If government can't even run a simple automobile incentive program right, why should they be trusted with your healthcare?
Many in congress are the walking definition of incompetent. The concept behind the "cars for clunkers" program was actually commendable. It actually made sense. The concept in theory was as close to the government actually helping the private sector then anything they've done to date. Well, leave it to the government to trip over itself and take a good idea and completely mess it up. The cars for clunkers program was suppose to have ended in November, but it has been suspended less then one week into program. People are going into the dealerships in droves looking to take advantage of what they believe is a great deal. In the government's infinite stupidity, they didn't even set solid guidelines to what they consider to be a "junker". So when people bring in their old cars they believe fits the mold of a junker, the dealers have to tell them it doesn't. The percentage of applicants that have actually qualified have been small. So the consumers become angry, and the dealers look like the bad guys.
Believe it or not, that is just one of the programs with the cars for clunkers program. The second program is that the brain drains in congress didn't anticipate the pent up demand of consumers wanting to buy new cars. The program ran out of money. If the private sector was organizing this program, all the factors related to the program would have been researched, tested and planned before it was enacted. I've never heard of car manufactures and dealers that promote zero percent financing or employee discounts ever having these types of problems. Who in their right mind would serious consider wanting the federal government to run our health care system, when they can't even run a simple car rebate exchange program right? Just think about it.
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 2:28 PM
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Minor thread-Jack!
Just can't get past this racial thing in America, can we?
Officer Justin Barrett of the Boston Police Department sent an e-mail to several people, including a reporter (how dumb..!), comparing Prof. Gates to a "banana-eating jungle monkey".
In the words of the magnanimously honored irreproachable laureate of verse, Rodney King... "cant we all just get along?"
Simple Answer: The government can't run anything simple or complicated.
You hijacking a thread allen? That's impossible!!!lol
p allen "Just can't get past this racial thing in America, can we?"
Hey allen. look at the topic of this tread. It has absolutely nothing to do with race. unless the automobiles are black or white I guess. You are the one bringing up race in this thread not me.
I'd just thought I'd clarify that. I believe most Americas have been gotten past it. Most American except of many blacks don't stew in racial paranoia 365. I know I don't. As a black man, I'm clearly in the minority view among blacks. I dont' live my life wonder who today "whitey" is going to some negatively impact my life allen. I have real pressing problems and issues to deal with on a deal basis.
p allen "Officer Justin Barrett of the Boston Police Department sent an e-mail to several people, including a reporter (how dumb..!), comparing Prof. Gates to a "banana-eating jungle monkey".
Thanks for bringing that up. I got an email from a viewer of the blog. I need to send him a response on it. He asked me how do I feel about it. I believe that police officer is a victim of his own racial ignorance. I actually got into a debate with a person the other day on a very similar topic. I told the person that a black person being called a monkey by a racist white person is no different then a white person being called a cracker or a "white devil".
p allen "In the words of the magnanimously honored irreproachable laureate of verse, Rodney King... "cant we all just get along?"
Did you know that King was arrested several time since his beating for DWI? One would think that an ass beating would have knocked some sense into him to change his ways.I believe most of us are getting along. We are living our lives in the short time we have on this earth allen. Some people however want all of us to sink to their level. It's like soldier that refuses to accept that the war is over. To them it will never be over,and they want to recruit people into believing it as well.
CB;"Hey allen. look at the topic of this tread. It has absolutely nothing to do with race. unless the automobiles are black or white I guess. You are the one bringing up race in this thread not me.
I'd just thought I'd clarify that".
Calm down Tyrone...it's just a small injection. I just happened to be "reading the webmail" so to speak, and ran across the story...sorry to have upset you...
Now, with concern to the "Cash for Clunkers" program, it's worked fairly well here in Michigan, particularly in Metro Detroit.
One thing I think you understand is that the government programs are intensively specific and more often than not, confusing. Government bureaucracy has always been, and will continue to be a pain in the rear.
