The weak Republican leadership could learn from a person like Congressman Joe Wilson.
I can't stand Republican House Minority Whip Eric Cantor and House Minority Leader John Boehner. These pandering fools are the reason why so many people have abandoned the Republican Party. After Congressman Joe Wilson called out Barack Obama last night, the weak, inept, pandering, pseudo Republican leadership read Joe Wilson the riot act. I'm not going to condemn Joe Wilson for what he did. I just wish more Republicans had the testicular fortitude to have done the same thing. I am sick and tired of the inside the beltway republicans taking the "high ground". This is why I treat moderate republicans in the same manner I do liberal democrats. I know Joe was frustrated having to sit their and listen to Obama spout lie after lie from his teleprompter. The problem wasn't with Joe Wilson, it was with the weak, self serving Republican leadership that threw Wilson under the bus and forced him to apologize to the Presidential liar.
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 8:14 PM
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Joe Wilson just said what I always wanted to say to Obama. I know Obama is a liar and I don't need Joe Wilson to say it but it felt good to hear someone boldy call Obama out on his lies. The fact that the Republican Leadership is denouncing Joe Wilson for his actions reminds me again why Republicans lost the 2008 presidential Election. Not being bold and standing up for what they believe in.
Cowering at the racist label too explains why they attacked Wilson instead of defending the man's words.
In fact they won't even defend their own positions!
The amazing part was this came just after Obama accused the opposition of lying!
Right on!! Feel the same way my friend.Tried to send Wison a BIG THANK YOU from Kansas by e-mail but couldn't , so it will go out to him by mail.Would you to talk to you some day look me up on myspace any time.Keep up the good job!T.L.Bailey Bonner Springs,Ks
Okay, you won't take the wording in H.R. 3200 as fact that illegal immigrants will not receive federally funded health care under this bill...fine, you don't believe it.
In America we have free speech, and this is why I have no problem with whatever pundits, politicians or the average citizens has to say about the President of the United States. Be it crazies that believe Bush brought down the towers, to the crazies that believe in "death panels" and illegal alien health care, you are free to believe whatever you please....
However, it's not "what" Joe Wilson said that concerns me. It's what he said and "where" he said it that's problematic.
Now, conservatives are promoting a "change" in the decorum, the pleasantries, the propriety and good taste in conduct of the House Joint Session of Congress that has existed for centuries. In such public settings, a certain degree of respect has always been given to the President of the United States, and the office which he holds.
Yet we have conservatives defending a "CONGRESSMAN" SHOUTING and heckling the president as a "LIAR" on the floor of the congress during a nation wide address to the American people!
And not only are they saying it should have been done, but they are urging that other elected Republican officials should do the same!
I remember in 2003 when Natalie Maines of the Dixie Chicks told a British audience she was "ashamed of Bush's Texas roots" and the Iraq War policy. Conservative pundits rallied to boycott their music, and succeeded in driving down their record sales and popularity.
My God folks!!!! This was a "MUSICAL GROUP" (not a political organization or policy making body, or individual) speaking out against a policy for which they believed was wrong! Yet conservatives saw the need to make them "suffer" for speaking out freely against, who?... the President of the United States!
Conservative philosophy dictates that a "musical group" should be shunned and boycotted for being "ashamed of the president" in Great Britain. Yet a Republican Congressman should be able to shout at, and call the president a "LIAR" on the floor of congress during a presidential address????
Why now do you deem it necessary to "change" the decorum in congress to allow insults during a joint session and a presidential address...whether you believe what the president is saying or not? Why is it now "OKAY" fro members of congress to do or say what ever they want to the president during such an address?
I have checked and researched this and have yet to find "ONE" incident of the president being called a "LIAR" by any elected official in attendance during a presidential address. This appears to be the first time it has ever happened. The question is WHY?
Many presidents have been accused of lying, but why has it suddenly become "ACCEPTABLE" for a congressman to disrespect the office of the president.
It's absolutely true that Bush was called a "LIAR" by almost every politician and pundit that disagreed with the Iraq War. But none of them ever...ever....ever dared to call him a LIAR to his face on floor of congress, during a press conference, an address, or during a televised speech or otherwise.
Okay...I understand it. You believe President Obama is a liar...fine! But is that the reason why conservatives wish to take away the respect, the reverence, the nobility, the honor and the acclaim of the office??
Hypothetically, lets remove Barack Obama and replace him with any other so-called "tax and spend, pro abortion, feed the poor, health care endorsing, non enforcing illegal immigration liberal." Lets call him...aaahhh let's say...Bill Clinton, or Jimmy Carter, or Lyndon B. Johnson, or Franklin D. Roosevelt. During any of their tenures, did the office lose respect to the point of conservatives calling for "DISRESPECT" by congress?? WHY NOT? Why weren't these presidents policies used as a call for lowering the probity of the office?
Because Barack Hussein Obama holds the office of President of the United States, conservatives have decided that the position is now "stained." WHY??? Something is missing in the conservatives equation...
CB;"I'm not going to condemn Joe Wilson for what he did. I just wish more Republicans had the testicular fortitude to have done the same thing".
You've lost your "ever lovin' mind" Tyrone!
You said that the press was going to dig up the dirt on him....that's the only thing you were right about.
Low and behold, Joe Wilson is a certified "NUTCASE"!
Look here as he goes ballistic and attacks former Rep. Bob Filner for telling "THE TRUTH" about the U.S. giving biological pathogens to Iraq.
Wilson also had to Had To Apologize After Attacking Strom Thurmond's Illegitimate Daughter.
