No good deed goes unpunished for Obama supporters on Obamacare.
When Obamacare was deemed passed back in 2009, I was not happy, but as the old saying goes, to the victor goes the spoils. Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate along with the the White House. The GOP was helpless to stop anything, even if they really wanted to. The main piece of behind closed doors legislation was Obamacare. I've been reading about and hearing the absolute horror stories of the damming impact this now law is having on individuals and businesses. To those who knew how bad to was going to be, I truly feel bad for families having to deal with the train wreck. For as foul as Obamacare is, I have to say I am in some ways smiling over it. Obamacare was Obama's signature legacy legislation. This is his baby, and this baby is crapping over all the place, and many people are holding their nose. Obamacare will mark his legacy as a collasoal failure, that's not even counting the slowest recovery in history coming out of a recession, sky high gas prices, the projected ten trillion in debt on his watch by the time he leaves off etc. Obamacare is just the icing on the cake. I'm also glad to see the people who voted for Obama and supported Obamacare finally getting what was coming to them. Obama supporters can't believe what has happened to their healthcare coverage over the pat few weeks. Either their premiums and deductables have skyrocketed beyond affordability or their plan has been dropped all together. Why do you think Obama's most political connected friends received waiver for Obamacare in the first place? If this pile of stinking garbage was so good, they wouldn't need a waiver or exemption. Anyways, I took great delight in reading a letter from one the diarists Tirge Caps of the ultra left website the "The Daily Kos". Apparently he received a letter from his health insurance company Kaiser about some (changes) to his family plan due to Obama care. He didn't seem very pleased about the changes. Wasn't Obama's slogan "Hope & Change"?
Tirge Caps
"My wife and I just got our updates from Kaiser telling us what our 2014 rates will be. Her monthly has been $168 this year, mine $150. We have a high deductible. We are generally healthy people who don't go to the doctor often. I barely ever go. The insurance is in case of a major catastrophe.
Well, now, because of Obamacare, my wife's rate is gong to $302 per month and mine is jumping to $284.
I am canceling insurance for us and I am not paying any fucking penalty. What the hell kind of reform is this?
Oh, ok, if we qualify, we can get some government assistance. Great. So now I have to jump through another hoop to just chisel some of this off. And we don't qualify, anyway, so what's the point?
I never felt too good about how this was passed and what it entailed, but I figured if it saved Americans money, I could go along with it.
I don't know what to think now. This appears, in my experience, to not be a reform for the people.
What am I missing?
I realize I will probably get screamed at for posting this, but I can't imagine I am the only Californian who just received a rate increase from Kaiser based on these new laws.
UPDATE: Updated the title per some requests. I appreciate all the helpful comments. I am now on baby duty but will go through these later for more information. I can't keep up with all the comments right now.
I really do appreciate the helpful comments. Peace all. Peace out."
I don't know why his fellow libs would attack him, because more then likely they are experiencing the same joys of Obamacare as he is. Then again, some people just have a hard time admitting they made a mistake. It's funny. Progressives had this grand illusion that their benevolent Democratic representatives created a health care bill that was going to be far and away better then the way the system was before. It just had to be good for consumers, because the GOP was shut out of the drafting process of Obamacare. Tirge isn't alone, may Obaaphiles are getting notices from their insurance companies and are saying, WHAT THE HELL! It's change you can believe in but just can't afford it. It's so funny that Obamacare is called the "Affordable" Care Act, when it's anything but.
I am canceling insurance for us and I am not paying any fucking penalty. What the hell kind of reform is this?
Oh, ok, if we qualify, we can get some government assistance. Great. So now I have to jump through another hoop to just chisel some of this off. And we don't qualify, anyway, so what's the point?
I never felt too good about how this was passed and what it entailed, but I figured if it saved Americans money, I could go along with it.
I don't know what to think now. This appears, in my experience, to not be a reform for the people.
What am I missing?
I realize I will probably get screamed at for posting this, but I can't imagine I am the only Californian who just received a rate increase from Kaiser based on these new laws.
