20 years later, Barack Obama quits Trinity United Church of Christ
6-01-2008
The media has coined this campaign season as "historic", and they were right in one aspect they never thought of. It's historic, because Barack Obama is the first presidential candidate in United States history to resign from his church due to the controversy his church has cased him as a candidate. The old saying goes "a nickel late and a dime short". Barack gave his resignation letter to Trinity yesterday. Afterwards he said "
"I'm not denouncing the church and I'm not interested in people who want me to denounce the church," he said, adding that the new pastor at Trinity and "the church have been suffering from the attention my campaign has focused on them."
Decent, moral, upstanding people want Obama to denounce the hate that comes out of Trinity United, because they expect their would be President to be a person they can look up to as a person of character and conviction,but Barack Obama in his own words isn't "interested in people who want him to denounce the church". Barack Obama is leaving Trinity not because he disagrees with what it stands for, he even said in his book that the black value system of Trinity is what attracted him to the church in the first place. Obama is leaving the so called church to protect it from the scrutiny that it has been under since last year. Notice he said in his statement "the church have been suffering from the attention my campaign has focused on them". It never occurred to Obama that the problem wasn't with the people who focused on Trinity United. The problem was with Trinity itself and him running for president being apart of it. Why is it that no other presidential candidate or candidate that was elected president ever had a problem with their church overshadowing their campaign? Since Obama wouldn't denounce the church, how can anybody with common sense believe him when he denounced Jeremiah Wright? Wright's sermons were in line with what the church stood for. Barack likes the new pastor Otis Moss, yet Moss refereed to Jesus's disciples as "thugs", and Jesus himself as a "lover of thugs". I said before that Obama associates with some very low down shady people, and it looks like he will do anything to protect them even go as far to quit his church.
The media has coined this campaign season as "historic", and they were right in one aspect they never thought of. It's historic, because Barack Obama is the first presidential candidate in United States history to resign from his church due to the controversy his church has cased him as a candidate. The old saying goes "a nickel late and a dime short". Barack gave his resignation letter to Trinity yesterday. Afterwards he said "
"I'm not denouncing the church and I'm not interested in people who want me to denounce the church," he said, adding that the new pastor at Trinity and "the church have been suffering from the attention my campaign has focused on them."
Decent, moral, upstanding people want Obama to denounce the hate that comes out of Trinity United, because they expect their would be President to be a person they can look up to as a person of character and conviction,but Barack Obama in his own words isn't "interested in people who want him to denounce the church". Barack Obama is leaving Trinity not because he disagrees with what it stands for, he even said in his book that the black value system of Trinity is what attracted him to the church in the first place. Obama is leaving the so called church to protect it from the scrutiny that it has been under since last year. Notice he said in his statement "the church have been suffering from the attention my campaign has focused on them". It never occurred to Obama that the problem wasn't with the people who focused on Trinity United. The problem was with Trinity itself and him running for president being apart of it. Why is it that no other presidential candidate or candidate that was elected president ever had a problem with their church overshadowing their campaign? Since Obama wouldn't denounce the church, how can anybody with common sense believe him when he denounced Jeremiah Wright? Wright's sermons were in line with what the church stood for. Barack likes the new pastor Otis Moss, yet Moss refereed to Jesus's disciples as "thugs", and Jesus himself as a "lover of thugs". I said before that Obama associates with some very low down shady people, and it looks like he will do anything to protect them even go as far to quit his church.
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 11:13 PM
14 Comments:
The DNC is doing it best,, that is a load of crap, its doing it best for barack obama and for Hilary she should do what she has to during this election,, I Hope she goes independent, so much talk is she does anything she will hurt her self for any office later,, that is crap what is true,, the DNC and corporate media already did that by the way they treated her,, there are so many Hilary voter are not going to vote,, but I want my vote to count, So like so many Barack Obama supporter claim they do ,, If obama does not win the primary obama supporter will vote for McCain, well what goes around comes around, I do not support the DNC , I only support Hilary clinton, I will not wast my vote,, by not voting,, I will Vote for McCain, not because I want him to win, Because I do not want Barack Obama to win more,, I can put up with McCain for 4 years, His hands are tired with congress anyway,, not much he can get done with out congress,, when this election is over a new campaign will start,, that is to replace the DNC and all the senators congress men & woman who treated Hilary with so dis-respect
When there Term is up,, so many Democrats will be replace with Democrats that will be for the poeple,,What goes around comes Around,
Basically he decided to leave them alone because people have attributed the views of the church to his own personal views. I believe it was his spokesman that said this was one of the reasons that he was leaving. It is very difficult for me to believe that they expect people to believe that a person has been at a church for a long period of time and given thousands of dollars to support does not agree with the teachings of the church. I will quit attending a church in a hot minute if I hear teachings that I just cannot support. Anyone that says that they hear something time and time again that it does not affect them is either lying or does not see how they may have changed. You can become neutralized to what you hear.