This "SCUM" of a man actually had the audacity say that Essie Mae Washington-Williams was a "LIAR." (sound familiar???) Wilson claimed that Ms. Washington-Williams brought, "a smear on the image that [Thurmond] has as a person of high integrity who has been so loyal to the people of South Carolina". Wilson further stated that, "even if she was telling the truth, she should have kept the inconvenient facts to herself."
Even then Wilson stuck his tail between his legs, groveled and then apologized.
It's also come out that Wilson is, or was a member of a "neo-confederate" fringe lunatic group called Sons of Confederate Veterans. Read the article as this group is shown to have some very strange bedfellows...
And this guy becomes a conservative "GIANT", a "real American hero" and a "darling" of the conservative right???
In the Republican party, I thought Palin was the stupidest, Jindal was the weirdest, and David Duke was the most radical. But, Joe Wilson is all of them wrapped in one package!
AS A BLACK AMERICAN WHO SUFFERED FROM 9-11 AS I SAW THE PICTURES OF THREE LITTLE BLACK CHILDREN WHO DIED FROM THE EVIL DEED OF MUSLIMS SEEKING 72 BIG BREASTED WHITE WOMEN AND 28 WHITE BOYS KILLED THEM. NOW THE ISLAMOMARXIST WANT TO FORGET THEM. I SAY TO ALL ANTI AMERICANS--NO WAY, I WILL NEVER FORGET.
CB- Off topic, but here is a video you that will give you a laugh. 'Obama's big bus' via Lucianne.com
Stanman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_JUQSje_xA
almondtea "Joe Wilson just said what I always wanted to say to Obama. I know Obama is a liar and I don't need Joe Wilson to say it but it felt good to hear someone boldy call Obama out on his lies."
I feel the same way Almond indeed. The media and Obama's fanatics aren't focusing on the fact that he did lie for 45 minutes. For them, that has gotten lost in translation.
Almondtea "The fact that the Republican Leadership is denouncing Joe Wilson for his actions reminds me again why Republicans lost the 2008 presidential Election. Not being bold and standing up for what they believe in.
Cowering at the racist label too explains why they attacked Wilson instead of defending the man's words.
Thats why I openingly question whether Republicans even deserve to pick up a large number of congressional seats next year. If the GOP actually retakes congress and still have the same weak pandering "leadership", it will be no different then the years that led up to 2006 and 2008.You are right Almond, they should have defended Joe. The poll numbers show that Americans don't trust Obama when it comes to healthcare. Since they don't trust him, they know he is lying!! Joe Wilson merely said what we all know about Obama's health care intentions. If the majority of the country believed him, the polls would be showing something completely different.
kona "The amazing part was this came just after Obama accused the opposition of lying!"
It was almost like something out of the Twilight Zone kona. He as telling lie after lie after lie in the faces of the American public, yet Obama wasn't the one made to apologize! Welcome to wacky land, hope and change style. If I was Joe Wilson, I would the following "I will apologize to Obama as soon as he apologizes to the American people first". That is all I would say. The media would never ever ever ever ever report such a statement unless the President was a Republican and the person saying it was a Democrat.
terry "Right on!! Feel the same way my friend.Tried to send Wison a BIG THANK YOU from Kansas by e-mail but couldn't , so it will go out to him by mail.Would you to talk to you some day look me up on myspace any time.Keep up the good job!T.L.Bailey Bonner Springs,Ks"
Thanks Terry, I'll check you out. Continue to fight on.
p allen "Okay, you won't take the wording in H.R. 3200 as fact that illegal immigrants will not receive federally funded health care under this bill...fine, you don't believe it."
There is no mechanism in the bill stating illegals won't get government health care benefits allen. The bill simply say nothing that they will. It's a red herring argument. I want to see the language that is written stating that illegals won't get benefits.
Ip allen" In America we have free speech, and this is why I have no problem with whatever pundits, politicians or the average citizens has to say about the President of the United States. Be it crazies that believe Bush brought down the towers, to the crazies that believe in "death panels" and illegal alien health care, you are free to believe whatever you please....
those crazies as you call them are liberals allen. People like Van Jones and Jeane Garofalo. We've been over this over and over again with the "end of life counseling aka death panels. Obama even said it himself. When grandma gets up in age, her will for life might not be enough to warrant health care that will extend her life. Instead of her getting the pacemaker, maybe she should just have "pain pills".
p allen "However, it's not "what" Joe Wilson said that concerns me. It's what he said and "where" he said it that's problematic.Now, conservatives are promoting a "change" in the decorum, the pleasantries, the propriety and good taste in conduct of the House Joint Session of Congress that has existed for centuries. In such public settings, a certain degree of respect has always been given to the President of the United States, and the office which he holds.
Wasn't it the Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi allen who said that she liked Van Jones, because he was a "great disrupter of the status quo"?
So why did Nancy get upset when Joe Wilson became a great disrupter of the "status quo" in regards to Obama's liefest allen? Obama even said that he needs people to get in the faces of independents and republicans. Am I missing something allen?
p allen "Yet we have conservatives defending a "CONGRESSMAN" SHOUTING and heckling the president as a "LIAR" on the floor of the congress during a nation wide address to the American people!"
Imagine that allen. A person calling out a liar as a liar. Did it ever occur to you that if Obama would have told the truth, Joe wouldnt' have had a reason to call him out as a liar? Get off your high horse. If a democrat would have said the exact same thing about Bush while he was talking about the need to go to war in Iraq, you would have been one of the first ones cheering while watching it on television. So pleas spare me and others reading your fake outrage allen.
p allen "And not only are they saying it should have been done, but they are urging that other elected Republican officials should do the same!"