UPDATE: Updated the title per some requests. I appreciate all the helpful comments. I am now on baby duty but will go through these later for more information. I can't keep up with all the comments right now.
I really do appreciate the helpful comments. Peace all. Peace out."
I don't know why his fellow libs would attack him, because more then likely they are experiencing the same joys of Obamacare as he is. Then again, some people just have a hard time admitting they made a mistake. It's funny. Progressives had this grand illusion that their benevolent Democratic representatives created a health care bill that was going to be far and away better then the way the system was before. It just had to be good for consumers, because the GOP was shut out of the drafting process of Obamacare. Tirge isn't alone, may Obaaphiles are getting notices from their insurance companies and are saying, WHAT THE HELL! It's change you can believe in but just can't afford it. It's so funny that Obamacare is called the "Affordable" Care Act, when it's anything but.
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 1:49 PM
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CB-"I'm also glad to see the people who voted for Obama and supported Obamacare finally getting what was coming to them."
I did vote for Obama the first time, but not the second time; after a first few months in office he was starting to show his true colours. Other than that, I was beginning to feel uneasy about the ObamaCare program.
Unfortunately, a friend of mine, who supported Obama thought I was being paranoid and "brainwashed" and claimed ObamaCare is going to be very helpful to her and her kids because she became divorcee. I tried to explain to her what the consequences would be, but she was too stubborn to listen.
Now, one year later, her premiums rose, and her hours were cutback just to pay for her healthcare. Now she's bitching and complaining about it. I'm not going to rub it in her face, but that is something she is going to have to live with. Talk about irony.
As one black conservative Project 21 wrote out, "Since you voted for Obama and you're losing your jobs and your healthcare, don't complain."
-Big Pop
Big Pop "
I did vote for Obama the first time, but not the second time; after a first few months in office he was starting to show his true colours. Other than that, I was beginning to feel uneasy about the ObamaCare program. "
The first time around, people actually believed in his message that he was going to be different type of politician. The pundits said he was gong to be a moderate yada, yada, yada. I can't truly fault people the first time Big Pop,considering that McCain was the GOP nominee, it was like pick your poison, the second time around tough, Obama had a clear track record of failure and Obamacare was signed into law. So people knew what was going to implemented, well those who were following it.
Big Pop "Unfortunately, a friend of mine, who supported Obama thought I was being paranoid and "brainwashed" and claimed ObamaCare is going to be very helpful to her and her kids because she became divorcee. I tried to explain to her what the consequences would be, but she was too stubborn to listen.Now, one year later, her premiums rose, and her hours were cutback just to pay for her healthcare. Now she's bitching and complaining about it. I'm not going to rub it in her face, but that is something she is going to have to live with. Talk about irony."
It goes back to what I said a few weeks ago. The best way to get rid of Obamacare is for people to experience it in all it's horrifying glory. My mother use to tell me when I was growing up that "a hard head makes a soft behind". Basically stay out of trouble or get the belt.lol Even in adulthood that saying still is true. Every action has consequences. You tried to warn your friend, but it's too late for her.It's on her Big Pop.
Big Pop "As one black conservative Project 21 wrote out, "Since you voted for Obama and you're losing your jobs and your healthcare, don't complain."
Liberals always complain, that's not going to change. What none of them can say is that this is the fault of conservatives or the tea party, because they were the sole ones fighting to try and make sure this never happened. For as much as the media is the butt lickers of Obama and the Democratic Party, even they can't even find one good nugget of anything positive about Obamacare and especially it's roll out, so you know it's worse then what they aren't reporting.
Some on the Kos think that the frequesnt poster known as "Tirge Caps" might have been trolled. But who knows. There was an update to the title of his article though. (added "according to Kaiser"). I'll wait and see what else he writes...
Tyrone, did you see Hannity the other night when he interviewed 3 couples on their "Obama Care" horror stories? Each couple explained how Obama Care was "hurting" them personally and financially. But there was only one problem.... THEY WEREN'T TELLING THE TRUTH!
Salon has the story.
Not one, not two, but all three of Hannity's guests misled the audience about their Obama Care experience.
