The murder of Trayvon Martin: Part 1 The incident.
The shooting of Trayvon Martin has become a national story that has defied reason. I wrote last Monday on how the national media never covers racially motivated stories unless the attacker(s) and victims(s) are of the politically correct skin tones. The Trayon Martin story just once again proves what I said was correct. Trayon Martin was shot and killed on the 26th of February, so this story is almost a month old, but it didn't go national by the media until a few days ago after they found out about it. Now that it has gone national by the media due to the racial parameters being acceptable to them, the "racial overtones" of the shooting has been amplified to the hilt. Trayvon Martin was killed on the 26th of February after walking home from a store after buying an iced tea and a bag of skittles. George Zimmerman who is biracial (white and Hispanic) was a neighborhood watch captain who confronted Trayvon and ultimately shot and killed him due to Mr Zimmerman claiming he felt threatened. The racial makeup of the crime doesn't really concern me as much as the crime itself. The fact of the matter to me is that George Zimmerman called 911 and told the dispatcher that he was following Trayvon Martin, the operator told him to back down. When Mr. Zimmerman decided to ignore the orders of the 911 dispatcher, he lost the right to calm the ultimate shooting of Trayvon Martin was in "self defense". When he got out of his truck to confront Trayvon, the situation became one of stalking and harassment by Mr. Zimmerman. Even though I agree Zimmerman was clearly in the wrong and should be charged with 1st degree murder, I seriously have to question the outrage coming from the black community.
It's a shame that blacks can't rally in support of other young black men who are killed across the country on a daily basis by other black men.
I'm sure that statement will tick off a few people, but the truth hurts.
What if George Zimmerman was a black neighborhood block captain who mistaken Trayvon Martin for a member of a rival gang, and he shot him accidentally, do you think blacks and the national media would care about his death then? No, he would just be an afterthought and a 15 second video on the Florida nightly news.
I wrote a story a few years ago asking the question "when does a black person's life become valuable, when he or she is murdered". Does it take a non black person to kill a black person before outrage is shown like in the case of Trayvon Martin? To me, it just seems incredibly phony.When the story first broke nationally thanks to the racial elements meeting the approval of the national media, George Zimmerman was immediately labeled a racist, because he was reported as being a white guy. There are conflicting reports whether George called Trayon a coon on the 911 tape. Now that it has been reported that Mr. Zimmerman is of mixed race himself and that he has black family members, the racial outrage by the bandwagon advocates of Trayon is now being pointed at the police for taking so long to charge Mr. Zimmerman with first degree murder. Since Mr. Zimmerman claimed the shooting was in self defense, the police are trying to determine whether the shooting fell under Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. The investigation shouldn't be rushed just to please the angry mobs who until just last week didn't even know who Trayvon Martin was. I believe ultimately that Zimmerman will be charged. Trayvon Martin was unarmed and was talking to his girlfriend telling her that he was being followed. I think it will be an open and shout case ultimately. I can only hope that the mindless mobs who want instant justice don't turn this already tragic story into something far worse. By George Zimmerman not listening to reason from the 911 dispatcher and instead decided to act on emotion, a boy is dead and more then likely he is going to prison. I hope others who are ginned up over this don't decide to act out on emotion as well.
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 1:20 AM
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Tyrone, I'd bet you knew that it was a certainty that I'd weigh in on this one...
CB;"It's a shame that blacks can't rally in support of other young black men who are killed across the country on a daily basis by other black men".
BULL$#!T!!! Over the past years here in Detroit I've attended several rallies against black-on-black violence. Celebrities like ex-pro football player, Jim Brown, for years has spoke out on black gang violence. Recently a Chicago preacher spent several days camped on the rooftop of a vacant motel to protest black-on-black crime. You've cited the reasons yourself as to why the media doesn't cover certain stories. Stories of protest against black-on-black crime is not really a "headline grabber."
CB;"The investigation shouldn't be rushed just to please the angry mobs who until just last week didn't even know who Trayvon Martin was".
The investigation shouldn't be rushed???? SAY WHUUUUDD? The incident occurred on February 26, 2012! Zimmerman admitted killing Trayvon once the police arrived on the scene.
