Martin Bashir and Goldie Taylor throw a hissy fit over Herman Cain not being "angry, assertive and agressive" for a black guy.
Martin Bashir of MSNBC has some serious issues he needs to resolve in his head. This guy is so hard boiled on race, his brain cells pop like popcorn kernels whenever anything related to race, conservatives and the Republican party are mentioned. That actually describes MSNBC also. If anyone hasn't seen the attempted Pearl Harbor attack interview by Lawerence O'Donnell also of MSNBC on Herman Cain, I'll post it later for you all see. I hate repeating myself, but when I am right, I'm right. As I said, liberals despise, loath and are foaming at the mouth at the shear reality that Herman Cain is a black republican conservative and is getting so much attention and momentum. Martin Bashir on crack pipe MSNBC said
"The people that he's appealing to, the people that he needs to win over in order to win a primary, those people do not want to hear from a black man who’s aggressive, assertive, angry. They want to hear from a man who's assimilated, calm, measured. That's why he's [Herman Cain] doing it."
Listening to Goldie Taylor's remarks, I just wanted to burst out laughing uncontrollably. I figured the left was going to sink their teeth into the Perry hunting lodge story, however these are the same people who attacked anyone on the right for daring to utter a word about Obama for 20 years attending the Trinity United Racist Cult of Christ. When people brought up the issue about the church's black value system, Obama supporters said that the topic was irrelevant. If Rick Perry attended a church that followed a white value system, would it still be "irrelevant" to them? Many Americans are sick and tired of the issue of race being exploited and rubbed raw on a second by second basis by the left, and Herman Cain knows it. When real issues of racism is presented, let's talk about it and address it. What progressives keep harping on are issues of political expedience disguised as racism. Herman Cain wants to focus and talk about the issues facing America in 2011 while progressives like Martin Bashir, Goldie Taylor, Lawrence O'Donnell, Keith Olberman etc want to bog Cain down on stuff that is irrelevant to his candidacy in an attempt to turn off Cain's support base. This is the left's strategy against Cain. If Herman Cain was a copy of Obama in regards to ideology, Cain would be done right now as a candidate. Martin Bashir was right in what he said to a degree. The people Herman Cain needs to win over don't want to hear from an angry, assertive agrressive black man. It probably never dawned on Martin nor Goldie Taylor that is the reason why Barck Obama was able to have at one time broad based support among white Democratic voters. He didn't come across as "angry, aggressive and assertive" for a black man. That is why he was called the "magic negro" by David Ehrenstein of the LA Times. Obama succeeded where other Democratic candidates for president like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Carol Mosley Braun and others failed. They were seen by moderate white Democrats as black militants, so they weren't taken seriously because of it. I wish I could ask Martin why should a black candidate by angry, aggressive and assertive in the first place. If white candidates for president don't come off like that, why should black ones? According to the latest Zogby Poll which came out yesterday, Herman Cain has a 20 point lead over Mitt Romney. Cain has accomplished this simply by being himself and sticking to his message and the real issues. The double standard by the left is clearly on display. Obama is considered "cool and calm" by the left, and they like that about him, yet they attack for not being angry, assertive and aggressive. Do these people truly understand how phony they are coming across to the rest of us?
"The people that he's appealing to, the people that he needs to win over in order to win a primary, those people do not want to hear from a black man who’s aggressive, assertive, angry. They want to hear from a man who's assimilated, calm, measured. That's why he's [Herman Cain] doing it."
