Tuesday, February 10, 2009

RNC Chairman Michael Steele had to educate George Stephanopoulos on the difference between "jobs" and "work".

This is really starting to become extremely annoying. It was bad enough that Rush Limbaugh had to school Mark Haines on how capitalism actually works. It got even worse this past Sunday. The RNC Chairman Michael Steele had to explain the difference between a "job" and a "government work project" like the ones Obama wants to create with his pork bill. Why is it that I understand exactly what Steele was saying, yet Stephanopoulous had that "dear caught in the headlights" look? They're is a noticeable difference between the two.







It's amazing that such a simple concept is completely ignored by the left.

18 Comments:

Blogger JARNCO5 said...

Conservative Brother,
One point you missed was this and you don't generally miss any, Obama is not fully black... as far as I know Michael Steele is. This means Obama is trying to copy Steele claiming he is African American when he is really a biracial liberal racist. Am I wrong?

We would not even need to talk about this if the left would stop spinning it against Steele who is obviously the better man regardless of the fact he shares the same skin color with Obama.

Steele is one hell of a communicator and I get the feeling he is winning you over at least on fiscal issues CB? We can work him on the social issues together if we need too. That goes for Huckabee or anyone Palin included if they stray they should pay on conservative blogs.

Steele is a pretty decent guy in my mind. Nice find in that video.

2:37 AM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

Jarnc05;"One point you missed was this and you don't generally miss any, Obama is not fully black"

"Fully" Black??? What is that?

Such attitudes for those that see themselves as "White" has always been that of "second nature" and shows a lack of understanding of race in general.

Race is a social construct, or what we believe to be differences in geographical ancestry, genetic makeup and skin color.

From the beginning, and to this day Americans have been indoctrinated to recognize race as an arbitrary caste system. The fact that you place a profound judgment on what's "fully" Black and what is not, tells me that you, like many other Americans, believe in the establish white social hierarchy which dictates the physical and emotional well being of non-white Americans.

Jarnco, if you were to truly believe that "all men are created equal", there would be no need to question nor judge what is "fully" black, "fully" white or "fully" any race. As human beings we don't get to choose what race we are.

Jarnc05;"This means Obama is trying to copy Steele claiming he is African American when he is really a biracial liberal racist. Am I wrong?"

Biracial racist??? Racist against who? His white staff? His white friends? The White Americans whom voted him into office??

And copying Steele?? Please explain why a grown man would need to copy another grown man to prove that he too is an African American?

For you to suggest that Obama would, (or should) "copy" another Black man shows condescension to both Obama and Steele. Regardless of your person beliefs, Steele is no less black than Obama is more Black, and vice-versa. Regardless of their politics they are both "MEN" first! When you, and many others like you, learn to respect that fact, there will be no need to categorize a Micheal Steele or Barack Obama...

6:45 PM  
Blogger JARNCO5 said...

P. Anthony,
Some in the media have suggested the Republicans only picked Michael Steele to be RNC Chairman because he is black and to copy the Democrats who elected Obama. I guess what the left is saying then is that Obama indeed was an affirmative action candidate to them? And now the Republicans are picking an affirmative action candidate too according to them?

In Steele's case he was qualified period! He is a great communicator of his thoughts and opinions. Nothing second class about that and he has two black parents as far as I know... ?

Obama on the other hand has a white mother. So Obama is biracial or half black or half white. After that you are just reading into what I said. Are you judging me by skin color P. Anthony? It sure sounded like it when you said this:

"such attitudes for those that see themselves as "White" has always been that of "second nature" and shows a lack of understanding of race in general.""

I do consider Obama intolerant and left wing. Obam chose to stay by his Rev. Wright all those 20 plus years on his own and he most certainly is a racist.

Reality in America is whites today suffer a lot of racial discrimination that is also government sponsored. Affirmative action programs are racist to some degree. In America today I think many Affirmative action programs have gone overboard. All races can claim to be discriminated against.

Obama chose to Identify as black according to Obama himself. Nothing of that makes anyone first or second class in my opinion. You are the one who said that not me. In fact since I said Steele was "fully black" and a better man I guess I am saying more black is better in this case if I follow your logic. I am not other people you have encountered... I am only me. I am not what you envision from experiences with others.