He has every right to worship wherever he wants to. However I think it is perfectly reasonable for people to believe that if you attend somewhere and support it with your money that you believe what they are teaching. That became problematic where he was attending a church where racial hatred was spewed using Jesus as an excuse for it. At the same time Obama is saying he wants to unite everybody. That is a major conflict. You cannot talk out of both sides of your mouth.
Using the argument that you do not get rid of friends that you disagree with. OH YES I DO depending on what I disagree with them on. I will not spend my time with people that have racial hatred. PERIOD. I would not attend a church that spewed what I have heard on video. When I read the church web page 5 or 6 years ago before Obama came on the scene I felt they were exclusively black. I never would have known whites attended the church by the web page. I knew I would never attend there if I were in Chicago.
I forgot about the priest. When my Mom told me about the priest I told Mom that I had not heard about his appearance at Trinity. BUT I did tell her who I thought it was. I forget the man's name but I saw him once interviewed. I thought 'Why does not the Catholic leadership shut this man up?' I believe I read that the cardinal had a chat with him. I'm glad.
"I thought 'Why does not the Catholic leadership shut this man up?' " (Pamela)
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A fair question, but the Catholic Church has long lacked the guts to confront its more radical elements - many of the Jesuits and Maryknolls in Central and South America preached the same Marxist "Liberation Theology" that Phleger does.
Many, many of those "missionaries" (who espoused revolution) were killed in those places (some claim with U.S. compliance).
I have no problem with that (if true)....except that they SHOULD'VE been excommunicated and THEN killed.
Wow I had no idea about that part of Catholic history. At least the man apologized. I believe I also read that his cardinal contacted him. This is amazing. Whatever happened to 'Jesus saves'?
loki"I Hope she goes independent, so much talk is she does anything she will hurt her self for any office later,, that is crap what is true"
I agree loki. I've never seen the media so bias against a liberal democrat candidate in all my life. Every 3 seconds the media or some pundit is trying to predict when Hillary will drop out of the race. Frankly, Hillary shouldn't drop out of the race to please the media and Obama supporters, she should determine if she wants to continue or drop out. As bad as everyone has treated her, she should run independent as payback, and that would be the ULTIMATE payback to those who turned on her loki.
pamela". It is very difficult for me to believe that they expect people to believe that a person has been at a church for a long period of time and given thousands of dollars to support does not agree with the teachings of the church"
This fools in line with the "greater fool" theory pamela. Obama and his supporters think Americans are dumber then they are to believe them about Obama not knowing about Trinity and Wright. Even if people were foolish enough to buy Barack's explanation that he didn't know about right, then Barack comes off appearing absolutely "clueless" ot "in the dark".
Pamela"Using the argument that you do not get rid of friends that you disagree with. OH YES I DO depending on what I disagree with them on.
Same here Pamela. People choice their friends based on similar tastes, interests, compatibility etc. There is a major difference between disagreeing with a friend and having core beliefs that are the polar opposite of a so called friend. Just looking at the people that obama surrounds himself with, it's clear the man has either no core or those are the people he is compatible with as friends.
jmk"A fair question, but the Catholic Church has long lacked the guts to confront its more radical elements - many of the Jesuits and Maryknolls in Central and South America preached the same Marxist "Liberation Theology" that Phleger does"
I didn't know the Catholic Church had it's share of wackjob priests jmk like other denominations. Phleger is an absolute embarrassment to the Catholic faith. I doubt Pope Benedict will do anything about this, but the higher up in the American Catholic church should kick him out.
well the cathlic church did,, shut this guy down, the Cardinal sent him away to reflect on what he did,,, \
They shut him down, but right now I think if still unfair, How Corporate Media and the DNC, screwed hilary,,
But we more Hilary voter, are comming together they will no support Barack OBama, they will just not vote I know at least 1/3 of hilary voter are going to vote for McCain, So am I, Hoping we can turn 1/3 from hilary to McCain I would like to see half of hilary supporter vote for McCain,, if Obama supporter can say on CNN if Obama don't win the primary they will not vote for Hilary ,,,,and vote for McCain.
"I didn't know the Catholic Church had it's share of wackjob priests jmk like other denominations. Phleger is an absolute embarrassment to the Catholic faith." (Tyronne)
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Yes, the Liberation Theology movement has had its supporters from a number of Christian denominations, including the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church has certainly had its share of "wackjob priests," perhaps more than its share, given the pedophile priest controversy that broke several years back.
