Blacks favor Obamacare 3 to 1 to whites
Talk about a shocker I know. The progressive polling outfit Pew Polling conducted a poll on support for Obamacare aka the Forced Unaffordable Rationed Health care Act. Their poll was conducted broken down along racial lines.
The results were all so predictable.
I'm surprised that Pew even had to conduct such a poll in the first place. The majority of Americans do not want or like Obamacare. It has caused millions of Americans to have had their employment hours and status from being full time to now making under 30 hours a week as part time. Many of the new jobs that are actually being created in this dismal economy are part time jobs due mainly to Obamacare. The ruling class asses in congress were told what was going to be the result if Obamacare was passed and signed into law, but elites did it anyways.
Of course, they are trying to exempt themselves from their own law.
The ramifications of Obamacare are far reaching. Now employers are dropping the coverage for the spouses of their employees.. So with everything that is disastrous about Obamacare that will go national come October 1st of this year, why would blacks by a three to one margin support Obamacare then whites? I mean, don't they care about it's negative consequences like everybody else? Or maybe they do, BUT maybe they care more about the man who signed Obamacare into law more so then the law itself. In other words, maybe blacks care more about dare I say the skin color and party affiliation of the man who made this disastrous bill law. I think that pretty much sums it up in a nutshell. If blacks who support Obamacare support it, because they actually think health coverage is going to be affordable, wow they are in for one loud rude awakening in a few weeks..I know Republicans are trying to stop Obamacare by cutting out the funding for it as apart of the debt ceiling debate. Personally, I think they should simply step aside. Ronald Reagan won in a massive landslide in 1980 due to a barometer known as the "misery index". That index measured the suffering of Americans under the Jimmy Carter administration. Republicans didn't support Obamcare. This is Obama's and the Democratic Party's baby 100%. So instead of trying to defund it, let it go into effect, and let the American people start to scream with anger and shock at what this law is going to do to them. Republicans will get the blame for trying to defund Obamacare, but only Democrats can get the blame for the law itself. Sometimes people need to experience discomfort in order to inquire as to what is causing the source of their pain in the first place.
The results were all so predictable.
I'm surprised that Pew even had to conduct such a poll in the first place. The majority of Americans do not want or like Obamacare. It has caused millions of Americans to have had their employment hours and status from being full time to now making under 30 hours a week as part time. Many of the new jobs that are actually being created in this dismal economy are part time jobs due mainly to Obamacare. The ruling class asses in congress were told what was going to be the result if Obamacare was passed and signed into law, but elites did it anyways.
Of course, they are trying to exempt themselves from their own law.
The ramifications of Obamacare are far reaching. Now employers are dropping the coverage for the spouses of their employees.. So with everything that is disastrous about Obamacare that will go national come October 1st of this year, why would blacks by a three to one margin support Obamacare then whites? I mean, don't they care about it's negative consequences like everybody else? Or maybe they do, BUT maybe they care more about the man who signed Obamacare into law more so then the law itself. In other words, maybe blacks care more about dare I say the skin color and party affiliation of the man who made this disastrous bill law. I think that pretty much sums it up in a nutshell. If blacks who support Obamacare support it, because they actually think health coverage is going to be affordable, wow they are in for one loud rude awakening in a few weeks..I know Republicans are trying to stop Obamacare by cutting out the funding for it as apart of the debt ceiling debate. Personally, I think they should simply step aside. Ronald Reagan won in a massive landslide in 1980 due to a barometer known as the "misery index". That index measured the suffering of Americans under the Jimmy Carter administration. Republicans didn't support Obamcare. This is Obama's and the Democratic Party's baby 100%. So instead of trying to defund it, let it go into effect, and let the American people start to scream with anger and shock at what this law is going to do to them. Republicans will get the blame for trying to defund Obamacare, but only Democrats can get the blame for the law itself. Sometimes people need to experience discomfort in order to inquire as to what is causing the source of their pain in the first place.
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 4:40 PM
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The affordable care act will help me and many others. I have no compassion for bratty elitists who are afraid if the poor get healthcare, the elites will suffer.
The poor aren't going to get healthcare. Many of the health plans on the exchanges are unaffordable for average individuals.
I've always said this, and I've always been right. When the government gets involved with trying to fix a problem, it always makes it much worse then the problem was to begin with.
CB;" It has caused millions of Americans to have had their employment hours and status from being full time to now making under 30 hours a week as part time".
Would you say that "some" of these employers that don't want to provide their employee's health care any way, are acting on some kind of "cause and effect?" Do you really think so?
Why would a company place their own workers on part time status to avoid paying for health care? There can only be two, count them, two simple explanations;
1. They can't afford to pay for employee health care.
2. They don't want to pay for employee health care.
However, those explanations don't take into account that, SOME OF THESE EMPLOYERS DIDN'T PROVIDE HEALTH INSURANCE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! If the employer did supply health insurance, the cost now will go to the employee to purchase insurance through a health exchange. Therefore, the employer now is actually saving money! Now he can invest, expand and hire more part time workers. Thus more people are working and the economy grows!
The Kaiser Foundation has a calculator that will give you the cost of your coverage by providing your income and family size. I did a analysis for a family of 3 (1 parent and 2 children), living on a part-time salary of $20,000 per year. A full coverage "Silver Plan" would cost the family $400.00 per year. That's less than half of what a Walmart employee pays for a plan that doesn't cover half as much as the Affordable Care Act.
Let's be honest here because the idea of insuring every American is nothing new. Even Republicans offered plans for insuring every American. In 1989 the Heritage Foundation released a plan titled “Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans,” as an alternative to the Democrat supported single-payer system. Ironically, the "individual mandate", which was a key component of their health care plan, has suddenly become "unconstitutional."
This whole fight over Obama Care is silly. It's here to stay so GET OVER IT. If it fails, it fails. But that's not really what's at stake here. What's at stake is political honor. Republicans have hated President Obama since the moment John McCain conceded the election in 2008. From the "Obstructionist Meeting of January 20, 2009" to the "wishing and hoping for him to fail", to handing him his "Waterloo", to "the single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president", the right-wing has tried endlessly to destroy this president. The real fear over Obama Care by right-wingers is the likelihood that it will work. If insurance rates began to slow (as they're already doing, partly due to the slow economy) and begin to fall, their assertions of "job killing and death panels" will make them look like idiots. Republicans will just have to suffer for another 4 or 5 national election losses before they get the message...
"Sometimes people need to experience discomfort in order to inquire as to what is causing the source of their pain in the first place".
Tyrone-
CB;"The poor aren't going to get healthcare. Many of the health plans on the exchanges are unaffordable for average individuals".