My being white has nothing to do with anything any more than Steele being black does. Yeah, I happen to be a white man. Because of that I can't speak on racial issues in your mind? I know not what color you are and I don't care.

I am just making a point in my first comment about comments I have heard aimed at Republicans who chose Steele as RNC Chair... a white man can speak his mind on racial issues too... after all if they can't that's a racist double standard is it not?

You don't have to like my opinion... I don't take offense at all. I may be reading to much into what you said too. I don't think two people set out to argue... keyboards are a limited form of communication. Hoping I did a better job this time?

I have a blog and shot some video today that I know I made some stupid remarks in... I posted it anyway and no one has called me on them. Wish you would. No way I will take the time to clarify my opinions if others won't even challenge the slip ups.

I let the video go because it covered lots of controversial topics even though it did not make me look to intelligent. If you feel like a stab at it and me come visit Voice of Conservative America and watch it. I left myself open for criticism.

I may be guilty of typing a not so well thought out comment above but, I think the owner of this blog handles people well including me. I am sure he can put me in my place if I cross a line in the sand. I would tell him if I thought he crossed one.

This is how people learn to be tolerant by talking. I use White and black because if I use say English or African... well I could not be sure if a white is English and I could not be sure if a black man is African. Interestingly whites today can be African too. What if they come to America from South Africa? I don't like the new politically correct terms.

I believe in God and that God created men all equal regardless of skin color.

1:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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6:28 AM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

JARNC "Conservative Brother,
One point you missed was this and you don't generally miss any, Obama is not fully black... as far as I know Michael Steele is. This means Obama is trying to copy Steele claiming he is African American when he is really a biracial liberal racist. Am I wrong?"

EXCELLENT POINT JARNC!!!!! I've never thought about that, you're absolutely right!! I bet they never thought about that either lol. I going to run that past them and watch their heads explode in trying to explain it.

JARNC"We would not even need to talk about this if the left would stop spinning it against Steele who is obviously the better man regardless of the fact he shares the same skin color with Obama."

That's the difference between the RIGHT and the LEFT. Conservatives are more concerned about the well being of this country and other issues of importance. Liberals are focused on race 24/7. They are not only consumed by race, they are OBSESSED WITH IT!! It's extremely pitiful of them actually. That is why they are the kooky left.

JARNOC "Steele is one hell of a communicator and I get the feeling he is winning you over at least on fiscal issues CB? We can work him on the social issues together if we need too. That goes for Huckabee or anyone Palin included if they stray they should pay on conservative blogs."

Did you hear the news jarnc? Governor Bobby Jindal will give the Republican response to Obama's State of the Union address. THIS SHOULD BE GREAT!!!Jindal has gotten the call to the big time show!!I'm so psyched for him!! It will be awesome watching a true conservative explain why Obama's socialist ideology is wrong for this country. It will be the perfect contrasts in views.
This goes to what I've been saying for awhile now jarnc. The Republican Party has many rising stars in the wings. Now that I think about it, Democrats really only have Obama.

JARNC"Steele is a pretty decent guy in my mind. Nice find in that video."

Thanks jarnc, the Obama kooks on youtube didn't take kindly to the video though. The whole concept of what Steele was saying went completely over their heads as usual. I guess with liberal talking points to break it down for them, it made no sense.

11:44 PM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

P Allen ""Fully" Black??? What is that?Such attitudes for those that see themselves as "White" has always been that of "second nature" and shows a lack of understanding of race in general.


You're not a slow thinker allen. You know what it means. It's really as simple as it's stated allen. Get with the program. Actually allen jarnc, has a very valid point. They're are liberals that are saying that Steele was elected to "copy" Obama. In theory based on biology, they are wrong. Steele's mother was BLACK and Obama's mother was WHITE. No matter how some people want to spin it, Obama is "BIRACIAL". Steele is totally "BLACK". What jarnc said wasn't being racist or insensitive in the least,he was simply stating an obvious fact that some people want to act like it's not true. Obama referred to himself as a "mutt" for a reason. Take it up with Obama allen.

