Old fools don't die, they just deliver benedictions at inaugrations.
I'll keep saying it and saying it and saying it. Much of the racism among blacks towards other races stem from the morally corrupt black churches and fake pastors. I won't say most of them are, but there are a lot of black churches that are breeding grounds for preaching "hate" instead of "love" toward others. I can talk about the fake preachers of scripture all day like Jeremiah Wright, Otis Moss, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and many others. I'm going to go back in time to when I first created this blog several years ago. They're was a black racist fake pastor that was the topic of one of my original stories. His name was "Joseph Lowery". Joseph Lowery is a black radical left wing hate spewer. Joseph Lowery delivered the benediction and used some race hinged comments toward whites in the form of a poem. Obama was seen smiling at Lowery's racist comments. I guess Lowery's words took Obama back to when he was sitting in the pews at Trinity listening to Jeremiah Wright shout similar words.
Lowery went after whites in his sermon, when it was whites that made it possible for Obama to win in the first place. I guess Lowery in his advanced age of ignorance has a problem letting go of the past. Regardless of Obama being elected, Joseph Lowery's mindset will still be compatible with most blacks that voted for Obama. Only when the race manipulating fools of a by gone era finally die off will racism among blacks towards other races finally start to decline. So far I've been proven right about everything I've said about Obama and his drones, Mr. Lowery proved me correct yet again. I said several months ago that the racist attitudes among blacks toward whites wasn't going to change with Obama being President. Those in the civil rights industry can't afford for blacks to believe that America isn't as nearly as "racist" as they perceive". Maybe one day in this country people like Joseph Lowery will be looked at in ridicule and not respected as a "civil rights icon" or "man of god". Hopefully that will be change I can believe in.
Lowery went after whites in his sermon, when it was whites that made it possible for Obama to win in the first place. I guess Lowery in his advanced age of ignorance has a problem letting go of the past. Regardless of Obama being elected, Joseph Lowery's mindset will still be compatible with most blacks that voted for Obama. Only when the race manipulating fools of a by gone era finally die off will racism among blacks towards other races finally start to decline. So far I've been proven right about everything I've said about Obama and his drones, Mr. Lowery proved me correct yet again. I said several months ago that the racist attitudes among blacks toward whites wasn't going to change with Obama being President. Those in the civil rights industry can't afford for blacks to believe that America isn't as nearly as "racist" as they perceive". Maybe one day in this country people like Joseph Lowery will be looked at in ridicule and not respected as a "civil rights icon" or "man of god". Hopefully that will be change I can believe in.
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 6:54 PM
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Amen!
I do believe Barrack Hussein Obama is just as racist as Jeremiah Wright and Joseph Lowery!
His hope and change rhetoric rings hollow when his associates bring us more of the same racial animosity between blacks and whites! Because of his victory in the election and the ugly bigotry displayed by(liberals) namely black liberals against all who opposed Obama I believe Obama brought about hopelessness instead of hope!
Obama's hope and change rhetoric is false advertising!
CB;"Joseph Lowery is a black radical left wing hate spewer."
Oh well, I guess I can say I saw it coming Tyrone. You've gone totally radical...
Rev. Lowery recites a silly little "ditty" in a poem, and you believe he "went after Whites" or was "attacking" Whites at the presidential inauguration???
The only thing you're right about is the fact that Rev. Lowery is an old man. He's an "old-school" guy with an old school mind set. Any one with "common sense" can see that Rev. Lowery meant no harm. Here's what I believe what he was referencing with his "Black Stay Back, White is Right" poem.
An old blues song by Big Bill Broonzy
Was it appropriate? Maybe not. But Lowery himself is from an era when songs like this were "mainstream" and sung amongst Black folk all the time. The song has nothing to do with "hating" anybody. It was just a song reflecting the era and time.
CB;"Maybe one day in this country people like Joseph Lowery will be looked at in ridicule and not respected as a "civil rights icon" or "man of god"."
I've said this before, and I'll say it again. Had Dr. King lived to see this day, he would be of the same mind set as Rev. Lowery and all others who participated in the Civil Rights movement. When you say that people like Rev. Lowery haven't "died off", you're actually codifying the idea that if Dr. King had not been killed, that;
1. King only became an icon/martyr because he was silenced. (aka assassinated)
2. Had he lived til this day, he indeed would be castigated and scorned as a "race-hustler" and "charlatan".
3. MOST IMPORTANTLY- Political opportunists such as the Republicans, conservatives and some "Democrats", would have not been able to "USE" some of Dr. Kings ideals as "sound-bites" and political "catch phrases". But sense he's dead, some political forces can mold and shape his legacy into whatever they desire.