You're tripping Tyrone. The National Journal did and analysis based on a NATIONAL JOURNAL STUDY???????
From the article you linked to;
"For the vast majority of Americans, premium prices will be higher in the individual exchange than what they're currently paying for employer-sponsored benefits, according to a National Journal analysis of new coverage and cost data".
and;
"The cost of care in the new market doesn't stack up. A single wage earner must make less than $20,000 to see his or her current premiums drop or stay the same under Obamacare, an independent review by National Journal found.".
However, the NATIONAL JOURNAL failed to provide a link to any of the Kaiser Foundations articles. Nor did they provide a link to the Affordable Health Care Calculator provided by the foundation! Granted, the numbers given could change (higher or lower, who really knows). But the fact is at the moment the present numbers are all anyone can go by.
I don't really know what the intent of the National Journals article was. But it certainly didn't read like a "wait and see" depiction. But the truth is, like any other new law, we will all have to wait and see.
The worst the right-wing can "hope for", (you too Tyrone) is for Obama Care to fail. You can hope for health insurance rates to sky-rocket, hospitals to close, mass unemployment and death panels to spring up all over the country. But you just have to remember, you're "HOPING" not predicting...
"In other words, maybe blacks care more about dare I say the skin color and party affiliation of the man who made this disastrous bill law."
In my Regan voice: Here you go again, Tyrone. Race?? You may have to come away from the far right for a minute with me, and try to look at this a little more objectively.
While I do agree many blacks do support Obama because of race, I think it is more a case of party affiliation that means a little more.
Look at our state, Maryland. Do you recall the 2006 Senate race in Maryland, Tyrone or did you forget about it? I know you would never bring that up as a black conservative because it does not fit your black, right wing agenda in trying to imply that most blacks who voted for or support Obama because they are really racist (SIMLE). Maybe some are; I will admit that, but you cannot put that on all of them. And I think you know that.
Now back to the 2006 Senate race in Maryland. The Senate race YOU, as a black conservative, conveniently ignore. Or I will cut you some slack; maybe you forgot…..conveniently I will still say, lol. But remember that White liberal, who is now our State Senator? His name is U.S. Senator Ben Carden, one of the most liberal U.S. Senators in the congress.
Didn’t White liberal Ben Carden kick the black republican, Michael Steel's butt in 2006 in the general election?? I mean it was a blow out! Why did the black in Baltimore and PG County not support Steel’s camiagn??
I mean Steele was so desperate for black vote over the white liberal Carden, he paid homeless people from Philadelphia to pass out fliers with pictures of former head of the NAACP and Democrat Kweisi Mfume, African American Prince George's County Executive Jack Johnson and former Prince George's County Executive Wayne Curry. The flier read "Democratic Sample Ballot," with Ehrlich and Steele endorsed for the gubernatorial and Senate races, and featured the names of many other predominant Democratic leaders in the African American community, including Montgomery County Executive Ike Leggett (D). The flier did not once mention that Ehrlich and Steele are Republicans or that none of the African American leaders on the flier actually endorsed both Ehrlich and Steele.
Oh, let me take it even further for you. Didn't White liberal Ben Carden defeat a black democrat and former Congressman from Baltimore City by the name of Kweisi Mfume? That would mean enough African Americans in Baltimore City and PG County would have had to vote for Uncle Ben's my friend Carden to get elected in the Democrat primary and general election.
I’ve got another one for you. You live in Baltimore, right Tyrone? Do you remember the 1999 Democrat primary for Mayor? Didn’t a white liberal by the name of Councilman O’Malley, who is now Governor O’Malley kick two black candidates’, Lawrence Bell and Carl Stokes, butt. I mean the white liberal O’Malley got more votes than Bell and Stokes combined!! Go look it up! And O’Malley, a WHITE Democrat did this in a city that is and was well over 60% black!
So again I hear you on the racist issue, but the racist are on both sides, Tyrone.
Yes, a lot of blacks voted for Obama because he’s black, but there were many whites that did not vote for him because he’s black, too. And please white conservatives; don’t hit me with the whites elected Obama. I know it’s not convenient, but let’s be more specific. Yes, it was white LIBERALS put Obama in office, not white right wingers; they hate him.
I just laugh when I hear white conservatives who now want to take credit for something white liberals did, when they usually do everything they can to separate themselves for them in most other cases.
p allen "
Would you say that "some" of these employers that don't want to provide their employee's health care any way, are acting on some kind of "cause and effect?" Do you really think so? "
No I wouldn't say allen. Benefits are one of the key incentives that employers offer to attract good potential employees to their company. There is no law that I am aware of stating that an employer has to offer a benefit package which includes healthcare to employees, they do so as I said, an. incentive. I figured you would demonize the evil, greedy companies as the bad guys allen in wanting to deny their employees healthcare insurance coverage.
p allen "Why would a company place their own workers on part time status to avoid paying for health care? There can only be two, count them, two simple explanations;
1. They can't afford to pay for employee health care.
2. They don't want to pay for employee health care."
Try number one. An employee's benefit package which includes healthcare is priced into a companies operating business budget, when cost start to rise, they don't have the luxury of merely upping the price of their products and services to offset that rise. Obamacare has caused costs to sky rocket for employers big and small. You seem to forget as I mentioned that employers were providing healthcare to the employees and were mandated to do so before Obamacare. If Obamacare is so great,
why are one of democrats and Obama's most loyal special interest group which are the unions "want out of Obamacare"?
p allen "However, those explanations don't take into account that, SOME OF THESE EMPLOYERS DIDN'T PROVIDE HEALTH INSURANCE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!"
"Some" employers didn't offer health insurance to their employees allen, that isn't nothing new. No company or business should be mandated by the federal government to provide health insurance. That should be something that a business offer voluntarily to it's employees. Now that the government has stuck it's nose into this arena in mandating a company to do it, this is naturally the end result. At the end of the day, nobody forces a person to work for any particular small business or large corporation. People know what the benefits or lack there of for working for that employer before they agree to work there allen. Wake up and join the real world.
If the employer did supply health insurance, the cost now will go to the employee to purchase insurance through a health exchange. Therefore, the employer now is actually saving money! Now he can invest, expand and hire more part time workers. Thus more people are working and the economy grows!
p allen "The Kaiser Foundation has a calculator that will give you the cost of your coverage by providing your income and family size. I did a analysis for a family of 3 (1 parent and 2 children), living on a part-time salary of $20,000 per year. A full coverage "Silver Plan" would cost the family $400.00 per year. That's less than half of what a Walmart employee pays for a plan that doesn't cover half as much as the Affordable Care Act."
