Tuesday, April 24, 2012

If I wanted America to fail

 I would support what progressives and Obama are doing. Barack Obama did say that he was going to "fundamentally transform America". Why would anyone ever want to "fundamentally" change something they claim to love? Watch this video in it's entirety and then ask yourselves this one question. Do progressives truly love this country or do they love the vision of what they want it to become?



27 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

How do you think most of the media will react to this

http://news.yahoo.com/justice-trayvon-alabama-man-critical-condition-mob-beating-053222142.html

I'm a minority (albeit raised in a very liberal environment), but a gang is a gang. And if you're going to insist on having "hate crimes," then I'm pretty sure this fits the bill.

3:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am reading "Trickle Down Tyranny" by Michael Savage. Pretty good book. If you progressives and liberals still think Obama is doing a good job, read the book. And don't tell me that Michael Savage is full of it.

I don't need Michael Savage to tell me what I've already seen what Obama has done:

*Reckless spending for personal purposes. That includes his wife going on these extravagant trips with tax payer money.

*Reckless spending to get us out of debt. That's like maxing out your credit card to help pay your back bills.

*Putting and end to NASA. Namely the shuttle program.

*Cutting down our military, especially are nuclear arms. Making us more vulnerable for rogue nations to attack us.

*Not speaking up against rogue nations and their leaders, who not only want to destroy America, but our ally Israel. Instead, he bows down to them. He even bows down to our allies. A sign of weakness in some cultures.

In my opinion, I think Obama really does want us to fail.

5:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fantastic video, a must see by everyone.



"Always stand on principle, even if you stand alone."

John Quincy Adams

5:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If I wanted America to fail, I wouldn't be living here in the first place. If America does fail under the Obama administration, which is heading in that direction, I would make sure that he gets voted out of office. If he does gets re-elected, God help us all.

What Obama also failed at, and doesn't seem to give a damn is our national security. Our borders our getting out of control, and when Arizona took a stand, Obama and his corrupt AG Eric Holder sued Arizona. Eric Holder sold our guns to Mexican drug lords and are now killing our border patrol agents and law enforcement officers.

11:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I voted for Obama, and I will admit, I'm disappointed in him. I will admit that he failed as the President of the United States.

So, I too, as a registered voter, will take part of the blame who voted for one of the most incompetent presidents of the free world.

If any one of you who voted for Obama, and think he too is doing a lousy job running this country, nothing wrong for swallowing your pride. If you voted for Obama, and still think he's doing a "wonderful" job, wake up and smell the coffee, not the cocaine; eventually it might be the next drug to become legalized following marijuana, which I think might become legalize in a short while across in some parts of the nation.

11:09 PM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

Anon;"I voted for Obama, and I will admit, I'm disappointed in him. I will admit that he failed as the President of the United States".

Really? You voted for President Obama? I have a hard time believing that...

Jon Lovitz claims he voted for President Obama also. On a recent podcast he went on a curse filled tirade complaining about the president's tax policies.

What's strange to me is that, it would seem as though Lovitz has never heard of Joe the Plumber. President Obama ran on a platform of raising taxes on the rich. There's no way that Lovitz could have missed it. I'd believe Tommy Flanagan before I'd take Lovitz's word that he didn't know 'candidate Obama's' position on taxes. "Yeah, that's the ticket..."

8:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

P. Allen-"Really? You voted for President Obama? I have a hard time believing that..."

Really, Allen? Did you vote for Obama? Do you think he's doing a "terrific" job? If so, I believe you're in denial.

I did vote for Obama, and that is the fact. Only I'm man enough to admit. Once you admit he's doing a terrible job, than you'll feel better about yourself. :)

5:55 PM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

Anon;"Reckless spending for personal purposes. That includes his wife going on these extravagant trips with tax payer money".

Anon;"Reckless spending to get us out of debt. That's like maxing out your credit card to help pay your back bills.

I'm of the opinion that the Stimulus Package staved off the economic downward spiral of of the 2008 recession. If the president had not spent, I believe we would have seen even more economic devastation. I live in Detroit. I don't think I would have been able to stay if GM and Chrysler went under.

Fact Check Org finds those assertions to be, ahh, let's just say false!

Anon;"Cutting down our military, especially are nuclear arms. Making us more vulnerable for rogue nations to attack us".