P Allen "The fact that you place a profound judgment on what's "fully" Black and what is not, tells me that you, like many other Americans, believe in the establish white social hierarchy which dictates the physical and emotional well being of non-white Americans."

Profound judgment? jarnc was stating the TRUTH allen and not making a "judgement". I've know blacks that didn't acknowledge children of interracial relations as being "black" allen. I have a question for you allen, and I want you to answer it truthfully and with none of your typical spin. Here's the question.

What is the definition of a "HALF BREED"?

P Allen "Jarnco, if you were to truly believe that "all men are created equal", there would be no need to question nor judge what is "fully" black, "fully" white or "fully" any race. As human beings we don't get to choose what race we are."

Once again allen, you trying to play the racial victim card against jarnc, because you are unable to actually address what he said. Jarnc said nothing about inequality or equality, he was simply making reference to his biological makeup and nothing more.

jarnc "Biracial racist??? Racist against who? His white staff? His white friends? The White Americans whom voted him into office??"

Did you read some of the passages from Obama's book "Dreams of my Fatehr" allen? Did you read Michelle Obama's Princeton thesis? We've been over this allen. This is nothing new to you, you just choose to ignore it.

p allen "And copying Steele?? Please explain why a grown man would need to copy another grown man to prove that he too is an African American?"

Tell that to your fellow liberals allen. THEY ARE THE ONES MAKING THAT CLAIM AGAINST THE RNC NOT CONSERVATIVES.!!

P Allen "For you to suggest that Obama would, (or should) "copy" another Black man shows condescension to both Obama and Steele.

Listen once again allen. You can't come to grips that your fellow liberals are the ones making the claims in the first place. Why don't you go onto youtube and the huffington post and go after them instead jarnc who made a factual claim that debunks theirs?

P Allen "Regardless of your person beliefs, Steele is no less black than Obama is more Black, and vice-versa. Regardless of their politics they are both "MEN" first! When you, and many others like you, learn to respect that fact, there will be no need to categorize a Micheal Steele or Barack Obama..."

Normally I would agree allen, but they were the ones that threw it out their, and it had to have been responded too. Your fellow liberals should respect facts allen that Steele is a man that was chosen for the job as RNC Chairman not to "copy" Obama. Once again, go after the leftist kooks that are actually saying this in the first place.

12:11 AM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

American social construct dictates that "one drop", or any discernible trace of indigenous African ancestry, makes that individual Black. The so-called "one-drop-rule" stems from the Jim Crow era and was used as a demarcation for the segregationist policies.

The rule became law in Virginia in the Racial Integrity Act of 1924. From that point until it was challenged in 1967, the one-drop rule was the de-facto law of the land.

In American society the basic idea of a "mixed" or "not-fully" individual is in itself degradation of humanistic value. No one chooses who or what they are at birth. As you left your mothers womb and placed in her arms, whatever race the government decided for you, your mother loved what god created.

No one can dispute the fact that America was built on, and for centuries maintained, a social hierarchy. Do old habits die hard? For the most part, yes they do. The resulting mindset of that social hierarchy is the "second nature" that I refer to.

If we are to correct the mistakes of the past, we must first realize what those mistakes were. One such mistake is the racial social construct. A mind free of racial bigotry is a mind that doesn't see half's, wholes or "full" races...It see's men.

12:47 AM  
Anonymous Diane said...

These comments have been nteresting. I can follow what all of you are saying here. I think, in the end, you are all saying the same thing. The bottom line is, Michael Steele has gotten where he is based on his credentials. He is doing an amazing job, and I believe he will continue to. It is hard to know what people mean by what they say unless we walk in their shoes. Personally, I do not think Jarnco5 meant any insult by what he said, and he acknowledges he may not have written a good post, so it is all a mute point, and a teachable moment. And P Anthony Allen, I appreciate your teaching us what this means to you, and historically what it has meant to our nation. I hope that we will one day get to the point where we just understand that we each have different experiences coming into this, and respect that for each other. I think both of you have shared your point of view in very honestly, and I have learned from both of you, what you meant. Thanks for being civil, in this not so civil world right now.