The Kaiser Foundation? The same Kaiser Foundation that has been pushing for universal healthcare allen? That Kaiser Foundation? If Obamacare is so great, then you should be happy that employers are off loading their employees onto it then right? Bascially, it's a win win allen. The people get their cheap healthcare, and employers no longer have worry about the expense to provide it right? It's all good.
p allen "The worst the right-wing can "hope for", (you too Tyrone) is for Obama Care to fail. You can hope for health insurance rates to sky-rocket, hospitals to close, mass unemployment and death panels to spring up all over the country. But you just have to remember, you're "HOPING" not predicting..."
I don't need to hope for Obamacare to fail allen, it's a fate of complete that it will. 1. The numbers were fudged by the CBO during to claim that Obamcare was gonig to be revenue neutral, now the truth has come out that there will be huge deficits due to it ten years out. Why do you think the taxing part started long before the actual benefit portion kicked in? It balanced the numbers and made it a nice sail to congress. 2. If young people don't sign up in groves to buy into the system, the system will go deep in the red due to the outflow of cost to pay for the elderly who will be consuming most of the care in the first place. Young people don't need much healthcare, so Barry and Democrats desperately need the young to pay into the system and not really benefit from doing so.
I have a very strong feeling that young people are no going to buy in but rather simply pay the mandated fine and go to the hospital when they are actually sick.
p allen "his whole fight over Obama Care is silly. It's here to stay so GET OVER IT."
Um, I'm the one who said I want Obamacare to go into full affect, because I know exactly what's going to happen. I want the this titanic to meet it's iceberg. Like I said, Americans need to experience Obamacare in it's full glory. All I am saying is that it's funny how so many of the people in congress who supported it want out of it themselves and others are not planning to run for re election. I've noticed that during the 2012 election cycle Obama never once mentioned the benefits of Obamcare as a campaign platform. It was his crowing achievement yet it was not brought up. Romney didn't bring it up much either accept when campaigning to his base. It turned out that when Obama said that if you like your doctor, you can keep it, well that has now been proven wrong. I want the Obamacare Misery Index in play allen. I'm just sitting back with my popcorn waiting for the fun to begin.
p allen "If it fails, it fails. But that's not really what's at stake here. What's at stake is political honor. Republicans have hated President Obama since the moment John McCain conceded the election in 2008. From the "Obstructionist Meeting of January 20, 2009" to the "wishing and hoping for him to fail","
Should I break out the world's smallest violin for you allen? realy?
Let me guess, liberals were hoping that George Bush succeed, Reagan succeed? Of course Republicans wanted Obama to fail, just as Democrats wish a Republican president fails. It's a thing called politics allen, each side wants their own side to win and the other side to fail. I laughed when I heard liberals giving out their fake outrage cries over Limbaugh's statement. It was such BS and fake. Democrats hated George Bush ever since Florida. There was a term created by the right to describe it "Bush Derangement Syndrome". Bush could do no right in their eyes, he was called everything from, nazi, fascist, hitler, war monger, racist, bigot, curious George, retard, crackhead etc etc Are ou naive to think that hate only applies to Republicans towards Democratic presidents?
p allen "to handing him his "Waterloo", to "the single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president",
Again what opposition party doesn't see the most important thing to do is see their enemy's party as having the white house for one year? You leftists act as that politics as usual is suppose to stop simply because Obama is in the white house. lol too dam funny allen!! Remember back in 2004, Democrats were saying that"the country couldn't survive another four more years of Bush" Remember the "Vote or Die" campaign, because the lie was put out that if Bush won, he was going to draft young people to fit his illegal war for Halliburton. lol Again, it's politics.
p allen "the right-wing has tried endlessly to destroy this president. "
And the left tried to do the same to Bush, Palin as a VP candidate, Romney as a Presidential candidate and on and on and one, blah, blah,blah, here's a tissue allen.
p allen "The real fear over Obama Care by right-wingers is the likelihood that it will work."
The evidence proves that it won't work allen. Economically, the model system can not sustain itself. The system was based off of Romneycare right? Yet Romneycare is causing huge budget problems in Massachusetts.
Even Democrats who helped to draft the bill see the writing on the wall allen are are distancing themselves from it.
Marcel "n my Regan voice: Here you go again, Tyrone."
Actually Marcel, it's "There" you go again not "here" you go again,
Marcel "Race?? You may have to come away from the far right for a minute with me, and try to look at this a little more objectively."
Actually, I am a very keen observer Marcel. It has nothing to do with the right, it's just common sense. If a poll was taken tomorrow of blacks and they were asked if the main reason whites oppose Obama's policy was due to his race, the majority would say yes Marcel. It's just the cold truth. The cold truth is also that most blacks will not fault Obama on anything due to him being a black Democrat. They turn a blind eye to the him that they wouldn't do if the president was white and republican, fact! I don't have my blinders on, I see the truth for what it is.
Marcel "While I do agree many blacks do support Obama because of race, I think it is more a case of party affiliation that means a little more.
There are more white Democrats in the country then there are black Democrats. That's a fact right? So with that being said, that proves what I said, because even white Democrats aren't supporting Obamacare only blacks.
Marcel "Look at our state, Maryland. Do you recall the 2006 Senate race in Maryland, Tyrone or did you forget about it? I know you would never bring that up as a black conservative because it does not fit your black, right wing agenda in trying to imply that most blacks who voted for or support Obama because they are really racist (SIMLE)."
If you were reading my blog back in 2006, you would have read many stories I did about Michael Steele, oops. Never assume Marcel.
I did stories on the Morgan State Oreo cookies incident as well as the fake outrage over the Elkridge Club fundraiser by Erhlich and Steele. Furthermore I did several stories on how I knew most blacks were not going to support Steele, because they see him as an "Uncle Tom", "Sellout", "House Nigger" etc. I stated that a only true black is a subservient Democrat black, and that turned out to be the case. Blacks turned out largely in Prince George's Country and Baltimore City for Cardin.
Marcel "Maybe some are; I will admit that, but you cannot put that on all of them. And I think you know that."
Not all of course, just about 90% or so, give or take.
Marcel "Oh, let me take it even further for you. Didn't White liberal Ben Carden defeat a black democrat and former Congressman from Baltimore City by the name of Kweisi Mfume? That would mean enough African Americans in Baltimore City and PG County would have had to vote for Uncle Ben's my friend Carden to get elected in the Democrat primary and general election."
Did you get the memo Marcel, a black person can only be considered as an uncle tom if he is a black "republican", It doesn't apply to white or nlack Democrats.