Maybe conservatives should adopt some of the tactics by the left allen. Maybe conservatives should become "great disrupter's of the status quo" ;-)
p allen "I remember in 2003 when Natalie Maines of the Dixie Chicks told a British audience she was "ashamed of Bush's Texas roots" and the Iraq War policy. Conservative pundits rallied to boycott their music, and succeeded in driving down their record sales and popularity."
Ah the memories allen, you took me back down memory lane. What ever happen to the appeaser chicks anyways? Are they still around? In reality, the Dixie Chicks were the ones who brought their own demise on themselves. Country music by most accounts is a conservative format genre. It was only natural that country music fans would trash the Dixie Chicks, they were seen as fakes. The Dixie Chicks might have presented the liberal oasis of Austin Texas, but they didn't speak for the conservative state of Texas nor conservative country music fans in general.
p allen "Conservative philosophy dictates that a "musical group" should be shunned and boycotted for being "ashamed of the president" in Great Britain. Yet a Republican Congressman should be able to shout at, and call the president a "LIAR" on the floor of congress during a presidential address????"
Look at how liberal hollywood shunns and blacklists conservative actors and actresses allen. So once again spare me!!!
p allen "Why now do you deem it necessary to "change" the decorum in congress to allow insults during a joint session and a presidential address...whether you believe what the president is saying or not? Why is it now "OKAY" fro members of congress to do or say what ever they want to the president during such an address?"
Where you saying all of this allen back in 2005 when Bush was disrupted with boos? Simple yes or no will do allen.
p allen "I have checked and researched this and have yet to find "ONE" incident of the president being called a "LIAR" by any elected official in attendance during a presidential address. This appears to be the first time it has ever happened. The question is WHY?"
I guess that means that the even was "HISTORIC" then allen lol I though we were suppose to celebrate HISTORIC events that pertain to Obama allen?
p allen "Many presidents have been accused of lying, but why has it suddenly become "ACCEPTABLE" for a congressman to disrespect the office of the president."
When Bush was booed while giving his state of the union speech, "the office of the president" was disrespected so shed some tears in an opposite direction allen.
p allen "It's absolutely true that Bush was called a "LIAR" by almost every politician and pundit that disagreed with the Iraq War. But none of them ever...ever....ever dared to call him a LIAR to his face on floor of congress, during a press conference, an address, or during a televised speech or otherwise."
Actually Joe didn't call him a liar to his face. The teleprompter from which Obama was reading wasn't in front of Wilson. Look at the video and you will see Obama turn his head towards Wilson after Wilson said the word lie. So stop crying Allen.
p allen
Hypothetically, lets remove Barack Obama and replace him with any other so-called "tax and spend, pro abortion, feed the poor, health care endorsing, non enforcing illegal immigration liberal." Lets call him...aaahhh let's say...Bill Clinton, or Jimmy Carter, or Lyndon B. Johnson, or Franklin D. Roosevelt. During any of their tenures, did the office lose respect to the point of conservatives calling for "DISRESPECT" by congress?? WHY NOT? Why weren't these presidents policies used as a call for lowering the probity of the office?
Stop crying allen geez. You are falling apart due to the action of ONE MAN out for 435 members in the House of Representatives. And that ONE MAN was taken to the wood shed by the Republican House Minority leader and the Republican Whip. So you can't say that the GOP leadership backed Wilson's actions allen. That is the reason why I created the video in the first place.
p allen "Because Barack Hussein Obama holds the office of President of the United States, conservatives have decided that the position is now "stained." WHY??? Something is missing in the conservatives equation...tives.
Barack Obama just happens to be the most radical person in American history to hold the position of President. If Obama's ideology and policies were in the mainstream, conservatives wouldn't have a legitimate beef with him. It can't get no simpler then that allen.
CB;"Where you saying all of this allen back in 2005 when Bush was disrupted with boos? Simple yes or no will do allen".
No! Because I've heard presidents being sighed and booed on the floor of the congress long before Bush. But NEVER has a congressman yelled "YOU LIAR" at the president during a joint session.
Still you haven't answer the question. Why do you "NOW" deem it acceptable? Has the presidency been so "tainted" that now congress owes no level of respect for the President of the United States?
Look at these facts;
Social Health Care- promoted by Teddy Roosevelt to Truman, to the Clinton administration.
Not once ever had the president been called a "liar" on the floor of the house.
Huge government spending programs, social, military, domestic and foreign- promoted by Democrats and Republicans alike.
Not once ever had the president been called a "liar" on the floor of the house.
Scandals (Watergate, Iran-Contra, Monica Lewinsky) - within, and around the White House and the president.
Not once ever had the president been called a "liar" on the floor of the house.
Speaking of Bush, he himself attempted an "amnesty" bill, while touting that he would secure the borders! Bush lies about WMD's.
Not once was he ever called a "liar" (to his face, or in his presence) on the floor of the house.
The president of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, caught red-handed "lying" to the ENTIRE COUNTRY!
Not once ever had the president been called a "liar" on the floor of the house.
Even after "known lies" and "crooked deeds" of Nixon, the presidency was still considered the ultimate political bastion of respect.
So the question remains, with Obama's proposals being "NO DIFFERENT" than any given one of his predecessors, WHY IS IT NOW DEEMED ACCEPTABLE TO DISRESPECT THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?????
Would some one please have the "guts" to tell the TRUTH!!!
p allen "And this guy becomes a conservative "GIANT", a "real American hero" and a "darling" of the conservative right???"