You truly need a history lesson on this subject!

"Every second term Republican President since the beginning of the nuclear age (i.e. Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, and Bush II) proposed drastic changes to the U.S. nuclear arsenal".
Nickolas Roth, March 2012.

Anon"Not speaking up against rogue nations and their leaders, who not only want to destroy America...".

Which "rouge nation that wants to destroy America" has President Obama not spoken out against?

I thought a lot of things about G.W. Bush, most of them very harsh with concern to his domestic and foreign policy's. Yet, not once did I ever think that he was "intentionally" attempting to "destroy" the country or make the country fail. In my opinion his foreign policy (Iraq War) made the country weaker, socially and economically.

10:22 PM  
Blogger Beyond The Political Spectrum said...

Just a curious question...I'd like to know just exactly HOW did Obama (supposedly) mess up the economy...I'd like one of you critics to articulate the process of how. Don't give me any vague party lines that "he's taking away our freedoms/rights" or "he's a Socialist" crap...explain the process to me how he made things so bad economically (remember, he's an elected official, not a dictator who can govern by decree). I await an articulate, direct, non-ideological answer...

12:49 PM  
Blogger Alpha Conservative Male said...

Beyond The Political Spectrum "Just a curious question...I'd like to know just exactly HOW did Obama (supposedly) mess up the economy...I'd like one of you critics to articulate the process of how. Don't give me any vague party lines that "he's taking away our freedoms/rights" or "he's a Socialist" crap...explain the process to me how he made things so bad economically (remember, he's an elected official, not a dictator who can govern by decree). I await an articulate, direct, non-ideological answer..."

This should be beyond simple to explain and may take awhile.

Let's start with inflation.

The value of the dollar has fallen sharply under Obama due to the rapid accumulation of five trillion dollars within his first three and a half years. Because the dollar is much weaker, American's purchahing power has been eroded drastically. One of the main reason why people are paying so much for energy is due to the fact that oil is priced in U.S Dollars on the futures market just as other traded commodites that have also risen sharply due to the dollar's decline, like gold, silver, platinum, copper, wheat, rice, coco, butter fat etc. Many Americans are now having to use their credit cards in an attempt to bridge the gap between what they make in wages versus what they pay for goods and services in today's valued dollar.

Energy

Obama has sent a clear message to the oil futures market that he is anti fossil fuels, and the speculators realizing the Obama isn't going to do anything to change his position in areas like near shore drilling, the Keystone XL pipeline or allowing oil and gas exploration on federally owned land, the speculators have priced this all into the price of oil along with the weak dollar. Because of these two Obama specific actions, the economy is barely moving due to people not having enough disposable income to send in the economy to get it moving. The Gross Domestic Product which measures our economy is made up mostly of the consumer. The consumer can't spend in the economy which they do not have, because it's mostly being spent on high priced energy just to survive. If you need any more examples let me know, I can also go more in dept into what I said also if you like.

1:44 PM  
Blogger Alpha Conservative Male said...

Thought I think the video did a much better job explaining it then I did. Beyond, is there anything specific in the video freemarketamerica put out that is factually inaccurate?

1:48 PM  
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2:03 PM  
Blogger Alpha Conservative Male said...

p allen "
I'm of the opinion that the Stimulus Package staved off the economic downward spiral of of the 2008 recession. If the president had not spent, I believe we would have seen even more economic devastation. I live in Detroit. I don't think I would have been able to stay if GM and Chrysler went under. "

The Stimulus Package did absolutely NOTHING to pull America out of the so called economic spiral. The recession ended in June of 2009 which was five months after Obama was elected. The stimulus was signed into law in February of 2009. So are we to believe that Barry's stimulus pulled America out of recession in just 4 MONTHS!!! lol A recession is defined as three consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth. A quarter is three months, so three quarters is nine months. As I stated, the economy was out of recession in June of 2009. The stimulus package was nothing but pork barrel spending and money given to the states so that public sector municipal workers who support Obama and Democrats wouldn't lose their jobs, due to the states and municipalities not having the tax revenue to keep them employed due to the economic downturn. Tell me how the "stimulus" helped to rebound the private sector allen. As for GM and Chrysler, the only reason why they were hyped up to give some grand illusion that they had to be saved was simply because the work force of GM and Chrysler are UNIONIZED workers who donate via union dues to the Democrat Party. If the case had to be used in which companies to bailout, bailing out Lehaman Brothers "which was allowed to fail" would have been way more important in saving x 10 then GM and Chrysler COMBINED! The so called importance of GM and Chrysler in needing to have been saved is pure BS. Walmart is the nation's biggest private sector employer, employing over one million people. If Walmart was in dire straits like GM and Chrsler and was on the verge of going under, you think Obama and Democrats would try to make the case that Walmart needed to be saved?

2:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Alpha male all that stuff started before obama took office. Obama got the stimulus package that help stop job loss. Then congress passed the health care bill. After that the racist tea party began to beat up on him. If the racist tea party in congress didn't block everything he tried to do the economy would be better. When bush was running up the debt republicans did not say a thing. Dick cheny said deficits dont matter.

Republicans dont like it when you compare there bad times with democrat bad times. Alpha malke whos fault was four dollar gas when bush was in office. Whos fault the economy went bust in the first place.

You said obama is anti fossil fuel. Then why is more domestic oil and gas and coal produced by obama than bush.
http://www.onrr.gov/ONRRWebStats/Disbursements_Royalties.aspx?report=AllReportedRoyaltyRevenues&yeartype=FY&year=2011&datetype=PY

You republicans make stuff up and lie all the time. More oil is being produced from government land under obama than under bush. What you said Alpha male is a lie. The only reason obama cant make a dent in the economy is because the republicans in congress want him to fail. The only reason they want him to fail is because hes black.

Gerald T-

4:53 PM  
Blogger Alpha Conservative Male said...

Gerald T "Alpha male all that stuff started before obama took office. Obama got the stimulus package that help stop job loss.

Tell me specifically Gerald how Obama's stimulus stopped private sector job losses. I know you have no way of you backing up your talking point dribble, but it should be fun watching go all over the map in trying to explain the impossible.

Gerald T "Then congress passed the health care bill. After that the racist tea party began to beat up on him. If the racist tea party in congress didn't block everything he tried to do the economy would be better. When bush was running up the debt republicans did not say a thing. Dick cheny said deficits dont matter."

The health care bill that will more then likely be judged unconstitutional and in which most Americans do not want. Tell me and people reading your dribble how exactly the Tea Party was able to block any of Obama's legislation Gerald. Next you will be saying that our national credit rating downgrade was due to the Tea Party. Flush your mind Gerald, then start over.

Gerald "
You republicans make stuff up and lie all the time. More oil is being produced from government land under obama than under bush. What you said Alpha male is a lie."

Me lie? Let's test your claim, since you claim that more oil is being produced from government land under Obama, then you should be able post the link backing up your statements and thus proving me wrong then right Gerald? So post the link or links to prove m wrong then.

Gerald T "The only reason obama cant make a dent in the economy is because the republicans in congress want him to fail. The only reason they want him to fail is because hes black. "

Genius, Democrats had control of congress for two years under Obama. Republicans didn't take back control of the house until January of 2011!! If Republicans had the power to stop Obama from day one, his porkilus aka stimulus bill wouldn't have become law, the auto bailouts wouldn't have passed and neither would have Obamacare. Wake up Gerald.

7:48 PM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

CB;"So are we to believe that Barry's stimulus pulled America out of recession in just 4 MONTHS!!! lol" .

Did I say the stimulus "pulled America out of recession???" Read it again Tyrone. In case it's to burdensome for you to correctly interpret what I said, I break it down for you. I said stave off the economic spiral downturn "OF" the recession. I did not say, nor imply it "ENDED" the recession! The stimulus helped to counter the lingering effects, (such as high unemployment, job training, health care, infrastructure etc...) which continued to plague the country well beyond June 2009. Simply put, the stimulus was reassurance

CB;"The so called importance of GM and Chrysler in needing to have been saved is pure BS. Walmart is the nation's biggest private sector employer, employing over one million people. If Walmart was in dire straits like GM and Chrsler and was on the verge of going under, you think Obama and Democrats would try to make the case that Walmart needed to be saved?".

And I'd bet you wonder why Gerald T calls you a "liar."

