Barack Obama didn't want to be overshadowed by the legend in Berlin.
Leaders from around the world are in Berlin to celebrate the fall of the Berlin Wall which lead to the reunification between East and West Germany. One would think that the 20th anniversary would be an historic event worthy of the leader of the United States to attend. Barack Obama thought differently. It seems that the thoughts of a government run health care bill is more important to him then celebrating one of the greatest moments of freedom witnessed by the world. It goes deeper then that actually. In Obama's mind, everything has to revolve around him. Obama doesn't like to share the spotlight with anyone. Obama didn't want to go and celebrate on the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin wall simply, because the legacy of former President Ronald Reagan would overshadow Obama's presence. When people think of the falling of the Berlin Wall, they naturally think of Ronald Reagan. The falling of the Berlin Wall was one of President Reagan's greatest legacies. Barack Obama doesn't have a legacy. Schools have been renamed after Obama, children have been brainwashed to sing his praises, Obama was even awarded a Noble Peace Prize, but Obama knows deep down that he hasn't done nothing of merit to warrant any of his praise other then the fact that he is the first black person to be elected President of the United States. Let me put it another way. Ronald Reagan was praised based on his historic actions such as playing a major role in the collapse of the Berlin Wall and ending the Cold War with Russia. Obama is being praised based on the color of his skin. There is no comparison between the two. I know some people on the left are going to go rabbit once they read this. Great presidents are known for their deeds. Once again, it is what it is. Obama didn't want to go to Germany and be reminded that he isn't as great or historic as his supporters have made him out to be. Speaking of historic, here's the words from a man who became a legend on the world stage based on his actual deeds.
It's amazing what words can accomplish when they come from a strong leader.
If President Ronald Reagan was alive today to hear Barack Obama speak, I can imagine what he would tell him.
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 1:19 PM
21 Comments:
Ty
Reagan brought down the wall!
Russians and commies are putting the wall back up along with Obama and his commie czars.
Why is Obama not sending troops to Afghanistan? Wrong for muslims to kill muslims, but they can kill us.
See jihad Watch for al-qaeda's "shout out" to kill us last week just before Nidal killed at Ft. Hood.
CB- you hit this with pin point accuracy. The liberals have been trying to spin this for years by claiming that it was Gorby whom influenced the collapse.
What could Obama add to this event? Other than his own ego and self gratitude.
I would say that Reagan would stand at the steps of congress today and make the same speech, only directed at this administration.
Obama doesn't hold a candle Reagan.
Obama isn't even fit to polish Ronald Reagan's shoes.
If leftists find my comment to be racist they can bite me!
Obama is disgrace and there are other black folks who are more qualified than this Marxist impostor!
Almond he is an African Arab not a black american.
He is also an Islamomarxist from birth a marxist from 6-10 a Muslim and possibly until the 1970s when he went to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport under the name Barry Sotoero.
Of course I see this whole "Reagan brought down the wall" chant as what it really is...a bunch of malarkey!
You can give all the undue praise you want to your "messiah" Ronald Reagan. You probably can find a way to imply that he saved the world. Yet, all of your praises and grandiose delusions cannot change the facts!
By the time Reagan took office the Soviet bloc was years into economic stagnation. In addition, military Cold War spending and other spending commitments began to take it's toll.
By the time Mikhail Gorbachev came to power, the Soviets knew they could not compete technologically and economically. Thus they redirect the country's resources from costly Cold War military commitments to more profitable areas in the civilian sector.
It would not have mattered "who" was president at the time. The USSR was headed for collaspe, and did so.
You folks give Reagan to much undue credit...so much so it's ridiculous. In his final 3 years in office, Reagan was riddled with Alzheimers. Left to his own devices he was a babbling idiot. And don't leave out the facts that Reagan cared little about poor people, especially minorities, and was a homosexual.
bebe"Ty Reagan brought down the wall!
Russians and commies are putting the wall back up along with Obama and his commie czars."
I think I'm Going to to start referring to Obama's Czars as his "bizzaro czars". Because there is nothing normal about any of them.
bebe "Why is Obama not sending troops to Afghanistan? Wrong for muslims to kill muslims, but they can kill us."
It's rumored that he might send tens of thousands of more troops to Afghanistan. Then again, it could be an Obama fake out. This could be a trick to take people's attention of the socialist healthcare bill debate in the Senate. With Obama, he always has an underlying motive for everything he does.
GregGVDC" CB- you hit this with pin point accuracy. The liberals have been trying to spin this for years by claiming that it was Gorby whom influenced the collapse."
Oh course Greg, liberals are great at revisionist history. I'm not sure how many times Reagan's name came up at 20th anniversary yesterday. I'm sure it wasn't many. For the socialist euro crowd in invoke the name of Reagan would mean them having to admit that it was the strong leadership of a conservative made it all happen.
Almondtea "Obama doesn't hold a candle Reagan.
