Governor Scott Walker and the people of Wisconsin vs the teacher union swine and their self interest.
I've never been a fan of unions. They've always represented the ultimate entity of collective group thinking. I applauded Chris Christie last year for having the balls to stand up to the teacher union piggies in New Jersey.
As much as I despise unions, I absolutely LOATH government unions especially teacher unions! I call them all nothing more then selfish, greedy living high on the troff PIGS!! Teacher Unions swear they care about educating the children, but in the end the issues that seems to get them upset isn't about the "children" but about "money for them not the "children". Democrats and their special interest groups tell us all the time that the "rich" needs to pay their "fair share", yet municipal and teacher unions seem to get ticked off and unnerved when they are asked to do the same thing. We're witnessing what is going on in the state of Wisconsin. The newly elected governor Scott Walker is trying to bring fiscally sanity back to his state, and look who are the ones trying to block him, the teacher union piggies and their democrat allies. I call the teacher union piggies, because they are nothing more then greedy unapologetic swine. This is what has gotten the greedy little porkers so worked up in Madison Wisconsin. The governor wants the teachers in Wisconsin to actually put some of their own money into their health care and retirement benefits. Wow, imagine that right?! Right now the people in Wisconsin are flipping the bill for the benefits of the teacher piggies 100%, and the state can no longer afford it. In the real world known as the private sector, many workers pay for part or most of their health benefits. The workers also put money away every week or two weeks into their self directed retirement account such as a 401k. Ah no, that can't happen in hogsville. The teacher unions have shut down the schools and are starting their third straight day of protests at the Wisconsin state capital.
So much for caring about the education of "the children". The porkers aren't liking Governor Scott plan at all. I guess the governor didn't realize the first cardinal rule of municipal unions, thou shall not pay any of their salary towards benefits that actually benefit them. Little do the piggies realize, they are coming off appearing as greedy, selfish and arrogant to the rest of the country not just to the majority in Wisconsin. The teacher union swine don't realize that they don't have a valid nor moral ground on which to stand on. Private sector workers have lost their jobs, their homes and can barely afford to pay their own health care. Them putting money away for retirement at this point almost seems like a luxury. The teacher union swine can't relate to the plight of normal people who work in the private sector. Oh well, I guess the porkers are saying to the rest of the masses, let them eat slop for as long as the porkers get what they feel"entitled" to. I love it how Democratic politicians talk about how important public education is, yet these same politicians tend to send their precious children to PRIVATE SCHOOLS. Obama has never sent his two daughters to public schools a day in their lives. Oh yeah, King Porker visited Park ville Elementary School here in Maryland yesterday talking about the importance of "public schools". Let's be real, we all know how the game works. Democrats always talk about the need for ever increasing school budgets. Here is how the porkers milk the system and the tax payers.
Teacher receive more money from the states =More teachers are hired and higher salaries for the teachers= More teachers paying dues into the teacher unions=fatter salaries for teacher union bosses=more campaign contributions from the teacher unions to democratic politicians and the democratic party.
As you all can clearly see, it's easy to understand. The teacher unions are one of the Democratic Parties most valued and loyal special interest groups. That is a reason why Obama has now stuck his nose into what is suppose to be a state issue in Wisconsin.
Wait a second. Maybe this is a "teachable moment". By Obama weighing in negatively on the actions of Governor Walker, maybe this is a sign what Obama won't do the same in reigning in the cost associated with union workers as it pertains to their health care and retirement benefits on the federal level So one could conclude that Obama isn't really serious about fixing the fiscally mess in Washington after all, imagine that. What other conclusion could there be? As I see this playing out, it's clear that the big loser isn't going to be the Governor Walker, not by a long shot. Most of the governorships went Republican last year for a reason. Citizens have had enough of being milked by the greedy piglets who make up the municipal and teacher unions. They want responsible and accountable government. They realize that teacher unions are no different or better then they are. It's just hilarious listening to democratic politicians claim they are looking out for the "little guy" meaning the working class yet they are fighting against the little guy in Wisconsin in trying to make the majority continue to feed the hogs who make up the minority. HERE PIGGY, PIGGY, PIGGY, SOO-EEEE SOO-EEE!!!!!
