and he's going to choke on it eventually. He has to take a position one way or another on many different issues and stop flip flopping.He went to the praying wall in Israel, yet in his book "audicity of hope" he said he will side with the muslims. I wonder do jews now this? I doubt it.Just like a boxer, I guess he figures he can't be pinned down if he keeps moving around and confusing the people on the issues at hand. Obama can only do it for so long.

6:19 PM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

anon"I had to look at your blog again, Tyrone, and seem to have lost track. Correct me if I'm wrong: did you say Obama calls Ludaris a "talented artist", but he does not want his two daughters exposed to rap?"

lol, your not suppose to notice the hypocrisy of that anon and for that matter either is anyone else lol. Obama claims to be a Christian yet he has ludacris on his Ipod? Obama says he doesn't like how rap music portrays women and the language, yet he calls laducaris talented? The guy is a walking contradiction of his own words.

This is Obama admitting that he lets his 3 year old listen to Snopp Dog's trash song "Drop it while its hot"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Si8h4zgqA

So according to Obama his three year old daughter is listen to this and he sounds proud of it!!!

[Intro]
Snooooooooooop..
Snooooooooooop..

[Chorus - Snoop Dogg]
When the pimp's in the crib ma
Drop it like it's hot
Drop it like it's hot
Drop it like it's hot
When the pigs try to get at ya
Park it like it's hot
Park it like it's hot
Park it like it's hot
And if a nigga get a attitude
Pop it like it's hot
Pop it like it's hot
Pop it like it's hot
I got the rolly on my arm and I'm pouring Chandon
And I roll the best weed cause I got it going on

[Verse - Pharrell Williams]
Uh! I'm a nice dude, with some nice dreams
See these ice cubes, see these Ice Creams?
Eligible bachelor, million dollar boat
That's whiter than what's spilling down your throat
The Phantom, exterior like fish eggs
The interior like suicide wrist red
I can excercise you, this can be your Phys. Ed
Cheat on your man ma, that's how you get ahizzead
Killer wit the beat, I know killers in the street
Wit the steel that'll make you feel like Chinchilla in the heat
So don't try to run up on my ear talking all that raspy shit
Trying to ask me shit
When my niggaz fill ya vest they ain't gon pass me shit
You should think about it, take a second
Matter fact, you should take four B
And think before you fuck wit lil skateboard P

[Chorus]

[Verse - Snoop Dogg]
I'm a gangsta, but y'all knew that
Da Big Bo$$ Dogg, yeah I had to do that
I keep a blue flag hanging out my backside
But only on the left side, yeah that's the Crip side
Ain't no other way to play the game the way I play
I cut so much you thought I was a DJ
[scratches] "two!" - "one!" - "yep, three!"
S-N double O-P, D-O double G
I can't fake it, just break it, and when I take it
See I specialize in making all the girls get naked
So bring your friends, all of y'all come inside
We got a world premiere right here, now get live!
So don't change the dizzle, turn it up a little
I got a living room full of fine dime brizzles
Waiting on the Pizzle, the Dizzle and the Shizzle
G's to the bizzack, now ladies here we gizzo

[Chorus]

[Verse - Snoop Dogg]
I'm a Bad Boy, wit a lotta ho's
Drive my own cars, and wear my own clothes
I hang out tough, I'm a real Bo$$
Big Snoop Dogg, yeah he's so sharp
On the TV screen and in the magazines
If you play me close, you're on a red beam
Oh you got a gun so you wanna pop back?
AK47 now nigga, stop that!
Cement shoes, now I'm on the move
You're family's crying, now you on the news
They can't find you, and now they miss you
Must I remind you I'm only here to twist you
Pistol whip you, dip you then flip you
Then dance to this motherfucking music we crip to
Subscribe nigga, get yo issue
Baby come close, let me see how you get loose!

6:34 PM  
Blogger Pamela said...

If that child listens to that garbage too much she may end up carrying a 'punishment'. That is past despicable and totally inappropriate for minors, especially a 3-year-old. I can only imagine some of her first sentences.

I would not advise it for adults either.

6:43 PM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

CB;"Come on allen, you know you have ludacris on your IPOD as well, stop denying.

Nope, no Ludacris... Hell, I don't even own an IPOD! Although I did find John Coltrane's "A Love Supreme" for my "8-Track" player...


CB;"Allen, would you agree that without the white demographic, Obama doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning?"