Tyrone, can you name me "ONE" Black person alive today that was in the forefront of the Civil Rights movement and marched with Dr. King that you would consider a Republican and/or a conservative? If you can't, then what would make you or anyone else believe that Dr. King would be any different from what his "close friends and associates" are today?
And don't even try James Meredith...he's out of his mind! He supported the openly anti-Semitic, White racist fake David Duke.
My brother had a rather funny personal observation as to why Meredith became a Republican and David Duke supporter. He says;
"James Meredith developed his tolerance of racism by "turning the other cheek". Unfortunately every time he turned, he got 'smacked' again. All those whacks loosened his brain, and so, he's "lost" his mind!"
Tyrone many of the old guard have lost their way. Instead of maintaining the path started by Dr. King and many other people, white black and otherwise, Men like Lowery made Langston Hughes's poem a mockery instead of a fun-true idea, Blacks know what happened inside of the black world and some played on being victims instead of victors. Our insurance companies, NAACP and other business run by blacks used the colkor of one;s skin to determine whether to hire or not. I refused to be a victim, and made sure I was on the honor roll, perfect attendance. Still my own people discriminated aGAINST me more than the whites. We must admit what happened and still happens.
Nichele married Barack because he saw an educated woman and the darker skin color would advance his political career. I think he loves her and respect her thoughts, but in the black world that is called "lighting up the race".
Lowery was one of those people along with the Marxist "Black liberation theology" espouse by wright and others. He thinks by saying those things he is admired by Buppies and Yuppies, mostly Harvard and Yales grads.
He is an "ape" according to the Muslim world Barack ObaMA PLEDGED TO SUPPORT IF THINGS TURN. explain how Barack will allow it.
I mentioned this as perhaps the only real low point in the inaugration, but I don't expect much more from people mired in that time warp.
There was nothing really poetic about his forced rhymes....I mean, "when the red man can get ahead man"....what does that even mean?....but he tried.
Still, ever hear of Dartmouth University?
That's a pretty good school, right?
Apparently Joseph Lowery hasn't....a College initially founded to educate American Indians and to this day people of verifiable American-Indian descent can attend free.
Still, I can't get worked up over this. Joseph Lowery is pushing eighty years old. He is stuck in the days he considers his heyday - the locus of the Civil Rights movement.
It's kind of an irony that the mainstream Civil Rights movement (the Jacksons', Sharptons', etc.) ALL supported Hillary Clinton and the status quo, until it was clear she wasn't going to win.
Even then, Barack Obama never really embraced them.
P Allen "Oh well, I guess I can say I saw it coming Tyrone. You've gone totally radical... "
If listening to and analyzing what Lowery said is considered "going radical", in your eyes allen, then I guess I'm guilty as charged. Let me radical and post what Lowery said during the benediction.
Lowery "we ask you to help us work for that day when black will not be asked to get in back"
Who's holding blacks back allen?I know that is a "radical" question to ask, but can you give us an answer?
Lowerey "when brown can stick around"
Who's stopping "brown" from sticking around allen and how are they doing it?
Lowerey" when yellow will be mellow ..."
Isn't that a soda "mellow yellow"? I don't know of any "yellow people". If they do exist, I'm sure the evil white man probably did something to them too according to lowery. Maybe you can tell us who are the yellow people allen, and who is stopping them from being "mellow".
Lowerey" when the red man can get ahead, man;"
Even though Lowery is a hardcore liberal. He must haven't red the book on "political correct racial terminology for dummies". I guess the "red man" Lowery was referring to are the "Indians", but he should have said "Native Americans". I guess an old screwball lib can't learn political correctness. The question does present itself though allen. "Who is stopping the "red man" from getting "ahead"?
P Allen "and when white will embrace what is right."
Now we have arrived to the heart of his rant allen. What did Lowery mean allen when he said "and when white will embrace what is right? If whites voted for Obama based on their opinions that he would be a better leader then McLame, wouldn't that have meant that the whites that voted for him "did right" allen? I'm way to smart for my own good, and it always shows. What Lowery was clearly saying was that "THE WHITE MAN" is holding all the racial groups back allen. Anybody who's not blinded by Obana and is an ultra off the cliff liberals couldn't help not to come to the obvious conclusion. Like I said originally. There are blacks like Lowery that won't let go of stereotypes and bias regardless of Obama being in the White House. Now go radical on that allen.
