It hasn't even been five days since the killing of Osama Bin Laden, and Obama is already exploiting the death for his 2012 campaign.
Liberals accused the Bush campaign of bringing up the 911 attacks as a foreign policy issue, when he ran for re election back in 2004. He was running on the platform of being a war time president. Obama's supporters would have Americans believe that Obama ordered the killing of Osama Bin Laden to avenge America for the 911 attacks ten years ago, I wonder about that. You'll experience first hand why I wonder out loud about Obama's "true" motives for taking out Osama. When Obama gave the order to kill Osama Bin Laden, the media after it happened claimed that it was a "gutsy" call by Obama to give the order for the Navy Seals to go in and take out Osama rather then have a predator drone bomb the house where Osama Bin Laden was staying. Click on the gutsycall.com website, and see where it takes you to. I rest my case. It hasn't even been one week yet since Osama was taken out, and the politicization has come to this already.
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 12:45 AM
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Shortly after 9-11, media in the muslim tyrannies published polls on support for OBL. No poll anywhere found less than 60% support for the terrorist. How many American slaves-of-Allah support al-qaeda's calipha-by-genocide policies? I can't see it being less than 60%. When paks see our indulgence of those savages, they feel licensed to aid and abet terror.
www.gutsycall.com doesn't redirect you to obama's campaign site...you are at all time low Tyronne...shame on you...
I'm not a fan of the Bush administration, and frankly, I'm disappointed with the Obama administration.
The only difference I can say is this: Bush did not go after Osama bin Laden like he said he planned. He could have taken him out immediately in a short amount of time. Instead, he shifted toward Iraq and to wage war against the megalomaniac Saddam Hussein, which turned out he never had ties to bin Laden or to Al Queida. According to the liberals, the Bush family have ties to the bin Laden family.
As for Obama, congratulations for taking out the most wanted man in the world. It may have boost your approval ratings, but it is still not enough to get out of financial debt.
Obama want to END the war on terror, not WIN it. That's why he has no interest in capturing and debriefing al Qaeda detainees. That's also why he orders drone attacks to kill terrorists, not capture them. He wants nothing to disrupt the TIME TABLE for US withdrawl from the ME region.... (except perhaps a new "humanitarian" war in Libya to justify his Nobel prize.) ;)
anon "www.gutsycall.com doesn't redirect you to obama's campaign site...you are at all time low Tyronne...shame on you..."
If telling the truth translate into "sinking to new lows" then, I guess I am bottom fishing then. The link did redirect people to Obama's 2012 page, and THERE ARE STORIES VALIDATING IT.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/gutsycall-com-redirects-to-obama-website
http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/185177-gutsycall-com-redirects-users-obamas-campaign-website.html
http://www.redstate.com/dan_mclaughlin/2011/05/05/will-obama-2012-campaign-run-on-the-gutsy-call-of-doing-the-obvious/
So what were you saying about me "sinking to a new low"?
Get real Tyrone. The URL link has been hacked, then re-hacked. When I first clicked on it, it took navigated to an error page. Later that day it went to a "splash video" page. Today it goes to the "get involved" page.
It's possible the person, person's, or group that bought the URL are Obama supporters. Even if they're not, who cares! It's politics, and that's the way it works.
Some conservatives are angry because they feel President Obama is taking a "victory lap" (ie; gloating, rubbing it in your face) after the bin laden take down. Some say the president doesn't deserve "all" the credit, while some say he doesn't deserve any credit at all! Some conservatives, like yourself Tyrone, question the presidents motives as a possible "political stunt" simply to exploit the situation for political gain. The fact is all of these complaints are just plain stupid...
Ninety-nine percent of Americans wanted Bin Laden brought to justice. If you included yourself in that 99% why question exactly what "you" wanted?
It's the same as saying; your team won the big game, but you're pissed off because you didn't score the winning goal. What's worse is that you're bitchin' at the coach and others ON YOUR OWN TEAM! Doesn't that seem awful STUPID considering YOUR TEAM WON??
Sticking with the "game" analogy, I've said that some credit can be given to Bush "IF" he did put the some of the players in place. In sports a team might have a general manager and coach who put's together a team with what they consider to be "all the right players." So sure, Bush supporters can claim his credits. However, if the player don't produce and the coach doesn't win, he's replaced.
