The crucifixation of Rush Limbaugh by the race hustling prostitutes.
My thoughts on the fake outrage by the race hustling whores Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and other liberal frauds over Rush Limbaugh wanting to buy the Saint Louis Rams. If Rush would have kicked out a few million to Sharpton and Jackson, the controversy would have been over.
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 10:50 PM
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tHE PLAYERS BETTER BE GLAD THEY HAVE A JOB!
I seriously doubt that the idiot players that don't wnat Limbaugh as an owner of the Rams never even heard one show of his. They are just a bunch of herd following fools.
I think the Muslim Brotherhood has threatened the CBC. Muslim Mafia is a new book coming out exposing Muslims plans to destroy the constitution with Keith Ellison being a part of it.
I can't stand how Rush's purchase of a team has become political thanks to tools like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton I don't take those hypocritical knuckleheads seriously.
Why does the media give those charlatans any credibility?
Those clowns are always silent about violence against black women.
They always come to the defense of criminals too!
The Tawana Brawley case doesn't count because Tawana isn't a real victim of violence.
I'm referring to an interracial couple murdered by four black men and the Dunbar Village tragedy.
Also Poor Derrion Albert he's a black youth who was killed by other blacks in Chicago.
The most sickening thing of all is the thugs who attacked a mother and son in Dunbar village got Al Sharpton and Jesse coming to their defense while the mother and son are left high and dry.
Frankly I have nothing against Limbaugh owning an NFL team. Sports team ownership is very lucrative investment.
Yet that doesn't negate the FACT that Limbaugh is a lying racist drug addict bastard. The NFL players union issued this comment;
"But sport in America is at its best when it unifies, gives all of us reason to cheer, and when it transcends. Our sport does exactly that when it overcomes division and rejects discrimination and hatred".
Several players also voiced their dissatisfaction with the idea of Limbaugh becoming an owner in the NFL. Some even said they would not play for a team if he owned it. After all, it's the players, not the owners, who make the NFL what it is...
BTW...."crucifixation???" I guess we all know who "your" messiah is now!
p allen "Yet that doesn't negate the FACT that Limbaugh is a lying racist drug addict bastard. The NFL players union issued this comment;"
You must didn't watch my video allen. Labeling a person something and proving they are what you labeled them are two different things. Just prove what Limbaugh said as being racist. Let me approach this from a different perspective. Why would I as a black man support Rush Limbaugh, if I truly thought he was a racist allen? Please use your brain matter and process that question. Most of the people who calls Rush a racist has never even listened to his show!! They are going by second hand information. In a pathetic attempt to sound cool or hanging with the "in" crowd, they will agree with what the other person says. Did Rush Limbaugh ever say that a black person shouldn't be an NFL Quarterback? Did Limbaugh ever say that McNabe couldn't excel at the quarterback position because he was black? These are racist statements. Did Limbaugh ever make them? Do you consider hymmey Jackson and anti Semite allen?
I had a dream one night that I set Al Sharpton's Jerry Curl on fire. lol
p allen ""But sport in America is at its best when it unifies, gives all of us reason to cheer, and when it transcends. Our sport does exactly that when it overcomes division and rejects discrimination and hatred".
Unifying allen?, don't make me throw up. How in the bloody hell are people like Jackson and Sharpton unifiers? It could have been another conservative who wanted to buy the rams, and this would have still happened. Use your brain allen!! The message is that
"conservatives need not apply for NFL ownership"
that is some unification there allen. The simple aspect is that the NFL don't want anyone who doesn't think like them. They are anti diversity of ideology. The fans of the NFL are of all different races and political affiliations. What would happen allen if I was trying to buy the rams, and it came out that I was say a close friend of Rush Limbaugh, what names would the "unifiers" be calling me? So don't give me that mess. That is like saying that liberals are tolerant of diverse views, that theory was shot to hell quick with how Limbaugh was treated.
El Rushbo, the media whore, played this one perfectly once again. Got himself in the headlines so he and his flock of sheep could portray the rich white guy as a victim in "Obama's America."
Did he really believe he had a snowball's chance in Hell at becoming an investor in a pro football team? Don't make me laugh.
The man's a billionare. He could afford to be the sole majority owner of any team, if that's what he really wanted.
Instead, he brilliantly accepted an opportunity to be the passive victim, and he's milking it for all its worth.
Bravo, El Rushbo! Bravo!
CB;"Why would I as a black man support Rush Limbaugh, if I truly thought he was a racist allen?".
In most case's I would say because that Black man didn't know any better. In your case I'd say because he's fooled you. You want to view your politics from a conservative ideology...that perfectly fine. I might want to keep a snake as a pet. Yet I'd have to realize that it's still a snake, and could very well harm me. What you "don't" have to do is by into all of the conservative BS!
Conservatives like Limbaugh are entertainers. While they're entertaining, an entertainer try's not to show his true self. At time's he might slip out of character, but his aim is to impress those who are willing to listen.
Here are the Top Ten Racist Quotes made by Limbaugh. You can choose to believe them, or not.
Limbaugh has denied making "some" of them, but if he were truly concerned about his "diverse" image he could sue the pants off of those who wrote about him.
anon "El Rushbo, the media whore, played this one perfectly once again. Got himself in the headlines so he and his flock of sheep could portray the rich white guy as a victim in "Obama's America."
Thats so mature. Thanks for the laugh. The flock of sheep I'm looking at that are afraid that Limbaugh is a some racist conservative boogeyman. Fear and ignorance is a poor substitue for analytical thinking and commons sense. I don't know how liberals survive.In Obama's America, people overreact to people who don't share their way of thinking. Do you care that Rush is a "rich white guy". What does the racial and financial status of a person has to with anything? What is the difference between a rich white guy and a rich black guy? Bring me up to speed.
p allen "In most case's I would say because that Black man didn't know any better. In your case I'd say because he's fooled you."
If I was only that naive to be fooled allen unlike yourself. People that are analytical can't be fooled. People like yourself who thinks with emotion can be lead like dog on a leash all day long allen. I was told that Rush was a racist before I even started listening to him. I was told that all conservative talk show hosts were racists. Then again, I was also taught that Santa Clause was real too. I listened to Rush expecting to hear racist spew against blacks. Day after day, week after week and year after year the hate speech never materialized. As I listened to Limbaugh I realized that he wasn't a racist. He was labeled a racist merely because he is a conservative. That is the gist of it all. To a liberal, anyone who is a conservative is automatically branded a racist whether it is true or not. Thats why the racist brand has become so diluted. The evidence that Rush Limbaugh doesn't like blacks has yet to be presented. The person who runs his show is a BLACK MAN "Bob Snerdly". A true racist wouldn't want to have a black person running their business. Clarance Thomas performed the wedding ceremony between himself and his last wife. They have been good friends for over 20 years. While liberals were using racist words against Thomas, it was Limbaugh that was defending him. Like I said before, I know how a liberal's mind works. I've been their and done that allen. If you found out that Rush isn't a racist, your whole world you built up about how liberalism is so just and grand and how conservatism is bigoted and evil would collapse. No wonder you think the way you do. Keep sticking your fingers in your ears and going la la la.
p allen "You want to view your politics from a conservative ideology...that perfectly fine. I might want to keep a snake as a pet. Yet I'd have to realize that it's still a snake, and could very well harm me. What you "don't" have to do is by into all of the conservative BS!"
Through your eyes every pet is a snake allen. I don't judge people based on feelings. I judge them based on facts. I don't support every person that calls them self a conservative. I bet when you saw the Missouri Democrat ad about, "If you don't vote Democrat, you allow for another cross to burn" you took it seriously allen. Vote or Die.lol
Can let those crosses to burn allen ;-)
Don't worry, I'll make sure the evil Rushie doesn't get you.
p allen "Conservatives like Limbaugh are entertainers. While they're entertaining, an entertainer try's not to show his true self. At time's he might slip out of character, but his aim is to impress those who are willing to listen."
If Limbaugh is just an entertainer, why are you liberals so fearful of what he says or does? It's just an act right? Are you still waiting for him to slip out of character? Where is the true Rush Limbaugh allen? 21 years and counting and the smoking gun has yet to be presented. Also, do you keep snakes like Sharpton, Jackson, Farrakhan, Wright, Moss as pets allen?
Some days I feel like I'm living in a zombie movie,and I'm one of the few who isn't not a zombie. Fear is a powerful emotion, but fear isn't intelligence.
Hey Conservative Brother, you make me feel as if there is hope in the black community. Do they have any idea how many millions of us conservative "White" folks have been standing side by side with the black community all our lives??? I feel like I've been stabbed in the back by the same ones I've been defending all my life. Thank God there is some sanity in this world! Press on Brother!
Mark
>>>What is the difference between a rich white guy and a rich black guy? Bring me up to speed.<<<
??