Look at the reason why he became a "conservative giant" allen. It wasn't because of everything you mentioned. IT was because of the 2 second word that he said. All the opposition research doesn't matter. It was the act of him saying the word LIE that has gotten him the attention. If I was would have said to Obama lie in the house chamber, would my background make what I said any less relevant allen?
p allen "In the Republican party, I thought Palin was the stupidest, Jindal was the weirdest, and David Duke was the most radical. But, Joe Wilson is all of them wrapped in one package!"
Palin is about to make more more then you will see in a life time allen thanks to her taking advantage of opportunity. That is FAR FROM STUPID!! Stupid people don't get paid six figure pay days to deliver speeches. As for Jindal, what characteristics make him "weird"? Sure he hasn't been to 57 states like the teleprompter dependent dolt you call President, but Jindal's ideology is more in line with Americans then the Marxist in a three piece suit. You call David the most radical?lol lol So people like the red menace Dennis Kucinich, Shelia Jackson Lee, Cynthia McKinney are mainstream? ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!
p allen "You've lost your "ever lovin' mind" Tyrone!"
coming from you allen, I'll take that as a compliment.
p allen "You said that the press was going to dig up the dirt on him....that's the only thing you were right about.Low and behold, Joe Wilson is a certified "NUTCASE"!"
Thanks for proving me right about how the "opposition research game" works allen. Most of the stuff you've shown, I've been known about it. This is really rehased info. Here's my question. What does Joe Wilson's background has to do with him calling Obama a liar? Once it again it seems to come down to "deflection politics". This was the stuff that happened to Joe Wurzelbacher aka Joe the Plumber. I still don't know how the information about Joe the Plumber's divorce or not having a plumber's license had to do with his statement about redistribution of wealth being any less valid? If liberals want to got this route, that's cool with me. I think it his extremely hypocritical, because Robert Byrd of West Virginia is the longest serving Democrat in the Senate and was a card carrying member of the Klu Klux Klan. Where's the opposition research by crooks andliars on that allen? Just to change the topic for one second. I can care less about the confederate flag. They're were black native South Carolinians who fought to keep the flag flying over the South Carolina State House. I have a good friend that lives down in South Carolina, He's a constitution party member. He supported with a passion the confederate flag as apart of his heritage. To me it's funny. If anyone supported the South Carolina state flag, they were considered racists by default. Yet if anyone says anything about the segregated Congressional Black Caucus, they are still labeled racists. Welcome to la la land.
p allen "Look here as he goes ballistic and attacks former Rep. Bob Filner for telling "THE TRUTH" about the U.S. giving biological pathogens to Iraq."
And once again, this has to do with him calling Obama a liar how allen?
p allen "Wilson also had to Had To Apologize After Attacking Strom Thurmond's Illegitimate Daughter."
How man leftists have apologized for calling Sarah Palin a cunt, whore, slut, bitch, milf, skank and other words I can't mention? I curious allen. Has Harry Reid apologized to Bush for calling him "dangerously incompetent", a "liar" and a "loser". Did you say something allen about "respecting the office of the president"?
p allen "It's also come out that Wilson is, or was a member of a "neo-confederate" fringe lunatic group called Sons of Confederate Veterans. Read the article as this group is shown to have some very strange bedfellows..."
Oh I know you didn't say something about "strange bedfellows" allen. Oh snap you stepped in its. Obama was at the Pentagon today on 911. Remember that one of Obama's bedfellows was a man by the name of William Ayers that bombed the Pentagon also.Obama's bedfellows include Jeremiah Wright, Otis Moss, Louis Farrakhan, Louis Gates, Frank Davis. William Ayers Michael Phlegher. Joseph Lowery just to name a few. A person with a glass house shouldn't throw stones. Does that ring a bell?
CB;"Barack Obama just happens to be the most radical person in American history to hold the position of President".
BULLS#%T!!!! You drastically need an "AMERICAN HISTORY" lesson Tyrone.
More radical than every president before Lincoln who allowed and even owed SLAVES?
-Such as Andrew Johnson who took over after Lincoln was assassinated and stated; "“this is a country for white men, and by God, as long as I am President, it shall be a government for white men.”
(But Obama attended a church with a racist black preacher for twenty years, one he doesn't attend any longer)
-Such as Millard Fillmore who signed the "Fugitive Slave Act"?
More radical than Ulysses S. Grant, who once signed General Order No. 1862, that order all Jews out of Mississippi, Kentucky and Tennessee?
(but Obama attended a dinner at the home of a domestic terrorist "who was a terrorist when Obama was 4 years old, and whom the government never convicted)
More radical than Calvin Coolidge who took personal control over the Boston Police during a strike?
(while president, Obama "LOANED" domestic auto company's tax dollars to keep them from going under, which was something that had been done years before)
More radical than Warren G Harding who's many scandals included the Teapot Dome bribery scandal, and the Ohio Gang that robbed the U.S. government of millions of dollars??
More radical than Richard M. Nixon who was caught in a ton of lies, cover-ups, and the mastermind of an illegal break in, resigning from office in disgrace??
That's just a few off the top of my head....
President Obama has been in office for 8 months, but you and your conservative cohorts think he's the most "radical" in American history??
All the scandals perpetrated by former Presidents of the U.S., and misdeed's I've pointed out, and the best you can do is "Obama's a radical"?????
Tyrone, all politicians lie! We both know this. But no congressman has ever called the president a liar on the floor of the house. Yet NOW you deem it "ACCEPTABLE" to disrespect the office of the president???
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE!!
There is some other reason that a congressman (and conservatives) deem it acceptable to disrespect the office of the president. HISTORY shows us that had NEVER been deemed necessary to do such a thing.
Can someone, anyone, give a "sound" and coherent reason for it now to be acceptable to call the president a liar from the floor of the congress, during an address to the American people and the congress?????