So, you have a dead boy and the admitted killer. Barring any racial aspect whatsoever, how long does it take to investigate these circumstances? Hell, O.J. Simpson was charged within a few days of his ex-wife's murder.
Tyrone, you're ignoring the fact that "THERE WAS NO INITIAL INVESTIGATION!" With all of the evidence, the 911 call tapes, the neighbors accounts, Trayvons cell phone, ballistics... NO INITIAL INVESTIGATION! Zimmerman gave his account of what happened and the Sanford Police ruled the shooting justifiable.
I agree with your assesment of the misdirected outrage over a single murder. Thousands of blacks are murdered each year, and the vast(90% plus by DoJ figures)are done by other blacks, and there's scarcely a peep from the media about it. I think the media mistakenly thought they had found a case to hang their hats on about a 'white guy' - Zimmerman - shooting some poor black youth.
One thing I do have to disagree with you about is the arguement that just because a 911 dispatcher advised him he didn't "need" to follow Trayvon that this somehow creates the situation where he has suddenly lost all his rights under the self defense law in the state of Florida.
Dispatchers are NOT law enforcement officers, nor do they have any real authority to direct a citizens actions one way or the other. Mr Zimmerman was doing what he has seemingly done in the past - and been lauded by his fellow neighbors for - followed someone who was in his neighborhood that appeared to be acting in a suspicious manner. What that manner was you nor I can say. We were not there, and seeing as how he (Zimmerman) doesn't have a history of gunning down people in his neighborhood then maybe we can give him some credit for judgement here.
From reports I am seeing about this case, local law enforcement had an eyewitness(s) who corroborate Zimmermans account of what happened. That he followed the person for a short time and when he attempted to return to his vehicle he was attacked from behind, was further attacked and pushed to the ground and then defended himself. I am sure the details of this series of events can and will be proven by evidence and witness reports.
And suppossing he hadn't been armed, or availed himself of the ability to defend himself ? Would we be having school walkouts and mass demonstrations if, instead, the headlines of this case had been "Neighborhood Watch volunteer found beaten to death. 911 call reveals his yells for help" ? Would we have the Rev Al and Mr Jacksons presence, demanding justice for the slain ? Would the press be there recording the New Black Panther Party as they demanded justice for the slaying ? I think we both know the answer there.
IMO this is just another case of a tragedy being used for political reasons, and knee-jerk reactions by large numbers of people who should instead be letting the police do their job and let the system have a chance to work.
I agree with your assesment of the misdirected outrage over a single murder. Thousands of blacks are murdered each year, and the vast(90% plus by DoJ figures)are done by other blacks, and there's scarcely a peep from the media about it. I think the media mistakenly thought they had found a case to hang their hats on about a 'white guy' - Zimmerman - shooting some poor black youth.
One thing I do have to disagree with you about is the arguement that just because a 911 dispatcher advised him he didn't "need" to follow Trayvon that this somehow creates the situation where he has suddenly lost all his rights under the self defense law in the state of Florida.
Dispatchers are NOT law enforcement officers, nor do they have any real authority to direct a citizens actions one way or the other. Mr Zimmerman was doing what he has seemingly done in the past - and been lauded by his fellow neighbors for - followed someone who was in his neighborhood that appeared to be acting in a suspicious manner. What that manner was you nor I can say. We were not there, and seeing as how he (Zimmerman) doesn't have a history of gunning down people in his neighborhood then maybe we can give him some credit for judgement here.
From reports I am seeing about this case, local law enforcement had an eyewitness(s) who corroborate Zimmermans account of what happened. That he followed the person for a short time and when he attempted to return to his vehicle he was attacked from behind, was further attacked and pushed to the ground and then defended himself. I am sure the details of this series of events can and will be proven by evidence and witness reports.
And suppossing he hadn't been armed, or availed himself of the ability to defend himself ? Would we be having school walkouts and mass demonstrations if, instead, the headlines of this case had been " Neighborhood Watch volunteer found beaten to death. 911 call reveals his yells for help " ? Would we have the Rev Al and Mr Jacksons presence, demanding justice for the slain ? Would the press be there recording the New Black Panther Party as they demanded justice for the slaying ? I think we both know the answer there.