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 1:51 PM
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so do you think teachers should work for no money? do you think they should educate our children and mold our future for no money? what type of individuals do you think would take teaching jobs if they got payed even less than they do? i also wonder what group doesn't consider their own self-interest with regard to compensation, or with regard to anything, for that matter. are you not considering what you believe to be best for you when you create these name-calling rants?
anon "so do you think teachers should work for no money? do you think they should educate our children and mold our future for no money?
I believe people should work for money or volunteer. I don't believe that teachers should be exempt from having to pay into their benefits like the rest of us.
anon "what type of individuals do you think would take teaching jobs if they got payed even less than they do?"
Take a look at the pay grade for a Wisconsin teacher, then lets talk about it. Furthermore, people who go into the teaching profession know the salary potential of that profession before they even go to school to get their degree in education. So it can't be said that it is some how a "surprise".
anon "i also wonder what group doesn't consider their own self-interest with regard to compensation, or with regard to anything, for that matter. are you not considering what you believe to be best for you when you create these name-calling rants?"
Name calling rants? oh you mean like what the teacher union in Wisconsin is calling Governor Walker? Most people peruse their "self interest", I just think it is pitiful however when teachers use children as a prop as if they care about whether the children get an education. We're doing it for the children? Oh please, spare me. How does it negatively impact the quality of the education of the children in Wisconsin if the teachers have to put some skin in the game and start to pay part of their health insurance and contribute to their retirement?
Let's get to the actual reasons for this entire Wisconsin debacle. It has nothing to do with "concessions." Hell, almost every Federation of Teachers Union in the country has accepted some kind of concession over the past 5 years.
This fight is about "POLITICS." By far the vast majority of American trade and labor unions financially support Democrats. Destroy the union and you effectively remove a key and major supporter of the Democratic Party.
Wisconsin is no more worse off financially than Michigan. In fact, what Gov. Walker did helped create a future budget shortfall.
According to the Wiscosin State Journal here's what he did;
-tax break for businesses is projected to have a one-time cost of $11.8 million.
-tax deduction for HSAs will cost the state $49 million in tax revenue over two years.
-he later promised an additional $1.5 billion pledge to repeal the corporate income tax.
Of course Walker claims that the legislation was done to "create jobs." Yet, there has been no promise nor an inkling of spurred emotion pouring out of the Wisconsin's business sectors.
In addition to the "questionable" tax cuts, Walker is not being honest with his public statements about the bill. PolitiFact points to Walkers statement that his bill; "leaves collective bargaining is fully intact." According to the proposed legislation and Wisconsin state law, unionized collective bargaining will exist no more, effectively dismantling the union.
I suspect similar actions coming from Republican Govs. all over the country. This is the tip of the iceberg.
Anon,
I'm a teacher and I take exception to your opinion. Public school teachers are on the public dime. If someone is getting into teaching for the money they shouldn't be teaching. You teach because you want to make a difference, and I make pretty good money teaching here in Vegas. I can see asking for a bit more money when times are good, but when there is no money in the till you can't expect to get raises.
I hope many of those so called teachers are ex-teachers in the near future. In fact I'll go one further. I want those teachers to lose their licenses as well. If they were really concerned about the children they'd be in the classroom teaching, not 'striking'.
Oh, and it's not payed... It's paid...
CB;"I don't believe that teachers should be exempt from having to pay into their benefits like the rest of us".
The REST OF US??? You mean ahhh, like paying your "fair share?" Or, economic equality...?
From your "Secret Santa" essay in December 2010;
"Inequality? lol Don't make me laugh. Everybody has the right to purse the accumulation of wealth, nobody is guaranteed it allen, wake up. There is no such thing as "equal outcomes". Some people are self starters while others are slackers. It only begs to reason that the out comes between the two groups are going to "unequal".
And before you attempt to "worm" your way out of your own words, take note that "YOU" are the one citing that the "piggy's" (teachers, union workers, etc...) should "share the burden." Yet, at that time you claimed that "everybody has the right to purse the accumulation of wealth." Your two different idea's just don't add up.
You're saying that if you're rich, taxes should not be imposed to "share the burden." In contrast you're saying that if you're working class (in particular a tax paid employee), you should lose on a tax dollar to "share a burden." What's ironic is that you've stated that YOU'RE NOT RICH!. Hell, you've said you don't even make 250k, and admitted it's not much by economic social standards. Your two different idea's just don't add up.