P Allen "The only thing you're right about is the fact that Rev. Lowery is an old man. He's an "old-school" guy with an old school mind set."
Who's fault is it that Lowery isn't about to evolve his mind into a 2009 culture allen? The problem is when they're are too many blacks and even whites that have that "old school" mindset, they're are to many people around to pollute the mind of this generation which will teach their manipulated mindset to the next generation. Hate is normally something that is "thought". Some people like Lowery and Wright teaches their hate to people by using the holly book as a Trojan horse.
P Allen "Any one with "common sense" can see that Rev. Lowery meant no harm. Here's what I believe what he was referencing with his "Black Stay Back, White is Right" poem."
Really allen? So if a "WHITE" pastor was giving the benediction for a "WHITE" Republican president and would have made a poem saying that s" may black stay back" or " may black stop acting whack", are you saying nothing wouldn't have came from it allen? I remember when Trent Lott was destroyed by the media and drones for simply saying some nice words about Thurmond at his 100th birthday party. He said nothing racist in nature, but the media, pundits and blacks that were "outraged" didn't want to here anything of it. To this day they still can't remember what Lott said. They just went along with Democrats in the herd mindset. So you want to talk about "no harm" allen, tell that your manipulating two faced hoards on the left that always have no problem using the race card when they feel it can benefit them politically. As usual,I see through it.
P Allen "Tyrone, can you name me "ONE" Black person alive today that was in the forefront of the Civil Rights movement and marched with Dr. King that you would consider a Republican and/or a conservative? If you can't, then what would make you or anyone else believe that Dr. King would be any different from what his "close friends and associates" are today?
Octavius V. Catto, Roy Inis, Niger Innis, Herman Cain, Ada Fisher and Archibald Carey, Jr. There allen I gave you "FIVE" for starters. You really need to do your research Allen before putting yourself out there like that for me to show you up like I just did. You should know by now I am all about the FACTS!!!
P Allen "Any one with "common sense" can see that Rev. Lowery meant no harm. Here's what I believe what he was referencing with his "Black Stay Back, White is Right" poem."
like I said before, have the roles and situation reverses. Then see if the same equation with different variables remain "harmless" allen.
P Allen "That all those who do justice and love mercy say Amen."
What is justice to people like Lowery anyways allen? This fools should not be called a Reverend. He is sac religious to the profession of theology and an embarrassment to the Christian faith.
JMK queries;"There was nothing really poetic about his forced rhymes....I mean, "when the red man can get ahead man"....what does that even mean?....but he tried."
Of course you don't know what it means... That type of "poetry" is one of those "black cultural social canards." You know what I'm talking about...that "Black culture" that you believe doesn't exist...
During my childhood I heard and recited many little "ditty's" and rhymes about being black, growing up black, living black, and who's black. It was just something we did in our segregated neighborhood to past the time away.
JMK;"It's kind of an irony that the mainstream Civil Rights movement (the Jacksons', Sharptons', etc.) ALL supported Hillary Clinton and the status quo, until it was clear she wasn't going to win."
Indeed it was. I tend to believe that, from the moment Obama announced his candidacy, Jesse and Al were more disposed to rivalry moreso than being skeptical of his chance to win. They also viewed Obama as a "young upstart", and possibly an opportunist. Obama, nor his parents or family had any direct ties to the Civil Rights struggles. Obama had taken a different route to earn his way. To Al and Jesse, this is a guy who is not quite in lock step with their ideals.
Yet, when it became apparent he was going to be the nominee, they had no choice but to get on board.
anon "acks know what happened inside of the black world and some played on being victims instead of victors."
They also know how they treat treat bi racial children growing up in the inner city. Normally those children are mocked and made fun, but now one is considered "black" just because he ran and was elected to the white house. Former Mayor of Detroit Kwame Kipatrick called his bi racial opponent "The White Suburbs man".
anon "He is an "ape" according to the Muslim world Barack ObaMA PLEDGED TO SUPPORT IF THINGS TURN. explain how Barack will allow it."
The week before last, Muslim in Indonesia burnt posters of Obama because of the Israeli-Hamas conflict. Some of the posters had bullet holes in them. Of course the media didn't say one word about it. I doubt Obama will win over the Muslim world with empty speeches, he will try though.
JMK "I mentioned this as perhaps the only real low point in the inaugration, but I don't expect much more from people mired in that time warp."