So now, let's look at the reality and the facts... Obama is the president, so he was calling the plays. President Obama got the (winning) result that 99% of Americans (including you) wanted. And now that you got what you wanted (a win), you want to;
1. share the trophy with a coach that's no longer part of the team.
2. give the winning trophy to a coach no longer with the team
3. question the present coaches motives for winning (that one is really out in left field)
4. tell the coach he has no right to celebrate, even though he won!
Even considering the seriousness of the so-called "War on Terror", politics is still politics, and they all play the game.
I don't know what universe anon is on re gutsycall.com but is sure points there for me.
As usual Tyrone, you are dead on.
Mike
http://www.politicalcowardice.com/2011/05/obama-using-bin-ladin-death-for-political-gain-in-2012/
p allen "Some conservatives are angry because they feel President Obama is taking a "victory lap" (ie; gloating, rubbing it in your face) after the bin laden take down."
Sounds fimilar allen? Remember liberals foaming at the mouth when Bush landed on the aircraft carrier with his pilot jumpsuit on, with the banner in the background reading "mission accomplished". Those two words were burned into the minds of liberals across the country. It became one of the best known political catch phrases in the last decade. The new term that is that Obama is "spiking the football" as he goes around celebrating himself giving the order to take out OBL.
P Allen "Some say the president doesn't deserve "all" the credit, while some say he doesn't deserve any credit at all! Some conservatives, like yourself Tyrone, question the presidents motives as a possible "political stunt" simply to exploit the situation for political gain. The fact is all of these complaints are just plain stupid..."
Yeah right, like Bush's motives weren't questioned on the USS Abraham Lincoln. The fact of the matter is that the Obama gave the order, when the CIA told him where Osama was at. The CIA and the Seals are the ones who put themselves in danger. If he didn't give the order and Osama got tipped off and fled, then he would have had the same egg on his face as Clinton had when he let Osama go.
p allen "Ninety-nine percent of Americans wanted Bin Laden brought to justice. If you included yourself in that 99% why question exactly what "you" wanted?
I never said that I wasn't glad that he was dead. With that being said, I can still question the motives behind Obama's action AFTER THE FACT though allen. If it would have happend under Bush, you all would have been doing the same thing, so don't even try to pretend it wouldn't have happened.
p allen "It's the same as saying; your team won the big game, but you're pissed off because you didn't score the winning goal. What's worse is that you're bitchin' at the coach and others ON YOUR OWN TEAM! Doesn't that seem awful STUPID considering YOUR TEAM WON??"
Did you ever hear me say I wish Osama Bin Laden would have been killed under George Bush's administration? If you haven't allen, you are putting words into my mouth. Excuse me while I throw them back up. The point I'm making is that it is slimy to use the death of OBL for Obama's 2012 re election campaign LESS THEN 6 DAYS AFTER IT HAPPENED. That is all I am saying. Timing is everything.
p allen "So now, let's look at the reality and the facts... Obama is the president, so he was calling the plays."
Correction, the Central Intelligence Agency was calling the plays to extract the intel from the terrorist suspects and ultimiately find the location of Osama Bin Laen. Obama didn't do this. The Navy Seals are the ones who put two bullets into Osama's head. Obama merely gave the order. Those are the "FACTS".
P Allen "President Obama got the (winning) result that 99% of Americans (including you) wanted.
Obama was in the right place at the right time to benefit from this, no denying that.
p allen" And now that you got what you wanted (a win), you want to;
1. share the trophy with a coach that's no longer part of the team.
2. give the winning trophy to a coach no longer with the team
3. question the present coaches motives for winning (that one is really out in left field)
4. tell the coach he has no right to celebrate, even though he won!"
The team was already in place doing it's job, before Coach Obama was even elected. The Team was already gathering intel, the sub teams were communicating between each other. The team won the trophy not because of Obama. The team already had it's playbooks, and were executing them. What coach had to CIA go into Afghanistan and Pakistan? What coach supported using certain techniques that helped to extract the information vital to tracking down OBL?
FJ "Obama want to END the war on terror, not WIN it. That's why he has no interest in capturing and debriefing al Qaeda detainees. That's also why he orders drone attacks to kill terrorists, not capture them. He wants nothing to disrupt the TIME TABLE for US withdrawl from the ME region.... (except perhaps a new "humanitarian" war in Libya to justify his Nobel prize.) ;)
Exactly, now that OBL is dead. Lets see what Obama's anti terrorism position is going to be going forward. I have no doubt that he will merely treat terrorist cases as "criminal acts" instead of "terrorist acts" like Clinton did. Obama believes if he simply gives rosy speeches to the Muslim world, everything will be just fine. Unfortunately for him, the real world doesn't work that way.