What seems to be a good idea, would always turn out to be a bad one. Reading about such idea was Prohibition, which outlawed alcohol because the moral crusaders complained that the substance was destroying most people and their family structures. Probably about the first few weeks after it went into effect, things were tranquil, then alcohol-related crime started to skyrocket.
It wasn't until citizens and the politicians who supported Prohibition to begin realized that it was a bad idea and that the law needed to be repealed. Since Prohibition was effective for 13-years, hopefully, ObamaCare will not last that long.
On a side note, a few of my local grocery store chains here on the west coast, namely Washington are being shut down, and other that are still in business are issuing a walkout/strike because of ObamaCare. Not only are the workers hours are being cut, their pay is decreasing and some of their health premiums are rising and other health plans, such as dental are being cut. Most of these employees were against ObamaCare. Now, some of these chains are scrambling to find "replacement workers" to start a little below minimum wage positions.
Also, I wonder if Obama will use his law to cover his healthcare cost once he's out of office?
-Big Pop
Man O' Man... I just ran into this one Tyrone. I wonder if you would have an opinion about an article that was re-posted by Joe Wurzelbacher, a.k.a. "Joe the Plummer." The article was originally written and posted by black conservative Kevin Jackson. I guess Joe was filled with glee when he read it and decided to post the essay on his site.
America Needs a White Republican President.
p allen "Man O' Man... I just ran into this one Tyrone. I wonder if you would have an opinion about an article that was re-posted by Joe Wurzelbacher, a.k.a. "Joe the Plummer." The article was originally written and posted by black conservative Kevin Jackson. I guess Joe was filled with glee when he read it and decided to post the essay on his site."
I know Kevin. He writes some very taught provoking things. I was going to write a story next week about how the Democratic Party can never afford to have another white male become president again. I disagree with Kevin to a point on his premise. Just because a person is white and a republican doesn't necessarily mean that that would be plus for blacks or even the nation. John McCain is a white Republican male, and he would have been just as bad as Obama. McCain isn't a conservative, Reagan was. It was policies based on principals that ushered in the prosperity of the 80's. Part of what he's saying ties in to what I am going to post next week though. I might actually use his story to illustrate my point.
CB;" It was policies based on principals that ushered in the prosperity of the 80's".
Damn Tyrone, it seems as though you don't even try to learn a thing on your own. When Reagan took office I was two years out of college. I remember those days well.
"1982, with unemployment near 10 percent, President Ronald Reagan signed TEFRA. By cleaning up the tax code, slashing deductions, that tax act raised revenue by one percent of GDP over four years -- the largest peacetime tax increase in American history".
The so-called and mythical trumped up "prosperity" of the 1980's was no more than a cyclical economic recovery from a recession aided by a TAX INCREASE.
In 1983, Reagan signed legislation raising the Social Security tax rate. In 1984, Reagan signed another big tax increase in the Deficit Reduction Act. The Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985 raised taxes yet again. Even the Tax Reform Act of 1986, which was designed to be revenue-neutral, contained a net tax increase in its first 2 years. And the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1987 raised taxes still more.
You were still in diapers then Tyrone (or just out of them). Instead of listening to right-wing propaganda, try researching. Here's an article sourced and proofed with FACTS that will help you better understand history of "prosperity" in the US economy.
Obamacare and Other Lies...
http://youtu.be/E_T7d_3mAtc
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p allen "
Damn Tyrone, it seems as though you don't even try to learn a thing on your own. When Reagan took office I was two years out of college. I remember those days well. "
I know more then you think allen. You see, there is a reason why Reagan had two of the biggest electoral college landslide victories in presidential history.The first one was because most Americans believed in his message and direction which was opposite of Jimmy Carter. The second landslide victory was due to Americans liking the direction America was going under Reagan's presidency.
You remember the "morning again in America ad" allen. That was the ad in which the Reagan team laid out it's accomplishments over the past four years such as lower interest rates, lower inflation, more people going back to work, home ownership rising etc. Notice Obama couldn't do that against Romney. Nah, he had to focus on "binders, dogs on car roofs,Romney supposedly killing a worker, Baine Capital, War on Women scare tactics and Romney being a Mormon". A major contrast I would say.
p allen "The so-called and mythical trumped up "prosperity" of the 1980's was no more than a cyclical economic recovery from a recession aided by a TAX INCREASE."