CB;"This was the stuff that happened to Joe Wurzelbacher aka Joe the Plumber".
Joe the Plumber is not a congressman...hell he isn't even a licensed plumber!
CB;"How man leftists have apologized for calling Sarah Palin a cunt, whore, slut, bitch, milf, skank and other words I can't mention?".
What does Sarah Palin and Strom Thurmonds illegitimate daughter have in common??? Absolutely NOTHING!
I don't understand your fascination with Sarah Palin. Yet you continually use her as an "defense" for almost anything negative that occurs within the conservative camp. It beginning to sound like you're "using" her to swat off the liberal flies that bug you.
I'm going to start calling it "The Sarah Palin Defense"!!
CB;"Remember that one of Obama's bedfellows was a man by the name of William Ayers that bombed the Pentagon also".
When Barack Obama was 4 years old...
George Bush was in his twenties when he teamed up with the same Suadi family who's kin folks flew planes into the Twin Towers killing over 3000 Americans!
Thats 3000 dead Americans for Bush's buddies, and ZERO dead Americans for Obama buddies!
p allen "BULLS#%T!!!! You drastically need an "AMERICAN HISTORY" lesson Tyrone.More radical than every president before Lincoln who allowed and even owed SLAVES?"
Gee allen, do your fingers ever get cramped typing so much dribble? Some presidents did own slaves. I don't believe they were socialist, statists or Marxists in nature. Obama is the most radical based on his world view ideology allen. To calm you down, I say that he is the most radical present in a post slaver era, how about that?Now take a deep breath. lol
p allen "(But Obama attended a church with a racist black preacher for twenty years, one he doesn't attend any longer)"
Because Jeremiah Wright became a liability to Obama. That is the only reason why he doesn't attend Trinity United. Obama didn't leave Trinity when he was ran for the U.S Senate now did he allen?
p allen (but Obama attended a dinner at the home of a domestic terrorist "who was a terrorist when Obama was 4 years old, and whom the government never convicted)"
Aren't you judged by the company you keep allen? You always seem to have an excuse for Obama allen. Maybe he should hire you as the "Excuse Czar".
p allen "(while president, Obama "LOANED" domestic auto company's tax dollars to keep them from going under, which was something that had been done years before)"
Oh yeah, I guess you didn't hear the story from the network media. It is a strong likely that taxpayers won't be getting their money back on the GM Chrysler swindle.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aUSIL6EM5ons
p allen "President Obama has been in office for 8 months, but you and your conservative cohorts think he's the most "radical" in American history??
We don't think he is, we know he is by his own deeds allen. How many CZARS existed under Bush for two term, and how many CZARS have Obama created in just 8 months? How many Czars were in existence prior to Obama allen?
p allen "Tyrone, all politicians lie! We both know this. But no congressman has ever called the president a liar on the floor of the house. Yet NOW you deem it "ACCEPTABLE" to disrespect the office of the president???"
Hold on a sec. So you are admitting that Obama lied during his speech and about the opposition allen? So it really wasn't anything about what Joe Wilson said as being inaccurate in describing Obama as a liar, the left is just upset that he actually said during his speech?
p allen "There is some other reason that a congressman (and conservatives) deem it acceptable to disrespect the office of the president. HISTORY shows us that had NEVER been deemed necessary to do such a thing."
I told you before allen. That Obama had a "historic moment" when he was elected and when he was called a liar.
p allen "Can someone, anyone, give a "sound" and coherent reason for it now to be acceptable to call the president a liar from the floor of the congress, during an address to the American people and the congress?????"
You can't control the acts of a single person allen. Did all of the Republicans join in in calling him a liar allen? The answer is no. It was a single outburst and you are balling croc tears in the process.
CB;"I told you before allen. That Obama had a "historic moment" when he was elected and when he was called a liar".
HHmmmmmm?
President Obama's election is deemed "historic" because he is the first Black person ever elected as President of the United States.
HHHmmmmmmmmmm?
So, President Obama being the first president ever, being called a "LIAR" from the floor of the congress, is historic because....
HMMMMM!
He is the "first Black" ever elected to the presidency!!
Okay, I'll buy that! That makes sense because very clear-cut and simple lines can be drawn between, a "cause", the "opportunity" and "motive."
Historically most southern Whites did not allow nor want Blacks in politically elected positions, which gives Wilson "cause." Joe Wilson is an elected to Congress from South Carolina, a state were slaves fought and served with the British during The American Revolutionary War. Elected to Congress gives Wilson "opportunity."
Barack Obama is the first Black elected President of the United States, which gave Wilson a "motive" for his outburst never seen before in American history...It all makes sense!!!
Now tell me this, why does Joe Wilson hate the idea that the president is Black? Is it because most Black people don't vote Republican?
It very well could be the idea that Blacks statistically commit more crimes than Whites. It might be because Blacks are more apt to drop out of school. Perhaps it's the out-of-wedlock birth rates of Blacks in America.
Or, it could simply be because Joe Wilson doesn't like the idea of a Black president.
Therefore, I can now understand why Wilson doesn't like nor believe President Obama. Wilson probably thinks president Obama is just like the Blacks in the inner-cities...or maybe even worse!
Okay Tyrone, now I see your point. Honestly, it does make sense. I just wish Wilson would just say that instead of weak kneeing and cow-towing to the GOP.