It's really nothing more then hypocrisy at it's absolute lowest jmk. I've said on many occasions that Obama appeals to the lower denominator of American society. I'm not saying that all of them act in a repulsive and immoral manner,but clearly the actions of those that treated Bush badly does prove that.
jmk "It's kind of an irony that the mainstream Civil Rights movement (the Jacksons', Sharptons', etc.) ALL supported Hillary Clinton and the status quo, until it was clear she wasn't going to win."
In the civil rights industry, it's all about self preservation jmk. Jackson, Sharpton and people like them are clearly looking out for their own best interest. Remember that Jackson and Bill Clinton were pretty tight. Jackson was Bill's spiritual advisor or became his spiritual advisor after cigar gate was exposed.
"In the civil rights industry, it's all about self preservation jmk. Jackson, Sharpton and people like them are clearly looking out for their own best interest. Remember that Jackson and Bill Clinton were pretty tight. Jackson was Bill's spiritual advisor or became his spiritual advisor after cigar gate was exposed." (Tyrone)
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It comes down to old time "Union politics."
The Civil Rights establishment is based on the Union model.
The problem with the old school Union model is the key is to get the group (ie. workers) to think/believe the Union is representing their best interests, when the Union is REALLY only representing that organization's best interests.
The Teamsters work that way, so does the AMA, so does government itself, for that matter.
If it was a white guy who was making this speech, I'm pretty sure that they will tear him apart.
How is it that the Liberal media can let someone like him or "Reverend" Wright, Jesse Jackson, or Al Sharpton can get a free ride and not face repercussions?
Tyrone, you seem to be a reasonable person. I would like to see you confront these individuals and to tell them, enough is enough.
Of course, Pride being one of the Seven Deadly Sins, these guys would get so defensive and agitated.
Tyrone, have you lost your mind? Are you reading what I wrote?
I asked you;
Can you name me "ONE" Black person alive today that was in the forefront of the Civil Rights movement and marched with Dr. King that you would consider a Republican and/or a conservative?
-Octavius V. Catto lived and died before Dr. King was born.
-Roy Inis, once elected as the chairman of CORE in 1968, moved the organization into Republican politics. Innis himself says he voted for Nixon in the 68 and 72 elections.
-Niger Innis, graduated from college in 1990, so I would suspect that he was about 2, perhaps 3 years old when Dr. King died.
-Herman Cain, to the best of my knowledge, and from all the books I've read about Dr. Kings life, was never mentioned as even knowing Dr. King.
-Ada Fisher, and her entire family dating back to grandfather were Republicans.
-Archibald Carey Jr., is dead also.
Thus, none of your "5 starters" (barring Roy Innis's short and subtle early involvement with the "true" CORE organization) fit's the bill of being in the "forefront", such as Rev. Lowery, Andrew Young, John Lewis, Jesse Jackson, Julian Bond, Bob Moses, hell, I even throw in Bobby Rush. Furthermore, I said "alive today", meaning alive like "REV. LOWERY", so that a comparison could be made, and yet, you put "TWO DEAD FIGURES ON YOUR LIST"????
CB said;"You really need to do your research Allen before putting yourself out there like that for me to show you up like I just did. You should know by now I am all about the FACTS!!!"
Tyrone, why would you need, and what good are the "facts", if you've already made up your mind??
The point to my initial question was to show and "prove" the point that Dr. King and Rev. Lowery are, (and/or were), no different in their idea's then, and what they would be,(and/or are), now.
Instead of attempting to "skirt" and spin this issue Tyrone, take it on and admit it.
-Dr. King was more radical that Lowery ever was or could be. Dr. King stated more that once that the vast majority White Americans were racist.
-Dr. King was a strong proponent for black and slave reparations.
-Dr. King was anti-militaristic and spoke out in "DAMNATION" of U.S. involvement in any other countries affairs from Vietnam to Cuba.
-Dr. King never publicly rejected the notion of abortion. Yet, we know that he accepted the Margret Sanger award and spoke positively of Planned Parenthood
-Dr. King had "COMMUNIST" party members on his staff.
-Dr. King had a publicly known and OPENLY homosexual man as a chief adviser.
-Dr. King on many occasions referred to himself as a "Democratic Socialist".
Everything you "claim" that Barack Obama is, we know for a fact Dr. King was! But you hate Obama???
A quick addition to my other post's....