IMO this is just another case of a tragedy being used for political reasons, and knee-jerk reactions by large numbers of people who should instead be letting the police do their job and let the system have a chance to work.
With all of these known fact Tyrone, even you have come to the conclusion that "when he got out of his truck to confront Trayvon, the situation became one of stalking and harassment by Mr. Zimmerman." Neither you nor I was there, as sure as neither you nor I are law enforcement officers. Yet in simply reading the facts our "non law enforcement" minds tells us Zimmerman was WRONG!
Now the question has to be "WHY" was Zimmerman exonerated from any and all crimes at the scene before an investigation, let alone without any investigation? Wouldn't the officers on the scene have known that the "Stand Your Ground Law" does not permit you to "pursue then engage" another person?
An officer that arrives on the scene of a shooting has to question an admitted shooter of his actions from all points leading up to the shooting. Mr. Zimmerman had to tell him "something" that led to the shooting. If Zimmerman told the officer he followed Trayvon, that was enough to detain him based on the merits of the law. Conversely, if Zimmerman told the officers on the scene anything other, the 911 tape would prove he was lying.
Again, barring any racial context, the question must be asked;
WHY DID THE SANFORD P.D. NEGLECT TO INVESTIGATE THE SHOOTING WITH SO MUCH EVIDENCE SHOWING THAT TRAYVON MARTIN DID NOTHING WRONG?
p allen "Tyrone, I'd bet you knew that it was a certainty that I'd weigh in on this one..."
Yeah, I kind of had a crazy hunch you would allen.
p allen "BULL$#!T!!! Over the past years here in Detroit I've attended several rallies against black-on-black violence. Celebrities like ex-pro football player, Jim Brown, for years has spoke out on black gang violence."
It's great that blacks are fed up with young black males being slaughtered in Detroit. Let me ask this question. Did the rallies you attended for the young black men that were killed get any of the level of media attention and outage outside of Detroit then what the Trayvon Martin case is getting? If not, why not? black on black murder might not be a "headline grabber", but a young black male is still dead regardless right? Where is the million hoodie marches for them allen? I've seen people try to almost elevate Trayvon Martin to the level of practical sainthood just because he was killed by a non black person. All we know about him is that he was killed coming home from the store. I know nothing about his life, and I won't try to feel in the blanks due to how he was killed.
p allen "
The investigation shouldn't be rushed???? SAY WHUUUUDD? The incident occurred on February 26, 2012! Zimmerman admitted killing Trayvon once the police arrived on the scene. "
No it shouldn't be rushed allen. Correct me if I am wrong,blacks hate it when there is a rush to judgement of another black person, the person is railroaded, the evidence is mishandled or destroyed, yet the person is sent to jail anyways just to send a message to please the public. If evidence is available to support the argument that Tayvon was shot unnecessarily but the evidence was tampered with, destroyed or whatever accidentally just to get the investigation back quickly, how would blacks feel if George Zimmerman is able to be set free if his defense attorney pointed that out allen? The investigation is going to come to a conclusion.
p allen "
So, you have a dead boy and the admitted killer. Barring any racial aspect whatsoever, how long does it take to investigate these circumstances? Hell, O.J. Simpson was charged within a few days of his ex-wife's murder. "
The OJ Simpson case wasn't about him killing his exwife and Ron Goldman in self defense either allen, big difference. There is now a story being circulated that an eye witness saw Trayvon beating Zimmerman. If the eye witness did indeed see that, then that changes the whole dynamics of this situation. The facts need to be crystal clear before any charges are laid out.
p allen "Tyrone, you're ignoring the fact that "THERE WAS NO INITIAL INVESTIGATION!" With all of the evidence, the 911 call tapes, the neighbors accounts, Trayvons cell phone, ballistics... NO INITIAL INVESTIGATION! Zimmerman gave his account of what happened and the Sanford Police ruled the shooting justifiable."
The grand jury is scheduled for April 10th. The prosecutor, police will make make a decesion on whether to officially press charges based on the evidence and eye witnesses testimonies. Chance are if the Grand Jury is made up of mostly blacks who have heard about this "which they all have", Zimmerman is going to be charged.
anon "I agree with your assesment of the misdirected outrage over a single murder. Thousands of blacks are murdered each year, and the vast(90% plus by DoJ figures)are done by other blacks, and there's scarcely a peep from the media about it. I think the media mistakenly thought they had found a case to hang their hats on about a 'white guy' - Zimmerman - shooting some poor black youth."