Listening to Goldie Taylor's remarks, I just wanted to burst out laughing uncontrollably. I figured the left was going to sink their teeth into the Perry hunting lodge story, however these are the same people who attacked anyone on the right for daring to utter a word about Obama for 20 years attending the Trinity United Racist Cult of Christ. When people brought up the issue about the church's black value system, Obama supporters said that the topic was irrelevant. If Rick Perry attended a church that followed a white value system, would it still be "irrelevant" to them? Many Americans are sick and tired of the issue of race being exploited and rubbed raw on a second by second basis by the left, and Herman Cain knows it. When real issues of racism is presented, let's talk about it and address it. What progressives keep harping on are issues of political expedience disguised as racism. Herman Cain wants to focus and talk about the issues facing America in 2011 while progressives like Martin Bashir, Goldie Taylor, Lawrence O'Donnell, Keith Olberman etc want to bog Cain down on stuff that is irrelevant to his candidacy in an attempt to turn off Cain's support base. This is the left's strategy against Cain. If Herman Cain was a copy of Obama in regards to ideology, Cain would be done right now as a candidate. Martin Bashir was right in what he said to a degree. The people Herman Cain needs to win over don't want to hear from an angry, assertive agrressive black man. It probably never dawned on Martin nor Goldie Taylor that is the reason why Barck Obama was able to have at one time broad based support among white Democratic voters. He didn't come across as "angry, aggressive and assertive" for a black man. That is why he was called the "magic negro" by David Ehrenstein of the LA Times. Obama succeeded where other Democratic candidates for president like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Carol Mosley Braun and others failed. They were seen by moderate white Democrats as black militants, so they weren't taken seriously because of it. I wish I could ask Martin why should a black candidate by angry, aggressive and assertive in the first place. If white candidates for president don't come off like that, why should black ones? According to the latest Zogby Poll which came out yesterday, Herman Cain has a 20 point lead over Mitt Romney. Cain has accomplished this simply by being himself and sticking to his message and the real issues. The double standard by the left is clearly on display. Obama is considered "cool and calm" by the left, and they like that about him, yet they attack for not being angry, assertive and aggressive. Do these people truly understand how phony they are coming across to the rest of us?
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 10:44 AM
19 Comments:
CB;"If Rick Perry attended a church that followed a white value system, would it still be "irrelevant" to them?.
The difference is the "white value system" is painted over and hidden under a rock. However, it's still there. All one needs to do is turn over the rock...
CB;"Herman Cain wants to focus and talk about the issues facing America in 2011 while progressives like Martin Bashir, Goldie Taylor, Lawrence O'Donnell, Keith Olberman etc want to bog Cain down on stuff that is irrelevant".
LOOOOOLLLL... All presidential candidates would love for media types to just "focus and talk about the issues facing America." Did it upset you when media folks wanted to talk about Rev. Wright, a birth certificate, Bill Ayers, etc... with then candidate Barack Obama?
All the "hacking" still hasn't cleared your throat Tyrone. When it's your candidate, tough questions are irrelevant. When it's "libruls" the questions aren't tough enough.
In this day of "bias cable, radio, print and internet media", presidential candidates are going to have to take the bitter with the sweet. If Herman Cain doesn't want to be hammered with questions, like the ones he got from Lawrence O'Donnell, he can choose not to go on their show, or not to talk to "libruls" at all.
CB;"If anyone hasn't seen the attempted Pearl Harbor attack interview by Lawerence O'Donnell also of MSNBC on Herman Cain, I'll post it later for you all see".
I saw it, and I'll be honest in my critique. Some of the interview questions did make me a bit uncomfortable. Unlike you Tyrone, I do have a problem with someone who is White posing questions, or making implications as to how or what a Black person should do, should have done, what to believe, or how to think, simply because you're Black.
O'Donnell's implication of what Cain should have done [because Cain is Black] during the Civil Rights Movement, I believe was totally out of line. Such a question should not apply simply because the candidate is Black. If at all it should apply to any or "ALL" presidential candidates who were of age during the movement, black, white or whatever!
I think O'Donnell should apologize or at least clarify his intent with that line of questioning.
However....! (you knew it was coming, didn't you)
Cain did write something in his book that wasn't true. He said that he was to young to participate in the Civil Rights Movement, and that it was "college students" who were involved in the protests. O'Donnell did point out that Cain was indeed a college student during that time. Still, that doesn't justify O'Donnells implication that Cain should have participated the movement.