Hey Conservatives, for years now you've complained about the "double standard" of Blacks calling each other Niggers. Perhaps this is your opportunity to use the term. Maybe next time ole' Joe will call President Obama a Nigger!!!
allen,
You fail to realize that most of the slave owners down south were southern DEMOCRATS. Slavery is a dark time in this nation's history without a doubt but, the framers purposefully built structures into the constitution to amend such learned mistakes as slavery. You left leaning individuals are so typical, drawing up the race card and are so tunnel vision stricken with your race blinders on that you fail to realize it's black conservatives that have made life better for those living today. Those like MLK Jr. People like Malcom X, Jeremiah Wright, Obama have provided a crutch and hindrance to the young blacks of today. Liberal ideals are designed to keep the downtrodden down, not pick them up and teach them self-reliance.
Veritas Aequitas;"allen,
You fail to realize that most of the slave owners down south were southern DEMOCRATS".
We've been down that road many times on this blog Veritas....
I think "every one" who knows a minimal amount of American history knows Southern Democrats were the slave owners. Conservative "talking point" blah, blah, blah. And because you have enlightened me with this "oh so pertinent" tid-bit of information, am I now supposed to vote Republican?
Was being a "Democrat" a requirement for owning a slave? Hell no! Any one who could buy a slave, could own a slave.
Secondly, slavery was an institution in America long before the formation of what we call the "two party system".
It was not until the late 1700's that America saw a more defining divide in political ideologies. Around that time Thomas Jefferson (who owned a large number of slaves) formed the "Democratic-Republican Party", with their political opponents being the "Federalist."
What you "fail to realize" Veritas is that (as history has shown) political attitudes, platforms, and ideology does change, has change and will change over time.
The present Democratic political platform supports "Affirmation Action" programs. Good luck finding a Southern Democratic political platform of the Jim Crow era that supported anything even vaguely similar.
In actuality A.A. has been endorsed and supported by Democrats and Republicans alike. It has only been the input of the "conservatives" that has attempted to demonize the practice.
Just 50 years ago, or so, the vast majority of Southern States voted for Democratic presidential candidates. In this last election what happened to those "Southern Democrats"?? Oh yeah, that's right....they voted REPUBLICAN!
The fact is, who knows what the political party's, and politics in general will look like 50 to 100 years from now.
Tyrone Channel #45 had a program about Health Care and showed Dr.en Carson who is against the Health Care program of Obama.
allen,
I am aware that there were many political ideals at the founding of this country. Whigs, Federalists, Greenbacks, Nullifiers, Libety partists, etc. There is a litany of Past political parties. But, The people that want to drum up the race card constantly are the Democrats whom were a large deterrent in reaching emancipation leading to the Civil War. I am an independent conservative. I never had faith in the Republican party to promote True conservative ideals so I became an Independent straight out of high school and have been so ever since. I digress, you are the one insinuating that Wilson is racist by placing in your response to CB questions that obviously point to the fact that you believe racism to be the culprit for his outburst. While I do not agree with it being done in that forum, those who are berating the congressman for his actions were guilty during the eight years of Bush. I was very involved and critical of the past President during his last four years and saw plenty of Anti-Bush propaganda being thrust upon the American people, both by the media, Hollywood, and Congress. I truly believe that Wilson was caught up in the moment and let his emotions overwhelm him for that split second, pushing his better judgment aside in order to escape. Anyone who has sat down and read the bill (which I have done so 3 times already) would have wanted to do the same thing given the opportunity. The sections in which have been cited previously here and in other places support none of the President's rhetoric. Therefore, he is lying. Oops I said he's a liar, OK he's fudging facts, spewing rhetoric of disinformation. That sounds more PC. The President and members of Congress took an oath to DEFEND the CONSTITUTION and abide by it. The government is growing too large and way to quickly and has been since the 1930's. The US wasn't built on appeasement and tyrants. It was built on the blood, sweat, and tears of patriots, and the blood of those tyrants whom opposed freedom for ALL. All that I can assure you about political parties 50-100 years from now is they will exist, and we sure as hell won't permit the foundation of hard Socialist principles in this country.
p allen quoting me "CB;"I told you before allen. That Obama had a "historic moment" when he was elected and when he was called a liar".
p "allen"HHmmmmmm?
I can't believe I have to explain this but I will. You are all bent out of shap because Wilson said Obama lied right allen? You said that no president has ever been called out for telling a lie right alln? This was a historic occasion then was it not? Historic events aren't always the ones you appreciate allen. That is what I meant. I know you've heard the expression "first time for everything" right?
p allen "President Obama's election is deemed "historic" because he is the first Black person ever elected as President of the United States."
A president being called out for lying was a historic event. That is all I'm saying allen.
p allen "So, President Obama being the first president ever, being called a "LIAR" from the floor of the congress, is historic because....HMMMMM!
It is historic, because it was the first time it happened allen.
p allen "He is the "first Black" ever elected to the presidency!!Okay, I'll buy that! That makes sense because very clear-cut and simple lines can be drawn between, a "cause", the "opportunity" and "motive."
The reality is that if Obama wasn't telling whoppers, he wouldn't have been exposed.
p allen "Historically most southern Whites did not allow nor want Blacks in politically elected positions, which gives Wilson "cause." Joe Wilson is an elected to Congress from South Carolina, a state were slaves fought and served with the British during The American Revolutionary War. Elected to Congress gives Wilson "opportunity."
Typical liberal allen, your just like Maureen Dowd. You can't address that fact that Obama was lying. This has nothing to do with Wilson. In your irrelevant spew about South Carolina, you also forgot to mention that South Carolina voted for a black man over a white woman in the Democrat Primaries. Funny how that isn't being brought up.
p allen "Barack Obama is the first Black elected President of the United States, which gave Wilson a "motive" for his outburst never seen before in American history...It all makes sense!!!"