Marcel "I’ve got another one for you. You live in Baltimore, right Tyrone? Do you remember the 1999 Democrat primary for Mayor? Didn’t a white liberal by the name of Councilman O’Malley, who is now Governor O’Malley kick two black candidates’, Lawrence Bell and Carl Stokes, butt. I mean the white liberal O’Malley got more votes than Bell and Stokes combined!! Go look it up! And O’Malley, a WHITE Democrat did this in a city that is and was well over 60% black!
So again I hear you on the racist issue, but the racist are on both sides, Tyrone. "
O'Malley received a portion of the black vote along with splitting it between Bell and Stokes. We both know the only reason O'Malley got into the race with his lame campaign slogan "there is more that unite us then divides" us was to split the black vote,it was all about opportunity. We also know the real reason why O'Malley picked Anothony Brown to be his Lt running mate, it all had to do with Prince George's county black Democrats being upset that Kathleen Kennedy Townsend picked a white guy as her running mate, and Ehrlich picked Steele thus Steele becoming the first black Lt Governor of Maryland and and a black Democrat.
Marcel "Yes, a lot of blacks voted for Obama because he’s black, but there were many whites that did not vote for him because he’s black, too. And please white conservatives; don’t hit me with the whites elected Obama. I know it’s not convenient, but let’s be more specific. Yes, it was white LIBERALS put Obama in office, not white right wingers; they hate him..
Truth be told, White Liberals originally supported Hillary Clinton with most of the young white student vote supporting Ron Paul. It wasn't until it became clear that Paul wasn't going to have a chance at winning the GOP nomination that the white youth vote started gravitating towards Obama. Of course white conservatives weren't going to vote for Obama, it would have been no different then if Cain would have won the GOP and white liberals wouldn't have voted for him. So in really, it's six in one hand and six in the other thing.
Marcel "I just laugh when I hear white conservatives who now want to take credit for something white liberals did, when they usually do everything they can to separate themselves for them in most other cases."
lol, you misunderstand why rigtwingers bring it up. They aren't taking credit for it. They bring it up to shut white and black liberal who keep harping that America is still as much as a racist country then it was back 50 years ago and nothing has changed. The polls show that blacks don't see any improvements in race relations since Obama won, that is why right wingers bring it up. It's to say Obama won, now can you please let go of your racial chip on your shoulder.
CB;"why are one of democrats and Obama's most loyal special interest group which are the unions "want out of Obamacare"?".
"We don't want it repealed, we want it fixed, fixed, fixed," said Terry O'Sullivan, president of the Laborers International Union of North America".
"We're continuing to work on problem-solving," said Trumka, president of the AFL-CIO, the umbrella organization for 57 member unions representing more than 13 million workers.".
The unions, like many other Americans including myself, wanted a "single payer" system. Although I do believe that eventually Obama Care will turn into a single payer system, much like Medicare.
CB;"Obamacare has caused costs to sky rocket for employers big and small".
Show, name and link to those companies that health care cost's have risen because of Obama Care. Mind you, health care cost have "ALWAYS" risen. Yet, from 2009 to the present, the rise in health care cost for some reason have SLOWED from previous years pace. But allow me to digress... Name the companies that can directly attribute (prove on paper) Obama Care as being responsible for the increase in their health care cost's. Then show how much more they spent.
CB;"Um, I'm the one who said I want Obamacare to go into full affect, because I know exactly what's going to happen".
You also had a clock embedded on your main page that read "Gone 2012." You really knew what was going to happen then too! Tyrone, I have no problem with you "wishing and hoping" for the Affordable Heath Care Act to fail. What I do have a problem with is the silly notion that you can predict the future. Hell, since you think you can predict the future, you might want to try being one of those "lay your hand's on em" faith healers. If you "want" government provided health care to fail, just say so.
I too often wonder who talleys these ridiculous polls regarding the polical support of black (Democrat) voters.
It's a fools errand to try and analyze why blacks routinely vote Democrat year after year after year. I'm convinced that there may very well be an undetected mental deficiency within the psyche of many liberal Democrat supporting blacks in America.
What other possible, concrete answer could one conclude as to why so many blacks in the 21st century continue to vote for the same inefficient, liberal Democrat politicians who simply promote the same tiring, government-fueled policies which benefit no one?
Obama is a narcissist whose presidential win is solely the result of guilt-ridden white liberals who are besides themselves over the fact that they once again, placed a truly unqualified minority within a position of power!
Most blacks weren't the least bit concerned about obtaining Obamacare when they threw their melanin-geared support behind Obama. All they knew or were reminded was that a biracial liberal Democrat community organizer from Chicgo was in need of their misguided support to transform the United States of America into one of their inferior, Democrat controlled, ghetto-ized communities!
"I'm convinced that there may very well be an undetected mental deficiency within the psyche of many liberal Democrat supporting blacks in America".
Thats you and every white republican who believe that. they think your good when a black votes republican. Otherwise you just have a mental problem. white republicans like ann coulter said there blacks are better. That means that she thinks blacks are no good unless they think like her. your a republican so your a good black now alpha male. But if you ever start thinking something different then your a stupid black all over again.
Gerald T.-
p allen ""We don't want it repealed, we want it fixed, fixed, fixed," said Terry O'Sullivan, president of the Laborers International Union of North America".
So you are admitting that Obamacare is broken!!! Things that are not broken don't need to be fixed, thank you allen!!! However, when something can't be fixed, it is normally replaced. The math doesn't work, and the promises can't be kept. This will soon become evident, and it's already starting to rear it's ugly head of truth.
Obama quoting trunka ""We're continuing to work on problem-solving," said Trumka, president of the AFL-CIO, the umbrella organization for 57 member unions representing more than 13 million workers.".
What problem solving? You said it yourself allen, "it's the law". Obama can't do anything about a law he signed but enforce it. It's an executive branch thing you know. Also there is nearly four times as many people on food stamps then are represented by unions, interesting fact. Also, more people are unemployed then are represented by the unions. Unions have become like newspapers, a dying breed, well private sector unions anyways.
p allen "The unions, like many other Americans including myself, wanted a "single payer" system. Although I do believe that eventually Obama Care will turn into a single payer system, much like Medicare."
Like "many other" Americans?Oh you meant most progressives. I got it.
Most Americans were ok with the health system the way it was, all they wanted was for certain things to be "fixed" also. The single pay model has been a disaster in Canada and Great Britain, now both countries are moving towards privatization. There is no such thing as univerals healthcare and cutting edge state of the art medical care. It's like trying to clap with one hand. You can only have one or the other but not both.