It shows that left leaning commentators can be jackasses at times. But as I stated, unlike you I can call out a "librul" when he or she makes a dumb statement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dq1kHXqHo8
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdq33Cs8JJc
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He still gets my vote!
Thank you for standing strong and thinking independently! As an educated Hispanic female that comes from a staunchly Democrat family, I find myself making the same arguments you do with regard to immigration and race. Liberals have succeeded in convincing minorities they have to vote Democrat. Loyalty to their party is purely emotional instead of intellectual. I respect and support Cain for not playing the oh-so-easy victim card and living the America dream by working hard. This country needs more makers and less takers.
Tyrone, you said this;"Obama succeeded where other Democratic candidates for president like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Carol Mosley Braun and others failed. They were seen by moderate white Democrats as black militants, so they weren't taken seriously because of it".
You said Jackson, Sharpton and Braun are seen as "militant" which is why "moderate white Democrats" don't take them seriously. Being "militant" is the essence of being "aggressive, assertive and angry." Bashir said that, "the people he [Cain] needs to win over" (ie; conservative/republicans) don't want to hear it either! YOU'RE SAYING THE SAME THING AS BASHIR!
So, for you to imply that Bashir is having a "hissy fit, phoney, on crack" because Cain is not "angry, assertive and aggressive", is disingenuous, and yet again, hypocritical. Bashir's opinion/observation of Republican voters, is the same as yours of Democrat voters.
p allen "The difference is the "white value system" is painted over and hidden under a rock. However, it's still there. All one needs to do is turn over the rock..."
What you said made absolutely zero sense allen. I know you have a hang up for the rock, but what I said had nothing to do about it allen. You as always have to try and deflect the topic when you can't defend against the claim.
p allen "LOOOOOLLLL... All presidential candidates would love for media types to just "focus and talk about the issues facing America." Did it upset you when media folks wanted to talk about Rev. Wright, a birth certificate, Bill Ayers, etc... with then candidate Barack Obama? "
If you can present an interview of Lawrence O'Donnell disrespecting Barack Obama in an interview, I will concede my point allen. Until the point, I call BS on what you just said. The media went out of its way to not investigate Obama's past, his affiliation with Trinity United Cult nor the birth certificate claims. So who do you think you are fooling allen? You progressives were crying bloody murder when Sarah Palin said that Bill Ayers was "paling around with terrorists" in which he did pal around with Ayers. So again, do you really want to go there?
p allen "All the "hacking" still hasn't cleared your throat Tyrone. When it's your candidate, tough questions are irrelevant. When it's "libruls" the questions aren't tough enough. "
Show me the hard hitting Obama interviews. If any questions about Barry was brought up by conservatives, progressives immediately whipped out the race card.
p allen "
O'Donnell's implication of what Cain should have done [because Cain is Black] during the Civil Rights Movement, I believe was totally out of line. Such a question should not apply simply because the candidate is Black. If at all it should apply to any or "ALL" presidential candidates who were of age during the movement, black, white or whatever!"
Who is O'Donnell to tell Herman Cain anything what he should have done in his life?! So a white liberal was trying to tell Herman Cain how to be black? I will await O'Donnell's interview with other GOP candidates in which he asks them what did they do during the Civil Rights movement.
p allen "So, for you to imply that Bashir is having a "hissy fit, phoney, on crack" because Cain is not "angry, assertive and aggressive", is disingenuous, and yet again, hypocritical. Bashir's opinion/observation of Republican voters, is the same as yours of Democrat voters."