Silly allen. Tax Increases DO NOT help the private sector economy which is the main economy. Try to follow. When people have less money>They spend less in the economy>>less spending leads to slower growth or decline in growth. Your logic is so screwed, it's frighteningly ignorant. Tax Increases leads to strong economies as much 1+1=54, it's warped. No lib could ever ask this question. They created this laughable claim that the Bush tax cuts were destroying the economy, but they could never answer if that was the case, why did Obama renew the Bush tax cuts then? The argument. Why do you suppose economists focus so much on consumer confidence? Why do you think economists and economic analysts say that high gas prices act as "a tax on consumer"? It's just core common sense with clear mind, the more consumers have of their own money>the more they have to spend in the economy>the more tax revenue that is generated through increased economic activity. Again, core common sense. You said that Reagan's economy was cyclical? So then why hasn't Obama's economy started trending upward, it's been over 5 years now. So when are the Obama good times going to happen? The recession ended in July of 2009, it's now October 2013. Let me guess, the "tea party" is holding the economy hostage? lol This is weakest recovery from a recession in American history. I guess Obama is historic after all.
p allen "You were still in diapers then Tyrone (or just out of them). Instead of listening to right-wing propaganda, try researching. Here's an article sourced and proofed with FACTS that will help you better understand history of "prosperity" in the US "
Um, remember what I told you about assumptions allen. I was 8 years old when I saw President Reagan's inauguration speech on TV at Dallas F Nicholas Elementary School, FACT. The American people understood what prosperity was back in 1984, not my words
Getting back to the disaster which is Obamacare. Even the media has finally come to the realization that the Obamacare launch was an epic disaster. They can't even spin this for him. Don't even get me started about the website, Dear Leader said that he is bringing in scores of the "best and the brightest"to fix this" If that's the case, is he admitting that "the best and the brightest" weren't used in developing the site to begin with? Carney and Obama's foot soldiers have been harping about so many people visting the site when it first launched, but
why can't they say the amount of actual people who have enrolled in Obamacare not just visited the site or set up an account of site?
Millions of Americans Are Losing Their Health Plans Because of Obamacare
"If you like your current health plan, you can keep it."
Just another Obama lie. I hope that soundbite is played over and over and over leading up to the 2014 mid-term elections.
i can t debate neither a back up
in 2004 think was or 2008 first time i saw Obama mi gut feeling it is t Obama i would t vote for him
not with a punsh with words mi parents thought Obama is the greatest president.mom is in heaven now
dad read Harold tribune here as new york times.
and e mails news tom marr show mark levin ipodcast not in the news
can t compare obama to hitler
but world did t took hitler serious
untill hitler start
am afraid no one take obama serious till its to late or maybe it is
if you you in general comment follow obama who he visit where he spend
arab countrys abbas paksistan state of jordan his friends ile bet jermey wright how he thinks
muslim brother hood should tell you where his love is.it is t in the news.
here in europe you 50 insurance companys or more.and goverment put down rules.leave a side good or bad
i don t think in europe you 1 plan
or 1 government plan or
are websites or each insurance has a website you also have a office in a city
we have same plan health plan
than we are running in a circle
we need to buy a product tax goes to the goverment.if the price is so low factory need to hire more people.if more people you hire
less be on welfare if prices are low we buy we buy you have a working economic system
beside obama
goverment does t understand or get it
the iroc-z was i understood cheap fun car.mabye new camaro is.not here
if you have cheap good cars we can buy one G.M doing good
if it is opposite G.M is t doing good
you have 1ownercarguy.com
doing is elder good shape cars
can buy a cheap S class bit elder car,fleewood brougham
you had business doing in second hands cars.some one had a buisness
not so rich person could buy S class or lexsus for half of what it was.there people felt rich
owner had to hire more people in for maintain sell and search second hands cars.
its a circle we are in.
alberto gorin
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