George Wallace was a Republcian? I learn something everyday from the Lean Progressive channel of MSNBC
George Wallace was the 45th Governor of Alabama and was known for his staunch segregationist views during the Jim Crow era. Why am I writing about George Wallace?Well for starters, yesterday marked the 50th anniversary of then Governor George Wallace standing in the hallway of Foster Auditorium at the University of Alabama in an attempt to prevent two black students (Vivian Jones & James Hood).from attending class as students.
George Wallace was then and still to this day is a poster child representing Democratic segregation.. Notice that I said that George Wallace was a Democrat. This is nothing new to people who are educated and not indoctrinated. Some people like Chris Hayes over at MSNBC was one of the poor souls to have gotten an indoctrinate instead of an education, when he attended high school. Yesterday as Chris was speaking on the historic milestone, the Lean Progressive channel MSNBC stated that George Wallace of Alabama was a "Republican".
How could MSNBC actually display that George Wallace was a Republican? The answer is obvious.Lying, distortion and splice editing is what the progressives of MSNBC do best, when it comes to trying to tar and feather Republicans as being racists. . I have very little respect for journalism in America, sadly this is just another illustration to why that is. I know the Democratic Party tries to white wash their party's history by claiming the racist Democrats all became Republican and that the great pumpkin delivers toys on Halloween, but this is over the top. The low information voters as Rush Limbaugh describes them will no doubt believe what MSNBC showed. The educated high information voters brought the "mistake" to Chris's attention, so Chris has recently issued an "apology" via his twitter account claiming that "This was a stupid, inexcusable, historically illiterate mistake.I should have caught it and apologize for failing to,” I give Chris credit for admitting that he was "historically illiterate", and he did man up. I just wonder if he would have done so if it wasn't brought to his attention?
George Wallace was then and still to this day is a poster child representing Democratic segregation.. Notice that I said that George Wallace was a Democrat. This is nothing new to people who are educated and not indoctrinated. Some people like Chris Hayes over at MSNBC was one of the poor souls to have gotten an indoctrinate instead of an education, when he attended high school. Yesterday as Chris was speaking on the historic milestone, the Lean Progressive channel MSNBC stated that George Wallace of Alabama was a "Republican".
How could MSNBC actually display that George Wallace was a Republican? The answer is obvious.Lying, distortion and splice editing is what the progressives of MSNBC do best, when it comes to trying to tar and feather Republicans as being racists. . I have very little respect for journalism in America, sadly this is just another illustration to why that is. I know the Democratic Party tries to white wash their party's history by claiming the racist Democrats all became Republican and that the great pumpkin delivers toys on Halloween, but this is over the top. The low information voters as Rush Limbaugh describes them will no doubt believe what MSNBC showed. The educated high information voters brought the "mistake" to Chris's attention, so Chris has recently issued an "apology" via his twitter account claiming that "This was a stupid, inexcusable, historically illiterate mistake.I should have caught it and apologize for failing to,” I give Chris credit for admitting that he was "historically illiterate", and he did man up. I just wonder if he would have done so if it wasn't brought to his attention?
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 1:51 AM
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I'd be willing to bet that if you were to ask anyone who watches MSNBC or Chris Hayes' show, they would know that George Wallace was a Democrat. But I digress...
I guess you totally forgot that Wallace was ordered by a "DEMOCRAT" president to integrate the public schools. You act as if internal rift's can't occur within a political party.
Case in point, the Tea Party and the main stream Republicans are often at odds. The GOP governors rifts over Medicaid? What about the GOP rift over immigration?
Moreover, you yourself Tyrone often claim that you're a "conservative" rather than a "republican." Ironically, on this day too you get to learn something from a so-called "progressive." George Wallace was a "CONSERVATIVE!" Thus, you and Wallace had a lot in common.
Wallace was clearly at odds with the president (a.k.a., the leader of the party) and national Democratic party. Wallace put his "conservative values" over the political idea's and direction that the national Democratic party was promoting. He too denounced the actions of the national party in favor of his conservative principles. He too believed in "States Rights" over the federal governments meddling in his states affairs. He too professed to be a born again Christian, was a WWII veteran, very much the 'pro' family man, and a staunch advocate for low taxes. Hell, honestly he should be one of your hero's!!!