Don't ask me, ask a Baltimore cabbie at 2 a.m.
If you're really that clueless, I don't know what to tell you, man.
It’s a true shame that El Rushbo’s “dream” to own an NFL team got sacked by Jackson & Sharpton before it even took the field …
Because I would’ve loved to have learned exactly why Limbaugh “loves” the NFL.
Does he love the salary cap? (Communism.)
Does he love TV revenue sharing? (Redistribution of wealth.)
Does he love the Rooney Rule? (Affirmative action.)
Does he love the players’ minimum-salary guarantees? (Unions.)
Does he love the league’s strict drug policies? (OxyContin abuser.)
Does he love the NFL Draft? Where the teams that did the worst get first dibs at the best new players coming in? How fair is that? Why should the best teams get penalized just because they’re successful? Doesn’t that take away incentive from the best to keep trying?
So there’s no capitalism within the NFL. There’s no liberty. (Celebration dances & taunting get flagged.) And there’s no rugged individualism. (Try even looking cross-eyed at a QB in the modern NFL. Or at a punter. Or at a wideout. Flag. Flag. Flag. The 'ruggedness' has been squeezed out of the game.)
Why would Rush Hudson Limbaugh want ANYTHING to do with something so socialistic as the National Football League???
>>>Fear is a powerful emotion, but fear isn't intelligence.<<<
Tell that to Beck, Hannity, Savage ... AND LIMBAUGH!
Fear has made them filthy rich.
Allen Muslims crucify even today. There are pictures of African on crosses from Arab muslims. Romans did the crucifying, not Jews. Jews were mot allowed to do that.
Since whites support the games more than blacks what if the whites forgot to attend the games and the blacks dont get paid. What if they get foreign players and all whites and tell black to stop racism we wont hire black to keep peace. what then.
IT'S SAD IT WAS JUST LAST WEEK LOUD MOUTH LIMBAUGH WAS GLOATING ABOUT PRES OBAMA LOSING THE OLYMPIC BID.NOW FAT MOUTH LOSES HIS BID TO BE A NFL OWNER HIS BIG ARROGANT HEAD HAS BEEN DEFLATED A HAT SIZE.
mark "Do they have any idea how many millions of us conservative "White" folks have been standing side by side with the black community all our lives???"
These are the facts how I've seen it and experienced it. The left has put out the claim of being "tolerant, compassionate and believes in diversity". Their closed minded, bigoted and non compassionate stance towards conservatives of all races prove that they are merely the champions of false advertising at best. They remind me so much of the Borg collective. Liberals only embrace diversity when it is different racial groups being assimulated to their way of thinking. They can't stand diversity of views that isn't endorsed by them, that has been proven way to many times.
anonymous "Don't ask me, ask a Baltimore cabbie at 2 a.m.
If you're really that clueless, I don't know what to tell you, man."
I thought I broke my question down to such a point a child could have comprehended what I said. I guess some people can't basic thought that well. The statement was about Rush Limbaugh being "white and rich". My point was that the color of a wealthy person is irrelevant. A rich person is still a rich person whether black, white or whatever. Try to read this very slowly.Repeat until comprehension finally takes hold.
anonymous "Since whites support the games more than blacks what if the whites forgot to attend the games and the blacks dont get paid. What if they get foreign players and all whites and tell black to stop racism we wont hire black to keep peace. what then."
It shows how completely ignorant the players and the sports writers are. They have a problem with a white conservative being owner of a football team, but many white conservatives are the biggest fans of the NFL. When those oversensitive players go to cash their checks, the owner was able to cover those checks from ticket and merchandise sales from those evil white conservatives who spent their money to see them play. I doubt the players would ever consider given their money back to those fans on "principal" if they actually realized it.
broes "It’s a true shame that El Rushbo’s “dream” to own an NFL team got sacked by Jackson & Sharpton before it even took the field …"
Smear and fear tactics work everytime for pimp and hustle aka Jackson and Sharpton. They'll get theirs in the end. Karma is still a you know what
broes" Because I would’ve loved to have learned exactly why Limbaugh “loves” the NFL.Does he love the salary cap? (Communism.)
That is an interesting point broes. Rush does believe a person should be able to make as much money as the market would allow. The market cap system in the NFL has keep the game from becoming like Major League Baseball. Thats a good thing.
broes "Does he love TV revenue sharing? (Redistribution of wealth.)"
Rush has a problem with "Redistribution of wealth" from a government prospective. This is a private industry matter. I believe that Rush's passion for football blinded him to the facts that many of the business aspects of the game goes against his ideology.
broes "Does he love the Rooney Rule? (Affirmative action.)"
I doubt it. Rush would believe a person should be judged on their merits and ability and not just given a token pass based on skin color. All of the flap about what Rush said on ESPN about the MEDIA's handling of McNabe was overshadowed about what Rush said a few days prior to that ESPN show in which he said that blacks should be given the right to be interviewed on their merits and given a fair shot a coaching positions when they come available. Funny how the media and his enemies never brought that up.
broes" Does he love the players’ minimum-salary guarantees? (Unions.)
Does he love the league’s strict drug policies? (OxyContin abuser.)
Minimum wage workers are "unskilled workers". NFL players have a unique skill which demands proper compensation in the free market system as compared to a person working at McDonalds. As for the OxContin thing, can you give me the percentage of players that were hooked on it?
anon quoting me"Fear is a powerful emotion, but fear isn't intelligence."
Tell that to Beck, Hannity, Savage ... AND LIMBAUGH!Fear has made them filthy rich."
Funny but who was pushing the "fear" of Rush becoming an owner of the Saint Louis Rams? It was partially driven by the two race hustling multi million "fear mongering" fake pastors Jackson and Sharpton. These two people didn't make their wealth behind the pews in churches. They made their money putting the fear into corporations to fork over the cash or they would label their companies as being "racists". The fear business as been good for those two.
MUSLIMS USE FEAR TO DESTROY DIVIDE AND CONQUER. ALLAH SAID TERRORIZE THE PEOPLE.
RUSH KEEPS HIS MONEY AND PEOPLE WILL STOP GOING TO THE GAME WHERE BLACK PLAYERS PLAY, WILL IT BE CAlled racism. Will Al sharpton and Jesse Jackson pay them. looooooooool Fear of not gettting paid will drive them to common sense. How many blacks work for racist. Blacks join a racist church, religion, , gangs, and work for racists. Why dont they admit that they want to get paid. Not one has ever quit a job that was racist! NAme one who ever did. I know whites who did!
CB;"Did Rush Limbaugh ever say that a black person shouldn't be an NFL Quarterback? Did Limbaugh ever say that McNabe couldn't excel at the quarterback position because he was black? These are racist statements. Did Limbaugh ever make them?".
Did President Obama ever say he had a "deep seated hatred for white people?" Glenn Beck said it, and conservatives (like yourself) took it as truth...
You asked what has Limbaugh said to make me believe he is a racist. Well according to his own words I would say that he is!
Usually you address every statement made, yet for some reason you didn't comment on the "10 Racist Statements made by Limbaugh." Here's just a few...
1. I mean, let’s face it, we didn’t have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: slavery built the South. I’m not saying we should bring it back; I’m just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark
2. You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray [the confessed assassin of Martin Luther King]. We miss you, James. Godspeed.
5. Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it.
6. The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies.
7. They’re 12 percent of the population. Who the hell cares?
8. Take that bone out of your nose and call me back(to an African American female caller).
As far as Limbaughs comments about Donavan McNabb, his comment was totally unwarranted. No one asked Limbaugh about McNabbs "Blackness" and his record as a quarterback. Limbaugh chose to make McNabbs race an issue. (perhaps it was the drugs talking....)
At the time (2003) McNabb had led the Eagles to 2 NFC East division championships and was in the process of a third. The following season Mcnabb led the Eagles to the Super Bowl, but lost to the New England Patriots.
Click the link I posted. News One has a link to the source of each one of Limbaughs comments.
BLACKS WILL LOSE THEIR JOBS. HISPANICS MAKE UP 15% SO NOW 15% OF THE PLAYERS WILL LOSE THEIR JOBS BECAUSE OF THIS INSANITY RE: RUSH. BLACK RACISTMESSED UP AGAIN LOL WILL AL AND JESSE PAY THEM UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS.
I don't listen nor do I care for Rush Limbaugh. If he wants to invest in a football team, let him!
But these race baiters, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Don't like the idea of a person of controversy like Limbaugh to own a football team. Hell, if those two were to invest in a football team, I'm not going to stop them. I'll simply call them hypocrites.
If calling Limbaugh a "racist" is one thing, how does he compare to Marge Schott, the former owner of the Cincinnati Reds, whom made public racist, anti-Semitic, homophobic remarks? I can assure you that Limbaugh is no Marge Schott.
Oh, did anyone caught Al Sharpton on WWE's Monday Night Raw as a guest host? He was living the high life-like and had control of the show and assigning matches.