Those "piggys" you've talked about average pay is about $55,000 a year. About 5 times less than the 250k that you claim is not much to live on. That clearly equates to your "unequal outcome" idea. Although now you advocate that the "piggys" become like the "rest of us." Your two different idea's just don't add up.
So now you want the "piggys" to be like "THE REST OF US"??? The "rest of us" can only be one other entity...THE WORKING CLASS!
On one hand you're an advocate for the "rest of us" (working class), to "bear a burden", and on the other you're an advocate for the "RICH" not to "bear a burden." In essence you're saying YOU DON'T TRUST YOURSELF TO ACCUMULATE YOUR OWN WEALTH! Which means that you can be thinking about, or "FOR" yourself!
Rich conservatives (the Koch brothers, Hannity, Limbaugh, Levine, etc...) have "BRAINWASHED" you! You're living in a pretend world believing and hoping one day that you'll be just like them.
Are you waiting for your opportunity for "Joe the Plumber" fame and fortune? Is your conservative beacon so bright, the right-wing idol makers have put your name on their list? If that's what you think, hell, you might as well learn how to dribble and shoot a basketball, or start a Rap music label.
p allen "Let's get to the actual reasons for this entire Wisconsin debacle. It has nothing to do with "concessions." Hell, almost every Federation of Teachers Union in the country has accepted some kind of concession over the past 5 years."
Tell us all knowing and all seeing allen, what then does this "debacle" has to do with then? Is it a "power grab" by that big mean republican who wants to simply "break the union"? Of course, it has to be a sinister plot by Walker, we all know the teacher union is so pure of sugar and spice and everything nice, right allen?
p allen "This fight is about "POLITICS." By far the vast majority of American trade and labor unions financially support Democrats. Destroy the union and you effectively remove a key and major supporter of the Democratic Party."
Right, whatever you say allen. It could never have to do with Governor Walker having to balance Wisconsin's budget as demanded by the constitution. If this is about politics, why is Obama sticking his nose in Wisconsin affairs number one, and why have the democrats lawmakers fled the state, number two? So who are the ones making this about "politics" allen? Speak right up. So asking the teachers in Wisconsin to actually pay for their benefits is about politics you say,interesting. So the people should be made to pay 100% of the teacher's healthcare cost and retirement benefits? Unions do support the Democratic Party, but not all of the members of the unions support the democrat party. Also, the unions only make up 13% of the U.S workforce. So they are an ultra minority in the overall labor force.
p allen "According to the Wiscosin State Journal here's what he did;
-tax break for businesses is projected to have a one-time cost of $11.8 million.
-tax deduction for HSAs will cost the state $49 million in tax revenue over two years.
-he later promised an additional $1.5 billion pledge to repeal the corporate income tax."
Wow, that evil bastard.How dare him give incentives to spur economic and job growth in Wisconsin. You're right allen, what governor in their right mind would dare try and lure companies from other states to move to their state to create jobs, walker is so evil.
p allen "Wisconsin is no more worse off financially than Michigan. In fact, what Gov. Walker did helped create a future budget shortfall."
Are you on CRACK!!!! You are from Detroit. You know all about how bad a city and state can get. Most major industries have left the state of Michigan YEARS ago, there is no economic incentive for companies to do business in Michigan, and there sure as hell isn't no incentive for a person to start a business in Michigan. Thank godness Walker is trying to make sure Wisconsin doesn't end up like Michigan. You libs always say that a state isn't worse off until the debt is so big, it can no longer be ignored. Look at the basket cases California, Illinois, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, Ohio and many other states have become thanks to business crushing, high regulation and taxation policies of liberal Democratic "leadership" in those states.
p allen "
Of course Walker claims that the legislation was done to "create jobs." Yet, there has been no promise nor an inkling of spurred emotion pouring out of the Wisconsin's business sectors."
The only jobs Democrats know how to create are "government jobs" which leads to the problem our country is having right now like in Wisconsin. Knowing how to stimulate job creation in the private sector is foreign to liberals. The business sectors create the majority of jobs. It's no surprise Obama hates the Chamber of Commerce. The chamber like the private sector represents and promotes capitalism. Liberals like you allen never have a problem with tax increases only tax cuts, case closed.
p allen "I suspect similar actions coming from Republican Govs. all over the country. This is the tip of the iceberg."