Chris Hayes did apologize for the labeling mistake. Although I'm apt to believe that someone on his staff "probably" got a bit rambunctious.
p allen "'d be willing to bet that if you were to ask anyone who watches MSNBC or Chris Hayes' show, they would know that George Wallace was a Democrat. But I digress..."
Considering the fact that most young people don't even know anything about American history, you assume that they would know that Wallace was a Democrat though? You might want to regress allen on that one.
p allen " guess you totally forgot that Wallace was ordered by a "DEMOCRAT" president to integrate the public schools. You act as if internal rift's can't occur within a political party. "
p allen "Moreover, you yourself Tyrone often claim that you're a "conservative" rather than a "republican." Ironically, on this day too you get to learn something from a so-called "progressive." George Wallace was a "CONSERVATIVE!" Thus, you and Wallace had a lot in common. "
George Wallace was a segregationist first and foremost allen. Conservatism has nothing to do with segregation. Using your reasoning, one could tar Socialism as being anti Semitic and racist because Hitler and the Nazis were socialists.Since socialists are left wingers, do you have anything in common with the The National Socialist Movement Party allen?
Allen, give me a little credit, geez.
p allen "
Case in point, the Tea Party and the main stream Republicans are often at odds. The GOP governors rifts over Medicaid? What about the GOP rift over immigration"
Of course, that is a main reason why I promote conservatism over promoting the GOP, because that is really what it has come down to, the establishment GOP vs conservatives and the Tea Party.
CB;"George Wallace was a segregationist first and foremost allen. Conservatism has nothing to do with segregation".
Quite the contrary Tyrone. It was his "CONSERVATIVE" (a : tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions : traditional) ideals that supported his segregationist ways. At the time, conservatism and segregation went hand-in-hand.
CB;"Using your reasoning, one could tar Socialism as being anti Semitic and racist because Hitler and the Nazis were socialists".
Ha-ha! Is that supposed to be some kind of conservative/right-wing styled Jedi Mind Trick? So what if Hilter was a socialist? It doesn't change the meaning of socialism! Although right-wingers (like yourself) often attempt to re-write history, and change the meaning of terms.
However, sure you can easily "propagandize" the idea that socialists are anti Semitic. Hell, the Tea Baggers believe that president Obama is a socialist, even though President Obama has climbed into bed with Wall Street CEOs, giving them what they want. Even though the president has supported bailing out banks, and uses constant efforts to relinquish government control of companies assisted by the government. Yet, he's a socialist???? Perhaps you should tell you Tea Bagger buddies that The National Socialist Movement Party supported Barack Obama for president! Will the black conservatives will believe it....?
Let's assume, and for the sake of argument that George Wallace was a Republican as the staff at MSNBC claimed. They're going to hold that against this "Republican" because he was a segregationist.
OK...Another Republican: Strom Thurmond, who too was a segregationist. What they fail (or prefer) not to tell you was that he started out as a Democrat (he switched to the Republican in 1964) and in 1947 he belonged to the States' Rights Democratic Party, better known as the Dixiecrats. What about former Louisiana Governor David Duke. Yes, he's now a Republican, but he was a Democrat. Oh, they can support their evidence with Republican Senator Trent Lott that he is a racist, and belongs to the racist Republican party because he commented that he was proud that when Strom Thurmond ran for president as a Dixiecrat and supported him.
So, what is confusing to me is how they can condemn these "Republicans" because of their racist past, but give Democratic Senator Robert Byrd, a former Klansman a free pass? They were willing to forgive George Wallace once he reformed after he survived his assassination attempt. If David Duke, were to reform and put his racist past behind him, are they still going to hold that against him?
-Big Pop
p allen "Quite the contrary Tyrone. It was his "CONSERVATIVE" (a : tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions : traditional) ideals that supported his segregationist ways. At the time, conservatism and segregation went hand-in-hand."
Funny allen. Again using your flawed logic that would mean that every conservative in 2013 wants America to go back to the Jim Crow Era in order to reestablish "traditional ideals. Do you believe that? Before you answer, and possibly make a fool out of yourself in doing so, just remember that most conservatives a live today were born well after the jim crow era had ended. In others lets take a person who was born in 1980, this person in now 33 years old and considers himself a conservative, so wit that said does that mean he is a segregationist because he is a conservative?