My brother,(in his infinite wisdom) had this to say about the idea of a White man reciting the same poem as Rev. Lowery. When asked would he be appalled if a White guy said it, he replied;
"Hell no, I wouldn't be angry. As a matter of fact, I would love to hear a white guy say, " when Whites do whats right"!!!
Tyrone, I agree with you about the so-called men of god, which god I say. When the KKk served God, they said the same thing and it was hate speech. Now backs and others say the exact same crap and it is overlooked.
The true God has nothing to do with it. No where in the Bible does it say hate Blacks and Whites. The Bible said there is no difference between Jews or Gentiles, master or slave.
The Quran and the Talmud says difference. Animists do too.
The Black theologians have left common sense and embraced the communist agenda without even knowing what they do. It is all under the NOI doctrine of hate. After Dr. King died, the radical Blacks moved in and pretended to be for the People. "Down with the People" I was told and heard, when it was really "Show Me the Money" Booker T. Washington said the race hustlers had already begun right after slavery and the NAACP, which basically started out as a Marxist theology under W.E. Dubois. Most Blacks joined, including myself, because we BELIEVED. The NAACP, the Black Church has DECEIVED, been deceived, and now suffering from the results of deception. I feel no compassion for people who cry for Hamas and not for the 2 million blacks murdered and enslaved in the Sudan under the pretense of Ethnic cleansing aka genocide by Arab Muslims in DARFUR.
This is the FINAL SOLUTION to free Sudan of the blu-black peoples who have lived in Sudan for thousand of years. Not one peep from Al, Jesse or Farrakhan, complete indifference. The Bald Eagle did try but met with much discouragement because of the Islamic Connections of the aforementioned. This is so sad that in 2009, Blacks remain quiet when the same people who started the slave trade they pretend to hate so much, are at it again and doing it right before their eyes.
700 years before any European man went to Africa, Arabs Muslims enjoyed the wealth of goods and human slavery. The EASTERN SLAVE Trade was worst than the Atlantic Slave TRADE from which American Blacks descended from. Over 100 million East Africans were enslaved by Arab Muslims and castrated all boys from 9-12 and killed all of the men over 12. Since the master waS ALWAYS AN ARAB AND HE SEXED THE LITTLE GIRLS AND WOMEN ALL OF THE CHILDREN WERE Arab. Mr Obama's father was considered an African-Arab because of the Arabic slave connection with the Luo tribe.
THE TRUTH MUST GET OUT BEFORE THE MARXIST HAMMER COMES DOWN AND THE INTERNET WILL BE STOPPED AS WE KNOW IT TODAY!
The Muslims are attacking Jews in the USA right now, next the Blacks will be next. Convicts are converting to Islam from behind BARS so when they aRE RELEASED THEY CAN INTIMIDATE AND DESTROY THE WEAK Christians in the Black COMMUNITY.
I guess I am wasting my time. African women and Arab men and women are warning us as best they can. Kola Boof said she was never going to stop warning America and the world. Black and Arab Muslims have issed death threats against her. She was once Osama's girlfriend, not a wife as she is black. and Osama only marries Arabs, so he said. He followed Muhammad.
Amazing why do Black men join Islam. Allah said they dont go to Paradise. Black Muslims dont get the 72 big breasted white women and 28 white boys who never bleed!
Hellfire was why Allah made Blacks and slavery to CaUCASIANS. Arab Muslims books say so. I'm angry, because the Muslims are planning to destroy my home, America. The good, the bad and the ugly, AMERICA IS MY HOME
LEAVE IT ALONE
I AIN'T WEARING
NO ARAB- DO RAG
ON MY HEAD
AFTER SITTING
ALL DAY FOR A WEAVE
I WANT EVERYONE TO SEE
Allah told you not to wear
false hair
not me
Allah told you AND THE HEBREWS
NOT TO EAT A PORK CHOP
NOT ME
ALLAH TOLD YOU TO KILL
ALL NON-MUSLIMS
NOT ME
IN AMERICA I CAN WEAR A WEAVE
IN AMERICA I CAN EAT A PORK CHOP
OR DRINK A BEER, OR SIP WINE
AMERICA IS MY HOME
I WILL DEFEND MY RIGHT TO LIVE HERE AND YOUR RIGHT TO LEAVE, OKAY
PEACE OR WAR!
TYRONE, you dont have to print and I will understand. It's just unfair that people who choose to come here after we have made the best in the world, now want to take over and destroy it.
paa: "Rev. Lowery recites a silly little "ditty" in a poem, and you believe he "went after Whites" or was "attacking" Whites at the presidential inauguration???"