What you don't understand is that the government has to at all times "cover it's own ass"! Lawsuits against the Federal government are embarrassing for them. Moreover they're quite awkward seeing that a "federal lawsuit" has to be held in a "federal court" heard by "federal judges", with "federal lawyers" defending the "federal government!" To prevent such things from occurring the government bureaucrats place all these rules and regulations on ever dime that comes from them.
Hell, to this date the average person can't even do their own tax returns! But does that mean that those who receive tax returns each year are "ranting, raving and protesting" about filling out forms, and the bureaucratic process of receiving their own money back from the government? HELL NO! Everyone complains about "paying taxes", but I don't know anyone who complains about receiving a tax return...
The dealer shown in the video has one major complaint. That was the "paperwork" and regulations involved in order to satisfy the governments rules. His problem was that he couldn't explain how the program worked to the customers! That's not the customers, nor the governments fault. Being a "businessman" the salesman should have known about the obvious governmental bureaucracy that comes along with the slightest dollar of tax payer government funds. That's just the way it is!
If the owner of that dealership decided to make the salesman in the video part owner of the dealership, imagine the paperwork that would have to be generated. Imagine the legal process, lawyers and accountants that would have to be involved? I'd bet you wouldn't hear him complain about that process!!
He said the government's rule's were on about 150 pages. His best bet (if he want's his part commissions on the more than 200,000 vehicles) transactions, is to take the booklet home, study it, pick the parts out that are most pertinent to what the customer needs to know...quit complaining..and SELL SOME CARS!
p allen "Calm down Tyrone...it's just a small injection. I just happened to be "reading the webmail" so to speak, and ran across the story...sorry to have upset you..."
I was joking with you allen. You libs are way to high strung.lol Did I truly sounded upset allen? I thought when you made the statement "Just can't get past this racial think in America, can we", I thought you were talking about me. If you want to highjack a thread, I have no problem with it.
p allen "One thing I think you understand is that the government programs are intensively specific and more often than not, confusing. Government bureaucracy has always been, and will continue to be a pain in the rear"
You may need to lay down and rest allen. I don't think you are feeling ok. You said "Government bureaucracy has always been, and will continue to be a pain in the rear". You do realize that a liberal would never say that right? If another lib would have caught you saying that, lets just say I don't want to imagine what wouild be said.lol
For what it's worth, I do agree "that's a first". I heard today that the Post Office is $7 billion dollars in the red. The word is that they are going to start laying off people and closing Post Office branches. They're citing people's increased use of email and online bill pay as the reason for for the down turn in business. A private run company would have been adopted their business model at the slightest hint of a changing business environment.
p allen "Now, with concern to the "Cash for Clunkers" program, it's worked fairly well here in Michigan, particularly in Metro Detroit. "
I heard about Ford today. They've seemed to have really turned things around.I respect that company a lot. They didn't take one red cent in bailout money. I was Ford all luck. The Cars for Clunkers did help their bottom line. This is why the government needs to step off allen. Did it ever occur to the brain drains in congress that by them putting no restriction on the brand of cars people can buy with their $4500 allowance, they are actually hurting the people's "investment" in GM? Over 51% of that clunker money has gone to buyers who purchased "foreign" cars, yet the government owns over 70% of GM. They are actually screwing over the tax payer. Obviously the people in Washington that put the Cars for Clunkers program together didn't think about that allen. This is why they shouldn't be allowed nowhere near controlling health care.
p allen "What you don't understand is that the government has to at all times "cover it's own ass"! Lawsuits against the Federal government are embarrassing for them. Moreover they're quite awkward seeing that a "federal lawsuit" has to be held in a "federal court" heard by "federal judges", with "federal lawyers" defending the "federal government!" To prevent such things from occurring the government bureaucrats place all these rules and regulations on ever dime that comes from them."