Big Pop "So, what is confusing to me is how they can condemn these "Republicans" because of their racist past, but give Democratic Senator Robert Byrd, a former Klansman a free pass? They were willing to forgive George Wallace once he reformed after he survived his assassination attempt. If David Duke, were to reform and put his racist past behind him, are they still going to hold that against him?"
Big Pop, it's because liberals are HYPOCRITES TO INFINITY!! They are beyond fraudulent and phony in nearly every freaking thing they say. You are right, they made every excuse for Sheets Byrd claiming "he changed". Oh but that was ok, because ol Sheets was a life long Democrat. Remember when Democrats turned on Senator Zell Miller, when he came out in support of Bush during the 2004 campaign. Once a beloved Democratic, they turned on him harsh and referred to him as "KKK Zell". Zell was a conservative Democrats, one of the last few in the party. There was nothing racist or bigoted about Zell Miller. That didn't stop his one fake supporters from labeling him a racist for crossing party lines to back Bush.
CB;"Again using your flawed logic that would mean that every conservative in 2013 wants America to go back to the Jim Crow Era in order to reestablish "traditional ideals".
I never said, nor implied that. Yet again your assumptions are misguided. Clearly, I wrote the following;
"AT THE TIME conservatism and segregation went hand-in-hand."
Since then the conservative ideology has evolved as not to include racism as part of it's overall agenda.
Yet many right-wingers attempt to stigmatize the present day Democrat party with the Democrat party of the past. The point I'm making is that both conservatism, and the ideology of the Democrat party have both changed and evolved.
In no way am I attempting to equate present day conservatism with the racist conservative Democrats of the past. What I am doing is pointing out that during the argument (or discussion) about the history of racism, the truth often gets mangled. Chris Hayes' so-called "mistake" proves that white liberals are just as bad as white conservatives when it comes to who gets to write the history of racism in America.
I've said it many times before Tyrone. Whites are able to write and rewrite our (black folk) history in America because we don't do it ourselves. We don't educate ourselves. We don't control any part of the economy. Our families are broken. Our communities are crime ridden.
Hell, the first black president was re-elected with a great deal of help from us. Yet somehow every other "minority" interest and special interest group (white women, gays, Latino's, environmentalists, etc...) concerns are being addressed. However, I think that even President Obama knows that black Americans are so messed-up socially, politically, economically, spiritually and in education, that government can't do something that we ourselves are not willing to do on our own....
CB-" Remember when Democrats turned on Senator Zell Miller, when he came out in support of Bush during the 2004 campaign. Once a beloved Democratic, they turned on him harsh and referred to him as "KKK Zell."
I'm not sure where I've been, but I guess I've never heard of Sen. Zell Miller. It took the time to read his background and what he endured once he supported George W. Bush.
I have just found out of another person I've never heard of: Louisiana State Sen. Elbert Guillory, a black politician who just left the Democratic party and became Republican. Here is a link to show his reason: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8oOysfAAsmQ#!
Like Sen. Zell Miller, I would presume that he would have a field day with a bunch of his critics.
-Big Pop
CB:"Remember when Democrats turned on Senator Zell Miller, when he came out in support of Bush during the 2004 campaign. Once a beloved Democratic, they turned on him harsh and referred to him as ".
Remember when REPUBLICANS turned on former SECRETARY OF STATE, GENERAL COLIN POWELL, when he came out in support of OBAMA during the 2008 campaign? Once a beloved REPUBLICAN, they turned on him harsh and referred to him as a RACE BAITING TRAITOR. (touche')
Big Pop;"I have just found out of another person I've never heard of: Louisiana State Sen. Elbert Guillory, a black politician who just left the Democratic party and became Republican".
And Guilllory came out with the usual canned rhetorical "sudden epiphany" speech on how the Democrats and the "gubment" has destroyed black families and communities. Yet his solution is, demonize one government political party and join (vote for) the other. yeah sure right... as if one is better than the other! Blacks switching from Democrats to Republicans, is like a Shiite switching to Sunni. You're still in the same league, just a different team....