Maybe it is. Mainstream Americans want a candidate that they feel can appeal to them. Here's the difference allen. Read this carefully. With Obama, white progressives seem him as intelligent and articulate because he is a progressive. With a person like Cain or any other black conservative, those same progressives see them as "trying to act white". I can find many stories if I check of progressives saying that Herman Cain is a traitor to blacks. If I did the same search on Obama being a traitor, I will come up with nothing.
amen!
i'm so tired of the race card i could vomit. if there is a real issue of racism lets address it and fix it, but this trumped up crap is just old.
I can't tell you how many old white conservatives in my area love Cain (and West). The media continues to perpetuate this idea that conservatives are a bunch of racists and it's just flat out not true - the liberals/progressives keep using minorities as a tool to further their agenda and it's disgusting.
CB;"I know you have a hang up for the rock, but what I said had nothing to do about it allen. You as always have to try and deflect the topic when you can't defend against the claim".
Herman Cain had a "hang up" about the rock..."INITIALLY", until the boss conservatives went on attack against him for his comments about the word Nigger being "insensitive."
Not even one good news cycle after his initial comment, all of a sudden he doesn't care about that word.
Now do you really want to talk about "white people telling blacks how to think?" It was "white" conservatives who attacked Cains comments about the insensitivity of the word nigger. Cain did not "double-down" and back up his initial assertions, as he did when he said most blacks are brainwashed. He backed away!
Cain made sure that he included this line when the press asked about the situation;
"I really don't care about that word".
Never mind Perry, because he denies all the accusations and claims the Post's story is wrong. You can take the rock out of the mix also because of Perry's denials. My point is that a Black man, who on one day told the press that the word "nigger" offends him, but the next day (after being admonished by white conservatives) suddenly doesn't care about the word!
Thus, white people INSTRUCTED Herman Cain how to think, and how to react to the word NIGGER! What a shame...
CB;"If you can present an interview of Lawrence O'Donnell disrespecting Barack Obama in an interview, I will concede my point allen".
Newsflash: O'Donnell has never interviewed Barack Obama!
CB;"With Obama, white progressives seem him as intelligent and articulate because he is a progressive. With a person like Cain or any other black conservative, those same progressives see them as "trying to act white".
That's where you're wrong Tyrone. White progressives hardly see Cain as "acting white." If anything, they see black conservatives as being "brainwashed" by conservative whites. Remember Janeane Garofalo's, "Herman Cain has Stockholm Syndrome" statement?
In my opinion, the term, "acting white" is used by ignorant blacks who don't understand what makes a black person want to be a conservative. You once said that you've been accused of "acting white" by liberal blacks. The accusation makes no sense. Can you accuse a person of acting "Asian" because he get's high scores in math? Can a person be accused of acting "Hispanic" because he likes Mexican Cuisine. Is a person acting "Arabic" because he becomes a Muslim? And what would a person do to act "Jewish?" The fact is, for the most part, the accusation is baseless and silly.
Tyrone, when another black person accuses you of "acting white" did you ever think to ask them;
"What kind of white person. A redneck from the backwoods of Alabama? A hillbilly from the hills of Appalachia? Maybe a beach bum surfer dude from the California coast? Or an eccentric billionaire from the Hamptons?"
When a black person say's you're acting white, what they're really saying is that you think you're better than other blacks. What they don't realize is that, in effect they're saying that being white is better than being black. It's a stupid accusation.
I believe the black conservatives motivation is to differentiate him or herself from what's seen as a negative main stream black culture. And don't try to pretend that you don't know what I mean by "Black Culture." The reason is that we [Blacks] have allowed other races to define us! It all boils down to what I've said all along;
WE AS BLACKS NEED OUR OWN VIABLE ECONOMIC BASE, POLITICAL STRUCTURE, EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS, SOCIAL PACT AND SPIRITUAL INSTITUTIONS.
P. allen, right on! I could not have said it better my self. Herb Cain folded like a paper doll. I hate to see him grining and smiling with whites looking like rastus and calling his self a black walnut. Eventually hes going to start buckdancing and letting rick perry rub his head.