Though wrestling is fake and well scripted, suppose if Limbaugh was to guest host, would Sharpton and JJ have a fit over it?
When the Seattle Mariners were purchased by Nintendo of America, their CEO was a Japanese man. Many of the MLB owners did not like the idea of a foreigner (Canadian is fine) to own a Major League team. Was their objections "racist"? It was in my opinion. To allow him to purchase the team, he has to have zero involvement in the team.
If Sharpton and Jackson does not like the idea for Rush Limbaugh for owning the St. Louis Rams because of his political point of view, I find that hard to believe.
>>>I believe that Rush's passion for football blinded him to the facts that many of the business aspects of the game goes against his ideology.<<<
Then maybe Rush ought to consider letting his passion for the United States of America blind him to the fact that many aspects of our society go against his ideology.
Or maybe he's just not that much of a patriot.
PAA,
Uh, did you not get the memo? CNN has already recanted its claims Limbaugh said some of those quotes you attributed to him, especially the first one on slavery, and the Huffington Post deleted that quote as being attributed to Limbaugh, on grounds the person claiming that could not verify it came from Limbaugh. You got it from some book bashing conservatives, that offer no evidence he ever said it.
Liberals have 30 years and 3 hours a day worth in those years to find all the clips they can find, but they cannot find them, except for the few out of context.
And guess what? He is speaking in terms of what many conservative and liberal fans alike at the time felt- McNabb was overrated. Limbaugh did not make his race an issue. He said the liberal media made his race an issue by rating him alot higher than what he deserved at the time because of his race. He pointed to the Philly defense as carrying the team and he pointed to the fact McNabb's numbers are no better than at the time Brad Johnson, who by anyone's estimates is mediocre as QB and won the Super Bowl as a (white) QB because of Tampa's defense that had tons of picks in that game.
Yes, I do feel Limbaugh was out of line. What he said might be true, and shared by many fans, regardless of politics, but no player wants to be used as an example for that kind of social commentary, no matter how true it may be. To me he was out of line not for the race issue, but for simply singling out any player. Players in general are not social activists and don't speak their minds generally about politics. Taking a shot at the player, no matter how well-meaning it was to make a point about the media and not to be personal against him, to be is still out of bounds.
I feel the same way when Jenni Carlson made a juvenile article about a player in college, who like McNabb, up to that point, did all the right things and is a model citizen.
http://urbanlegends.about.com/b/2009/10/15/limbaugh-slavery-quote-is-bogus.htm
Limbaugh Slavery Quote Is Bogus
Thursday October 15, 2009
"I mean, let's face it, we didn't have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: Slavery built the South. I'm not saying we should bring it back. I'm just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark."
-- Attributed to Rush Limbaugh
An investment group trying to purchase the St. Louis Rams nixed Rush Limbaugh's participation in the deal yesterday because the talk show host's reputation for inciting controversy was proving "a complication and a distraction to our intentions," according to one member of the group.
That the famously conservative and outspoken Limbaugh thrives on controversy is beyond dispute, but on the flip side his high-profile NFL bid seems to have served as an excuse for a smear campaign based on various provocative statements attributed to Limbaugh, at least a few of which are demonstrably bogus.
One such quote that has crept into the mainstream news cycle, cited on CNN, MSNBC, and in several daily newspapers, goes as follows:
"I mean, let's face it, we didn't have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: Slavery built the South. I'm not saying we should bring it back. I'm just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark."
Limbaugh says he never said it:
"There's a quote out there that I first saw it in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch last week that I somehow, some time ago, defended slavery and started cracking jokes about it. And, you know, you say a lot of things in the course of 15 hours a week, over the course of 21 years. We've gone back, we have looked at everything we have. There is not even an inkling that any words in this quote are accurate."
The evidence backs him up. When Post-Dispatch columnist Bryan Burwell repeated the quote on October 7, he didn't cite a source. An editorial update posted one week later did: 101 People Who Are Really Screwing America (New York: Avalon, 2006), a book by left-wing author Jack Huberman.
The quote does, in fact, appear on page 232 of Huberman's book, as does another alleged Limbaugh utterance that is becoming almost as notorious as the first one:
"You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray [the confessed assassin of Martin Luther King]. We miss you, James. Godspeed."
Unfortunately, Huberman doesn't say where he found these quotes.
More from the article:
And here's where it gets really interesting.
The earliest attributions anyone has been able to find cropped up in a series of anonymous edits to the Rush Limbaugh Wikiquote page in July 2005 -- about a year before Huberman's book came out.
Thanks to Wikiquote's "History" feature, every edit ever made can be isolated and tracked. The slavery quote, for example, first appears at 5:53 a.m. on July 20, 2005.
It was followed a few minutes later by this addition:
"Was there any excrement, any shamelessness in any form, above all in cultural life, in which at least one African-American would not have been involved? As soon as one even carefully cut into such an abscess, one found, like maggots in a decaying body, often blinded by the sudden light, an African-American."
Which was followed at 6:01 a.m. by this now-familiar quote:
"You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray. We miss you, James. Godspeed."
The middle quote, the one likening African Americans to maggots, deserves special attention because 1) it doesn't sound remotely Limbaughian, and 2) one doesn't have to look far to verify that the tortured prose was actually written in 1925 by Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, p. 61), originally in reference to Jews, not African Americans.
What does that say about the credibility of the other two quotes?
In any case, all three entries were repeatedly challenged, removed, and reposted over the next few months, and finallydeleted for good on October 13, 2005 with the notation, "Removed fake quotes, including paraphrased Hitler quote."
A year later, two of them turned up in Jack Huberman's book.
Three years after that, the same two quotes reappeared on the Rush Limbaugh Wikiquote page, now labeled "sourced." Can you guess who the "source" was? That's right: Jack Huberman, in 101 People Who Are Really Screwing America.
If, as appears to be the case, Huberman originally came across the statements on Wikiquote (or some secondary source citing Wikiquote), the history of their sourcing is perfectly circular and Huberman isn't a credible source himself.
If not, it behooves Mr. Huberman to reveal where he did find those quotes, and why anyone should accept them as authentic.
10/16/09 Update:
Yesterday, Huffington Post challenged Jack Huberman to substantiate the quotes, which had appeared in a July 2006 blog posting on the site. He could not, and the quotes have been deleted from the article.
Also, CNN's Rick Sanchez has apologized for airing the slavery quote, which he says the network was "unable to independently confirm."
Here's the funny thing about the McNabb/Limbaugh case, a former (black) player Michael Irvin, who was on the ESPN show, AGREED with Limbaugh when he made those comments about McNabb. How come no one excused Irvin of being racist against his own race if we want to go that route of claiming racism?
And here's the deal, too- it would not be the last time Irvin said something no positive about McNabb's play as QB- he later on said in a quote, that led to TO being exiled from Philly (for agreeing with Irvin), that if it been Brett Favre being QB of Philly, it would be undefeated. McNabb would by the way use that instance to accuse TO (but not Irvin) of black on black crime.
I wonder how Irvin is feeling about all this now.
Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, on the other hand, have been documented as making antisemtiic and other racist remarks. They- and any players and owners in the NFL- that backed them are super hypocritical.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/limbaugh.asp
bLACKS WHO HATED ON rUSH WILL SUFFER MORE. NFL will now recruit more other races and leave the black players alone so they cannot be accused of racism.
Al and Jesse will not pay not one player.
Thuyen Tran,
Nice work!! I had prepared all of my rebuttal to PAA's claims and was about to save when I saw your posts. I see that someone else likes to to their research before refuting the false claims of liberals.
PAA, now it's your turn to respond to the facts about the Limbaugh quotes. Comments?
Frank;"PAA, now it's your turn to respond to the facts about the Limbaugh quotes. Comments?".
Sure Frank, I'd be glad to!
I said this from the outset;
Here are the Top Ten Racist Quotes made by Limbaugh. You can choose to believe them, or not.
Limbaugh has denied making "some" of them, but if he were truly concerned about his "diverse" image he could sue the pants off of those who wrote about him.
When I stated Limbaugh had denied making "SOME" of those comments that were attributed to him, I had already read his own reactions from Limbaughs website. Basically, I got it from "the horse's mouth."
In this case we have what's called a "whatever you chose to believe situation." It all depends on which side of the aisle you're on!
Frankly, I don't know for sure what Limbaugh said, or if he made those specific comments...I DON'T KNOW. However, I have listened to Limbaugh enough to believe that he does have a, "deep seated hatred for Black people."
Seriously though, as I stated from the outset, I have nothing against Limbaugh owning an NFL team. Sports team ownership is very lucrative investment. It's the some players and the players union that are against it. I'd guess that they see nothing good, or even beneficial for the NFL with Limbaugh as an owner.