When the government controls what Doctors can make and start to drastically lower then, that is when the exodus of doctors will begin, because there is no way a person is going to spend 10 years studying to be a doctor and be forced to make low wages and having to deal with a massive work load while also being forced to comply with the rules and standards the government puts forth.Doctors are already leaving the system now in the U.S ahead of Obamacare's full roll out, they see the writing on the wall. And that is going to lead to shortages of doctors to deal with the with the influx of people. Forget doctor-patient relationships, that's now going to be a thing of the past.
p allen "Show, name and link to those companies that health care cost's have risen because of Obama Care"
Delta Airlines
id- and large-sized companies overwhelmingly expect health-care costs to increase under Obamacare—and most are eyeing possible changes to their health insurance offerings because of a looming excise tax for pricier plans under the health-care reform law, a new survey of employers finds
People forgoing Obamacare and rather pay the penalty due to costs and other reasons
Local governments cutting hours over Obamacare costs
Need more allen?
Tyrone “Actually Marcel, it's "There" you go again not "here" you go again,”
LOL. You are right. You got me there. But you get no points for that one. As a conservative, you better have gotten that one right to correct me! I’m kidding.
Tyrone “Actually, I am a very keen observer Marcel. It has nothing to do with the right, it's just common sense. If a poll was taken tomorrow of blacks and they were asked if the main reason whites oppose Obama's policy was due to his race, the majority would say yes Marcel. It's just the cold truth. The cold truth is also that most blacks will not fault Obama on anything due to him being a black Democrat. They turn a blind eye to the him that they wouldn't do if the president was white and republican, fact! I don't have my blinders on, I see the truth for what it is.”
That is true about Blacks giving Obama a pass on everything. I agree with that. I also agree that if the president were a white conservative Republican, he would get a lot of hate from black Americans. 1000% agree! But it’s no different than conservative Republican whites in the South and in rural America that loathe President ‘Hussain’ Obama, the Muslim terrorist from Kenya. It goes both ways. But make sure you say you get it right when talk about who opposes Obama. It is overwhelmingly conservative whites that oppose Obama’s policies; they are the ones, not whites in general.
Yes, there are some white Democrat ‘politicians’ who are backing away from Obamacare because of their particular district, but not many at all.
Get back to me when the ‘WHITE’ Democrats you speak of - many of which are in Harry Reid’s Democrat controlled Senate - vote along with House Republicans to send the repeal of Obamacare to the President’s desk, so he can veto it. Get back to me when the white Democrats that don’t like this bill do that. If now, according to Tyrone, white Democrats hate Obamacare, too, the white libs in the Senate should vote for the repeal bill that the GOP House sends them.
I agree Obamacare is bad news and is job killer, Tyrone, but your silly notion that white Democrats want it repealed now is nonsense. Maybe SOME don’t like it now, but not enough to mean it will hurt the Dems next years. Just look at your great Governor, Martin O’Malley, who’s a white democrat; he embraces Obamacare and MD was the first state to roll it out with his Lt. Governor Brown.
Oh and let us know what right-wing website or blog or pollster put out this poll that white liberals and Democrats now also hate Obamacare, too. I saw you discussing that with P-Allen above me. Was it right-wing bias pollster Rasmussen’s poll? Oh no, or maybe it was a Bill O’Reilliy or Sean Hannity or Greta Van Susteren’s FoxNews poll, lol. Just let us know.
Oh and African Americans only like Obamacare because Obama’ black? Lolol Come on Tyrone. Again, I agree Obamacare is a disaster and a job killer, but you are the one that seems to have a little racial chip on your shoulder towards black liberals and Democrats. I actually think it is more of a case of blacks are misinformed about Obamacare; they think it is free healthcare for everyone, like Universal healthcare. I agree; they are in for a rude awakening.
Tyrone “O'Malley received a portion of the black vote along with splitting it between Bell and Stokes. We both know the only reason O'Malley got into the race with his lame campaign slogan "there is more that unite us then divides" us was to split the black vote,it was all about opportunity. We also know the real reason why O'Malley picked Brown to be his Lt running mate, it all had to do with Prince George's county black Democrats being upset that Kathleen Kennedy Townsend picked a white guy as her running mate...”
Martin O'Malley picking Brown was just copying off Ehrilch. Plain and simple. Since 2000, demographics have changed in MD. The minority vote matters going forward for all candidates. The black vote is the swing vote in MD. And don't forget, Hispanics and Asians have really gained numbers in MD, though illegal and legal immigration, and they both vote in MD. They vote Democrat like the blacks you criticize. That is a problem for the MD GOP, too, the black, Asian, and Hispanic vote - a one, two, three KO punch for Republicans in MD; it actually reflect the national tread, which does not look good for the national GOP. Believe me, I think it is very unfortunate, but true.
And I agree O’ Malley is a douchebag and a poster child for phony white liberals who pretends to care about blacks and Latinos in MD so he can get their votes now and in the future. But you are factually wrong; Martin O’Malley didn't split the vote. Martin whipped two black candidates by 10,068 votes, and maybe well over 7,000 votes if you count the miscellaneous no name candidates that ran for fun.
And it gets even better for the racist black Democrats; did you know Pete Rawlings,(current Mayor’s deceased father) a prominent figure in the Baltimore City delegation, in Baltimore City politics, and in Annapolis, and in the MD General Assembly, shocked everyone in 1999. After Rawlings' friend, Kweisi, decided not to run, he endorsed the only white liberal in the race, Councilman Martin O’Malley. Now I will admit there were SOME black Democrats, who you would probably call racist, that were outraged by this.
Botton Line: If only one black Democrat would have gone against Councilman O’Malley, he would have still won by at least 7624 votes. Martin had 62,711 and the totally number of everyone who DID NOT vote for O’Malley was 55,087. So in a city that is about 64% black, a damn good amount of blacks still had to vote for O’Malley, or there is no way he could have won, not with that many blacks in the city. Read up on it here, Ty: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_mayoral_election,_1999
Tyrone” Cain would have won the GOP and white liberals wouldn't have voted for him. So in really, it's six in one hand and six in the other thing.”
Lol, why even bring up Cain? You know damn well he had no chance of winning a Republican primary; just Alan Keys did not in 2000. It’s sad because Alan Keys was and is much more a TRUE conservative than Bush and McCain. And that came out in the 2000 GOP debates with Keys there. And didn’t Cain race bait like a black liberal when he criticized Perry for going to ‘niggerhead’ in Texas with his father when he was growing up. Even I thought, big deal. Wow, I expect that stuff from black democrats, but a so called strong black conservative did it that time, lol.
Tyrone”now can you please let go of your racial chip on your shoulder.”
Hey Tyrone, I like you and your blogs, even though I don’t always agree with you, like now, but raical chip? Lol you’re the one that injects race into like 80% of your blogs lately; I’m just responding tto it. This blog post is a perfect example. I mean really, look at the name of your blog? Just saying.