Republican governors from New Jersey, Illinois, Michigan have to find a miracle in order to fix the long term financial ruin, democrats left their states in. Bottom line. THE FREE RIDE IS OVER FOR THE MUNICIPAL UNIONS. THE STATES ARE BEYOND BROKE.
The Vegas Art Guy "If someone is getting into teaching for the money they shouldn't be teaching. "
Exactly Vegas, there are some good teachers out there with their hearts in the right place. They went into teaching, because they like working with children. People go into social work, because they like to help people. They know the pay sucks, but their reward comes from the job they do. I know there is a certain percentage of Wisconsin teachers who do not agree with the protests. Their voices are being drowned out by the ones who are in it for the greed factor.
The Vegas Art Guy "I can see asking for a bit more money when times are good, but when there is no money in the till you can't expect to get raises."
Liberals don't understand that. It's common sense. When times are tough, people have to make sacrifices. The old saying goes, "blood can't be squeezed from a stone". If the money isn't there, it isn't there. The liberal mindset of course would be to say raise taxes, but that isn't fair to tax payers.
The Vegas Art Guy "I hope many of those so called teachers are ex-teachers in the near future. In fact I'll go one further. I want those teachers to lose their licenses as well. If they were really concerned about the children they'd be in the classroom teaching, not 'striking'.Oh, and it's not payed... It's paid..."
Every teacher has to join the teacher union if they want to teach, so people who don't agree with the union but want to teach have no choice. So I am not throwing the baby out with the bath water and lumping all teachers together as being greedy pigs, but there are a certain percentage that are greedy pigs and claim to represent all teachers which I know is not true. The assclowns protesting in Madison are giving the teaching profession a black eye in front of the nation.
P Allen "What's ironic is that you've stated that YOU'RE NOT RICH!. Hell, you've said you don't even make 250k, and admitted it's not much by economic social standards. Your two different idea's just don't add up."
People who make $250k a year are NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT Rich. In bizzaro world aka progressiveville maybe. And yes, I am not rich, but I also don't begrudge those who are. I don't have a claim to other people's wealth. I am not a leech who feels somehow entitled to the spoils of other people's hard work and good fortune. I am contempt with what I have accumulated, and if I want more, I will find a way to accumulate even more, simple as that.
Those "piggys" you've talked about average pay is about $55,000 a year. About 5 times less than the 250k that you claim is not much to live on. That clearly equates to your "unequal outcome" idea. Although now you advocate that the "piggys" become like the "rest of us." Your two different idea's just don't add up."
And your point is again what allen? People know what a profession pays before they even go to school to get their degree in that profession. Teachers know that teaching for the most part isn't a lucrative career. This is how ABSURD this is, it's like me saying to a potential employer, I want to work for your company and then I wait until after I start working to then ask "what is my pay rate". It's a bogus argument allen.
p allen "So now you want the "piggys" to be like "THE REST OF US"??? The "rest of us" can only be one other entity...THE WORKING CLASS!"
Piggies really don't care where the slop comes from as long as it is there when they are ready to eat, right allen? Well the pig farmers knows that slop to feed the pigs has to come from somewhere allen.
p allen "On one hand you're an advocate for the "rest of us" (working class), to "bear a burden", and on the other you're an advocate for the "RICH" not to "bear a burden." In essence you're saying YOU DON'T TRUST YOURSELF TO ACCUMULATE YOUR OWN WEALTH! Which means that you can be thinking about, or "FOR" yourself!"
As I said "I am an advocate for wealth creation in the PRIVATE SECTOR". Why do you think the mayor, sheriff and other political figures in Bell California are going to jail allen? Do some research.You are the one who said that corporations take advantage of people,yet you are ok with people having to pay higher taxes, because some people don't feel they should pay for their own benefits.
p allen"Rich conservatives (the Koch brothers, Hannity, Limbaugh, Levine, etc...) have "BRAINWASHED" you! You're living in a pretend world believing and hoping one day that you'll be just like them."
Let me guess, Rich liberals like Barack, Obama, the Clintons, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Steve Schimdt, Jay Rockafella, Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, Chris Matthews, Keith Olberman, Rachael Maddow, Ed Shultz and others must have "ENGLIGHTENED YOU", right allen? You should know about pretend world. In your world, the only people who are rich are "republcians", raisng taxes spur economic growth, mankind is causing the earth to warm up, killing unborn babies is considered "reproductive" healthcare, muslim extremists are really moderates. It hurts too much, stop making me laugh allen. Sit down already. lol lol lol lol Brainwashed? lol
p allen "Are you waiting for your opportunity for "Joe the Plumber" fame and fortune?