Tyrone, you're turning right-wing hacking into an art form. Walmart doesn't produce, build nor manufacture jack squat! The auto industry is the heart and core of American manufacturing. Manufacturing jobs are what build the middle-class. More than a million "middle-class" workers directly associated with GM and Chrysler would have lost employment. Let alone the negative impact that would have occurred, in the steel, rubber, glass, textile and other U.S. based industries.

I often ask conservatives why were they against the GM and Chrysler bailout. The one answer that I receive 99% of the time is; "GM and Chrysler could have gone through "traditional" bankruptcy and reorganized with the help from private lenders." What they fail to acknowledge is that, in 2008, private financing was "totally" impossible for GM and Chrysler. The fact is, THE MOST OF THE LARGEST FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS IN THE COUNTRY WERE BEING BAILED OUT THEMSELVES!

What's crazy about your argument is the fact that, while you and others of your ilk complain about "job losses" and rising unemployment, you hypocritically assert that GM and Chrysler (two of the largest manufacturing employers in the country) weren't deserving of a government "LOAN" which indisputably saved jobs!

11:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gerald T-"The only reason they want him to fail is because hes black. "

Again, playing the race card. If Obama is not elected in 2012, are you going to say it was because he's black. The reason why, if he would be elected out of office because he's doing a terrible job.

I said it before Gerald, when you, or anybody else play the race card, you are acting racist. And don't make excuses that it doesn't make you a racist because you have white friends.

8:20 AM  
Blogger Alpha Conservative Male said...

P Allen "Did I say the stimulus "pulled America out of recession???" Read it again Tyrone. In case it's to burdensome for you to correctly interpret what I said, I break it down for you. I said stave off the economic spiral downturn "OF" the recession. "

How did it "stave off" an economic spiral allen? You can corse your words however you like, it won't work allen. The economy was getting better before Obama was even sworn. I've heard that talking point used so many times by progressives, but they can't apply it to reality in explaining it. So genius, explain SPECIFICALLY how Obama's stimilus "staved off" and ecomic spiral.

p allen"I did not say, nor imply it "ENDED" the recession! The stimulus helped to counter the lingering effects, (such as high unemployment, job training, health care, infrastructure etc...) which continued to plague the country well beyond June 2009. Simply put, the stimulus was reassurance "

What the hell did health care have to do with the downturn in the economy and further what how did the stimulus impact healthcare helping to "counter the lingering effects". This is BS what you are spewing allen. I hope you are giving people reading your insanity a very good laugh. What are you going to say next, the stimulus "crated OR saved" jobs? lol lol oh sit down.

p allen "Tyrone, you're turning right-wing hacking into an art form. Walmart doesn't produce, build nor manufacture jack squat!"

Walmart produces private sector jobs roughly 10 to 15 times the amount of jobs created by GM and Chrysler combined. Furthermore, tens of thousands of manufactures in America produce things, build things etc, is Obama going to bail those companies out too when they are in fear of going under?hmmm, speak up allen.

p allen" The auto industry is the heart and core of American manufacturing. Manufacturing jobs are what build the middle-class. More than a million "middle-class" workers directly associated with GM and Chrysler would have lost employment."

Hyundai, Subarau, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi, BMW, Mercedez Benz and Kia all have automotive manufacturing operations in the the United States also, so if any of these companies ever need a bailout, Obama will look out for those companies and their workers as he did with Chrysler and GM allen? This is where you stutter for an answer. I mean these companies are all like GM and Chrysler right? They all "produce and manufacture" things unlike Walmart right?

p allen "Let alone the negative impact that would have occurred, in the steel, rubber, glass, textile and other U.S. based industries."

Don't all the other automotive companies I've mentioned have use American suppliers for their rubber, glass, textile and other materials?

11:52 PM  
Blogger Alpha Conservative Male said...

p allen "I often ask conservatives why were they against the GM and Chrysler bailout. The one answer that I receive 99% of the time is; "GM and Chrysler could have gone through "traditional" bankruptcy and reorganized with the help from private lenders." What they fail to acknowledge is that, in 2008, private financing was "totally" impossible for GM and Chrysler. The fact is, THE MOST OF THE LARGEST FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS IN THE COUNTRY WERE BEING BAILED OUT THEMSELVES!"