The media did think they hit racially pay dirt in this case. That is why now they along with others are trying to make the "white police force" of Sanford. The media can't have two democratic special interest voting blocks at each others throats. If Zimmerman is charged, I wonder would it put a strain on black and Hispanic relations? Democrat strategists can't afford for that nightmarish scenario to unfold.
anon "
One thing I do have to disagree with you about is the arguement that just because a 911 dispatcher advised him he didn't "need" to follow Trayvon that this somehow creates the situation where he has suddenly lost all his rights under the self defense law in the state of Florida."
Even Jeb Bush agreed that the Stand Your Ground law didn't apply in Zimmerman's situation. Zimmerman should have never adressed Martin. A Citizen Patrol person is suppose to report a crime to the police and let them take it from there. Zimmerman had no right to ask Trayvon Martin what he was doing in the neighborhood. George wasn't a cop, and Trayvon wasn't seen nor in the process of committing a crime. When George approached Trayvon, that set into motion the chain of events that could have all been avoided if he would have just laid off the kid.
anon "From reports I am seeing about this case, local law enforcement had an eyewitness(s) who corroborate Zimmermans account of what happened. That he followed the person for a short time and when he attempted to return to his vehicle he was attacked from behind, was further attacked and pushed to the ground and then defended himself. I am sure the details of this series of events can and will be proven by evidence and witness reports."
I'm sure one of the reasons the investigation is taking longer then usual is that the Sanford Police and the District Attorney are making sure without a shadow of a doubt that this special witness is beyond credible, did witness what he claimed and doesn't have an alternative motive to see Zimmerman get off.
p allen "With all of these known fact Tyrone, even you have come to the conclusion that "when he got out of his truck to confront Trayvon, the situation became one of stalking and harassment by Mr. Zimmerman."
I can't deny that allen. If a person was following me and then got out of his truck to confront me in an objective manner, I would be more so acting in defense mode then the person confronting me, however the question that will determine whether Zimmerman has a good case to claim self defense is whether Trayvon attacked Zimmerman as Zimmerman was walking "away" from him. If Zimmerman was jumped from behind by Trayvon, Zimmerman just may get off. That won't sit well with some people though.
p allen "Neither you nor I was there, as sure as neither you nor I are law enforcement officers. Yet in simply reading the facts our "non law enforcement" minds tells us Zimmerman was WRONG!"
If the eye witness saw how the whole situation unfolded, that person's word becomes golden regardless how people feel otherwise allen. If he gets off, Zimmerman might want to consider moving out of the country, because some crazy emotionally unhinged person will try to do something if they feel justice wasn't served.
p allen "Now the question has to be "WHY" was Zimmerman exonerated from any and all crimes at the scene before an investigation, let alone without any investigation? Wouldn't the officers on the scene have known that the "Stand Your Ground Law" does not permit you to "pursue then engage" another person? "
If the eye witness already gave a statement to the police, then that is probably why there hasn't been one. If Martin jumped Zimmerman, then it becomes a self defense issue for Zimmerman, then and only then is he justified to use force.
I feel for the family of this young man, but what about the families of thousands of other blacks beaten, murdered, raped and paralyzed every day by other black hoodlums. Where is the protest for the eleven year old in Miami, gunned down at three in the afternoon by a moron with an AK-47,
in Dallas a fifteen year old honor student murdered, the two year old in South Carolina, killed in a drive by, a twenty year old pizza delivery driver working his way through college murdered by two black youths. Across this country black thugs are creating havoc in their neighborhoods and we give them a pass. In ten years of war in Irag, about 4487 American troops were killed, in one year in the streets of America, over 5000 blacks are murdered by other blacks, where are the protesters? This incident will bring out the race hustlers, trying to capitalize on a sad situation, they don't really care about this family, only about their own agenda, they want to be in control.
Anon;"Thousands of blacks are murdered each year, and the vast(90% plus by DoJ figures)are done by other blacks, and there's scarcely a peep from the media about it".