Without a doubt! I never thought he'd win a "majority" of the white vote anyway. For Obama to win, I'd have to place my bet on the McCain campaign exploding. (ie. a scandal of some sort, excessive senior moments, insane statements or actions, ect...)

CB;"The music is about killing other blacks, selling poison "drugs" to the black community, and treating women in general as mere sex objects,"

Funny you should say that...

According to an April 2005 Wall Street Journal article, over 70% of "Hip-Hop/Rap" listeners and consumers are white youths. Over 70% of the music industry is dominated by four company's, Sony BMG, EMI, Universal and Warner. None of these company's are owned by blacks, yet the white exec's recieve the lions share of profits.

A musical genre created and performed by blacks, targeted and condemned by various groups as "The Devils" music. Yet most of it's consumers are white, as are those who recieve the lions share of the profits. Did'nt the same thing occur with jazz, blues/rock and roll/boogie woogie???

Hip-Hop, or "Rap", whatever you wish to call it, in recent years has become comparable, or even the embodiment of a "train-wreck." That is to say that, you know it's tragic and those on board just might be hurt. Yet we continue to gawk while shaking your head proclaiming "ohh, what a tragedy".

Some how it seems that there is a method to the madness...

9:36 PM  
Blogger ...kyla said...

Unfortunately, this tends to be reoccuring trend with the Democratic party. Here let's pair our canidate with someone to gain youth appeal.Gore did it and lost. Kerry did it and lost. Get my drift. Someone needs to consult with the strategist on the democratic side and let them know that WE, the American public, don't (and shouldn't) want celebs running this country. America needs to get off their butts and stop idolizing these celebs that are ignorant and greedy and look at the issues once and for all. Forget the hype.Forget race. Forget the party label and evaluate the PERSON and the ISSUES.

12:16 PM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

pamela"If that child listens to that garbage too much she may end up carrying a 'punishment'. That is past despicable and totally inappropriate for minors, especially a 3-year-old. I can only imagine some of her first sentences."

I thought the exact same thing pamela. No child should ever be listening to that crap. Not only does this bring into question Obama's lack of judgement, it also brings into question is lack of parenting skills.

8:05 PM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

CB;"Allen, would you agree that without the white demographic, Obama doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning?"

P Allen "Without a doubt! I never thought he'd win a "majority" of the white vote anyway. For Obama to win, I'd have to place my bet on the McCain campaign exploding. (ie. a scandal of some sort, excessive senior moments, insane statements or actions, ect...)"

So you are admiting that Obama is internally a weak candidate allen? You have finally seen the light?lol
Obama will get a certain percentage of white voters. He's problem is with white working class moderate voters. Most hardcore white liberals will vote for him, they are the cross over Ron Paul supporters from a year ago. These young college aged voters only supported Paul because of his position on Iraq. If Obama didn't have all these radical black affliations, I would have to say that I might even be worried that he could win.

P Allen"According to an April 2005 Wall Street Journal article, over 70% of "Hip-Hop/Rap" listeners and consumers are white youths. Over 70% of the music industry is dominated by four company's, Sony BMG, EMI, Universal and Warner. None of these company's are owned by blacks, yet the white exec's recieve the lions share of profits"

I find that hard to believe allen. Lets face it, what do you think is the percentage of young black youths that listen to jazz, blues, gospel, or soul compared to hip hop? One thing you are leaving out is that there are many independent hip hop labels of there as well. I feel that if a survey was done of young black men in prison, it would be extremely interesting to find out what genre of music they listened to prior to be arrested.

P Allen "A musical genre created and performed by blacks, targeted and condemned by various groups as "The Devils" music. Yet most of it's consumers are white, as are those who recieve the lions share of the profits. Did'nt the same thing occur with jazz, blues/rock and roll/boogie woogie??? "

LOL, there is no comparrison allen.
Society back during the time of the birth of Rock and Roll was completely different. The times were more strengent. Rock and Roll was seen by the youth of that time as a way of "expressing themselves". Eventhough the music was considered "offense" according to society back then, there really wasn't nothing offense about it. Can you imagine if Snopp Dog created an alblum in 1955?!!



CB;"The music is about killing other blacks, selling poison "drugs" to the black community, and treating women in general as mere sex objects,"

Funny you should say that...