Talk about racial conspiracy theories allen.lol You guys are beyond oversensitive. If Wilson was trying so hard to make defiant stand against Obama, he wouldn't have apologized for doing so. Let's use racial insanity thinking for a moment allen. Think how it would look for Wilson that he had to call and apologize to a black man allen? Once again, your irrational and racial insanity makes no sense again.
p allen "Now tell me this, why does Joe Wilson hate the idea that the president is Black? Is it because most Black people don't vote Republican?"
When did Wilson say those words allen? Just post the quote allen. I heard him on Fox News Sunday saying that he respects the presidency and he wished he could have rephrased what he said another way. So turn your assumption in to fact allen.
p allen " It very well could be the idea that Blacks statistically commit more crimes than Whites. It might be because Blacks are more apt to drop out of school. Perhaps it's the out-of-wedlock birth rates of Blacks in America"
And this has to do with Obama lying about illegals getting health care how allen ? The problem with racial paranoia is that it usually lead way off the original topic.
p allen "Or, it could simply be because Joe Wilson doesn't like the idea of a Black president.Therefore, I can now understand why Wilson doesn't like nor believe President Obama. Wilson probably thinks president Obama is just like the Blacks in the inner-cities...or maybe even worse!
I've called Obama a hell of a lot worse names then stating that he lied. Does that mean I hate black people too allen? This is why racial insanity should never be mistaken for rational thought.
p allen "Okay Tyrone, now I see your point. Honestly, it does make sense. I just wish Wilson would just say that instead of weak kneeing and cow-towing to the GOP.Hey Conservatives, for years now you've complained about the "double standard" of Blacks calling each other Niggers. Perhaps this is your opportunity to use the term. Maybe next time ole' Joe will call President Obama a Nigger!!!"
No more sniffing magic markers for you allen. Joe Wilson didn't call Obama a "Nigger" he just said that he "lied" about something he said. This warped way of thinking is no different then whn liberals said Rush Limbaugh is "racist" because he wants Obama's socialist policies to fail.
CB;"South Carolina voted for a black man over a white woman in the Democrat Primaries. Funny how that isn't being brought up".
Silly boy... Why bring up what's totally irrelevant! For one, the Black man won the Democratic Primary with "Democrat votes." How many Confederate flag waving Republicans you think voted for the Black man? For two, the state of South Carolina was won by the Republican candidate.
CB;"Does that mean I hate black people too allen?.
Tyrone, you're Black, why would you hate Black people? Hating Black people would kind of be like, aaahh... hating yourself? But if you do, I know a very good psychologist....
CB;"You can't address that fact that Obama was lying. This has nothing to do with Wilson".
Ohhh contraire' my dear fellow! This has "everything" to do with Joe Wilson!!
It appears that Mr. Wilson has voted for giving government funds (you tax dollars)and direct payments to hospitals who treat...guess who?? That's right, ILLEGAL ALIENS!!!
Now Mr. Wilson and his supporters, of course are going to claim "ignorance" on what was in the bill because Mr. Wilson didn't read the bill.
But if he does make that claim, it's would be conceding the fact that in 2003 tax payer medical assistance for illegal's was not a major concern for Wilson. After all like H.R. 3200, the MEDICARE PRESCRIPTION DRUG, IMPROVEMENT AND MODERNIZATION ACT OF 2003 "is a government health care program."
Yet, Wilson was so overcome with passion and rage in believing that H.R. 3200 would allow illegals health care that he called the president a lie to his face.
Wilson voted for a bill that "explicitly" gives $250 million dollars of your taxes to treat illegal aliens. But, Wilson says the president is lying even though H.R. 3200 "explicitly" states it will not afford illegals any federal tax dollars.
Lets say Wilson did not know what he was voting for in 2003. Even if you grant him that, why in 2009 would he scrutinize a health bill by President Obama to single out illegal aliens? This man called the president a lie, because the president said illegals would not be covered. If illegals receiving tax funded health care is such an important issue to him, why didn't he scrutinize the 2003 Health Care bill?
Joe Wilson's passion's momentarily overtook him because he refuse's to respect a Black man in the office of the president. He stated himself he was forced to apologize. His apology was basically to "the office", not "the man"...the Black man! Joe Wilson would never have done what he did on the floor of congress if President Obama was White!
Tyrone, it's not a "sickness" to have suspicions of anti-racial animosity. Nor is it wise, or sound minded to always suspect that it's present. That being said...
It indeed is a "sickness" not to realize, or refuse to accept the "facts", when racial animus is truly in play. Nor is it wise or sound minded to believe that it could never be present...
Look at the "facts" Tyrone. Mind you, I had my suspicions about Joe Wilson from the start, because I had never heard someone shout "LIAR" from the floor of the house.
Wilson voted "for" what he now claims that he is vehemently against. Tyrone, if you caught me, or any other so-called liberal saying or doing the same, you would be all over them!
Your sickness is that you refuse to face the "facts"!
Veritas, I fully understand your concerns as it pertains to your idea's and beliefs that President Obama has some kind of hidden socialist agenda... I understand it completely. However, what you must understand is that I DON'T BELIEVE IT!
If you happen to have read any of my previous post's, you will find that I was no fan of George W. Bush. I believe he LIED to take the country to war in Iraq. Yet, that (and his proven ruining economic policies and other social policies) is the extent of my negative judgements against that particular president of the United States.
It would be quite easy for me to have "jumped on board" with the conspiracy theorist who claim that the Bush administration was behind 911, and other whacked out nonsense. But I'm not so strung out over political ideology that I would believe that the president of the U.S. could, or would have the "intent" to destroy the political, economic and social fabric of this country.