What p Allen and others don't want to admit is that Obama's motives, decisions and policies are not always the best for our country. Remember Obama came from the sewer that his Chicago style politics and on his way up he was not above stepping quite nastily on others, employing dirty tricks and lying quite often.
In fact I believe he is a pathological lier and has a severe narcissistic personality disorder, which stems mostly from not having a strong father or father figure during his upbringing. Therefore, I take great care to remain suspect concerning just about anything he says.
Yes, other politicians lie, but Obama is very different from just about any politician or president we have had. Foremost is his desire to radically transform America into something quite horrific and he would totally destroy capitalism and even welcome riots al la Greece and London if it helped his cause. Next he is very insidious, extremely deceptive and cunning and he has surrounded himself with other like creatures and placed them in key positions in our government. He incompetence is only exceeded by his arrogance.
While other politicians may lie to get elected, for personal greed and self-serving motives, what makes Obama so dangerous is that he lies with passion and deceit chiefly to further his cause, not just to get re-elected.
Obama's actions and words have to be taken in this context. I'm sure the 16 hours it took for him to make the call was spent debating if killing OBL would help or hurt Obama and his cause, not if it was the right thing to do, the risk to our troops or if it was good for the Nation, at least for the Nation as it is viewed by most loyal constitution-loving Americans.
Concerning the decision to kill OBL, as opposed to capture, here is a great link to a story by another conservative black man, Alan Keyes:
Osama takedown: Questions abound
CB;"Sounds fimilar allen? Remember liberals foaming at the mouth when Bush landed on the aircraft carrier with his pilot jumpsuit on, with the banner in the background reading "mission accomplished".
On May 1st, and to this day, no banners are, or were present. No signs were, or are hanging behind the president. No flight suit, no U.S.S. battle ship, no pomp and circumstance like speeches. Just a bunch of right-wingers bitchin' and moanin' about who deserves the credit, and a hacked link to the presidents website. Bin Laden is dead. Isn't that what you wanted? If it is, the whats your problem?
Real right-wing craziness has spawned even though President Obama hasn't publicly gloated, or made any public statements or gesture citing a "personal" victory. In his initial announcement (and in subsequent interviews) he has repeatedly referred to the mission as a "team" effort, and citing the efforts of all of those involved.
If Bin Laden had died of natural causes, would the right-wing have "credited" G.W. Bush because we didn't capture or kill him first?"
CB;"The point I'm making is that it is slimy to use the death of OBL for Obama's 2012 re election campaign LESS THEN 6 DAYS AFTER IT HAPPENED. That is all I am saying".
It just might be "slimy." However, what "PROOF" do you have that President Obama himself, did or said something after Bin Laden was killed, that you can point to as being "slimy?" You essay title accuses him of exploiting Bin Laden's death by purchasing a domain name and URL.
Anybody with a computer can do that. Even an idiot like Sarah Palin can put up a link! Click here-SARAH PALIN FOR PRESIDENT.
Mike;"What p Allen and others don't want to admit is that Obama's motives, decisions and policies are not always the best for our country".
Why would I "admit" to something I don't believe? Would you "admit" that President Obama's decisions and policies are indeed best for the country? We're talking politics here Mike, not physics.
Mike;"In fact I believe he is a pathological lier and has a severe narcissistic personality disorder... not having a strong father or father figure during his upbringing... care to remain suspect concerning just about anything he says".
You forgot that he was "born in Kenya, pals around with terrorist, has a fake birth certificate, scammed his way into Harvard, never attended Occidental College, wants death panels for old people, is a Muslim, Socialist, Marxist, Racist, had a gay love affair, hates America, hates the troops, loves abortion, hates Christians, hates Jews, hates God and.... he shot my dog!!!
Don't get me wrong... It's perfectly okay to disagree with a presidents policies. Hell, I disagreed with most of everything G.W. Bush did.
However, when it comes to being; "a pathological liar with a severe narcissistic personality disorder accompanied by personal greed and self-serving motives and someone who lies with passion and deceit chiefly to further his cause"... that's a trait common to every U.S. president since the inception of this country. The one and only difference that sets him apart from the rest, is that President Obama is BLACK!
No, p, you are sadly mistaken. And obsessed with race.
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