According to an April 2005 Wall Street Journal article, over 70% of "Hip-Hop/Rap" listeners and consumers are white youths. Over 70% of the music industry is dominated by four company's, Sony BMG, EMI, Universal and Warner. None of these company's are owned by blacks, yet the white exec's recieve the lions share of profits.

A musical genre created and performed by blacks, targeted and condemned by various groups as "The Devils" music. Yet most of it's consumers are white, as are those who recieve the lions share of the profits. Did'nt the same thing occur with jazz, blues/rock and roll/boogie woogie???

Hip-Hop, or "Rap", whatever you wish to call it, in recent years has become comparable, or even the embodiment of a "train-wreck." That is to say that, you know it's tragic and those on board just might be hurt. Yet we continue to gawk while shaking your head proclaiming "ohh, what a tragedy".

P Allen" Some how it seems that there is a method to the madness..."

Yes Allen and the madness is called "Selling audio pornography that poisons people's minds for a buck"

8:25 PM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

CB;"So you are admiting that Obama is internally a weak candidate allen? You have finally seen the light?lol"

No, I said, I think that he will not recieve a "MAJORITY" of the white vote. With the exception of Gary Franks and J.C. Watts, no other blacks have ever been elected to national office having recieved a majority percentage of the white vote. In your own state of Maryland, Michael Steele was unable to garner the 'majority' of the white vote, yet I would'nt view Steele as an "internally weak" candidate. Could the "Bradley Effect" be in play in both cases?

4:22 PM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

RB;"I feel that if a survey was done of young black men in prison, it would be extremely interesting to find out what genre of music they listened to prior to be arrested."

The results would more than likely mirror those of the "young black men" [age group] who are pro-athletes, actors, business owners, factory workers, laborers, police officers, army/navy/marine/air-force service men, farmers, astronauts, doctors, pimps, gigolos, hustlers, dog catchers... and on and on....

8:30 PM  
Blogger JMK said...

"No, I said, I think that he will not recieve a "MAJORITY" of the white vote. With the exception of Gary Franks and J.C. Watts, no other blacks have ever been elected to national office having recieved a majority percentage of the white vote." (PAA)


That only proves that whites are, as a demographic, more Center-Right and blacks are more Center-Left, politically.

Gary Franks and J C Watts are two of the ONLY American politicians to get elected from a district in which they were small minorities in.

Off hand, within my own life time, I can't think of any predominantly black district that elected a white candidate, so Franks and Watts are political, not merely racial abberations.

As to the Bradley Effect, there are two observations; First, just because a very liberal MSM sees a candidate as annointed (at least by themselves), doesn't mean that candidate doesn't have flaws...in both Bradley's and Wilder's case, very REAL flaws that had nothing to do with race. In Tom Braley's case he was a political liberal, who was reluctant, throughout his tenure, to condemn Louis Farrakhan, the Black Muslim minister who made speeches in Los Angeles and elsewhere that many considered anti-Semitic. He was also, for a political liberal, extremely business friendly - those last two issues eroded his support among Jews and other liberals of all backgrounds. Moreover, while Wilder was a Democrat in an overwhelmingly Republican state (greatly increasing the odds of his defeat), some of Bradley's own positions eroded some of his liberal support.

Second, perhaps it's true that Conservatives are more inclined to mislead pollsters, though I wouldn't either concede that, OR even consider such a thing wrong.

For instance, I remain a registered Democrat is New York City, BUT I am a committed Conservative, so I've on occassion voted for the Democrat I'd consider the weakest possible candidate when running against a Conservative Republican. For instance, I believe Al Sharpton ran in the Democratic primaries in 1997 against the eventual Democratic nominee (Ruth Messinger) and in that contest I voted for Sharpton, figuring he had no chance in a general election.

When polled, and I have been often, I do admit to giving some misleading answers, but I base that on principle, (1) one's voting tendencies, like one's vote is a private matter and (2) those who wish it to remain so, have every right to obfuscate those polls, rarther than abstain from them, as their abstention might make the ultimate outcome more realistic or reliable, and quite frankly, folks such as myself, don't want that.

11:58 AM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

JMK;"Off hand, within my own life time, I can't think of any predominantly black district that elected a white candidate, so Franks and Watts are political, not merely racial abberations."

For starters, Harold Ford(D), lost to Steve Cohen(D), in a 60% black district in Tennessee. Moreover, blacks have voted for whites since blacks were given the right to vote. Blacks have always voted for whites and will continue to do so. I'm sure there are more districts where blacks have voted in white representatives. Do some research...