What is the difference between a prayer and a poem to a so-called Rev. who doesn't know God? Absolutely nothing. They are both recited for the entertainment of the person doing the resiting.
"For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. (2 Corinthians 11:13-15)"
"Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: (Matthew 24:32)"
It's almost time.
Eric;"What is the difference between a prayer and a poem to a so-called Rev. who doesn't know God?"
They're no different than you....
I'll ask this question, yet I am almost certain that I will not get a straight "YES" or "NO" answer.
Did God tell you that he never met Rev. Lowery?
The only way I will buy into your "opinion" that Rev. Lowery does "not know God", is if you can tell me that "God" told you that Rev. Lowery and he are not acquainted.
paa:"I'll ask this question, yet I am almost certain that I will not get a straight "YES" or "NO" answer."
I'll provide a straight "YES" or "NO" answer when a yes or no is adequate to answer the question to my satisfaction. In this case you aren't so lucky.
paa:"Did God tell you that he never met Rev. Lowery?"
The Godhead is 1*1*1=1 in the form of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. When Jesus ascended into Heaven, he sent to Earth the "Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost" which indwells within all who follow Christ. The Holy Spirit is responsible for the Bible and providing spiritual insight to the children of God.
The Bible says...
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? (Matthew 7:15-16)"
paa:"The only way I will buy into your "opinion" that Rev. Lowery does "not know God", is if you can tell me that "God" told you that Rev. Lowery and he are not acquainted."
What you buy are choose to believe is completely irrelevant. If you don't believe in trains and fall asleep on the tracks, then your non-belief in trains will have no effect on the result of an oncoming train.
Does God know Mr. Lowery? Absolutely. God knew each one of us before we were born.
Does Mr. Lowery know and believe in God? Yes. "the devils also believe (James 2:19)." However, if Mr. Lowery truly loved God the he would not be dividing those created by God with a silly little "ditty" that he attempts to masquerade as a communication with Almighty God.
"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. (Matthew 7:20)"
Although he claims the title, Mr. Lowery lack of "reverence" is a fairly good indication of poisonous fruit.
If you don't understand, believe, or want to accept my answer then that is OK. I completely understand.
"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (1 Corinthians 2:14)"
Eric;"I'll provide a straight "YES" or "NO" answer when a yes or no is adequate to answer the question to my satisfaction. In this case you aren't so lucky."
Just as I thought... Because if you had said "YES", you would appear to be insane. If your had said "NO", you would appear to be a lying hypocrite.
Eric, what you fail to understand is that fact that you only have an "OPINION"! Your beliefs are just that, "OPINIONS"!! Nothing more, nothing less...
Mind you, I am not questioning your beliefs. I look at it the same way as you...what you choose to believe is, what you choose to believe! Rev. Lowery therefore get's that exact same right and option. If he believes he's a "man of God", who am I, you or anyone else to question that belief.
Eric;"What you buy are choose to believe is completely irrelevant. If you don't believe in trains and fall asleep on the tracks, then your non-belief in trains will have no effect on the result of an oncoming train."
Excellent point! Yet, I see where you're attempting to apply your beliefs as FACTS, without regard to the beliefs, or "non-beliefs" of others.
I'll explain...
The FACT is, if you were to "fall asleep on the tracks" and a train runs over you, it is CERTAIN that you will be physically injured. So, you're absolutely correct to say that what anyone "BELIEVES" is "irrelevant", because EVERYONE knows you will be injured!
You can't answer my question (that Rev. Lowery does "not know God") because you are not CERTAIN, nor can you say POSITIVELY that he does not.
So, there's one thing we "POSITIVELY" can agree on. If Rev. Lowery falls asleep on railroad tracks, it's CERTAIN that he would be injured if a train runs over him! Yet, I would pray that God would wake him up before the train hits him. Hopefully you would do the same....
paa: “Just as I thought... Because if you had said "YES", you would appear to be insane.”
If you would like to believe that the God of the universe who created the entire Earth in 6 days doesn’t have the ability to speak, and that anyone who hears God speaking is “insane” then I must disagree. As I said previously, “If you don't understand, believe, or want to accept my answer then that is OK. I completely understand.” Your inability to understand can be attributed to you own lack of faith because with faith comes understanding.
paa: If your had said "NO", you would appear to be a lying hypocrite.
If I said “NO” I would be lying. I wish to remain in God’s favor, so I don’t lie.
paa: “Eric, what you fail to understand is that fact that you only have an "OPINION"! Your beliefs are just that, "OPINIONS"!! Nothing more, nothing less...”