So there Tran, your point's have been well taken. However, when I first read them I immediately wanted to hear or read what "Limbaugh HIMSELF" had to say. He denied some, other's he didn't. So, for me I judge Limbaugh on what I HEAR HIM SAY! Which is for the most part, a crock of racist BULL, hiding behind a cloak of being an entertainer... I mean seriously, you really don't expect him to openly admit he's a racist...do you?
PAA: Frankly, I don't know for sure what Limbaugh said, or if he made those specific comments...I DON'T KNOW. However, I have listened to Limbaugh enough to believe that he does have a, "deep seated hatred for Black people."
Me: Then produce the actual quotes that prove your claims, not bogus ones, and give link directly to Limbaugh's source and site so we all see the context.
Otherwise, your claim is taken as its usual- empty claim. Anyone can claim different from your liberal theology on race means deep seated hatred of blacks. It shows time and time again from liberals- their deep seated hatred of conservatives, especially black ones. Uncle Toms and the like are the norm that we all have seen from liberals on black conservatives.
CB;"Then produce the actual quotes that prove your claims, not bogus ones, and give link directly to Limbaugh's source and site so we all see the context".
Sure Tran! No problem...
Go here to Snopes.Com. They are a reliable source for checking rumors and urban legends. They also provide the links to the audio clips and direct quote sources.
However, the "get the bone out of your nose" quote, and the, "all criminals look like Jesse Jackson" quote, Limbaugh himself admits to making.
Of course he says that the comments weren't racially motivated, but as I previously stated, it all depends on what the listening individual chooses to believe.
Tran;"Otherwise, your claim is taken as its usual- empty claim. Anyone can claim different from your liberal theology on race means deep seated hatred of blacks"
Unfortunately you didn't get the memo...(nor the gist of the comment)
To quote the evanescent idiom of the persecutory and ever woeful blubbering Glenn Beck, "I believe he [Limbaugh] has a deep-seated hatred for Black people."
p allen "They are a reliable source for checking rumors and urban legends. They also provide the links to the audio clips and direct quote sources."
Don't make me laugh any harder then I already am. Where are the dates for those top ten "racist" comments rush supposedly made. Those are the same quotes that are circulating around the internet. Where are the audio clips of the quotes allen?
If any of the quotes were real and could easily be validated as such, the media wouldn't be retracting and backtracking from their stories like they have been over the last 48 hours. I have an idea allen, why don't you tell snopes.com to give a ring to the media outlets hand have them stand by the quotes if they are so "reliable".
p allen quoting a non verifiable quote "However, the "get the bone out of your nose" quote, and the, "all criminals look like Jesse Jackson" quote, Limbaugh himself admits to making."
Once again, what was the date Limbaugh supposedly said that allen? Don't come back with you don't know. If Rush would have said this, the media would have destroyed him for saying it would have had an audio clip of him saying it. Try again allen.
p allen "In this case we have what's called a "whatever you chose to believe situation." It all depends on which side of the aisle you're on!"
I chose to believe Limbaugh didn't make those statements, because the very media that ran with them are not tucking their heads between their legs and admitting that with their vast resources to do research, they are admitting they can verify it as true. So if the media can't verify any of, and the media hates limbaugh's guts, why should anyone believe otherwise?hmm
Having to smear a person as a racist is pretty pitiful. Some people want to believe the worse in people so bad that they will do anything to make an illusion of a person as real as possible. Truly racist people could care less who knows they are. If Rush was truly a racist, why would he bring legal action to defend his name? If this goes to court, then everything is going to be laid out on the table. Anybody can put anything out on the internet and claim it's true. Go onto youtube and what the dozens of edited 911 conspiracy videos. The people that watch them believe it there real, because in their minds it fits the template they want to believe. Dozens of people a day listen to Limbaugh's show hoping to caught him making a racist statement. If Limbaugh did make such a statement, it would have been caught, archived and media played over and over again. I can say rush called black people monkeys and then create a website and claim it was a quote. Some will believe it because they don't like Rush and think he's a racist anyways merely for being a conservative white male. Again, it fits their template. In the era of sites like youtube. A recording clip can be recorded. uploaded and gone world wide in a matter of minutes.
Another retraction, this time from Limbaugh's kooky enemies over at the Huffington Post
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jack-huberman/rush-limbaugh-is-still-sc_b_24724.html
Editor's Note: An earlier version of this post contained quotes attributed to Rush Limbaugh, which Limbaugh has since denied making. As is our policy when a fact in a blog post is called into question, we gave its author 24 hours to substantiate the quote. Since he has not been able to do so, the quotes have been deleted from the post.
PAA said...Frankly, I don't know for sure what Limbaugh said, or if he made those specific comments...I DON'T KNOW. However, I have listened to Limbaugh enough to believe that he does have a, "deep seated hatred for Black people."
I've been listening to Rush for about 17 years. I catch his show online from noon to 3 p.m. Eastern Time. I rarely miss one of his shows because I can always download it if I happen to miss it. I have never heard Rush be divisive or show a "deep seated hatred for black people." I find it difficult to believe that you've ever really listened to Rush any longer than to justify your own bias about the man. Your quote of Beck was taken out of context. I listen to Beck as well and was listening to his radio show when Beck was imitating those who were deriding Rush. Beck and Limbaugh happen to be friends. There was also a former NFL player on Fox with Juan Williams filling in for O'Reilley, now a Pastor, who is black and is also a friend of Rush.
ALLEN YOU LOSE AGAIN!
LYING IS PURELY ISLAMIC CALLED TAKKIA OR TAQQUYIYA.
sINCE dETROIT IS 85% bLACK, I SHOULD EXPECT THAT FROM A bLACK teacher, right.
Rush has done more for black people than Demaurice Smith of the NFL front office. He is a black man who denied Ruch and he worked for Obama.
What will happen is that black players will lose the right to play NFL. Scouts will stop seeking them out out of fear of being called racist. the blacklash has already started to happen with Socialist WH.
Allen seems to have a deep-seated hatred of conservative black men.
I don't know what it is, perhaps the notion that not all blacks pull the Democrat lever every election challenges his conception of the world.
Anyways Tyrone, great topic, you got a lot of good responses. However, there is somebody that I have noticed that keeps posting hysterical rants about Muslims that have nothing to do with the topics and if anything detracts from your blog.
Anaon it is me and the rants I rant on Islam is necessary as it is telling you that your girls will have their vaginas cut out and you boys will be castrated as Obama wants Sharia Law tobe in America and the constitution will be gone aND BLACKS WILL BE RETURNED TO SLAVERY.
Anon also if islam takes over america no sports will be allowed. no music either. Sharia is in the white house.
CB; Quoting Tyrone who obviously refuse's to accept the link I provided!!
"p allen quoting a non verifiable quote "However, the "get the bone out of your nose" quote, and the, "all criminals look like Jesse Jackson" quote, Limbaugh himself admits to making."
Once again, what was the date Limbaugh supposedly said that allen? Don't come back with you don't know. If Rush would have said this, the media would have destroyed him for saying it would have had an audio clip of him saying it. Try again allen".
Read the article Tyrone! It explains the "SOME" of the quotes were unverifiable. Others they were able to to verify. Those two particular quotes Snopes was able to verify from an interview that Limbaugh gave in a 1990 Newsday article.
As I said, "SOME" of the comments attributed to Limbaugh were "UNVERIFIABLE." Yet there are a host of others that can be!
Now, got to HERE to FAIR and click on the links to hear audio of Limbaugh's comments. He refers to candidate ABM as a "little black man-child." He made on Aug. 8 2008 radio show. Such a statement is definitely insensitive, if not, it shows an underlying racist spirit.
Frank;"I have never heard Rush be divisive or show a "deep seated hatred for black people." I find it difficult to believe that you've ever really listened to Rush any longer than to justify your own bias about the man. Your quote of Beck was taken out of context".
I'm using the "deep seated hatred" comment in the exact same context as Beck did... What ever context, or however you believe Beck made that comment, please apply the same to me!
Anon;"ALLEN YOU LOSE AGAIN!".
Let me guess...
Conservatives, "100".
Allen, "0".
right?
Anon, "The Sane One";"Allen seems to have a deep-seated hatred of conservative black men".
No, not at all! I just disagree with most of what Black Conservative me have been told to believe...
Anon, The Sane;"However, there is somebody that I have noticed that keeps posting hysterical rants about Muslims that have nothing to do with the topics and if anything detracts from your blog".
Anon, The Sane, "1",
Anon (a.k.a. Bebe), "0"!
Hide the vagina's!!!
Allen loooooooooooool
Muslims beheaded 5 more today in Afghanistan and 10 in Somalia. Ex-Muslims have asked Obama and Holder for protection because it is death sentenxce for leaving Islam. Onama and Wright have a death sentence on them. will you defend them?