I used to say that conservatives blacks were trying to be white. I read your statement about black people acting white and your explaination does makes sense. The how do you act jewish is kind of funny. Good post p allen.
Gerald T.-
Herman Cain is acting like Heremanh Cain, a truly American, and i respect him as such. He is a black man who lives in America, not Indonesia or Africa.
All this race talk without truth makes all the race talk out of order.
Whites have the same problems as blacks do. Persons who think blacks are superior to whites are
as sick as whites who think they are superior.
The KKK were all Democrats,who wanted to expand slavery.
Republicans stopped slavery, yet are blamed for being all racist. Some are and somel truth was ALL BLACKSwere created to be slaves to Democrats are. In 2011 why is race still a problem. Regardless of which continenat you live race will be a problem. Whem the Mongloians left Asia, China and crossed over the place called the Baring Strait, reunning away from other agressive Asians, they became, Amerirca Indians and moved all the way to South American's end. THEY HAD SLAVES AND AFTER 16 11 they had black slaves. The Apaches of Oklahoma dont want the blacks to ebe called Apaches, even thought they are descendents of the tribe, due to racist.
The word nigger is the way the Europehan whites pronounced the Spanish word Naygur. Naygur meanst black. In stores you will see the word "negro beans" which means black beans. Originally when the Arab Muslims engaged in slavery of black Africans, blacks captured each other and Arabs just fed them the lie that other blacks were created black to be slaves of Muslims, while the truth was they were as backs as the others. Guess they didnt have mirrors. Arab Muslims made fools out of them all, selling them to Europeans, and when they ran out of slaves, they then sold the Black African Muslims. Over 100,00 million blacks Africans were enslaved, castracted (boys from 9-12) and all males over 12 were killed.
Cain may not win but as a black person I hope he will run against
our current President.
Cain is pure American! Not from an island and not from Indonesia, and not from a madrassa, taught that he has a right to kill non-muslims. Black Muslims are not allowed in Afghanistan or Pakistan or the other stans.
Allen Dearborn is now off limits (smile)
Gerald T;"P. allen, right on! I could not have said it better my self. Herb Cain folded like a paper doll. I hate to see him grining and smiling with whites looking like rastus and calling his self a black walnut. Eventually hes going to start buckdancing and letting rick perry rub his head".
LOL... I wouldn't necessarily go as far as the "rubbing of the head", but Cain is starting to say some ridiculous stuff. Thanks Gerald T...
Bebe;"The KKK were all Democrats,who wanted to expand slavery. Republicans stopped slavery, yet are blamed for being all racist. Some are and somel truth was ALL BLACKSwere created to be slaves to Democrats are. In 2011 why is race still a problem".
Joining the conservative talking point society Bebe? White Conservative propagandists have blown that smoke screen over the eye's of non-thinking confused right wingers.
The evolution of political parties in this country, has transformed from the Federalist to the Whigs, to the Democratic-Republican, to Dixiecrat, to Democrat or Republican, to "No Party" or independents!!
The only point in history where "racism" became a litmus test for political party affiliation, was in 1948 with the advent of the DIXIECRATS! Even though the Democratic Party split into a segregationist faction and a non-segregationist faction, the Democrats still won the presidency that year. Moreover, the Dixie presidential nominee, Strom Thurmond, promptly joined the Republican Party.
Look at the political aspect of your "evil racist history of the Democrats" this way... The next time you go to buy a product made in Germany, Japan or Vietnam, think of all the Americans who died at the hands of the people of those countries. Remind your Sony, Toyota or Mitsubishi dealer of the "evil history" of their empire, and how Americans shouldn't buy their products.
p allen "
LOL... I wouldn't necessarily go as far as the "rubbing of the head", but Cain is starting to say some ridiculous stuff. Thanks Gerald T..."