I think this is an excellent post by the blogger. I loved the way you bridged your points together. I love it, and am passing it along.

The only issue I have, is in the video, you used the word retarded as a slang. It is actually a medical term. My daughter has mental retardation. Yes, it is still used medically speaking, and it is all over her paper work. It is a little thing, and one I hate to split hairs over, cuz the politically correct police can make me crazy. But I have to say, when I hear it from a person who has my attention, I cringe just a little due to the abuse of this word. In that way, I guess that is why the conversation between the two guys I could understand where they were both coming from. We each bring our own experience to a conversation. For me, my daughter is such a gift for me, and her diagnosis being flung around, like it is a good way to describe stuff we hate, hurts. But that is just me. And I don't expect to police you on it, just thought I would share that thought with you , in case you wanted it. LOL. God bless all of you for this great conversation. Please don't stop talking, we need leadership in the conservative party. Calm, sane leadership. I feel like I have found some here~Thank you!

9:31 AM  
Blogger JARNCO5 said...

CB,

Yes, I had heard Governor Bobby Jindal will give the Republican response to Obama's State of the Union address. It will be interesting to see how well he can communicate his opinions in the response.

10:04 AM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

CB;"In theory based on biology, they are wrong. Steele's mother was BLACK and Obama's mother was WHITE. No matter how some people want to spin it, Obama is "BIRACIAL". Steele is totally "BLACK"."

"Biracial" is an American social construct. The "label" of biracial has no other implication or societal discourse other than classifying a person as "not White".

CB;"In theory based on biology," and, "Obama is "BIRACIAL". Steele is totally "BLACK"."

Based on biology? What scientific evidence do you have that shows Steele is any different "biologically" than Obama? It's obvious you believe in the "biracial" label the way most Americans believe in the law of gravity....they believe in it without even knowing why, or what it is they believe in.

In America the label "biracial" has become the replacement (in some circles a "code-word") for one black parent, one white parent. Thus, for societal purposes the offspring will not be viewed as part of the white race.

For obvious reasons, these labels are different from society to society. If he were in South Africa, he would be "Colored". If he were in the Caribbean, he would be a "Mulatto". In Brazil he would be "Moreno".

CB asks;"What is the definition of a "HALF BREED"?

Of it's origin, the term was use to "define" any person born of one European parent, the other Native American. Okay, no spin...so whats your point?

In it's origin, "half-breed" was also an American pejorative, the same as "nigger", "spic", "chink" etc... Just as the term biracial, it's sole intent is to "define" a person as non-white.

CB;"Listen once again allen. You can't come to grips that your fellow liberals are the ones making the claims in the first place. Why don't you go onto youtube and the huffington post and go after them instead jarnc who made a factual claim that debunks theirs?"

With all due respect Tyrone, I'm going to have to take you to task on this one!!!!

I don't know Jarnco personally. For all I know, he could be a fabulous guy with all good intentions and not a racist bone in his body. If you do not know him personally, he could very well be the total opposite. I'm not going to judge him either way.

Yet, for his assertion (and apparently yours also) that Steele is "more" Black than Obama, you, me or any other African American is ABSURD!!!

It amazes me how you can call yourself a Christian and say such a thing. In the bible it says all all humans descended from Noah, through his three sons Shem, Japheth and Ham. Were Noah's son's "half breeds, biracial, fully white or black."

You spoke about a "biological" difference between Obama and Steele. "Biologically" almost anything can happen when it comes to what American society has labeled as "race". Mixed Couple has Twins, One White, One Black

As for Steele, to look at his "skin color" and features one could hardly say he has African features as compared to this West African man

I don't hold it against Jarnco. He is only stating what he has lived and been taught. On the other hand Tyrone, you (being black yourself) should know better. You should know that over the years "Blacks" in this country have been defined, redefined, renamed, un-named, from Colored to Negro to African Americans to Black to Biracial. It all implies the same...NOT WHITE!