JMK says"in both Bradley's and Wilder's case, very REAL flaws that had nothing to do with race."

although admits...

"Second, perhaps it's true that Conservatives are more inclined to mislead pollsters, though I wouldn't either concede that, OR even consider such a thing wrong."

"When polled, and I have been often, I do admit to giving some misleading answers"


So you admit "lying" to pollsters, agree that it's done by others, and see absolutley nothing wrong with it! Yet your "crystal ball" tells you race has nothing to do with it?

Let's see here if all this holds water...

JMK says;"Tom Braley's case he was a political liberal, who was reluctant, throughout his tenure, to condemn Louis Farrakhan"

Not condemning Louis Farrakhan prevented Bradley from winning the governors seat in California? Hmmmmm??? Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell praised Farrakhan in 1997...it did'nt seem to hurt him... WHY?

I'm sure there were conservatives in Pennsylvania during the 2002 governors race. How come Randell wasn't bombarded with negative Farrakhan press? Yet, any black candidate that even dares to mention "a million-man-march" or "NOI" is attacked. Hmmmmm?

Within all that lying and deceit, you expect me to believe that there's no racial component or racial bias at play? Nope, it simply does'nt pass the test! I guess most conservatives just don't hide it very well.

10:48 PM  
Blogger JMK said...

"So you admit "lying" to pollsters, agree that it's done by others, and see absolutley nothing wrong with it! Yet your "crystal ball" tells you race has nothing to do with it?" (PAA)


Absolutely! Misleading pollsters is fair, legal and "good", if by "good" we mean preserving the integrity of the electoral process.

I don't care, nor want to know how my neighbors are inclined to vote and I am certain that they are not entitled to know my intentions, simply because I don't want them to...and they're my intentions.

In the NYC example, yes I DID vote for Al Sharpton in the Democratic Primary (I am a registered Democrat) and since the entire field was liberal....I sought to vote for the least viable left-of-center candidate on the Dem Primary Ballot.

Ed Rendell praising the NOI's anti-drug initiatives and their respect for family - that's NOT going to be a political problem. Ed Rendell supporting the Aryan Nation's anti-drug programs and their respect for family IS going to be a political problem.

You know why?

Yeah! Ed Rendell's white and the Aryan Nation is a white terror group.

Likewise, Tom Bradley lauding the Aryan Nation's anti-drug initiatives and respect for family won't be a problem....his refusal to criticize black anti-semitism - HUGE political problem, ESPECIALLY in California, Florida and New York, where a disproportionate amount of any candidates campaign cash is going to come from Jewish supporters.....(or in Bradley's case), not.

"You expect me to believe that there's no racial component or racial bias at play?"

Uhhhh, I know that you're an avowed racial bigot, so I DON'T expect you to believe that. You believe bad weather is due to racism.

I just gave the case as to why a rational person probably wouldn't believe what you do.

10:05 PM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

Correction to my last post!

Cohen won over "Jake" Ford, not Harold. Jake Ford is Harold's brother.

Kudo's to my brother for informing me after reading my post...

10:45 PM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

JMK;"Absolutely! Misleading pollsters is fair, legal and "good", if by "good" we mean preserving the integrity of the electoral process."

Misleading the pollsters is a "tactic" to subvert the process. You're not telling a lie to protect yourself or anyone one else. You're telling a lie for selfish reasons, to appease your personal views and aspirations. As you stated, you're "lying because you believe it's good". It feels good to you to lie to pollsters.

Being that I'm just a comment poster on a blog, I see how you find it so easy to lie to me!

JMK ;"Likewise, Tom Bradley lauding the Aryan Nation's anti-drug initiatives and respect for family won't be a problem....his refusal to criticize black anti-semitism - HUGE political problem, ESPECIALLY in California, Florida and New York, where a disproportionate amount of any candidates campaign cash is going to come from Jewish supporters.....(or in Bradley's case), not."

Thats an entirely dumb argument. Anti-drug initiatives and respect for the family is not an Aryan Nation "by-product", it's an AMERICAN ideal! Even a homeless junkie would tell you he'd rather be clean and sober in a home surrounded by family. Thus, who wouldn't support it?

Comparing the Nation of Islam with the Aryan Nation, KKK, Skinheads, ect., constructs a false argument.