Does he really believe that "voting" for Republicans will somehow cure all the problems in the Black community? Just vote Republican and all the blighted ghetto's, crime, poor education and fatherless homes will magically disappear!!
What Mr. Guillory can't explain is why are so many white liberal Democrats remain in the Democrat party, are spiritually and socially well adjusted, economically successful and prosperous, and still voted for President Obama. But somehow it's the "liberal Democrats" and their policies that screwed up black people??? Gim-me a break..........
p allen "Remember when REPUBLICANS turned on former SECRETARY OF STATE, GENERAL COLIN POWELL, when he came out in support of OBAMA during the 2008 campaign? Once a beloved REPUBLICAN, they turned on him harsh and referred to him as a RACE BAITING TRAITOR. (touche')"
Race Baiting traitor? Wow, that is the first time I've ever heard that reference allen. So who made that comment allen? I myself had some words about Powell, but my disdain for him went back years before the 2008 election. Even though I despised John MCain, I did feel that Powell was wrong for supporting Obama, because MCCain was responsible for helping Michael Poweell getting the Chairman job at the FCC.
P Allen "Does he really believe that "voting" for Republicans will somehow cure all the problems in the Black community? Just vote Republican and all the blighted ghetto's, crime, poor education and fatherless homes will magically disappear!!"
My question is why do blacks overwhelmingly support the Democratic Party with nothing to show for but poverty? Odd how Democratic politicians will make up some BS about Republicans wanting to bring back Jim Crow and spew it all day long to blacks but will remain silent when it comes to addressing the REAL PROBLEMS in the black urban communities.
P.Allen-"Remember when REPUBLICANS turned on former SECRETARY OF STATE, GENERAL COLIN POWELL, when he came out in support of OBAMA during the 2008 campaign? Once a beloved REPUBLICAN, they turned on him harsh and referred to him as a RACE BAITING TRAITOR. (touche')"
I don't recall any Republicans labeling Colin Powell as a RACE BAITING TRAITOR as you put it for endorsing Obama. Please post me a link if you can; post me a link that shows more than one Republican that called Powell that.
The only criticism toward Powell were black Democrats and black progressives like Harry Belafonte who refer to Powell as a "House Negro".
P Allen-"Does he really believe that "voting" for Republicans will somehow cure all the problems in the Black community? Just vote Republican and all the blighted ghetto's, crime, poor education and fatherless homes will magically disappear!!"
Can you name one black Democrat who has made a difference in the black community?
Most blacks whom I came across voted Democrat and with the exception of black Republican voted for them because they are black. Since they voted because they were black, I ask the same question, "what have they done for you?" without any response, instead they play the race card on me.
-Big Pop
I know JFK voted against Civil Rights in the 1950s, I assume LBJ did as well.
Big Pop;"I don't recall any Republicans labeling Colin Powell as a RACE BAITING TRAITOR as you put it for endorsing Obama. Please post me a link if you can; post me a link that shows more than one Republican that called Powell that. ".
I believe I came up with that comment because I often read "right-wing" blogs such as the popular forum at Free Republic. However, if you wish to claim that the guys over at Free Republic don't vote "Republican", then you can go do your own homework...
Big Pop;"Can you name one black Democrat who has made a difference in the black community? ".
What type of question is that? If by "Democrat", you're referring to an elected official, or a politician, what differences are they supposed to make? Even though they claim to "represent the people", most, if not all politicians (black or white) are out for themselves.
But if you're talking about a black person who "votes Democrat" I can name you blacks who've made and continue to make "a difference", from Oprah Winfrey, to Louis Farrakhan. Also consider the many Black Universities (Morehouse, Howard, Fisk etc...) where Democrat voters rule the campuses. Perhaps many of these professors, scientist's, economists and students don't rank as making "a difference" to you, but they do in my book. Your political point of view could very well make you disagree with my assessment, but that would only be YOUR opinion.
Moreover, such a question is at best ambiguous, and in my opinion, quite disingenuous. Ambiguous because you don't indicate what "differences" should be, or need to be made. Disingenuous because, more than once you've expressed your indifference to -Democrat politicians in government- promoting racial preferences (eg. social treatment and/or decisions based on race).