I have 8 pages of ridiculous things Obama has said over the years, do you want to compare what Cain has said with what Barry said?
anon "Cain is pure American! Not from an island and not from Indonesia, and not from a madrassa, taught that he has a right to kill non-muslims. Black Muslims are not allowed in Afghanistan or Pakistan or the other stans."
Good point!! Progressives labeled anyone who brought up the issue of Obama's birthplace as being "RACISTS" "RACISTS" "RACISTS". The candidacy of Herman Cain has in actually vindicated the Obama paternity crowd as not being racists. I haven't heard anyone on the right say one word about the paternity of Herman Cain. The people who questioned the paternity of Obama are SUPPORTERS OF CAIN! So it proves that it was a fake charge from the very beginning by progressives, when they used the race card to try and deflect attention away from Obama's birth place of origin.
Me~Kelly "i'm so tired of the race card i could vomit. if there is a real issue of racism lets address it and fix it, but this trumped up crap is just old. I can't tell you how many old white conservatives in my area love Cain (and West). The media continues to perpetuate this idea that conservatives are a bunch of racists and it's just flat out not true - the liberals/progressives keep using minorities as a tool to further their agenda and it's disgusting.
Progressives will always use the race card, because that is the only tactic they know. They can't tell Americans what they stand for, because they know Americans don't embrace their views and policies, so they have to brand any one who doesn't agree with them as a racist to try to get them to submit to their causes. They call conservatives racists for things that have absolutely nothing to do with race. This is why Herman Cain is such a threat to them. The media has been hiding the anti Semitic activity within the occupy wallstreet crowd. If racism existed within a tea party rally, they would be all on it like Rosanne Barr to an all you can eat buffet. People are starting to get wise to the liberal race card game though.
Gerald T "I used to say that conservatives blacks were trying to be white. I read your statement about black people acting white and your explaination does makes sense. The how do you act jewish is kind of funny. Good post p allen."
This is why I have to laugh at people like you Gerald. You guys are so brain scrubbed, it's beyond sad. Follow what I say closely Gerald T.
If black conservatives were "trying to act white", how do white progressives act then? do white progressives act "black"? I've heard the retarded comments by the left that the GOP is the "white man's party". Using analytical thinking skills, if that is the case, why aren't white progressives members of the GOP? Are they not white? Are they traitors to their race? Are they trying to "be black". This again is why hardwired embedded brainwashed leftist drones aren't worth my time in debating. I still do it just for laughs though. You and allen make a very good comedic pairing.
To alpha conservative male- Im going to agree with p allen because I think hes right. I think hes spot on when he says that black conservatives like you don't like being black. Its not that you want to be white. Its that you dont like what white people view as mainstream black culture. You and Herb Cain are only accepted by white conservatives because you say what they want to hear. Herb was shown what happens when you say something the whites conservatives dont like. He was scolded for being sensitive to the nigger word. The next day after the scolding he bowed his head and shut his mouth. How many times have white conservatives told you not to be sensitive to the nigger word and you listened to them and took there advice?
Gerald T.-
As one man said, (Harry Reid), Obama won because he was light-skinned and articulate.
Herman Cain is from the American main street and still speaks well and uses words that make sense, not some Harvard bull crap.
Between Obama and Cain it will be a racist fight between the light skinned black and a dark skinned black American. Cain is the better educated, and has actually worked for a living.
Cain was not taught Marxism in college nor by his parents. Obama was not brought up in poverty.
Allen, Dearbornistan is off limits to black men. The Muslims dont want you there. Remember you are cursed, yet Muslims will not tell the truth or they dont know! Zurkas, like you and me are not allowed in Muslim only areascalled enclaves.
Tyrone Liberty Heights and GwynnOaks is becoming a Muslim enclave-no non-Muslims will be allowed.
Allen, the rock is irrelevant, we have a new white value system, and it is called Islam.
Black women are called prostitutes and Black men are called slave stock.-Ibn Khaldun-Muslim scholar.
Right on!!!!
RIGHT ON!
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