At any time did Jarnco infer that Obama was WHITE? No definitely not, because the American social construct and social order has never allowed such a distinction. What Janrco doesn't realize is that "white men" (no offence intended) in America have always dictated what is "white" and what is not.

Here we have a white man, who may very well have no ill-intentions, dictating what is Black...not what is "WHITE", but what is Black.

Side note; It reminds me of a movie I once saw, where the White director was demostrating to a Black actor the way to "act Black".

4:05 PM  
Blogger JARNCO5 said...

P. Anthony,
You said:
"I don't know Jarnco personally. For all I know, he could be a fabulous guy with all good intentions and not a racist bone in his body. If you do not know him personally, he could very well be the total opposite. I'm not going to judge him either way."

Why did you make a statement questioning whether or not I am a racist period? Is it because I happen to be white and talk about topics that you deem off limits but, not off limits to Tyrone? Just asking because Tyrone has made more pointed comments than me in this thread. I guess only whites can be racist in some lines of thinking? That in itself is racist is it not?

You said:
"I don't hold it against Jarnco. He is only stating what he has lived and been taught. On the other hand Tyrone, you (being black yourself) should know better."

To me that statement is filled with thought bordering on racism in itself... I get the meaning and the point of what is stated in that comment. I believe you understood my point in the first comment to Tyrone's post also P. Anthony. You and I have different ideologies and that is the true reason we are having this conversation in my opinion..


You said:
"What Janrco doesn't realize is that "white men" (no offence intended) in America have always dictated what is "white" and what is not."

Others have always dictated in America that only "whites" can be racist for the most part. That is as fair a statement as the one made above in my opinion and also supported by it.

Every race has been victim to racism... I left a link in my previous comment to you P. Anthony of a video I did... I certainly made some wrong comments in it and would like them questioned so I have reason to clarify them.

P. Anthony you are welcome to come over to my blog and feel me out. I think Tyrone is one of the most open minded people in America.

I am sure things I say can and due get construed as racist without intent to be that way.

P. Anthoney... I bet if we knew each other we would be good friends who still did not agree on certain politics.

Like I said I believe that God created all humans equal. Life is just to test us. I myself wish I had done a better job on many things on my testing.

Hope we all come away from this discussion better people. My first comment was just making a point... I knew how it could also sound... I still felt well these things need to be put out in the open to be discussed.

For the record... some with harder views do post on my blog comments sections... I saw one comment that I did not agree with and just did not respond... To support ones race is fine but to attack a second race is not in my opinion.

All people should have pride in the place they come from... it's healthy as long as they also celebrate the common bonds we as people of the human race also have.

6:50 PM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

Diane "I think this is an excellent post by the blogger. I loved the way you bridged your points together. I love it, and am passing it along."

Thank you Diane, I appreciate your kind feedback, and welcome to my blog.

Diane "Please don't stop talking, we need leadership in the conservative party. Calm, sane leadership. I feel like I have found some here~Thank you!"

I absolutely agree with you Diane. If Bush would have acted like a fiscal conservative instead of a liberal big spender as well as the Republicans in congress during his two terms. Republicans would still be in power right now. Hopefully they are starting to get the message that acting like liberals won't win them elections now and in the future.

8:18 PM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

p allen "Based on biology? What scientific evidence do you have that shows Steele is any different "biologically" than Obama? It's obvious you believe in the "biracial" label the way most Americans believe in the law of gravity....they believe in it without even knowing why, or what it is they believe in.

Sit down allen and look ahead at the chalk board. These are the definitions of the word "biracial"

Biracial means "consisting of or combining TWO races"

Biracial means "A person who identifies coming from TWO races. A person whose biological parents are of TWO different races.

Biracial means "- A child born of TWO different races, one of them Black.

Does this help you any allen?

p allen "In America the label "biracial" has become the replacement (in some circles a "code-word") for one black parent, one white parent. Thus, for societal purposes the offspring will not be viewed as part of the white race."