Muslims 15
Infidels no heads
"No, not at all! I just disagree with most of what Black Conservative me have been told to believe..."
Statements like that confirm why liberals of your stripes have no business crying racism when they take such an attitude towards minority folks that don't think like them. By your rationale than certain things attributed to Limbaugh makes Limbaugh racist, that would then do the same to those things you say about black conservatives!!!
What you provided is a link that says Media Matters quote Limbaugh as such and such. Media Matters? Yeah, real objective source, NOT! I wonder why the site does not provide directly to Limbaugh's site to get full context or provide his full context itself (since for all we know Limbaugh could quoting someone else to disagree with that person). We all know the reason why.
I already know first hand the claims Limbaugh used the words Crips and Bloods as reference to race is a lie by race baiters attacking him (no surprise there). He was talking about classless mentality of many players in the NFL today as opposed to those as he pointed out by names, Marvin Harrison and Ladamian Tomlinson, as well as players in years past. If his point was to promote racism why did he suggest folks today in sports need to follow the examples of black athletes like LT and Harrison as well as many football players in past years, who were mostly blacks?
Media Matters and your source that rely on it did a complete hatchet job on Limbaugh along the lines of ESPN doing a hatchet job on Terrell Owens interview that got him exiled from the Eagles.
His point nowhere hinted at issue of race. It was entirely about class and sportmanship. Period.
"No, not at all! I just disagree with most of what Black Conservative me have been told to believe..."
Statements like that confirm why liberals of your stripes have no business crying racism when they take such an attitude towards minority folks that don't think like them. By your rationale than certain things attributed to Limbaugh makes Limbaugh racist, that would then do the same to those things you say about black conservatives!!!
What you provided is a link that says Media Matters quote Limbaugh as such and such. Media Matters? Yeah, real objective source, NOT! I wonder why the site does not provide directly to Limbaugh's site to get full context or provide his full context itself (since for all we know Limbaugh could quoting someone else to disagree with that person). We all know the reason why.
I already know first hand the claims Limbaugh used the words Crips and Bloods as reference to race is a lie by race baiters attacking him (no surprise there). He was talking about classless mentality of many players in the NFL today as opposed to those as he pointed out by names, Marvin Harrison and Ladamian Tomlinson, as well as players in years past. If his point was to promote racism why did he suggest folks today in sports need to follow the examples of black athletes like LT and Harrison as well as many football players in past years, who were mostly blacks?
Media Matters and your source that rely on it did a complete hatchet job on Limbaugh along the lines of ESPN doing a hatchet job on Terrell Owens interview that got him exiled from the Eagles.
His point nowhere hinted at issue of race. It was entirely about class and sportmanship. Period.
http://michaelinmi.wordpress.com/2009/10/14/rush-limbaughs-nfl-bloods-vs-crips-quote-in-full-context/
This quote has been completely taken out of context by the usual racists and race hustlers to smear Rush Limbaugh. Well, here’s the quote in FULL context. You can decide for yourself if it makes Rush “racist”:
The Classless NFL Culture
January 19, 2007
BEGIN TRANSCRIPT
CALLER: I’ve listened to you since September 11th, and I find that I almost always agree with you. I’d say I only disagree with you about 1.5% of the time coincidentally enough. But the reason I’m calling today, sir, is I wanted to get your thoughts regarding what LaDainian Tomlinson had to say about Bill Belichick this past week.
RUSH: Okay, I’m going to take your call, I’m going to use this to expand the answer to incorporate all of the National Football League if you don’t mind.
CALLER: Not at all.
RUSH: To set the table for people who do not know, after the Chargers and Patriots game, the Chargers sitting around moping, all depressed, because they had the game won, it was just all kinds of stupid mistakes, and let me tell you what happened. Some of the Patriots went to midfield where the Chargers logo is and started doing an imitation of a victory dance done by Chargers player Shawne Merriman after he sacks a quarterback. Now, here are the Chargers who have lost a game they should have won, who lost a game precisely because of the same kind of behavior they’re ripping the Patriots for, and LaDainian Tomlinson says that was classless, (paraphrasing) “We went in there, we beat them twice on their field and we didn’t disrespect them. This obviously comes from the head coach,” meaning Belichick. LaDainian Tomlinson was accusing Belichick of ordering his players and creating a culture that would make it okay for players to go on the field and taunt and so forth and so on.
Now, LaDainian Tomlinson to me is the classiest player in the National Football League. He doesn’t do a dance, he doesn’t spike the ball when he scores. He and Marvin Harrison are the two most classy individuals playing in the National Football League today, in skill positions. They just hand the ball back to the referee. They act like they’ve been there and done that, like scoring a touchdown is no big deal, they don’t taunt, they don’t act like they’ve been dissed or any of this. Let me tell you, the Chargers would not have lost that game were it not for a bunch of — I gotta be very careful here. It’s not just irresponsible, but there is a cultural problem in the NFL that has resulted in a total lack of class on the part of professional players.
There was a play where Brady was third and long, he was sacked, fumbled the ball, the Patriots recovered it, it will be fourth and long, forcing an interesting decision late in the game by the Patriots. After the play is over, a Chargers player gets in the face of a Patriots player, head butts him and starts jawing. This is the reason these guys are getting shot in bars, folks, late at night. Fifteen-yard penalty, automatic first down. So for the Chargers to complain about the lack of class by the Patriots, I found laughable. I think something ought to be done about it, because I love the game of football, and I don’t like the kind of culture that’s taking over, that “you can’t diss me, you can’t disrespect me.” After every sack, players are acting like they’ve won the Super Bowl, and they’re prancing around with these idiotic dances. The latest thing is to act like they’re making a jump shot in basketball. It’s all done to taunt; it’s all done to taunt the other team’s fans.
The rest here of what Limbaugh said, and what his point actually was (not one time did he refer to race, not once:
I don’t want boring football. I don’t want the no-fun league, but you can certainly have great football games without a lack of class. I don’t know how it’s been allowed to happen this way. I guess the coaches don’t feel confident to continue — this was very rare for the Patriots to act the way they did, and who knows what led to it. I don’t think of Belichick as that kind of coach, but Tomlinson’s words reverberated around the league. A lot of people said, “I’m glad he said something, because Belichick is getting away here with an image that he doesn’t deserve.” I’ve played golf with Belichick; he’s a mild-mannered, soft-spoken man. I even saw him at a cocktail party here in Palm Beach before dinner one night. That whole organization to me exudes class, as does Tom Brady, and you don’t see them doing this kind of stuff.
One of the reasons the Pittsburgh Steelers had trouble this year was a total lack of discipline, in addition to all their turnovers, total lack of discipline, 15-yard penalties, unnecessary roughness, taunting after plays are over, after successful defensive stands, they blow it. There’s something culturally wrong here that is leading to all this. It’s gotta be dealt with at the top, because it simply is classless. I can I understand LaDainian Tomlinson being upset because he doesn’t do this stuff. But in the current NFL climate the best way for the Chargers to prevent that from happening is win the game and keep this insidious, ridiculous, boorish, classless behavior to a minimum so that you don’t lose it on account of that. It’s just disappointing, and it’s a mystery to me why it’s being allowed to continue. Well, actually, I understand partially why it continues, and that’s because of ESPN.
ESPN lives off this. ESPN created Terrell Owens. Terrell Owens is who he is, but if Terrell Owens weren’t constantly on television with his antics after touchdowns — I remember, I called this. You remember the Monday night game on ABC and Seattle when after scoring a touchdown, T.O. playing for the Fort’iners, pulls a Sharpie out of his sock, autographs the ball and gives it to somebody. I said, “Folks, this is going to lead to nothing but trouble.” Everybody said, “Come on, Rush, lighten up, that was funny.” It was classless. Go back and look at the greats who played this game. They would not do anything of the sort, maybe hand the ball off, but not pull a Sharpie out. Everybody started to talk about how much fun that was, ooh, how cool, how creative. Then we get Joe Horn of the United States Saints after he scored a touchdown pulling a cell phone out of his socks and faked making a phone call. Well, guess what shows up on ESPN? So these guys get validated, everybody wants to stand out, they want to get endorsement deals and so forth. So television, making stars out of people who engage in classless behavior helps lead to it and contribute to it. No question in my mind about it. I’ll bet the guy that called from El Paso did not expect this as an answer.
BREAK TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: Look it, let me put it to you this way. The NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it.
Obama is soon going to block the internet. Talk radio, newspapers and education will be controlled by communism. Marxism is communism. Soon no sports, music, dance, radio One and TV one and Afro, Ebony, Jet will be gone. Read, Islam hates it all.
Black women will be forced to have abortions and gay men will have right to screw your boys and girls as Islam approved and so does Communism. Obama which means Osama in Swahili knows the deal.
PAA said: I'm using the "deep seated hatred" comment in the exact same context as Beck did... What ever context, or however you believe Beck made that comment, please apply the same to me!