What you fail to understand is that opinions are not necessarily wrong based on the fact that they opinions. The validly of an opinion is related to the supporting reasons and source of the opinion. My opinion of Mr. Lowery is based on his own statements and actions.
paa: “Mind you, I am not questioning your beliefs. I look at it the same way as you...what you choose to believe is, what you choose to believe!”
I am not a liberal, so it doesn’t bother me if you did question my beliefs. Within the first 5 seconds of our last moments of our life we will know beyond all doubt one way or the other. I suspect that Hell will be full of those who decide to believe too late.
paa:“Rev. Lowery therefore get's that exact same right and option. If he believes he's a "man of God", who am I, you or anyone else to question that belief. “
Yes, he has the right to his opinion, but as some who reads and believes the Bible it is my responsibility to discern good from evil, and right from wrong. As a follower of Christ it is my duty to “Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. (2 Timothy 4:2)” I have accepted Jesus and therefore with the same authority that Jesus spoke to the Pharisees in John 8. I rebuke the lack of reverence of the prayer of Mr. Lowery.
Paa: “I see where you're attempting to apply your beliefs as FACTS, without regard to the beliefs, or "non-beliefs" of others.”
My beliefs are facts based on the 2000 years that the source of my beliefs hasn’t been proven wrong. What others believe or do not believe is irrelevant. To say that the Bible is wrong is to say that the God responsible for it is wrong. If one doesn’t believe God, then believing Eric when he speaks about God is certainly not likely.
paa: “You can't answer my question (that Rev. Lowery does "not know God") because you are not CERTAIN, nor can you say POSITIVELY that he does not. “
I can say POSITIVELY that Mr. Lowery’s statements aren’t constant with someone who knows God.
paa: “So, there's one thing we "POSITIVELY" can agree on. If Rev. Lowery falls asleep on railroad tracks, it's CERTAIN that he would be injured if a train runs over him! Yet, I would pray that God would wake him up before the train hits him. Hopefully you would do the same....”
I've edited your statement...
If Rev. Lowery ignores the word of God, it's CERTAIN that he will be punished eternally for his actions! Yet, I would pray that God would wake him up before he faces judgment. Hopefully God would do the same for you.
Eric;"I can say POSITIVELY that Mr. Lowery’s statements aren’t constant with someone who knows God."
Play the video again Eric, and then ask yourself, is it God objecting to what Rev. Lowery said, or is it you...
Eric;"What others believe or do not believe is irrelevant."
Then include Rev. Lowery with those "others"!!!
Include him because you now see that Eric says;"Yes, he has the right to his opinion"
and his beliefs...
Because as you admit Eric;"My opinion of Mr. Lowery is based on his own statements and actions."
actions which you have been to swift to judge as "ungodly"....
Eric opines;"Your inability to understand can be attributed to you own lack of faith because with faith comes understanding."
What you're saying is, that I, and perhaps Rev. Lowery, would have to hold our faith such as you, in order to understand true faith?? That idea is extremely self centered and condescending.
You know your bible, right Eric?
He spoke also this parable to certain people who were convinced of their own righteousness, and who despised all others
-The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector- Luke 18:9
You know the story.... right? If not, look it up and read it.
paa: “Play the video again Eric, and then ask yourself, is it God objecting to what Rev. Lowery said, or is it you...”
I think you confusing the longsuffering of God with the lack expressing an objection. God will express his objection on His schedule and not ours. He always did and always will.
paa: “Then include Rev. Lowery with those "others"!!! “
I do, however since Mr. Lowery’s comments have the potential to influence others then they are deserving of criticism. He has a right to his opinion, but he does not have the right say whatever he wants without others commenting on his lack of reverence.
paa: “Because as you admit Eric;"My opinion of Mr. Lowery is based on his own statements and actions." actions which you have been to swift to judge as "ungodly".... “
I don’t recall using the word “ungodly.” I believe I said he was showing a lack of reverence. A lack of reverence is in conflict with the title MR. Lowery claims.
paa: “What you're saying is, that I, and perhaps Rev. Lowery, would have to hold our faith such as you, in order to understand true faith?? “
No. It doesn’t take faith to know good from bad, right from wrong, or appropriate from inappropriate. Our conscience tells us right from wrong, but due to a sinful nature not all of us listen.
paa: “That idea is extremely self centered and condescending.”