I thought it was you progressives who were against "CORPORATE WELFARE", well you were when Bush was president, my how things change when the R is replaced with a D and the corporate welfare cases are allies of the Democratic Party. Isn't the saving of GM and Chrysler examples of corporate welfare allen? Speak right up. Many American automotive companies have gone under over the past 80 years. It would have been sad, but life goes on, and new business are created everyday, and you can't say that a new American auto manufacturer wouldn't have come along eventually. With so many people who lost their jobs during the economic downturn, why weren't their jobs bailed out allen? You see, that's the problem when the government picks the winners and losers. It creates an unfair playing field. You're right on one thing. The largest financial instituions were being bailed out thanks to the Troubled Asset Recovery Program aka TARP that Treasury Secretary of Bush Hank Paulson. One thing I forgot to mention about that. House Republicans mostly voted against the passing of the largest corporate welfare bill when it came up for a first vote. It was Nancy Pelosi and Democrats who claimed republicans were playing politics by not passing it. It wasn't until the pressure was placed on them that they caved and voted to pass it.

12:22 AM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

CB;"I thought it was you progressives who were against "CORPORATE WELFARE".

I am! However, I'm not against it when they have to pay it back!

Hey Tyrone, you just came up with the conservative answer to end "all welfare" as we know it! Just make all welfare payments loans! We can call it, "The Tyrone Rule." Wouldn't you just "luuuuuv" to see all those single moms and their bastard children, indigents and cripples, pay back the tax payers?

Anon;"Really, Allen? Did you vote for Obama? Do you think he's doing a "terrific" job? If so, I believe you're in denial".

Yes I did vote for President Obama. And to answer your question about the type of job he's doing, I will say that I'd like him to do a lot more. However I understand he has to "play with the hand he was dealt." And that's wasn't a very good one.

As far as his "performance" as president, I'd say he's done very well. But as I said a moment ago, I'd like to see him be a lot more forceful when dealing with his political opposition.

Anon;"I did vote for Obama, and that is the fact. Only I'm man enough to admit. Once you admit he's doing a terrible job, than you'll feel better about yourself".

I would feel better about myself?? Who are you trying to fool? You're the one that's admitting (although I still believe it's just a claim...aka, "a lie") that you voted for a candidate without knowing his platform issues. Are you for "Universal Health Care for All?" Candidate Senator Obama openly campaigned on the issue. Are you for higher taxes on the rich? Presidential candidate Senator Obama openly campaigned on the issue. Were against the military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy? Presidential candidate Senator Obama openly campaigned on ending it. Were you for the War in Iraq? Presidential candidate Senator Obama openly campaigned on ending it. Are you for a path to legal citizenship for illegal immigrants already living in the U.S.? Presidential candidate Senator Obama openly campaigned on it. Are you against America "torturing" prisoners of the war on terror? Presidential candidate Senator Obama openly campaigned on ending it. Were you for TARP and the auto bailouts? Presidential candidate, Senator Obama, voted for TARP so it was quite apparent as president he would approve of the auto bailouts. Are you for privatizing Social Security and Medicare? Presidential candidate Senator Obama openly campaigned against privatizing and remains steadfast in opposing any republican efforts.

Conversely, were you for closing the Guantanamo Bay prison camp? Presidential candidate Senator Obama openly campaigned on closing it, but it appears he won't be doing it. If that's what upsetting you, perhaps you need to start a letter writing campaign...

Are you an "informed voter" Anon? If you are, then you should have paid attention to President Bama's platform issues. With all those facts on his campaign issues being proclaimed on television, radio, billboards, in newspapers, on the internet and from every media outlet imaginable, how can you claim he "failed you" when he done, and continues to promote almost all of what he campaigned on?

7:44 AM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

CB;"How did it "stave off" an economic spiral allen? You can corse your words however you like, it won't work allen. The economy was getting better before Obama was even sworn".

The economy was getting "better" when????? It's not even funny any more how conservatives have taught you how to "pretend" you never said, what you said, and how to frame your argument to suit the current agenda. How soon you forget that I've been posting here for several years, and I have a pretty good memory. (not to mention that your essays and words are archived)

Here's what you said then;

January, 2009
"Obama will have a hard time defending a collapsed economy in 2012. The same way FDR prolonged the great depression is the same way Obama's FDR version 2.0 "stimulus" is going to flat line the economy".