Okay. Glenn Beck was being satirical when he used that comment. He was maing fun of those on the left who were deriding Rush. I posted that I happened to be listening to Beck's radio show when he said it. He did it in support of Rush. I guess that means you support Rush Limbaugh as well?
PAA said: No, not at all! I just disagree with most of what Black Conservative men have been told to believe...
This is another one of your divisive attempts to paint Conservatives as a party that hates black people/wants to control black people. Again, you made a statement - where is your proof? Provide some factual data and not from FAIR, which is (again) a progressive (liberal) reporting agency. From FAIR's webstie: As a progressive{see liberal} group, FAIR believes that structural reform is ultimately needed to break up the dominant media conglomerates, establish independent public broadcasting and promote strong non-profit sources of information.
PAA, you are so opposed to Conservatives and Republicans that you have never investigated your own political affiliation with the democrat party. Read this:
http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/pcism/sad_history.htm
One of many sources which debunk the notion that Conservatives and Republicans have "deep seated hatred for blacks."
Although this is off-topic, Rush was right about the "black-man child" comment. During the '08 campaign, the main stream media never asked Obama any tough questions about his radical leftist associates. As a matter of fact, the main stream media never asked Obama any tough questions at all. They never questioned his qualifications, his education or service to this country. Today, they still don't ask. It's sad that you have to rely on the internet to research appointees in Obama's administration as well as Obama himself.
p allen "Read the article Tyrone! It explains the "SOME" of the quotes were unverifiable. Others they were able to to verify. Those two particular quotes Snopes was able to verify from an interview that Limbaugh gave in a 1990 Newsday article.
Snopes? Why couldn't the media find these quotes allen.
p allen "As I said, "SOME" of the comments attributed to Limbaugh were "UNVERIFIABLE." Yet there are a host of others that can be!"
Why did you post the quotes that were "unverifiable" allen? You wanted people to believe rush made quotes and even you knew those quotes couldn't be validated. You are going about it the wrong way allen if you are trying to be taken seriously.
p allen "Now, got to HERE to FAIR and click on the links to hear audio of Limbaugh's comments. He refers to candidate ABM as a "little black man-child." He made on Aug. 8 2008 radio show. Such a statement is definitely insensitive, if not, it shows an underlying racist spirit."
The term "boy" is considered a racist term against blacks. Obama is black and has been called a child. If you consider that racist, then what do you think about Jimmy Carter calling Obama a "black boy"? So tell me the difference in the two statements from a racist prospective if you can. If Jimmy Carter the liberal Rush Limbaugh then?
Answer these questions allen if you please.
1. Did Rush Limbaugh ever say that a Obama shouldn't be elected due to the color of his skin?
2, Did Rush Limbaugh ever tell his audience at one time to vote for McCain because he is white?
3. Did Rush ever say that blacks shouldn't be allowed to become president?
Tran;"Statements like that confirm why liberals of your stripes have no business crying racism when they take such an attitude towards minority folks that don't think like them".
Look Tran, there is no denying that Black conservatives serve at the whim of their White counterparts. Name "ONE" Black conservative (not what you folks call a RINO, but what Tyrone refers to as a "true" conservative) that's holds been elected to national public office. There might be one or two, but I don't know of any!
So how can you or anyone else claim that Black conservatives run or control anything in politics or government...the FACT is, YOU CAN'T!! The fact is Black conservative politicians such as Ken Blackwell and Alan Keyes are lackey's.
As Ohio Secretary of State, Blackwell was key in securing the ballot box for Bush in 2004 by hyping an Ohio Constitution Amendment banning state recognition of same sex marriage.
Here's the rub... Blackwell effectively get's a conservative measure on the ballot to ban same sex marraige. The measure passes overwhelmingly. He now has run a successful campaign, and also national recognition for his efforts during a presidential race. Yet Blackwell runs for governor a couple of years later, and is "SLAUGHTERED" by the Democrat... in a state that hadn't elected a Democrat in a decade!
Conservative Alan Keyes...oh well..he can't even get elected as dog-catcher!!
Micheal Steele...even though some would not call him a conservative, know's very well whom he serves. When was the last time you appoligized to a drug junkie radio talk show host? For no less than calling him what he is...an entertainer!!!
Black conservatives DON'T WIN MAJOR ELECTIONS!!The fact is Black conservative weald no political power, no where!
So, they don't win elections, they don't weald power but they still tote the conservative banner...basically, that make's you an EMPLOYEE!!! You're being told what to do and say!!
Rush Limbaugh has dictated to black conservative's what he can say and how you should think about what he say's. He call's Blacks in the NFL gang banging bloods and crips, then tells you how you should think about it. He repeatedly play's on the air a clearly racist parody song [Barack the Magic Negro], then tell's you "it's not racist, it's just poking fun?"
He invents phrases such as "halfrican" and "little black manchild" to describe Blacks. But it's okay by Black conservatives because Rush said it???
Any part Jewish people here? Should we start to refer to them as "half-a-jew", or "quarter-jew." How about "little yellow manchild" for a Japanese American.
Moreover, Limbaugh was not asked about Donovan McNabb's race, as it pertained to his performance as a NFL quarterback. But you'll denfend his according to the context which he instructs for you.
Seriously, as a Black man did you ever think to yourself that, Donavon McNabb is overrated because he is black?? If so, then what players do you think are overrated becuase they are White? Latino? Asian?
"Seriously, as a Black man did you ever think to yourself that, Donavon McNabb is overrated because he is black?? If so, then what players do you think are overrated becuase they are White? Latino? Asian?"
There are liberal sports commentators that agreed with Limbaugh in 2003, given that McNabb's career stats up to that point were no better than Brad Johnson, particularly on QB rating. He was made out to be an elite quarterback when his numbers at the time did not justify that. It is true, is it not, that the media had issues (and rightfully so) then with lack of black quarterbacks in the NFL who are starting? Why would the media need to prop up a white qb and make him overrated for being white?
Maybe in boxing, you might have issues like "great white hope" which do exist from time to time from the media.
If Limbaugh had said Warren Moon (not just one of the best black qbs of all time, but one of the best qbs of all time, period) was overrated for the reasons he gave on ESPN, he would have been idiotic to do so. Moon's numbers for his career do justify the elite status he is given.
Can you say with a straight face that Brad Johnson is a good quarterback?
Limbaugh was pointing that out. And several in the media have admitted to that:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2089193/
http://slate.msn.com/id/2089193/
In his notorious ESPN comments last Sunday night, Rush Limbaugh said he never thought the Philadelphia Eagles' Donovan McNabb was "that good of a quarterback."
If Limbaugh were a more astute analyst, he would have been even harsher and said, "Donovan McNabb is barely a mediocre quarterback." But other than that, Limbaugh pretty much spoke the truth. Limbaugh lost his job for saying in public what many football fans and analysts have been saying privately for the past couple of seasons.
Let's review: McNabb, he said, is "overrated ... what we have here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback can do well—black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well."
"There's a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."
Let's take the football stuff first. For the past four seasons, the Philadelphia Eagles have had one of the best defenses in the National Football League and have failed to make it to the Super Bowl primarily because of an ineffective offense—an offense run by Donovan McNabb. McNabb was a great college quarterback, in my estimation one of the best of the '90s while at Syracuse. (For the record, I helped persuade ESPN Magazine, then called ESPN Total Sports, to put him on the cover of the 1998 college-football preview issue.) He is one of the most talented athletes in the NFL, but that talent has not translated into greatness as a pro quarterback.
McNabb has started for the Eagles since the 2000 season. In that time, the Eagles offense has never ranked higher than 10th in the league in yards gained. In fact, their 10th-place rank in 2002 was easily their best; in their two previous seasons, they were 17th in a 32-team league. They rank 31st so far in 2003.
In contrast, the Eagles defense in those four seasons has never ranked lower than 10th in yards allowed. In 2001, they were seventh; in 2002 they were fourth; this year they're fifth. It shouldn't take a football Einstein to see that the Eagles' strength over the past few seasons has been on defense, and Limbaugh is no football Einstein, which is probably why he spotted it.
The news that the Eagles defense has "carried" them over this period should be neither surprising nor controversial to anyone with access to simple NFL statistics—or for that matter, with access to a television. Yet, McNabb has received an overwhelming share of media attention and thus the credit. Now why is this?
Let's look at a quarterback with similar numbers who also plays for a team with a great defense. I don't know anyone who would call Brad Johnson one of the best quarterbacks in pro football—which is how McNabb is often referred to. In fact, I don't know anyone who would call Brad Johnson, on the evidence of his 10-year NFL career, much more than mediocre. Yet, Johnson's NFL career passer rating, as of last Sunday, is 7.3 points higher than McNabb's (84.8 to 77.5), he has completed his passes at a higher rate (61.8 percent to 56.4 percent), and has averaged significantly more yards per pass (6.84 to 5.91). McNabb excels in just one area, running, where he has gained 2,040 yards and scored 14 touchdowns to Johnson's 467 and seven. But McNabb has also been sacked more frequently than Johnson—more than once, on average, per game, which negates much of the rushing advantage.