Not that I know of. Talk about a blast from the past, why don't you say Halliburton and war for oil in your next statement.
p allen "Is your conservative beacon so bright, the right-wing idol makers have put your name on their list? If that's what you think, hell, you might as well learn how to dribble and shoot a basketball, or start a Rap music label."
If I wanted to make money based on my views, I could have presued a career in radio, so obviously that isn't the case allen. SWING AND MISS ,STRIKE ONE!!!! Your state intrigued me. Dribbling a basketball and starting a rap music label is something young black males are known for. So is this the stereotypical path that only blacks can succeed in according to you allen?
p allen "And before you attempt to "worm" your way out of your own words, take note that "YOU" are the one citing that the "piggy's" (teachers, union workers, etc...) should "share the burden." Yet, at that time you claimed that "everybody has the right to purse the accumulation of wealth." Your two different idea's just don't add up."
Oh dam!!! Allen finally went and did some research, hold the presses!!! He even researched what I said a year ago, to bad he didn't learn anything from it though. I don't have to run from my words, because my words are based on facts. If you noticed allen, when I called the teacher union piggies, swine, porkers etc, I didn't mention anything about "pay" only about them paying into their "health benefits" and "retirement". With that being said, I believe in PRIVATE SECTOR CAPITALISM. I don't support greed in the public sector, because everybody else has to pay for it. There is a big difference. What people make in the private sector working for a particular company doesn't adversely impact me one way or the other. If a company sells it's products at a high price to compensate for the labor costs of it's employees, I can simply buy from the competitor of that company who has lower prices due. In the pubic sector, you do know the definition of "public servant" right allen?
p allen "You're saying that if you're rich, taxes should not be imposed to "share the burden."
I never said that. I believe everybody regardless of income should have ONE TAX RATE and that's it. If a person makes $50k a year and paid 20% in taxes, he or she will have paid $10,000 in taxes for. If another person makes $500,000 a year and and paid the same 20% in taxes, he or she will have paid $100,000 in taxes. A person who makes more money doesn't have to have a higher percentage of taxes taken from them. They will pay more simply because THEY MAKE MORE even with their tax rate at the same rate as everybody else. I don't believe a person should pay more simply because he or she has more. That is nothing more then the punishment of success.
p allen "In contrast you're saying that if you're working class (in particular a tax paid employee), you should lose on a tax dollar to "share a burden."
What I am saying is that their benefits benefit THEM not me. So why should I have to pay for someone else healthcare, when I pay my own? What is the taboo about municipal employees actually paying for the benefits they are going to benefit from? I benefit from having a roof under my head, but I have to pay my mortgage. I benefit from having cloths on my body, but I have to buy them. I benefit from being able to go from point A to point B n my car, but I paid it off and continue to pay for it's upkeep to enjoy that privilege. Is any of this sinking in allen?
Vegas;"Public school teachers are on the public dime".
So are politicians. But for untold reasons it's acceptable for politicians (whom most are rich prior to becoming one) to spend "HUGE" amounts of money for a job that pays a lot less than what they are worth, yet more than anyone that works under them!
However, a teacher will spend roughly about the same amount for a college education with the expectation of only earning a yearly salary about equal to the cost of college.
So your assertion that a teacher does his job "because you want to make a difference" is correct and has it's merits. Yet for a politician on the public dime (particularly a "RICH" one) to spend 5, 10, 20, 30+ time's the compensation of salary indicates "you want to make a difference for yourself", not others (let along teaching children...)
Vegas;"and I make pretty good money teaching here in Vegas".
According to Tyrone you don't!
Average teacher salary in Las Vegas is $48,000.
But, what you require to live on is subjectively your own...
Perhaps you should apply to the private school started by Mayor Goodmans wife! He gave them 50 grand from his liquor advertising contract.
First off, you and I both know that most rich people (if not all) find ways not to pay taxes...that's just the way it is.
p allen "You're saying that if you're rich, taxes should not be imposed to "share the burden."
CB;I never said that.
The heck you didn't....
"There is no such thing as "equal outcomes". Some people are self starters while others are slackers. It only begs to reason that the out comes between the two groups are going to "unequal".