Oh and why did you not approve my other post on GOP needing to worry about more than just black voting power?? I posted a great article by the Young College Republicans and what they had to say about your party. Good stuff! lol
A video that I came across as to why people support Obamacare, yet are clueless as to why it is a bad idea to have.
http://www.mrctv.org/videos/obamacare-unpopular-due-ignorance-racism-cbc-attendees
When ever Government is ever involved in something, the costs will always go up and quality will go down. You are living in a bubble to not have such knowledge. There is a Hospital in Oklahoma City that has no Government over site what so ever and... well... you just need to see the proof in the pudding.
http://youtu.be/_Zdqp22G_K4
It is this alone! Healthcare costs can only go down and quality goes up when Healthcare is treated like the Free-Market. The exact opposite of a Nationalized Universal System.
Want to have a enlightening series of thoughts over Obamacare. Here you are for all of you Statists out there.
http://youtu.be/8JEXMW9WSlg
and Anonymous...
So it is OK to get "Free Healthcare" payed/stolen from the working wage slaves, us?
If you mean the establishment/elitists, then we can agree but nationalizing healthcare is not a sustainable system. It needs to be fully privatized into a market-based system.
When there is no more middle-class and the rich are taxed to death, can not hire anyone, how is this going to continue? Nothing is free. Someone has to pay for it. By taxes, printing or borrowing money. It is this kind of economics that can not work and it will all crash so you better take care of yourself now.
CB;"Need more allen?".
Sure! Name as many as you can! However, don't you know that I never ask a question that I don't already know the answer to?
I tried to give you a hint Tyrone. But as usual you didn't pay attention. Health Care spending and costs have slowed over the past few years. The conservative propaganda doesn't make sense in the real world. For decades health care cost have been increasing. Annual 9 to 10 percent increases in health care cost have been the norm. So what do propagandist do best? They seize the moment to make false claims. From FactCheck.org;
"Health insurance premiums for employer-sponsored family plans jumped a startling 9 percent from 2010 to 2011, and Republicans have blamed the federal health care law. But they exaggerate. The law — the bulk of which has yet to be implemented — has caused only about a 1 percent to 3 percent increase in premiums, according to several independent experts. The rest of the 9 percent rise is due to rising health care costs, as usual.".
Bear in mind the part that says, "the bulk of which has yet to be implemented". The fact that it's yet to be implemented is key to the use of propaganda tactics. It's a tactic similar to "poisoning a well of fresh water before they drink." So the answer to my question is simple... These companies don't want to pay the high cost of health insurance for their employee's ANYWAY! If you pay attention to your own assertions, you'd see that the companies you mentioned are unionized. And what do most (if not all) unions demand from their employers? Granted, some employers offer health care insurance as an incentive to attract good or skilled workers. If they're doing so, of course that don't mind the cost. Also, their health care plans won't be effected by Obama Care.
Moreover, why do you think there's do or die efforts by some Republicans to defund the law?
CB;"Most Americans were ok with the health system the way it was, all they wanted was for certain things to be "fixed" also".
Ohhhhhhh...I get it. Your need to "fix" a system that has been in place for decades increasing health care cost on a average 9 to 10 percent per year is "not broken." Yet, a brand new un-tried an un-tested system is "broken?" Do I need to remind you -AGAIN- that predicting the future is not your strong suit? (ie; your 2 year long "GONE" clock is still smelling up the room)
p allen "The unions, like many other Americans including myself, wanted a "single payer" system. Although I do believe that eventually Obama Care will turn into a single payer system, much like Medicare."
The more folks find out about the effects of all this, the less they are going to want it. Even Doctors are starting to smell something fishy now. Of course Medicare is failing. Another unsustainable program. Socialized medicine can not last let alone Nationalized.
Of course who is going to convince folks like you. Statism is like blind faith, a religion that has a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Eddie;"Of course Medicare is failing. Another unsustainable program".
So that's why Romney lost the 2012 election! Remember he was going to "restore" the $716 billion President Obama cut from medicare? That's what upset all those conservative voters! I guess they switched their votes to President Obama because he was "cutting the unsustainable program!" Good observation Eddie...well done! (yeah right...)
Man o' man... some of you conservatives fall blindly for the lies, or you're just don't want to know the truth. "Sustainability" of Medicare is based on projections of economic growth and spending. The only way Medicare would become unsustainable is if there is little to no economic growth, and/or health care costs exceed the amounts taken in by the system. In layman's terms, if people aren't working and paying FICA taxes, and/or hospitals, insurers and other providers raise the cost beyond the affordability of the average American's income, the program would indeed be doomed.
Therefore, the economic and jobs situation in the U.S. would have to first fall into dire straights before Medicaid would even be effected. Second, health care insurance and hospital care would have to become completely un-affordable for the average working American. But wait... isn't that the reason why the American people and the politicians were seeking to "REFORM" the system? Isn't that why as far back as 1989 REPUBLICANS called for health care reform? Isn't that why Massachusetts has Romney Care?
I once read a story about an unemployed Canadian woman with constant headaches who waited 2 months to see a specialist. When she finally did get to see a brain specialist, she was diagnosed with sinus problem that was operated on and treated the next day. I've also read about unemployed Americans who die from thousands of different "treatable" ailments, who crowd emergency rooms in the U.S., only to be sent home to die.
So as Tyrone suggests, allow Obama Care to take effect. Let's all see what the outcome will be. As I said earlier, if it fails it fails. By the same token, if it works it works! So what anyone says, good or bad, is merely speculation. We'll all just have to wait and see...
TOP FIFTY THREATS FROM OBAMACARE
http://www.newswithviews.com/Lane/lauren104.htm
Okay Eddie, I went to the Surgery Center of Oklahoma website. First off, major surgeries (heart, lung, brain, liver, etc...) are not done in their facility. Frankly, the pricing scheme is really a good idea. However there are still "hidden cost" to their health care ideas.
"The prices for the procedures listed on this website include the facility fee, the surgeon’s fee and the anesthesiologist’s fee. The initial consultation with the surgeon is also included, as is uncomplicated follow-up care".
Thus, no prices are given for the additional charges for diagnostic tests needed before surgery, consultations to determine risk, rehabilitation or physical therapy. There are additional charges also for overnight stays and from complications, if they should arise from a procedure. They also charge for any hardware implants.
All the listed procedures and the prices are not negotiable and must be paid [in full] in cash or credit card prior to the procedure. They do accept insurance, but the prices listed on the website go out the door.