I read where father Phleger had adopted three children (one died in a gang shooting).
If true it shows how this guy has flaunted the rules of the Church he claims to be a part of. Catholic priests are barred from Marriage and having children, even adoptive ones, as they're supposedly "Married to their faith."
Regardless of whether one believes that to be a good stricture or not, it IS, and has long been the rule of the Catholic Church.
That a priest would flaunt the rules of his own Church says it all.
The problem is that it would seem that most religious people involved in Liberation Theology are merely naive dupes, unfortunately naive dupes are just as dangerous as deliberately nefarious people, sometimes more so.
Many people who work with the poor, see an innate injustice, in others having so much and some having so little.
What's too often overlooked is that poverty is NOT caused by LUCK, or BAD BREAKS, or PERSONAL CALAMITY, it's caused by BEHAVIORS and PERSONAL CHOICES. People CHOOSE to do illicit drugs and drink to excess. People CHOOSE to drop out of school and people CHOOSE to seek "fast/easy money" selling drugs or getting involved in violent crime. Poor impulse control and reckless, irresponsible behavior, along with both ignorance (a lack of access to facts/information) and stupidity (a lack of the ability to process facts/information) are what result in poverty.
The struggle against poverty is an internal one, a "personal jihad," if you will. It's not something other, well-meaning people, or governments can do much to alleviate.
"I had no idea about that part of Catholic history. At least the man apologized." (Pamela)
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The Catholic Church has had a long and sordid history, Pamela. Its abuses in Europe basically created the Protestant Movement, which sprung up in PROTESTATION to that Church, which had become intertwined with Europe's royalty.
In the America's Catholic missionaries often used brutal tactics to "convert the savages." Catholic missionaries from Spain killed the leaders of the resistance to Catholicism by pouring molten metals down the throats of their victims. There's a fairly long list of reasons why detractors have despised that institution, even though it's changed drastically over the last 200 years. It's learned some very painful lessons.
I did hear that father Phleger apologized....though he SHOULD apologize to the Obama campaign.
They desperately want the Trinity Church/Liberation Theology controversy to die down, and every time they think it's dying down, either Jeremmiah Wright or a father Phleger opens their mouths again to renew the controversy.
OK, so it wasn't going to go away any time soon anyway, BUT the Trinity Church itself doesn't have to keep stoking the fires, as they've been doing.
Personally, I'm glad when the Wright's and Phleger's speak out so honestly with their venom, same as I'm glad when a Khalid Mohammed or a Tom Metzger does the same - at least they're not hiding their intentions. The vast majority of people tend to reject that kind of racial/ethnic animus when stated so openly.
I just read the following article stating that the cardinal told the priest to take a 2-week leave of absence from his pastoral duties.
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080604/32666_Priest_Who_Mocked_Clinton_Told_to_Take_a_Leave_.htm
loki says; "if Obama supporter can say on CNN if Obama don't win the primary they will not vote for Hilary ,,,,and vote for McCain."
Well, you should wait and see what Obama does as far as the V.P. slot.
Hillary supporters who said they would vote for McCain if Obama got the nomination will be in a tight spot if he choose's her as his running mate.
The plot thickens....
If Obama make Hilary the VP I will still vote for McCain so Hilary can get elected in 2012,,,, THIS IS A MORAL STANS, WHEN OBAMA SUPPORTER SAID THEY WILL VOTE FOR MCCAIN IF HE DOES NOT WIN THE PRIMARY, OBAMA CAN NOT WIN WITH OUT HILARY SUPPORTERS, THAT IS A FACT, PLAN AND SIMPLE,,BUT SINCE IT OK TO TRASH HILARY WITH NO CONSEQUENCE, THEN THEY HAVE ANOTHER THING COMMING, LIKE I SAID WE ARE READY FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT, JUST NOT BARACK OBAMA,,, NEED TO ASK YOUR SELF, IF HILARY WON RIGHT NOW BARACK WOULD BE CRYING RACISM AND UNFAIR, BARACK VOTER WOULD BE VOTING FOR MCcAIN JUST LIKE THEY SAID THEY WILL ON MSNBC OR CNN,,, THIS IT SO TRUE,, EVERYONE KNOWS IT,, PEOPLE WOULD RIOT IN THE STREET,, THEY TALKED ABOUT ON THE NEW SO MANY TIME, FOR BARACK WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND
OOPS! I'm in the wrong place! These are African-American Haters!
African american that another blog page, no such thing, African Dissent
did you live in african and became an american, if you were born in the USA you are african Dissent, So many black say that is the correct term,, Powell, Chris Darnell it you use it
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