You said that in response to my assertion that the rich manipulate politicians, the economy, social ideas, job opportunity, and basically whatever else. You clearly endorse the idea of "two separate and unequal outcomes." You could have easily stated at that time that the rich should "share a burden" or even be held to an equal tax standard. BUT YOU DIDN'T!!
Instead you chose a side. You chose to protect an idea that a rich person did something out of the kindness of their heart. Hell, you're not rich and you didn't even know who gave the donation. Yet your "right-wing hacked hell bent brainwashing" led you to discredit the idea of a liberal being the donor.
My point is this... If the truth is as you've said; "It only begs to reason that the out comes between the two groups are going to be "unequal", common sense dictates, and it only begs to reason, that outcomes are going to be "UNEQUAL" when it comes to sharing the burden!!! You can't have it any other way. The only way you make any other claim is because you've been had, hoodwinked and bamboozled!
By the way, my digging up your statements is in no way "research." It's called; "throwing your own words back in your face."
p allen "First off, you and I both know that most rich people (if not all) find ways not to pay taxes...that's just the way it is."
Oh sigh!! So allen, rich people don't pay
Income Taxes
Federal Excise Taxes
Gasoline Taxes
Property Taxes
Alcohol Taxes
Dividend Taxes
Capital Gain Taxes
Sales Taxes
State Income Taxes
Consumption Taxes
Inheritance Taxes
Retirement Taxes
Toll Taxes
Cigarette Taxes
just for starters. Are you really that clueless allen? Never mind, stupid question. Whatever you are freebasing, PUT IT DOWN AND STEP BACK FROM IT!
p allen "You're saying that if you're rich, taxes should not be imposed to "share the burden."
Allen quoting me "
CB "There is no such thing as "equal outcomes". Some people are self starters while others are slackers. It only begs to reason that the out comes between the two groups are going to "unequal".
P Allen "You clearly endorse the idea of "two separate and unequal outcomes." You could have easily stated at that time that the rich should "share a burden" or even be held to an equal tax standard. BUT YOU DIDN'T!!"
You love to twist people's words around allen. You should know by now it doesn't work with me. There is no such thing as "equal outcomes. There is a reason why people are rich, in the middle class or poor. People's actions decdide their outcomes in life, I know that is a hard statement for you to understand, but it is what it is. It's called life allen. Why do you think Detroit isn't on the same economic equality footing as say Houston or Atlanta? Why is it that there are people who can afford to buy a luxury car, while other can't even afford to buy a car a all? Your thinking is beyond twisted to the point of being insane.Name a country where the citizens are all on an equal equitable level allen. Take your pick of 6 continents and hundred of countries, name one!
p allen "Instead you chose a side. You chose to protect an idea that a rich person did something out of the kindness of their heart."
So then according to you then, rich liberals don't give out of the kindness of their hearts right? Thanks for sharing. Some rich people do give out of the kindness of their hearts, others do it for tax reasons. I don't group all rich people into the category as being related to Ebenezer Scrooge like you do allen.
Rich people are individuals like anyone else. Put down the World Worker's Party manifesto and open you eyes for once.
p allen "Hell, you're not rich and you didn't even know who gave the donation."
I'll take a wild guess that poor people don't have fifty to one hundred thousand dollars in cash to give away allen, call me crazy in my thinking. ;-0 I will venture to say that those people gave away that money, because they didn't need it. Tell me how poor people can accumulate that kind of money allen.
p allen "Yet your "right-wing hacked hell bent brainwashing" led you to discredit the idea of a liberal being the donor.
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your inability to defend your ignorance still only hurts you allen. If I am a product of "right wing brainwashing", then does that make you a product of "left wing brainwashing allen,hmm?;-)The fact of the mater is that I've always been conservative aka rational minded before I even became political active allen, so try another tag smear.
p allen "My point is this... If the truth is as you've said; "It only begs to reason that the out comes between the two groups are going to be "unequal", common sense dictates, and it only begs to reason, that outcomes are going to be "UNEQUAL" when it comes to sharing the burden!!! You can't have it any other way. The only way you make any other claim is because you've been had, hoodwinked and bamboozled!"
Talk about being brainwashed, you belive that the only way an individual can accomplish anything is to mooch off the labor and fruits of his or her fellow citizen. This should sound fimilar to you allen "
"From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs." I'm sure you are down with Karl Marx, because that is what he said. This is what the Communist Party USA said it stands for on it's website.