Yeah anon, that's the ticket! No one ever talks about that! That's exactly whats needed in this conversation, the other causes of how black men die. No one ever talks about all the black men that die from Hypertension and Heart Disease (24%). Wheres the outrage??? Cancer (21.9%)Wheres the MEDIA? Stroke (5.0%), and nothing on FOX News. Fortunately homicide falls some where around 5% or "Oh boy" black folk would be in trouble... (end snark)
Read carefully Anon...
This is a major media story, and a outrage among not just blacks and other minorities, but a majority of justice minded Americans, because THE ADMITTED PERPETRATOR HAS NOT BEEN CHARGED WITH A CRIME. When blacks kill other blacks, if the perpetrator is identified, he or she is ARRESTED and CHARGED with the crime. That has not happened in this case. That is why so many people have gravitated to the case IN THE PURSUIT OF JUSTICE.
I'm totally aware that conservatives have a real problem with race being injected into this case. However, just that idea alone has caused conservative pundits and some racists groups to totally ignore FACTS and justify the killing of the young boy.
So what now? Okay, lets say that race played no part in the entire incident. Does that dismiss the fact that Zimmerman acted wrongly? NO! Thus, all we have left is to chalk it up as a incompetent bunch of police and local officials allowing a murderer to walk free for some unknown reason.
However, where does it leave all those who injected race? Race was not a factor for a murder, and the subsequent non-investigation by local officials. The so-called "race baiters" should be able to accept police incompetence and stupidity...shouldn't they?
Let me ask you this; what hurts the Martin family the most... having a child murdered and no subsequent investigation because of his race. Or having a son murdered because of stupidity incompetence followed by no investigation at all by local authorities.
CB;"There is now a story being circulated that an eye witness saw Trayvon beating Zimmerman. If the eye witness did indeed see that, then that changes the whole dynamics of this situation".
Where was that reported? Link to the story.
If there is such a story on the net, I hope there's a comment section on the page. Here's what makes that story bias and prejudicial.
Someone is heard screaming "help" on the 911 tapes. This call for help is what prompted the neighbors to call police. Now, some say that it was Zimmerman that was screaming for help. Put yourself in that situation. You're an "ARMED" neighborhood watch official. Some a person you've ALREADY identified to the police as a possible threat to the security of the neighborhood suddenly attacks you. Your very first inclination is to SCREAM FOR HELP?????
Yeah right!
Isn't this ironic... A stupid Florida man has been arrested for sending an email to Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee. The email said that Lee's family should be killed. Zimmerman kills a kid for walking in his neighborhood and still hasn't been arrested. Ohhh the irony. This story just keep getting dumber and dumber....
Black on black violence doesn't fit the narrative, so it won't get national attention. It's also darned inconvenient that Zimmerman turned out to be bi-racial.....it would be more convenient for the race pimps if Zimmerman were some old white protestant republican.....now that would be a perfect narrative! But, alas, they can't have everything, so we're stuck with arguing over the definition of 'white', and arguing that Zimmerman 'technically fits it' so we can shoehorn him back in to the initial talking point....and, besides, this is about the 'racist police' who refused to charge a hispanic man with a crime.....wait, what?!
I'm sorry, since when is the racist narrative that hispanic men are getting preferential treatment by the judical system? Idiots.
CB-"If he gets off, Zimmerman might want to consider moving out of the country, because some crazy emotionally unhinged person will try to do something if they feel justice wasn't served."
Last I found, the New Black Panther Party has put out a bounty and a death threat on Zimmerman.
If I'm correct, making death threats to a criminal suspect is a felony.
I remember blacks getting worked up over the Duke L across case. I said I wasn't going to comment until I knew all the facts. I was called every name in the book simply, because I wouldn't condemn the Duke players. A black Duke L across player said that his teammates didn't rape Crystal Gail Magnum, but blacks didn't care what he said. Matter of fact, they attacked him as being a racial sellout simply for telling the truth. When it was ultimately discovered that Crystal Gail was lying and made the who incident up, the very same people who were crying about racism and wanting the Duke players sent to jail disappeared without even issuing a public apology for being wrong. Simply put, nobody can be a rational, emotional thinker. You can only be one or the other. Let's see what the facts bring.
anon "Last I found, the New Black Panther Party has put out a bounty and a death threat on Zimmerman.