Your question is disingenuous because, if a "Democrat government politician" made a "difference" in the black community by setting aside a mere 10% or 15% of contracts for the "black community", you would claim it's wrong to have "set asides." Your sentiments would be the same if it were set aside for jobs or education. So, what differences are you talking about?
George Wallace represented today's GOP view. It's okay.
p allen commenting to Big Pop "I believe I came up with that comment because I often read "right-wing" blogs such as the popular forum at Free Republic. However, if you wish to claim that the guys over at Free Republic don't vote "Republican", then you can go do your own homework..."
I'm on Free Republic allen. Of course there are people who vote Republican on that site, but not all of them are Republicans. Many of them are Independents and Libertarian Party voters. Do you think everybody who is a conservative is a Republican?lol
Westley Williams said...
"George Wallace represented today's GOP view. It's okay."
Really Westley, and your evidence is what again? The GOP is nothing more then the big sided coin of the Democratic Party. I should know, because I was one. I know the GOP better then you ever could speaking from experience not what you personally believe the party is based on what liberals have told you, just saying.
P. Allen-"But if you're talking about a black person who "votes Democrat" I can name you blacks who've made and continue to make "a difference", from Oprah Winfrey, to Louis Farrakhan. Also consider the many Black Universities (Morehouse, Howard, Fisk etc...) where Democrat voters rule the campuses."
When did Louis Farrakhan make a difference? The man is a separatist, racist and an anti-Semite. He seems to be hurting race relations and the black community more with his false propaganda.
-Big Pop
I take issue at mentioning Black universities like Morehouse, Grambling, If towns remain divided—if Blacks have their schools and buildings and Whites have theirs, if we can’t see ourselves in one another and fear or resentment are allowed to harden—that too encourages division and discourages cooperation.
ig Pop:"When did Louis Farrakhan make a difference? The man is a separatist, racist and an anti-Semite. He seems to be hurting race relations and the black community more with his false propaganda".
Take note, I mentioned Oprah Winfrey and Louis Farrakhan in the same sentence for a reason! That reason being that Oprah and Farrakhan are viewed as being at polar opposite ends of the so-called "liberal" spectrum. However, your question was "what Democrat has made a difference in the black community (what kind of difference you have yet to define ).
Big Pop (I think..);"I take issue at mentioning Black universities like Morehouse, Grambling,".
Of course you do. Morehouse, Grambling, Howard, Fisk, ect..., have a history of not allowing whites to attend. Oh yeah... Grambling refuses to take any white persons money. And a white person couldn't get into Morehouse if he wanted to pay a million dollars. And the REPUBLICAN Alabama Governor George Wallace was really standing in that doorway to welcome thousands of blacks to the university.
Oh yeah,, I remember all those blacks that attended and graduated from Bob Jones University in the 1970's! Good ole' President Ronald Reagan (who really LUUUUUUUVV'ed him so black people) forced the treasury department to give BJ University tax exempt status because they were so good to blacks.
BP;"if we can’t see ourselves in one another and fear or resentment are allowed to harden—that too encourages division and discourages cooperation".
That is soooooooooo true... Don't you just hate it when white people move into a neighborhood, or a school, all the blacks start to move away? And there are far to many all black schools and neighborhoods!! There's about 2600 colleges and universities in the U.S. There's about 100 that are historic black universities. Hell, that's about 3%!!! Far far far to many!!
I totally agree Big Pop. All these separate schools, neighborhoods and other separate institutions have got to go!!! To be fair, since the black institutions tend not to be as financially stable as some of the others, we'll dismantle them first. Hell, they could shut down in a matter of months.
But very soon thereafter, the Jewish institutions will have to go. Then the Asian and all other ethnicity's! But wait.....!!! Then we can start on everything else that divides us. Next on the list should be, ALL RELIGIONS!! We don't need to outlaw any religion, just discourage the practice, like they do smoking, having sex without protection, eating to much unhealthy food... Ooo..Ooo... or, discourage religion like conservatives discourage homosexuality!!! Use the idea that two males, or two females can't reproduce. Thus, you can now encourage white to procreate with Hispanic, Asian, Native American, Arab, and yes Blacks!! "Where The White Women At?" (Google it if you don't know what it means)
How nice it will be if we all go to the same schools, live among each other peacefully, worship only our communities and ourselves and have no fears of no one. What a beautiful world it would be.
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