Sure didn't sound like you thought the economy was "getting better" then!
and here;
January, 2009
"Obama made it clear that he thought that government was the end all to cure all solution to fixing the economic mess that us and the world finds itself in".

and here;
May 2009
"Social Security and Medicare was still going broke. The programs just weren't going broke at the rate they are now. If the economy continues to get worse, the two programs insolvency date will continue to be pushed up that much sooner. Since Obama really doesn't care about reviving the private sector, it looks like the unthinkable to some my just happen after all".

and here;
May, 2009
"Growth is the only way any country can emerge from a recession, but it looks like ours have been placed on quick sand. The more we try to move in regards to economic recovery, the more we are going to sink because of it. We have Mr. Hope&Change to thank for that".

You certainly didn't think the economy was "getting better" here;
May, 2009
"Notice that oil prices are going back up, yet the demand has stayed low due to the worldwide recession. Oil prices act inversely to the fluctuation in the dollar. This is the bottom line as best as I can put it. The recovery of the economy is the least of the problems Americans have to worry about.

or HERE!;
March, 2009
"The economy really slowed down last summer when gas prices hovered over four dollars a gallon. The high gas prices acted as a huge tax. When people were spending so much on gas, it left very little to spend in the economy. That played a role in causing the slowdown. With the dollar weakening, the price of oil and gasoline are going back up. The rise of gas prices in the face of an economic retraction is not a good combination. Do Obama and Geithner deserve and "F" grade? What do you think?".

Now, you go back in your own archives and show me where you wrote the economy was "getting better" in late 2008, early 2009...

4:02 PM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

CB;"So genius, explain SPECIFICALLY how Obama's stimilus "staved off" and ecomic spiral. - What are you going to say next, the stimulus "crated OR saved" jobs?.

I don't have to say the Stimulus created or saved jobs. The "non-partisan" Congressional Budget Office Report of September 2011 said it;

– They raised real (inflation-adjusted) gross domestic product (GDP) by between 0.3 percent and 1.9 percent (see Table 1),
– They lowered the unemployment rate by between 0.2 percentage points and 1.3 percentage points,
– They increased the number of people employed by between 0.4 million and 2.4 million, and
– They increased the number of full-time-equivalent jobs by 0.5 million to 3.3 million. (Increases in FTE jobs include shifts from part-time to full-time work or overtime and are thus generally larger than increases in the number of employed workers.)
– The CBO estimates that the impact of the stimulus will continue to be felt over the next year, increasing GDP by up to 0.8 percent next year and creating up to 1.1 million jobs over what it would have been.
– The longterm economic impacts of increased borrowing to fund the stimulus will be minimal or nonexistent. “In contrast to its positive near-term macroeconomic effects, ARRA will reduce output slightly in the long run, CBO estimates—by between zero and 0.2 percent after 2016,” its economists predict
.

In short, the CBO says that the Stimulus Package "WORKED"! But of course you and your detractors will claim otherwise.

CB;"What the hell did health care have to do with the downturn in the economy and further what how did the stimulus impact healthcare helping to "counter the lingering effects".

Oh, my bad. I forgot you are "comprehensibly challenged." You see Tyrone, when people loss their jobs, it's highly likely the lose their health care benefits. Under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (a.k.a. the Stimulus Package> a $155.1 billion provision was for Health Care. Of that, $25.1 billion went to provide a 65 percent subsidy of health care insurance premiums for the unemployed under the COBRA program. And for those reading this that were as "clueless" as you were, now they can say they learned something.

CB;"Walmart produces private sector jobs roughly 10 to 15 times the amount of jobs created by GM and Chrysler combined".

The average Walmart associate earns about $11.50 (no paid benefits) an hour. The average auto worker earns $23.00 (+ benefits) an hour. Need I say more?

6:34 PM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

CB;"Hyundai, Subarau, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi, BMW, Mercedez Benz and Kia all have automotive manufacturing operations in the the United States also, so if any of these companies ever need a bailout, Obama will look out for those companies and their workers as he did with Chrysler and GM allen?".

Straw man Tyrone... I believe I've told you this once before. All the foreign companies you've mentioned have received billions in local taxpayer dollars over the past two decades to attract their auto plants.