More from the same article:
And even if you say the stats don't matter and that a quarterback's job is to win games, Johnson comes out ahead. Johnson has something McNabb doesn't, a Super Bowl ring, which he went on to win after his Bucs trounced McNabb's Eagles in last year's NFC championship game by a score of 27-10. The Bucs and Eagles were regarded by everyone as having the two best defenses in the NFL last year. When they played in the championship game, the difference was that the Bucs defense completely bottled up McNabb while the Eagles defense couldn't stop Johnson.
In terms of performance, many NFL quarterbacks should be ranked ahead of McNabb. But McNabb has represented something special to all of us since he started his first game in the NFL, and we all know what that is.
Limbaugh is being excoriated for making race an issue in the NFL. This is hypocrisy. I don't know of a football writer who didn't regard the dearth of black NFL quarterbacks as one of the most important issues in the late '80s and early '90s. (The topic really caught fire after 1988, when Doug Williams of the Washington Redskins became the first black quarterback to win a Super Bowl.)
So far, no black quarterback has been able to dominate a league in which the majority of the players are black. To pretend that many of us didn't want McNabb to be the best quarterback in the NFL because he's black is absurd. To say that we shouldn't root for a quarterback to win because he's black is every bit as nonsensical as to say that we shouldn't have rooted for Jackie Robinson to succeed because he was black. (Please, I don't need to be reminded that McNabb's situation is not so difficult or important as Robinson's—I'm talking about a principle.)
Consequently, it is equally absurd to say that the sports media haven't overrated Donovan McNabb because he's black. I'm sorry to have to say it; he is the quarterback for a team I root for. Instead of calling him overrated, I wish I could be admiring his Super Bowl rings. But the truth is that I and a great many other sportswriters have chosen for the past few years to see McNabb as a better player than he has been because we want him to be.
Rush Limbaugh didn't say Donovan McNabb was a bad quarterback because he is black. He said that the media have overrated McNabb because he is black, and Limbaugh is right. He didn't say anything that he shouldn't have said, and in fact he said things that other commentators should have been saying for some time now. I should have said them myself. I mean, if they didn't hire Rush Limbaugh to say things like this, what did they hire him for? To talk about the prevent defense?
PAA,
Pray do tell if Michael Irvin was a black conservative forced to by Rush to agree with what Rush said that day on McNabb? You know that Irvin did agree with Rush there and then, did you not? And it is not like it is the last time Irvin would say things where he did not think much of his play as qb either.
Your rant about Steele and Limbaugh is a prime example of what is wrong with the liberals in America today. They all seem to subscribe to the notion that if you are black, you must support democrats or else you are a traitor/slave. Rush had a problem with pain medication but you still label him as a drug junkie. What about Obama admitting that he used and sold cocaine during his youth? You claim Michael Steele serves as a slave to white conservatives but you leave out that Obama serves under the real liberal leader of the democrat party, George Sorous. Let's not forget about David Axelrod (another white liberal). He makes all of the major decisions in the White House that aren't made by Rohm Emmanuel.
pAA said: Rush Limbaugh has dictated to black conservative's what he can say and how you should think about what he say's. He call's Blacks in the NFL gang banging bloods and crips, then tells you how you should think about it. He repeatedly play's on the air a clearly racist parody song [Barack the Magic Negro], then tell's you "it's not racist, it's just poking fun?"
Where do you get your information? When or where has Rush ever told anyone what to think? To be clear, Rush made the blood and crips comments due to the actions of many of the black NFL players. They're supposed to be professionals and role models, yet they were getting arrested and involved in a lot of different crimes.
So, playing a parody about a black person makes you a racist. Does that mean that SNL's skit about Obama doing nothing make them racists? What about future (and I'm sure it will happen) skits on comedy channels that poke fun at the president? Will those be racist as well? How about when Rush makes fun of Bill Clinton? Does that mean he hates whites? How about when he makes fun of Harry Reid, Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi? Does that make him a hater of white men and women?
pAA said: He invents phrases such as "halfrican" and "little black manchild" to describe Blacks. But it's okay by Black conservatives because Rush said it???
Again with the liberal misinformation campaign. Those terms were used to describe one person - Obama. Manchild - a grown man who is immature. Obama typifies the term with his ongoing battle against Fox News. As a matter of fact, Obama has a problem with anyone who disagrees with him.
pAA said: Moreover, Limbaugh was not asked about Donovan McNabb's race, as it pertained to his performance as a NFL quarterback. But you'll denfend his according to the context which he instructs for you.
Seriously, as a Black man did you ever think to yourself that, Donavon McNabb is overrated because he is black?? If so, then what players do you think are overrated becuase they are White? Latino? Asian?
You really seem to have issues with Rush Limbaugh. You've whole heartedly bought into CNN and MSNBC's portrayal of Rush as the leader of the Republican Party.
Let me give you a prime example of democratic racism:
Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/22/AR2006062201474_2.html
From the Washington Post: (excerpt from a study of the Hurricane Katrina aftermath)… for Democrats, race mattered -- and in a disturbing way. Overall, Democrats were willing to give whites about $1,500 more than they chose to give to a black or other minority.
Yeah, those Republicans sure are racist aren't they? Going thing the democrats are there to look out for blacks.
Back to the McNabb nonsense you mentioned. I've been an NFL fan since the 5th grade (I'm now 41). I've seen some great NFL Quarterbacks and I've seen a lot of mediocre ones. I consider someone to be great or elite when they perform at a consistently high level of proficiency. So far the only black Quarterback that fits that description is Warren Moon (when he was playing for Minnesota). There are far too many white mediocre Quarterbacks to mention. McNabb isn't overrated because he's black, he's overrated because he's inconsistent and lacks proficiency. I think that was evident last year when fans were angry with McNabb's performance. They weren't angry because he's black, they were angry because he wasn't doing a good job.
Frank: Manchild - a grown man who is immature.
Me: I wonder if liberals feel Judge Joe Brown is racist since he used that term quite a bit to describe men (of any color) who refuse to pay child support, men who borrow from their girlfriends then leave them in debt, etc., etc.
Tran;"There are liberal sports commentators that agreed with Limbaugh in 2003, given that McNabb's career stats up to that point were no better than Brad Johnson, particularly on QB rating".
I didn't ask how liberal sport commentators think...I asked do "YOU" or have "YOU" ever thought to yourself that McNabb was overrated because he is black??
How long did Limbaugh have the EPSN job? A week? Two weeks? The fact is, it didn't take Limbaugh long to make a players "RACE" an issue. He spoke as if he was hired to "expose" some nefarious plot to overrate Black quarterbacks!!!
So who did Limbaugh expose??? Oh yeah that's right, "Da' Librul Mee-dee-yah." Rush really stuck it to em' that time...huh! I must have missed the headlines;
Liberal Media Caught Overrating Black Quarterbacks!
Tran;"Rush Limbaugh didn't say Donovan McNabb was a bad quarterback because he is black. He said that the media have overrated McNabb because he is black, and Limbaugh is right".
Plain and simple, Limbaugh made the statement because "HE" believes Black quarterbacks are overrated.
Who did Limbaugh point to as the source of overrating McNabb? ESPN? Sports Illustrated? FOX Sports? MSNBC? No! He chooses the all encompassing "Librul Mee-Dee-Yah" as his culprit...
And if you believe Limbaugh is right Tran, name some other athletes that are "overrated" because of their race...
"Plain and simple, Limbaugh made the statement because "HE" believes Black quarterbacks are overrated."
Plain and simple, as on any other topic, either you have problems listening to what the other side ever says about anything, or you are just plain dishonest. That was not what Limbaugh said and you know it, too.
He did not say black quarterblacks are overrated. He was only talking of one, that being McNabb, and he made a social commentary how the media overrated McNabb because it wanted him to succeed because of his color.
Tell me with a straight face the media never made comments before about the lack of black quarterbacks (as well as black coaches) in a league full of black players (and I agree the NFL DESERVED criticism for that). Limbaugh did not make these comments in a vacuum.
He was not making the race of McNabb an issue, in so much as commenting how the media did so.
And he did rely on facts. He pointed to the stats of McNabb at the time as compared to someone say, Brad Johnson. Please tell me with a straight face that Brad Johnson (a white qb) is elite because he had better career ratings than McNabb at the time. I can't wait so I can laugh at that.
So you are not even honest with your claims Limbaugh never used any sources. He looked up stats and defense ratings of the Eagles in those years and how well their offense did in those years as well as how McNabb did.