Most of the perceived anti-semitic, anti-caucasian rhetoric spoken by (or accredited to) Louis Farrakhan has never caused death nor harm to any white person nor Jew. Conversely, the KKK and other groups of it's ilk, have a "HISTORY" of murder, hate and destruction.

JMK;"Uhhhh, I know that you're an avowed racial bigot, so I DON'T expect you to believe that. You believe bad weather is due to racism."

I don't harbor not one iota of racial bigotry. I find it impossible for me to do so. And I would'nt lie to you if I held any prejudice against any other race.

I also don't play "I'm rubber you're glue" games.

9:04 PM  
Blogger JMK said...

Lying to pollsters is an American tradition!

I've not only misled pollsters, as I said, "i've voted for "the most unelectable Democrat" in a number of Democratic Primaries.

It IS indeed a viable strategy.

The Aryan Nation example is completely valid,as I noted, Tom Metzger lauding a white racist group for the few good things they do (which could be breakfast programs, self-defense classes, anti-drug, anti-Meth campaigns and pro-family initiatives, etc.) WOULD NOT be politically harmful to a Tom Bradley, but it WOULD be to a white politician, likewise,a white politician lauding the Black Panthers or the NOI for the few good things they do (which could include breakfast progrmas, ant-drug, anti-crack cocaine campaigns and pro-family initiatives) WOULD NOT be harful to a white politician (for the very same reason - it's assumed he opposes the innate bigotry of those groups), but WOULD BE to any black politician......see how that works.

I revile tyhe NOI and the New Black Panther Party and place them on the very same level as the Aryan nation and the NOI.

There is absolutely NO argument that there is any substantial difference between those groups.

THIS non-argument " Most of the perceived anti-semitic, anti-caucasian rhetoric spoken by (or accredited to) Louis Farrakhan has never caused death nor harm to any white person nor Jew. Conversely, the KKK and other groups of it's ilk, have a "HISTORY" of murder, hate and destruction," is proof positive that you are a vile racial bigot.

Your every post is filled with a deep racial animus and yet you claim, "I don't harbor not one iota of racial bigotry,".....I know, neither dose any member of any of those racist groups - the KKK, the NOI, the Aryan nation or the New Black Panther Party.

4:53 PM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

JMK;"THIS non-argument " Most of the perceived anti-semitic, anti-caucasian rhetoric spoken by (or accredited to) Louis Farrakhan has never caused death nor harm to any white person nor Jew. Conversely, the KKK and other groups of it's ilk, have a "HISTORY" of murder, hate and destruction," is proof positive that you are a vile racial bigot."

NON ARGUMENT???? That statement does not defend, nor falsely accuse either group. It's a statement of FACT! For you to assume that it's a "non-argument" shows that you are offended by the statement.

What you're "intentionally" doing is constructing an argument to suit, and favor, a context in which can hide your actual racial animus.

You're angry because you can't "PROVE" that NOI has caused nowhere near the amount of death, pain, oppression and destruction as the KKK.

You're "intentionally" setting aside the dynamics of both groups.
The KKK was founded on the premise of white supremacy, while utilizing violence, intimidation and oppression. The NOI was founded on the premise of combating this violence, intimidation and oppression.

"It is the system that promotes domination and subjugation. The prejudicial feelings some blacks may express about whites are in no way linked to a system of domination that affords us any power to coercively control the lives and well-being of white folks. That needs to be understood."
-Bell Hooks- (aka Gloria Watkins)

Your "revilement" of so-called "Black-hate-groups", is solely rooted in your "revilement" for blacks in general.

9:16 PM  
Blogger JMK said...

"The KKK was founded on the premise of white supremacy, while utilizing violence, intimidation and oppression. The NOI was founded on the premise of combating this violence, intimidation and oppression." (PAA)


That's a racist statement on the order of statemets like "blacks can't be racist because they have no power over others."

FIRST, "racism" is merely "racial bigotry" - whether you hate for no reason, or the best reason of all....and BOTH the NOI and the KKK claim to hate "for the best of reasons" ("the defense of their respective races"), when in fact, they BOTH hate for no reason.

IF there were some rationale for "defensive black bigotry," that would also rationalize "defensive (or pre-empitory) white bigotry.

There isn't, despite the fact that there are no shortage of Gloria Watkins on both sides...and they're equally right, which is to say, equally wrong in their thinking.

1:59 PM  

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