There is nothing condescending about speaking out about an attempt to create racial division by someone who claims the title “Rev.”.
Paa: “You know your bible, right Eric?”
I make a concerted effort to read it on a daily basis, so maybe in a couple of hundred years I may begin to “know” the Bible as well as I would like too.
paa: “He spoke also this parable to certain people who were convinced of their own righteousness, and who despised all others -The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector- Luke 18:9”
There is a big difference between knowing the Bible, reading the Bible, and UNDERSTANDING the Bible.
First of all… Do you know why Jesus spoke in parables?
“And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. (Luke 8:10)”
Anyone (including the devil and his angels) can read and know the Bible, but the followers of Jesus are able to UNDERSTAND because understanding requires faith.
The Apostle Paul said, “Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; (Ephesians 3:4-5)”
If you truly desire UNDERSTANDING and you are not sure how to get it, just let me know. I will be glad to help point you in the right direction.
As for “The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector” it is a story about ones approach to God in prayer. It says that “…he that humbleth himself shall be exalted” so it would appear that you are not alone. Mr. Lowery doesn’t understand it either.
This is my last posting on this thread. I am done with casting pearls for today. Whenever you read the Bible, ask God for understanding and it will come. God can never lie.
Eric;"As for “The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector” it is a story about ones approach to God in prayer. It says that “…he that humbleth himself shall be exalted” so it would appear that you are not alone. Mr. Lowery doesn’t understand it either."
The correct assumption is indeed "humility." But according to the parable, one should be "humble" to what? You say;
"it is a story about ones approach to God in prayer"
I'll take his words more literally and find that the parable is about ones character and the qualities of humility and contriteness. It relates to how one recieve's righteousness from God.
Perhaps you should confide in your local pastor, preist or religious scholar...
Eric;"If you truly desire UNDERSTANDING and you are not sure how to get it, just let me know. I will be glad to help point you in the right direction"
Say's he who speaks of "false prophets"....
Eric;"Whenever you read the Bible, ask God for understanding and it will come."
I was born with the God given ability to understand his word. When I became old enough to understand it, the blessing of the ability gave need to not to ask, but to give thanks.
I said I wasn’t going to provide any additional comments on this thread, but I think a circumstance of this nature requires an exception.
I won’t argue that to receive righteousness from God only requires being humble enough to accept it and having faith enough to believe that you have been given it. Righteousness is a product of grace, and grace is a gift of God.
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2:8-9)"
Righteousness by an act of “self” would be self-righteousness and not righteousness by grace. To be self-righteousness would mean that one doesn’t have the faith to believe that the blood of Jesus was sufficient to pay the debt for our sins.
I also won’t even explain to you why my relationship with God doesn’t require a pastor, or priest but just one intercessor or advocate, and that is Jesus Christ.
The reason for the comments is to acknowledge a true miracle. While everyone else isn’t born with the ability to speak, feed ones self, cloth ones self, or properly dispose of our own human waste, paa “…was born with the God given ability to understand his word.” If I had been born with such a gift, I would have no need to waste so much time reading the Bible any praying for wisdom and understanding.
Since you have a “God given ability to understand his word,” perhaps you could help me to understand something…
In the parable of the “Sower and the Seeds” (Mathew 13: 3-23), do you recognize yourself as an element in the story?
In the parable of the “Wheat and Tares” (Mathew 13:24-30), do you recognize yourself as an element in the story?
Thanks for your assistance.
Eric;"paa “…was born with the God given ability to understand his word.” If I had been born with such a gift, I would have no need to waste so much time reading the Bible any praying for wisdom and understanding."
Eric, being that you were born a "normal" healthy baby, you were born with many abilities. As you left your mothers womb, and the moment god put the first breath in your lungs, that god given gift gives you the "ability" to use those same lungs you breath with today. The same goes for your brain, your arms, legs, fingers, etc...
Eric;"Since you have a “God given ability to understand his word,” perhaps you could help me to understand something…"
Eric asks;"In the parable of the “Sower and the Seeds” (Mathew 13: 3-23), do you recognize yourself as an element in the story?"
No...
Eric asks:"In the parable of the “Wheat and Tares” (Mathew 13:24-30), do you recognize yourself as an element in the story?"
No...
Any other questions?
I will defer on the opportunity to debate the differences between ordinary and extraordinary abilities of a "normal" healthy baby.
paa: "Any other questions?"
No sir. Your 'No' answers and the Book of Luke told me everything I need to know about your ability to "understand." Thanks.
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