Tell me with a straight face the media don't make a race an issue whenever there is "a great white hope" in boxing. The movie "Great White Hype" did not exist in a vacuum.
So if it is racist for what Rush said, then I take it is racist if anyone state a white boxer is made out to be better than he is because the media wants white boxers to succeed? So it must be racist to make a social commentary on "the great white hope" whenever the media hypes one up, whether he deserves it or not?
Why not complain about Michael Irvin, a black ex-player for the Cowboys, who was there and AGREE with Limbaugh?
I forgot- it is the liberal double standard thing.
"And if you believe Limbaugh is right Tran, name some other athletes that are "overrated" because of their race..."
Not the issue. I did not say I approve of Limbaugh talking about any athlete, be it white or black, overrated because of the person's race. We both know it exists, in regards to different colors. How come the term "great white hope" comes up every now and then in boxing if the media is not obsessed with race and not hoping someone of a certain color of skin succeed at a role where the majority is filled with those not of that color? I am old enough to rememeber the media's rightfully lamentatins (which I agree with) of lack of black quarterbacks and coaches. Limbaugh touched a nerve in the media's there, and there is defensiveness on its part.
Regardless, no athlete should be made to feel like a poster guy for social commentary, white or black or whatever, be as "the next great white hope," or be it the "next great quarterback." If they are doing all the right things on and off the field of play of sport they are in, leave them alone. Yes, I am speaking my disapproval of Rush.
That goes for the media Limbaugh commented on about, and it goes for Limbaugh.
I was responding to your claims Limbaugh' statements are racist. It is no different then if anyone say a white boxer is overrated because the media wish to hype him up as "the great white hope." It is not racist if the statement is true. And even if false, it is not necessarily. The statement is not made of the person's color is reason why he is not as good as people say he is, but about the media using his race to hype him. That exists.
But that does not mean I think Limbaugh should have made that comment. Not especially on ESPN where it is apolitical as one can be, besides the "get TO thing" which shows ESPN at its worst.
If the media go full blown in hyping up McNabb as "the next black quarterback" as the best thing, Limbaugh can directly respond to those articles. But do it on his own time. Not ESPN's.
If it is something that media folks think and say to themselves and among themselves, and Limbaugh about it, as seems to be the case (and as admitted to by some folks), then let it stay private.
Athletes especially quarterbacks (of any color) feel enough pressure as it is. No need to put so much pressure on them to deal with aggravations and controversies they do not need.
....Wait a doggone minute..
I asked you;"And if you believe Limbaugh is right Tran, name some other athletes that are "overrated" because of their race...".
and then you say that it's;
"Not the issue"!!!!.
Tran, it's an issue because RUSH LIMBAUGH SAID MCNABB WAS OVERRATED BECAUSE HE IS BLACK! I didn't say it....LIMBAUGH DID! If being a Black overrated athlete is not "the issue", then what in the hell are "YOU" talking about???
Tran;"Why not complain about Michael Irvin, a black ex-player for the Cowboys, who was there and AGREE with Limbaugh?".
Should I tell you..."not the issue"??? Hardly... I'm a much better debater than that!
Why did Irvin agree?? Because, STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES!!!
Remember when Irvin made the off the wall and stupid "Black blood" comment about Tony Romo??? Obviously you don't...
Do you remember the APOLOGY he made afterwards? Obviously you dont...
Do you remember that Limbaugh said that he was STANDING BY his comments?? Ooooh yeahhhh, you remember that, don't you???
Both Limbaugh and Irvin made stupid commeents about a players "race", which were in my opinion STUPID COMMENTS! However, Limbaugh's comments were "typical" to his style and personality. (ie. "a deep seated hatred for Black people").
PAA: Tran, it's an issue because RUSH LIMBAUGH SAID MCNABB WAS OVERRATED BECAUSE HE IS BLACK! I didn't say it....LIMBAUGH DID! If being a Black overrated athlete is not "the issue", then what in the hell are "YOU" talking about???
The issue if you claim it was a racist remark and claim Limbaugh thinks blacks are inferior for playing quarterback on that. Limbaugh was not commenting on black quarterbacks but on McNabb and how the media's preoccupation with race led it to overrate him.
Tell me I am wrong the media is not preoccupied with race in sports. How come we have terms like "great white hope" in boxing every so often?
PAA: Should I tell you..."not the issue"??? Hardly... I'm a much better debater than that!
Me: No, you just have an inflated ego and view of yourself.
You made the issue of that Limbaugh was racist for saying what he did. Now you want to change the issue of what other folks are overrated because of their race rather than deal with whether or not what Limbaugh said is about black quarterbacks not making good quarterbacks or whether it is really about the media's preoccupation with race in general in sports.
PAA: Why did Irvin agree?? Because, STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES!!!
Me: But you won't call him a racist against blacks. Why?
PAA: Remember when Irvin made the off the wall and stupid "Black blood" comment about Tony Romo??? Obviously you don't...
Do you remember the APOLOGY he made afterwards? Obviously you dont...
Me: Obviously you are a bad mind reader.
I do remember that.
So how is what Irvin said that is seen as racist against white have anything to do with my point of why no one say he is racist against blacks for agreeing with Rush?
"Do you remember that Limbaugh said that he was STANDING BY his comments?? Ooooh yeahhhh, you remember that, don't you???"
Comments that there are folks in the liberal media ADMITTING to that what he said is true about them overrating McNabb because of his color, rather than his actually stats.
"Both Limbaugh and Irvin made stupid commeents about a players "race", which were in my opinion STUPID COMMENTS! However, Limbaugh's comments were "typical" to his style and personality. (ie. "a deep seated hatred for Black people")."
And your posts are typical to your style showing deep seated hatred for blacks who disagree with. Folks here believe your remarks about black conservatives are far more racist than anything you can claim about Limbaugh when he is read in context.
>>>I've been an NFL fan since the 5th grade (I'm now 41). I've seen some great NFL Quarterbacks and I've seen a lot of mediocre ones. I consider someone to be great or elite when they perform at a consistently high level of proficiency. So far the only black Quarterback that fits that description is Warren Moon (when he was playing for Minnesota). <<<
Whoa! Frank’s been a football fan since the fifth grade! Hey everyone -- we’re in the presence of an NFL expert here!
But Frank, while I respect your opinion that Warren Moon is the “only” consistent African-American quarterback, and that was “when he was playing for Minnesota,” I’m going to have to politely point out here that things were going on before you discovered the sport & Warren Moon, who was 38 years old when he signed with the Vikings.
Moon was recruited in ’75 by a bunch of D-1 schools, but ended up playing at West Los Angeles Community College because he wanted to play QB. The accepted practice back then was to convert black quarterbacks into other positions. Call it a “lie” by the “Liberal Media,” if you may. But for many, many, many years, the myth that blacks were not smart enough to be QBs or pitchers or coaches or GMs in the major sports leagues was accepted as a fact.
Moon’s ability at West L.A. CC couldn’t be ignored, and a few D-1 schools finally stepped up with offers. He ended up at Washington, and in his senior year he won the Pac 10 title and was named the 1978 Rose Bowl MVP when Washington upset Michigan. Still, NFL scouts told him he’d have to convert to tight end if he wanted to play. Moon didn’t think he was big enough for any other position. He knew he had a cannon arm. He insisted on playing QB. He went undrafted and played for Edmonton in the CFL.
In Canada, Moon won five straight CFL titles, from ’78 to ’82, and won the Grey Cup MVP award in ’80 and ’82. FINALLY, the NFL was ready for him. Teams tripped over themselves in a bidding war. He went to a crappy Houston team and had to re-learn football on a 100-yard field. It took 3 seasons before Jerry Glanville finally figured out how to run an offense suited for Moon’s arm. Moon went on to make 6 Pro Bowl teams as an Oiler.
Moon is the only modern-day African American QB enshrined in Canton. Why is that, Frank? He’s the only black guy ever “consistent” or “elite” enough to qualify? Or is it that black QBs hadn't gotten a fair deal in the NFL until the 1980s?
Argue about the semantics of Limbaugh’s ESPN comments all you want, but it’s clear his viewpoint represented the bigoted status quo of pro sports for the better half of the 20th Century.
Argue about the semantics of Limbaugh’s race-baiting comments as a right-wing pundit/DJ all you want – Which ones are real? Which ones are fake? – but it’s clear that he would never be truly vindicated in a libel/slander case because the disputed statements were used by the other media with the reasonable belief that they were true, and those types of statements are generally treated in courts the same as true statements.
Limbaugh doesn’t have to resort to the language used decades ago to get his point across. He's nonetheless an effective connection to the old-fashioned bigotry in this country.
Cheer up, Dittoheads, somebody’s gotta be on the wrong side of history. It’s you.
Meanwhile, Donovan McNabb is going to the Hall of Fame because Warren Moon paved the way and didn't succumb to racist & outdated social theory.
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