If I'm correct, making death threats to a criminal suspect is a felony."
This is the last thing this three ring racial soap opera circus needs is the New Black Panthers adding more fuel to this already simmering pot. If any of the NBP's are arrested for issuing death threats or offering bounties on Zimmerman's head, they and their supporters will be yelling that their arrests were racially motivated while completely ignoring that their words got them arrested in the first place.
p allen "Isn't this ironic... A stupid Florida man has been arrested for sending an email to Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee. The email said that Lee's family should be killed. Zimmerman kills a kid for walking in his neighborhood and still hasn't been arrested. Ohhh the irony. This story just keep getting dumber and dumber...."
Come on allen. The guy was arrested, because the Sanford Police had PROOF that the man sent the threatening letter!!!! The Zimmerman/ Martin incident is just a tad more complex then this cut and dry mail threat.
p allen "Where was that reported?
Eyewitness says Martin attacked Zimmerman first.
Author states that when Zimmerman got out of his truck he lost all ability to claim self-defense.
Getting out of the truck was clearly wrong. Did Zimmerman have criminal intent or just bad judgment? I don't know.
A new eyewitness has come forward claiming that Martin was on top of Zimmerman, beating him while Zimmerman yelled for help. Police have confirmed that Zimmerman's screams can be heard from the eyewitness's 911 call, so it does lend some credibility to that account.
If Martin was in fact beating on a man who was laying down in a prone position, then Martin has lost any claim to self-defense. He had removed any threat the man presented and further action was not warranted. Martin could have gotten up and ran away.
Police also confirmed that Zimmerman had a broken nose and head injuries. Those injuries are not consistent with someone who just "felt" threatened.
I don't know what happened. But too many people are jumping to conclusions. Zimmerman did not lose the ability to claim self-defense if he was in fact attacked.
The author calls Zimmerman a murderer without full knowledge of what happened. Zimmerman holds at least some fault for leaving his vehicle when instructed otherwise, but there is no evidence (yet, it may come during the investigation) to suggest he intended to kill the youth.
Good post but I was wondering, which I do hope that you have the answers to, do you know the exact location of the incident. A coworker told me that the incident took place inside a gated community that has been burglarized several times in the past, including Zimmerman himself. Also that Trayvon Martin, who does not live or stay within the gated community, could had been scooping out some houses for someone or himself to break into that night. I'm not saying that Zimmerman should be let off, just looking for the facts before letting the media tell me just one side of the story.
Good post but I was wondering, which I do hope that you have the answers to, do you know the exact location of the incident. A coworker told me that the incident took place inside a gated community that has been burglarized several times in the past, including Zimmerman himself. Also that Trayvon Martin, who does not live or stay within the gated community, could had been scooping out some houses for someone or himself to break into that night. I'm not saying that Zimmerman should be let off, just looking for the facts before letting the media tell me just one side of the story.
Can someone explain to me why the only reason this is making so much attention is only the simple fact that it was a white/Hispanic man shooting a black man so then it must be a racial shooting therefore constituting it as a hate crime. Why isn't it then a hate crime shooting when a black man shoots a black man or a Hispanic shoots a Hispanic or black man shoots a white man or any of those scenarios. Racial bias to me is nothing but hate hate for someOnes color gender group or anything else for that matter.
Obama is NOT a good leader. He is a good community organizer. But he is NOT a good leader. A good leader would not have weighed in on the Trayvon Martin/ George Zimmerman matter by calling the parents of the young man - and then remain SILENT when the New Black Panther Party puts out a 10,000 and then a Million Dollar bounty (DEAD or ALIVE) on Zimmerman. How does someone leading a nation do that. The answer, folks, is that Obama is not a good leader. And in my opinion certainly should not have been appointed to be a leader of a nation.
This is why i hate black people, they don't possess the ability to think rationally this Zimmerman thing is going to end up being another Rodney King episode where innocent white people are attacked and possibly killed because a few savage monkeys are mad that some thug was killed, but nobody gives it a second glance when a black person kills another black person which happens on a daily basis, honestly humanity, as a whole, would be better off if blacks were to go extinct.
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