Allen,you never struck me as being a conspiracy kook. Just when you think you know a person, you find out something new. lol Do you know what the definition of the word "bi" is allen? It simply means MORE THEN ONE!! It's no code or conspiracy I assure you.

p allen "CB asks;"What is the definition of a "HALF BREED"?
Of it's origin, the term was use to "define" any person born of one European parent, the other Native American. Okay, no spin...so whats your point?

You just acknowledge the definition of the word, hence you know what my point is. You just made it allen!!!I mean geez allen, stop being thick for a moment. I like to to drink Turkey Hill Lemonade Ice Tea. Some people call it HALF & HALF. If I pure half a glass of lemonade in a glass then fill the other half with ice tea, do do I have a glass or ice tea, lemonade or neither allen?

p allen "Here we have a white man, who may very well have no ill-intentions, dictating what is Black...not what is "WHITE", but what is Black."

There are many blacks that define what is black and what is biracial the exact same way as I and Jarnc do allen. What do you think about biracial people that identify both their races and refer to themselves as such, biracial? Would you criticize them as well allen or only whites who say it?

p allen "Side note; It reminds me of a movie I once saw, where the White director was demostrating to a Black actor the way to "act Black"."

There are black students in public schoosl that attack other black students that don't speak ebonics as "acting or speaking white". So what is your point allen? IN the thread, nobody has mentioned anything about how a black person "should act". You are the one who brought that up allen. Read your own words.

P Allen "I don't hold it against Jarnco. He is only stating what he has lived and been taught. On the other hand Tyrone, you (being black yourself) should know better."

You have finally lost your mind allen. lol lol I should know better allen?!lol lol lol Must jarnc have a special license in order to comment on anything dealing with race because he's white allen? You are proving everything that I've been saying about liberals both black and white from day one allen. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR DOING IT!!!!
To settle the record, both of my parents were black, hence I am BLACK. If one of my parents would have been white, then I would be "biracial. You are trying to create something where there is nothing allen. jarnc didn't say anything negative about Obama or Steele based on race, your going after him because YOU FEEL that he can't comment on the issue based on the COLOR OF HIS SKIN. As a liberal allen, I think you need to take a course in DIVERSITY TRAINING.lol

8:48 PM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

P Allen "
I don't know Jarnco personally. For all I know, he could be a fabulous guy with all good intentions and not a racist bone in his body. If you do not know him personally, he could very well be the total opposite. I'm not going to judge him either way."

I think you already have already formed an opinion about jarnc based on his race and political ideology. Then again, maybe I shouldn' judge you either way on that allen? If you like most liberals, double standards are not just acceptable, they are mandated.

8:52 PM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

Just got wind of this! It appears that the FBI is investigating Steele for alleged fraud during his 2006 campaign. It also appears he was "ratted" out by felon looking for a deal.

9:50 PM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

The FBI investigate individuals are the time allen. That is why they are called the Federal Bureau of INVESTIGATIONS. If you guys allen, it's really more so to do with the "SERIOUSNESS OF THE CHARGE" or so that if anything comes from it. You remember the so called "troopergate" scandal that Palin was under investigation for in the claims that she was"abusing power" allen? She was cleared of any wrong doing. You are the one always saying "not to judge". So are you taking another hypocritical stance now allen?

11:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bi-racial mean just that a child born from two races. 85% of all Blacks in America are mixed with something. European, African, African american and Black American with Asians or European.
Three main strains of race exist and all others area mixture of the three. American Indians are from China across the Baring Strait.
Why do Black always blame whites for everything they did all by themselves. Blacks accept all mixtures, regardless. Whites parents have raISED BLACK CHILDREN.
Many foster kids who were black were raised by white foster parents. 500000 whites died in the civil war freeing slaves. Sometimes we must say THANK YOU. When Africans are still slaves today by the millions, and Black American say and do nothing. We have escaped slaves telling us that they need help, and all we do is argued about who is black and bi-racial. we are all bi-racial.
Steel is mixed, otherwise he would be as black as Obama's father from Kenya.

9:24 PM  
Anonymous Diane said...

I think everyone needs to read Thomas Sowell's book, Black Redneck, White Liberal. That would help everyone with this conversation. I assure you. Get it. You will be glad you did.

11:59 AM  

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