Nobody doesn't even know if the program will be funded before the clowns slither out of town for their August break. Potential customers are in limbo and so are the dealers. Excessive regulations a key component in why things are so crewed up with the program.
p allen "Hell, to this date the average person can't even do their own tax returns! But does that mean that those who receive tax returns each year are "ranting, raving and protesting" about filling out forms, and the bureaucratic process of receiving their own money back from the government? HELL NO! Everyone complains about "paying taxes", but I don't know anyone who complains about receiving a tax return..."
It's still no excuse to why the tax code as to be several thousand pages long allen. Simplicity is always the best way to go in anything. People only hire tax prepares, because they can't understand the mountains upon mountains of complex forms They were all created by government bureaucrats not private industry. A flat tax would put the IRS out of business. That's why it has never gotten any traction in congress and never will.
p allen "The dealer shown in the video has one major complaint. That was the "paperwork" and regulations involved in order to satisfy the governments rules. His problem was that he couldn't explain how the program worked to the customers!"
Wrong allen. How could he explain the program, when the EPA kept changing the definition of what they believe is a junker? People have been bringing in their cars believing one thing but being told something else. That is all thanks to two government agents not communicating what was the ground rules to determine what a junker is.
P Allen "That's not the customers, nor the governments fault. Being a "businessman" the salesman should have known about the obvious governmental bureaucracy that comes along with the slightest dollar of tax payer government funds. That's just the way it is!"
You got to be kidding allen. The salesman isn't the boss!!If the boss or owner of the dealership can't figure out the bureaucratic nightmare, why would you expect the salesman to allen? They're is a reason why certain industries and small business owners don't want to go into heavily regulated industries. I don't blame them one bit. Once upon a time, I was in the process of perusing my wholesale automobile dealer license. The state requirements were beyond ridiculous. Most of their requirements they wanted in order to comply didn't have anything to do with cars.
p allen "If the owner of that dealership decided to make the salesman in the video part owner of the dealership, imagine the paperwork that would have to be generated. Imagine the legal process, lawyers and accountants that would have to be involved? I'd bet you wouldn't hear him complain about that process!!"
Most of the politicians are lawyers. That explains a lot allen. Lawyers make bill which need another lawyer to translate it once it becomes law. Government believes in growing itself allen. Where do you thnk the term "paper pusher" came from allen?
p allen"He said the government's rule's were on about 150 pages. His best bet (if he want's his part commissions on the more than 200,000 vehicles) transactions, is to take the booklet home, study it, pick the parts out that are most pertinent to what the customer needs to know...quit complaining..and SELL SOME CARS!"
It woudl be hard to sell more cars if the salesmen had to spend twice as much time filling out additional paperwork allen. Time filling out paperwork is less and less time closing the sale on potential customer.
CB;"You got to be kidding allen. The salesman isn't the boss!!If the boss or owner of the dealership can't figure out the bureaucratic nightmare, why would you expect the salesman to allen?".
Okay, I'll buy that. Here we have a salesman (actually, the chyron read that he was the "Sales Manager") that works for a "New Car" dealership that has.. ohh, let's say, possibly "MILLIONS" of dollars in New Car inventory.
Being at the very least, a bit "knowledgeable" of your own governments bureaucracy isn't a prerequisite for selling cars. It's really no need for a car salesman to know "ANYTHING" about, Taxes, Titles, Title transfers, Auto registration, DMV Plates or Plate transfers, Insurance, Credit and Financing...hell, he doesn't even have to know how to "drive"!!
Next time you go into a new car dealership looking to buy a car, when the salesman asks, "what kinda' car you lookin' for"...just tell him, "A blue one"!
CB;"It woudl be hard to sell more cars if the salesmen had to spend twice as much time filling out additional paperwork allen. Time filling out paperwork is less and less time closing the sale on potential customer".
Typically, in most "New Car" dealerships the paperwork is handled by office personnel.
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