What conservatives have done, is convinced themselves that President Obama is a "devil" (so to speak) in disquise. Beliefs of Marxist policies, indoctrination of school children, Nazi styled interment camps, death panels...the list goes on and on.
Answer this question. What policy has President Obama suggested or implemented that has not be either suggested or attempted by past presidents of the U.S.? Frankly, I can't think of one!!
However, this is the first time in my lifetime that I seen a "mass movement" (concocted by the opposing conservative politicals) that have attacked and branded the President of the United States as a "Marxist, Socialist, Communist, Nazi, Muslim, Racist"!
In the 1940's & 50's you had your McCarthy's and your Red Scare. You even had Executive Order 9835 (aka, The Loyalty Order) who's purpose was to root out communist in the government! Being a level headed individual, I see it for what it really is....political attack tactics, wrapped in a package to cause fear. For the most part, that is what's occuring. The "racist" just see a way to get in to the fight, so they've jumped on board.
My point is America has seen all of this craziness before. All the players in this round of idiocy are basically of the same ilk (eg. "conservatives"), only this time it's taken on a new face, with a slightly different angle.
As for Jowe Wilson, take a look at what he voted for in 2003. A bill that explicitly give money to hospitals that treat illegals. Why wasn't he screaming "LIAR" then?
Ahh-Sooooo....
Just noticed something here. You wouldn't happen to be the same "Veritas" of Veritas Visuals, would you?
If that's you in the video, with the fur vest, snap hat and shades, did you learn your "pimp style & stride" from an old "Huggy Bear" episode from Starsky & Hutch? Or was it from the HBO documentary, "Pimps Up and Hoes Down?"
The same Veritas (aka James O'Keefe) behind the "aborting Black babies scam" played on Planned Parenthood?
Veritas; "Those like MLK Jr. People like Malcom X, Jeremiah Wright, Obama have provided a crutch and hindrance to the young blacks of today. Liberal ideals are designed to keep the downtrodden down, not pick them up and teach them self-reliance".
Who would know better, on what's keeping those "downtrodden" Blacks from being "all they could be", than a White guy who plays scams on them!!
I'm going to Appalachia and the Ozarks and tell those hillbillies, "it's people like Jerry Fallwell, Hank Williams, Bob Barr and Dolly Parton keeps them downtrodden and backwards."
Yet, the shame of your statement is that....you don't even realize how condescending you are!
The purpose of a scam of this nature is NOT to "help" the people your scamming. The purpose of your scam was to expose, trap and possibly eliminate what you don't like. It's obvious that the ACORN office you went to was run by "scam" artists. But you went in and "scammed" the scammers! In every book ever written, that makes you no better than they are...
You're pretending to go after ACORN because you think ACORN is keeping Blacks from being self-reliant?? I don't live in Baltimore, but I'm willing to bet you that you could have found a drug house within a "one block" radius of the ACORN office. That one drug house (probably selling crack cocaine "GROWN IN HONDURAS") could destroy 100 times as many Black lives than Acorn ever could.
I see it done here in Detroit all the time. The Fed's or the local authorities send in undercover operatives into drug houses, or places of illegal activity. They bust them up, throw the perpetrators in jail, only to have the same sprout up weeks, days or even hours later.
How about going undercover and exposing how cocaine and heroine get's into the drug house around the corner from the ACORN office...
"MLK Jr. People like Malcom X, Jeremiah Wright, Obama" might not be "your" pick of who Blacks should place their aspirations. Frankly, to the young Blacks I instruct, I promote the image of any man, woman or child who succeeds within the "LEGAL" framework of American society. However, those men you've mentioned are no better, or no worse role models for young Blacks than (your obvious conservative picks) Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell or Michael Steele.
And guess what else Veritas? I don't have to scam anyone to make my point.
It's no wonder that you believe President Obama is a "scam artist." My father used to say; "It takes one, to know one"!
Allen please dont teach anymore. You are teaching pure hate of black who think for themselves. Malcolm X c alled Dr. King a Chrisdtian a house nigga, on tape on the internet, and I heard muslims do it in the day, and not one Muslims marched with us but enjoyed the benefits. Thomas Sowell and Clarence Thomas are just as great as the ones you like. But the ones you like destroyed the American black scene. Idi Amin would be your model. He was a big black red eyed nappy headed ugly man who had many wives and killed Christians.
Anon;"Allen please dont teach anymore. You are teaching pure hate of black who think for themselves"
-and this little ditty...
"Malcolm X c alled Dr. King a Chrisdtian a house nigga, on tape on the internet, and I heard muslims do it in the day, and not one Muslims marched with us but enjoyed the benefits".
Malcolm X never called, or communicated anything to Dr. King "on the internet." The "internet" (a.k.a., The World Wide Web) had not been created when either of them were alive.
Someone need's to "teach" you how to write a coherent sentence, and "teach" you how to use a spellchecker!
Oh no you didnt Allen.
The tape is on the internet. I heard it myself and I didnt need the internet.
You are not such a "good" guy as I thought but as radical as the slavers who told the Africans that they were going on a trip by water and sold them to white Europeans at the water's edge.
I thought you were intelligent enough to comprehend what I was saying, however, I realized the errors of my ways. Keep on teaching the misleading ideas and I will teach mine as I dont need books as I lived the horrors of black radical crap. I lived Jim Crow, segregation, integration and now humilitation from 'BLACK' misinformed MEN and women.
Allen I wish to thank you for you degradation of a black person who only saw you as a competent debater, filled with gusto and the ability to comment on the level the black men who walked the walk and talked the talk in the 1960s.
With men like you, the 13th amendment will be removed and blacks will return to slavery as they are in Africa as we write and men like you support it.
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