Let's say all health care in the U.S. was provided on a "cash only" basis. Next, let say that "government" get's out of the health care business entirely. No Medicaid, Medicare, Obama Care, National Institutes of Health, Centers for Disease Control, etc... Wait... wasn't it like that before health insurance and government intrusion into health care?
Before insurance and government intrusion, professional health care for the poor was basically non-existent. The poor that lived in or near large metropolitan area's, if fortunate, could receive medical care from the church or a charitable organization. However, the church often became over burdened with the expense and lack of nursing personnel to meet the needs of the population. Enter... THE GOVERNMENT!
During the 1920's medical cost were a major concern. So much so that by the 1930's several reports of non-existent medical care for the poor topped the list of concerns in the FDR administration. Oddly enough the same opposition that exists today (assertions of socialism and communist) was spread around back then.
All of these things taken into consideration, the "conservative" viewpoint should be molded to reflect the actuality of the cause of the costs, socialization and the overall problems that exist in the American health care system. The problem would boil down to one key factor. POOR PEOPLE! Those who were being grossly over paid in their manufacturing jobs that moved overseas so the company could increase profits. You know, those millions of Americans who now work "part-time" jobs. The millions who lost their homes because they couldn't pay their mortgages. The millions who's employers are throwing them off their health care plans due to Obama Care. The millions who had savings and 401k's and lost them during the economic crisis of 2008. They are the real problem. Personal responsibility... right? These people are responsible for losing their jobs, homes and health care and wind up collecting food stamps and medicare...right?
p allen "
I tried to give you a hint Tyrone. But as usual you didn't pay attention. Health Care spending and costs have slowed over the past few years. The conservative propaganda doesn't make sense in the real world. For decades health care cost have been increasing. Annual 9 to 10 percent increases in health care cost have been the norm. So what do propagandist do best? They seize the moment to make false claims. From FactCheck.org"
Interesting, if healthcare costs have been slowing for years, then why was Obamacare even needed then allen? Fact check that. It couldn't have been because of Obamacare, because Obamacare hasn't been implemented yet. Try using common sense. The reason we were told by your president why we needed Obamacare was because healthcare costs were going up, so which one is it allen?
p allen "
Moreover, why do you think there's do or die efforts by some Republicans to defund the law? "
Do you research allen, the only ones in congress activily trying to stop Obamacare's funding are the conservative and tea party Republicans, the Republican leadership is fighting them. Senator Ted Cruz is in the middle of his filibuster which is now 19 hours long, and he is getting attacked by members in his own party, Karl Rove, Bill O'Reily and others. Ted Cruz is being attacked by FELLOW REPUBLICANS
p allen "The fact that it's yet to be implemented is key to the use of propaganda tactics."
Propaganda tactics you say? Oh you mean like Democrats, Pelosi, Reid and their media flunkies saying that "Republicans want to shut down the government"? Is that what you mean? You known "Republicans want dirty air, dirty water, to push granny off a cliff, kids to go hungry yada, yada, yada". Explain this to me. You said
"The unions, like many other Americans including myself, wanted a "single payer" system. Although I do believe that eventually Obama Care will turn into a single payer system, much like Medicare."
Now if you liberals want a universal healthcare system, why would you want Obamacare to ever be "fixed"? I'm getting analytical again. We pretty much have come to a consensus that Obamacare is broken in it's current form. Follow the logic allen. You are about to be exposed. If Obamacare is ultimately fixed, that would mean that it would be "working properly", correct? Keep up with me. If that's the case why would there ever be a need for a single pay system if the current Obamacare system is working properly? So using logic, it would be in the beneficial interests of those who want a single pay system for "OBAMACARE TO FAIL"!!!! Oh snap! The only way the argument can be made for single pay is if it can be proven that Obamacare ultimately can't be fixed and is making the healthcare problem worse not better, too easy.
Oh yeah, I came across an interesting story from the New York Times about how Obamacare is going to be able to lower healthcare costs. The slogan that Americans will pay less for healthcare is alwway appealing, but the old saying always holds true."THE DEVIIL IS IN THE DETAILS"
"Lower Health Insurance Premiums to Come at Cost of Fewer Choices"
Oh wait, didn't Obama say that "if you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor", something along those lines? Well if your doctor isn't among the exchanges you are in, then doesn't that mean you won't able to keep your doctor after all? I have to credit the New York Times for doing a random act of journalism
NY Times "WASHINGTON — Federal officials often say that health insurance will cost consumers less than expected under President Obama’s health care law. But they rarely mention one big reason: many insurers are significantly limiting the choices of doctors and hospitals available to consumers. "
Gerald T "
Thats you and every white republican who believe that. they think your good when a black votes republican."
Compared to white Democrats who believe that "you aren't black" unless you vote for them, right Gerald?lol
Gerald T "Otherwise you just have a mental problem. white republicans like ann coulter said there blacks are better. That means that she thinks blacks are no good unless they think like her. your a republican so your a good black now alpha male."
Gerald T "But if you ever start thinking something different then your a stupid black all over again. "
Oh sigh. Your attempt at race baiting fell well short Gerald. First, let this sink in. I am not a registered Republican. Does my name say Alpha Republican Male or Alpha Conservative Male Gerald? I am an "unaffiliated" voter. So strike one, two and three. Second, Ann Coulter wasn't making reference to blacks who are "conservative" minded not Republicans.
Gerald T "But if you ever start thinking something different then your a stupid black all over again. "
All conservatives don't think alike gerald. We all have different views on certain issues, I'm no different. Now you try disagreeing with white liberals and see what happens. You know that blacks are suppose to "know their role" when it comes to voting right?
CB;"Do you research allen, the only ones in congress activily trying to stop Obamacare's funding are the conservative and tea party Republicans, the Republican leadership is fighting them. Senator Ted Cruz is in the middle of his filibuster which is now 19 hours long, and he is getting attacked by members in his own party, Karl Rove, Bill O'Reily and others. Ted Cruz is being attacked by FELLOW REPUBLICANS".
I didn't say the "republican leadership" was attempting to defund Obama Care. I said "REPUBLICANS" are attempting to defund Obama Care. The last time I checked Ted Cruz was a republican.
CB;"Now if you liberals want a universal healthcare system, why would you want Obamacare to ever be "fixed".
It's a simple concept Tyrone. When you're dealing with congress, "fixes" are always needed. It's kind of like the Iraq war. Things just weren't going as planned, so they had a "Surge" to fix the problems. Or like the I-Phones OS7. It was rolled out in grand fashion, next comes the "fixes." There are constant "fixes" to almost everything human beings contrive. It's called "NORMAL."