"Those incentives, arriving in the form of tax breaks, training for new employees and even land, have enticed BMW to South Carolina, Mercedes to Alabama and Nissan to Tennessee".

Furthermore in addition to those states incentives, some, if not all, of these foreign auto makers have received some form of assistance from their own governments. Conservatives claim they "luuuuuuv" America. Yet when it comes to the American worker they cry foul. When it come's to your own government assisting American business, you cry foul.

In the article I linked to the writer tells how "American" GOP senator, Richard Shelby (Ala.), staunchly opposed the Detroit auto bailout. However, Shelby- "secured construction of a Mercedes-Benz plant in 1993 by offering $253 million in state and local tax breaks, worker training and land improvement. For Honda, the state’s sweetener surrounding a 1999 deal to build a mini-van plant was $158 million in similar perks, adding $90 million in enticements when the company expanded the plant three years later. A 2001 deal with Toyota left the company with $29 million in taxpayer gifts."

In effect, the governors and the Washington legislators that backed the efforts in securing "tax breaks and giveaways" for foreign companies are hypocrites for wanting to deny American companies basically, the same benefits.

8:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What ever happened to Americans. You got fat and lazy, became a society of consumers who believe you can make a living and wealth sitting on your fat arses making/contributing nothing to the world but your vapid television. you're the laughing stock of the rest of the world now, where once, you were admired for your hard work and ingenuity. We (the rest of the world) now see you as little more than a dangerous joke of a land, filled with ignorant people.

12:00 PM  
Blogger Alpha Conservative Male said...

p allen ""Those incentives, arriving in the form of tax breaks, training for new employees and even land, have enticed BMW to South Carolina, Mercedes to Alabama and Nissan to Tennessee"."

It's not a strawman argument, because states usual give tax incentives to companies to relocate to their states, and they also give deals to companies in their states to remain there. So come up with something else. Sears and the Chicago Board of Trade are looking for a deals from Illinois and the city of Chicago to warrant them staying there. I see you keep moving the goal post back and back. The issue is that these are companies that manufacture and produce a product and employee tens of thousands of workers, would you be in favor of them being bailed out if they needed to be?

p allen "In the article I linked to the writer tells how "American" GOP senator, Richard Shelby (Ala.), staunchly opposed the Detroit auto bailout. However, Shelby- "secured construction of a Mercedes-Benz plant in 1993 by offering $253 million in state and local tax breaks, worker training and land improvement. For Honda, the state’s sweetener surrounding a 1999 deal to build a mini-van plant was $158 million in similar perks, adding $90 million in enticements when the company expanded the plant three years later. A 2001 deal with Toyota left the company with $29 million in taxpayer gifts.""

Good for Richard Shelby and the folks in Alabama. That Mercedez plant has put to work thousands of people who need a good paying job, and that plant will be there for decades to come and has created a boom for the local economy. The same can't be said for GM and Chrysler. Even with those companies still there, the surrounding areas have continued to decay and suffer population lose. Clearly the auto industry in Motown isn't a key to economic growth as it is in the south.

12:32 PM  
Blogger Alpha Conservative Male said...

Also allen, the economists were saying that the economy based on the growth of GDP was getting better. Also, don't try to change the topic and make it about what I said. This is about the Stimulus and your claim that it pulled the economy out of a spiral which you still have not proven it did.

12:35 PM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

CB;"This is about the Stimulus and your claim that it pulled the economy out of a spiral which you still have not proven it did".

Boy oh boy... If I wanted to say that the recession was "pulled out", "saved by", "ended because of", or, "brought to a miraculous discontinuance" by the Stimulus, I WOULD HAVE SAID IT! I even gave a link to the definition of the term "stave off";

stave off-
1: to fend off
2: to ward off (as something adverse) : forestall

As shown in definition "1.", if you default on a loan, creditors will come after you. To "stave off" the creditors does not mean you've "ended" or "pulled yourself out" of the loan debt. IT'S STILL THERE! To "stave them off" simply implies, using and approach or strategy to avoid the worst outcome.

I knew exactly what I was saying when I wrote it. The problem here is, until now, "YOU" didn't know what "stave off" meant. Being that I've "PROVEN" to you what "stave off" means, it's senseless for you to even think that I meant anything else.

7:46 PM  

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