CPUSA" We work in coalition with the labor movement, the peace movement, the student movement, organizations fighting for equality and social justice, the environmental movement, immigrants rights groups and the health care for all campaign."
EQUALITY AND SOCIAL JUSTICE, AH? Didn't you say something about "economic parity or EQUALITY" allen? Scary how identical your thoughts are with the Communist Party. You say that I am brainwashed, what you don't like and can't accept is that I am not a subscriber to "group think" like you are.You can't debate principals based on individualism like capitalism.
p allen "By the way, my digging up your statements is in no way "research." It's called; "throwing your own words back in your face."
Actually genius if you went back into the archives to find out what I wrote on a particular date and subject, you did "research". lol lol lol lol No more blue pills for you.
It does not matter how much the State cuts the state employees benefits. The State owns billions in annual payments to wall street and the state will crash even if it could lay off everybody and the STATE IS STILL going BROKE!
CB;"Are you really that clueless allen?"
Sorry Tyrone, but the clueless one is definitely not me...
I told you what my point is, and it still remains the same. You said "no equal outcomes." Paying taxes is one of the "outcomes" of this society. My point remains that the quantity, level, shares, disbursement, dispensation, issuance of a "tax burden" will not be shared equally.
Furthermore, you know it's true because...you've said it! The sickening part is that you've sided with the entity of the very rich. You're not rich, yet you're willing to sacrifice and give more of what little you have in place of someone that has far more means than you!
An example of "means":
Let's say your health insurance pays a portion (you pay deductibles, and expense differences) for your child to have an life saving organ transplant. When a compatible organ becomes available, some billionaire comes along and an offers the doctors and hospitals 20 times the health insurance dollar for the same organ for himself. Least to say, such a "CRISIS" would cause outrage, and a fight for the rights of your child, or even the billionaire.
Because you're "okay" with the "unequal outcomes", and your loathing of Communist styled equal health care, combined with the idea that "rich people are individuals like anyone else", you take the side of the billionaire and demand that he get's the organ!!
Your idea of the tax burden is no different than the organ scenario. You're willing to let yourself, or even your child suffer because you believe rich people should not pay a higher percentage in a "CRISIS" of a government budget crunch. Instead you're willing to take food off your own table because fooled to believe that the billionaire has the right to continue drinking Chateau Lafite with his caviar.
Again, if you were "rich" I couldn't begin to argue with you. I would clearly understand that you're looking out for yourself. But YOU'RE NOT RICH! And when taxes are concerned, the rich are not willing to do for you, what you're clearly willing to do for them.
In this "CRISIS" the rich wants those with far less means than themselves to give more to insure that they continue to make more. The sickening part is that you've been fooled to go for it...
Let's get back to the teacher's unions shall we? That was a nice bait and switch though. And I make far less than the average salary as well. What I am not looking forward to is having to get my master's degree in order to make more money. I'm on class A, so I top out at 40K unless I continue my education. http://www.ccsd.net/jobs/LLPsalary.php
Right now I owe nothing for my college education because I was able to pay may own way through school. I doubt I'll be able to afford the $20K for a Masters. So then I'll have to get loans for a degree which is not shown to be beneficial in the classroom. Giving some kind of raise based on experience does have merits because you don't really get your feet under you teaching until your third year. But only to a point. The reason I bring up the pay schedule is that it was negotiated by the CCEA and the district. So you get more money simply by having a master's degree. Doesn't matter if you're any good at teaching. It's the paper that matters. Some racket don't you think?
Same thing with layoffs. With private companies you can get rid of the dead wood, but with the unions it's the last ones hired that go and not the incompetent boobs.
Sorry for the disjointed reply I'm in the middle of grading a large stack of work.
I agree you are an experiment that has gone wrong! The states that have ineffective teacher unions also have the worst performing students. We need more blogs like yours so that net surfers can understand why we are so stupid! Bye!
Your right! You are an experiment that has gone bad... very bad! The states that have ineffective teachers unions also have the lowest student scores. Great blog... Now everyone can understand why Americans are so stupid!!
So why are the cops and firemens unions O.K. ?? Everyone has attacked the teachers union. If you really want to balance a budget, why not them ??? Why not make Scott walker pay for his own health care?? It's obvious he has an agenda..a politcal one.
Unions, Immigration and Foreign Trade
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