CB;"Oh wait, didn't Obama say that "if you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor", something along those lines? Well if your doctor isn't among the exchanges you are in, then doesn't that mean you won't able to keep your doctor after all?".
LOL!! As if HMO's don't already have that policy??? PPO's allow you to go outside of their network of care providers. But you pay a higher price if you do, and PPO's have high rates and high deductibles.
Under Obama Care you'll be able to keep your own doctor. Allow me to make sense Tyrone, while allowing you to regurgitate the propaganda you've been swallowing. If your job already provides you with health care, or you have your own insurance, you don't have to switch to Obama Care. Therefore, you KEEP YOUR DOCTOR. Does that make sense?
However, if you're one of those very few people (by comparison to the uninsured millions), who worked for those very few companies that decided to drop their companies health insurance (which most companies did not), then chances are you won't keep your same doctor. Unless of course the doctor joins one of the insurance exchanges covered by the health care act.
Moreover, many employers began to cut health care benefits In the Mid 2000's. In particular, it's a known FACT that for years Walmart guided it's employee's to Medicaid for their health care needs. And now that we're at the dawn of Obama Care, a study completed by Economist at the University of Michigan have concluded that;
"Fewer employers nationally than originally predicted are expected to drop health insurance benefits in 2014. There also could be an increase in workers covered by employers' policies due to health reform, according to a new study by two economists at the University of Michigan.
The predicted change in employer-sponsored coverage ranges from a decline of 1.8 percent to an increase of 2.9 percent, according to the study "Will employers drop health insurance coverage because of the Affordable Care Act?" which was published in the Sept. 9 issue of Health Affairs.
"The short answer is a few employers will (drop coverage) because their employees will have new options (insurance exchange and Medicaid coverage)".
Thus I give their predictions more credence than yours Tyrone...
As a former Marine, I feel very strongly about this. Ambassadors and the like are a representative to a country, and as such are expected to be protected. In addition, the embassy actually stand on US soil. Yes, embassies belong to the country of which they represent. Now, this was an attack on US soil against a US representative. All the while, we had drones watching the whole debacle from the air. Meanwhile, jets were waiting on the order to take off and provide air support (a low-altitude fly-over most likely would have been sufficient).
Soldiers are fighters, Warriors. People who to pit it bluntly, kill and destroy for a living and try not to get killed. They VOLUNTEERED to go to a dangerous location, to present themselves as targets, and to be willing to die for their nation's ideologies. This will sound as if I'm minimizing their deaths, but they knew full well they might not live, and they went in knowing that they were going to be in dangerous combat situations. And therefor they MUST be protected with ALL our might. Pretending that this was cause by a stupid internet video is just that “STUPID” and something undeserving of our brave men. It is pure hogwash.
Democrats especially the Progressive movement have no problem at all being hypocrites. Rules don't apply to them or blacks.
I'm trying really hard not to sound cold and unfeeling, and that's really hard to get from a message across, I know. But please, I'm just throwing in my opinion and defending it. This is not only my opinion be it has been proven to be Factual. Which is inadequately explained the stupidity of the Obama administration. Let us NOT allow Hillary and company to get off the hook and God Forbid become the next President.
The press and the Administration is doing ALL they can to Distracting from Benghazi, by allowing ALL of their other scandals to take over the front burner. Yes the Syria crisis and ObamaCare are very important, but we must not allow this scandal to die.
As for ObamaCare the other thorn in the American’s backside, Why is it that Congress has exempted itself and the entire Federal Government from ObamaCare. The President illegally delayed ObamaCare implementation for large businesses. Unions want out. Insurance companies are pulling out of the healthcare market. Millions will lose insurance on January 1st because it is cheaper for small businesses to pay a fine. The young aren’t going to sign up when the penalty is really cheap. Doctors are leaving the profession. Businesses only hire part-time employees to avoid ObamaCare costs. Full time jobs are now 30 hours a week. HiS is planning to add part time employees together to see how many full time ones they equal. Even the big Democrats, like Max Baucus, call ObamaCare a train wreck. The list of destruction could go on and on.f the socialists, sorry, Democrats haven’t figured out the American people don’t want ObmamCare, sit back and say nothing for a few days. Let Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi embarrass themselves.
Shutting down government will be on the Democrats heads.
We The People are sick of being manipulated and robbed by our own crooked government!
Those of you who have read my comment before know of my encounters with a certain Marxist, Communist, Progressive bloggers.
My mission in life is to promote GOOD people as role models and attack thugs!!!! Thats the secret of making a better society. The Progressives think otherwise.
IMHO;"They VOLUNTEERED to go to a dangerous location, to present themselves as targets, and to be willing to die for their nation's ideologies".
Mostly, and by far, the poorest Americans VOLUNTEER and are willing to die for their nation's ideologies. The richest Americans by far dare not themselves, nor do they allow their children to die for their ideologies. Mitt Romney had FIVE sons who followed his lead and dared not to risk their lives for anything, let alone an ideology.
IMHO;"Democrats especially the Progressive movement have no problem at all being hypocrites. Rules don't apply to them or blacks".
And what is that supposed to mean? What rules don't apply to progressives or "blacks?" Look dude, anyone can be hypocritical, including YOU! Yet, what does blacks have to do with your rant? What have blacks done to you?
INHM;"Millions will lose insurance on January 1st because it is cheaper for small businesses to pay a fine".
First off, most employers don't offer insurance to part-time employees anyway. Some conservatives have convinced their "non-thinking" (and really stupid) constituents that they will no have, or won't be able to afford health care insurance under Obama Care because their part-time employer won't provide it. In fact "ALL" of these low paid part time workers will be eligible for subsidies, which in cases of those who have children, could pay ZERO for total health coverage.
Moreover, many companies that have opposed Obama Care on the basis of not employing full time, have come to find they were being "penny wise, yet pound foolish!" Just last week Walmart (the "right-wings" hero of Obama Care opposition) said that 35,000 part-time employees will soon be moved to full-time status. Jobs killed by fantasy, then brought back to life by reality...
IMHO;"My mission in life is to promote GOOD people as role models and attack thugs!!!!".
In social politics, one mans "hero" (ie; "good"), is another mans "thug." The folks at the Westboro Church thanks God for dead and wounded soldiers, hates homosexuals, and profess that President Obama is the Antichrist, yet believe they are promoting "good" also.
IMHO;"My mission in life is to promote GOOD people as role models and attack thugs!!!! Thats the secret of making a better society".
The reality is that, those are "your" idea's of what's "good." The secret of life (and a better society) is to see it as it is, not as what you, [or I] think it should be...
Black people are for Obamacare because they think it is FREE INSURANCE....wait until they find out that they have to PAY for it.
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