Obama isn't even fit to polish Ronald Reagan's shoes.
If leftists find my comment to be racist they can bite me!
Obama is disgrace and there are other black folks who are more qualified than this Marxist impostor!"
Obama definitely doesn't hold a candle to Reagan but he does hold a candle to Jimmy Carter very well almondtea.
You didn't say anything racist almondtea, liberals just can't dispute the truth. Liberals have to get emotional on issues they don't have facts to support their positions. It's just who they are and how they operate.
I wouldn't have mind Harold Ford from Tennessee being the first black president. Even though is his Democrat, he wouldn't have been no been this radical like Obama nor have had a radical upbring like Obama.
bebe "He is also an Islamomarxist from birth a marxist from 6-10 a Muslim and possibly until the 1970s when he went to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport under the name Barry Sotoero."
The left tries to smear and deflect attention way from Obama whenever the issue of his origins of birth comes into question. Them calling people "birthers" so weak, because them labeling people who brings up a valid question doesn't take away from the question. Why is Obama spending money to hide information if all the information is truthful and valid? The kooks can call me a birther until infinity, the question is still out there. Liberals have yet to give an answer to that question. Redirecting and then polarizing the people who ask the question is a defensive measure which shows they don't solid position in which to defend Obama's actions.
p allen "Of course I see this whole "Reagan brought down the wall" chant as what it really is...a bunch of malarkey!"
Yeah Allen, like Obama having schools renamed after Obama and kids made to sing songs in his honor is legit? lol get real.
p allen "You can give all the undue praise you want to your "messiah" Ronald Reagan. You probably can find a way to imply that he saved the world. Yet, all of your praises and grandiose delusions cannot change the facts!"
Reagan was one of the greatest presidents of the the last 30 years based on what he did allen not because of the color of his skin. Debate me and prove me wrong. I've said this many times, and your liberal pals still can't answer this question allen. I'll throw it to you. We all have seen the cult worship of Obama. Besides the color of Obama's skin and him being a liberals. What is difference between Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry and Al Gore? If you take race out of the equation, what makes Obama any different then the other liberals I've just mentioned that makes him worthy of all the praise that he gets? Take your time in answering allen.
p allen "By the time Reagan took office the Soviet bloc was years into economic stagnation. In addition, military Cold War spending and other spending commitments began to take it's toll.
So according to revisionist history as being presented by allen. Jimmy Carter weakened the Soviet bloc which made it possible for Reagan to come along and claim Carter's glory. ROFLMAO!!!!!
You are so entertaining allen. Never stop being who you are.lol So the years of Reagan policies had absolutely nothing to do with anything right allen? lol
p allen "
It would not have mattered "who" was president at the time. The USSR was headed for collaspe, and did so. "
Your logic is so bizarre, it's like saying that Obama is worthy of the Nobel Peace prize, because he is eventually going to do something that is going to make him worth of receiving it. It's just an advance.
p allen "You folks give Reagan to much undue credit...so much so it's ridiculous. In his final 3 years in office, Reagan was riddled with Alzheimers. Left to his own devices he was a babbling idiot. And don't leave out the facts that Reagan cared little about poor people, especially minorities, and was a homosexual."
We give Reagan to much credit!!!lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
Look in the mirror 25,000 times allen. You and the rest of your fellow tin foilers have given Obama more credit on everything even though he hasn't DONE NOTHING OF MERIT!! 10 OBAMA songs created FOR WHAT? Schools renamed after Obama FOR WHAT? A Nobel Prize award to Obama FOR WAT? And you are going to set there are talk about us giving Reagan too much credit? lol lol How many schools have been name after Ronald Reagan, can you name me one Reagan song sung by school children allen? Credit?lol lol whatever
If there is any doubt about Reagans legacy and what his policies did for this country, lets ask any liberal to articulate the tax policy that produced epic results to the GDP.
Reagan gets a bad rap from the left because he was anti-entitlement.
He believed, as i do that this country is great because of the American individual, not the government.
Those individuals included everyone from every ethnicity.
Reagan did not attend a church with a radical anti-american bigot! Call the minister his mentor!
Reagan did not associate with individuals that shared anti American terrorists, or pal around with race baiters whom live off of blaming everything on race.
Reagan was not perfect, but if we followed his economic ideas alone, this economy would be very different today. Before liberals get into the calling Clinton on economic praise, lets remember, its was Reagan Republicans in the house and senate, running things during Clinton.
CB;"So according to revisionist history as being presented by allen. Jimmy Carter weakened the Soviet bloc which made it possible for Reagan to come along and claim Carter's glory. ROFLMAO!!!!!".
What is it with you (and certain others here) conjuring up words and idea's that I haven't written nor implied??? I said nothing, nor did I imply one iota that Carter had anything to do with the breakup of the Soviet Union.
If you don't know something Tyrone, ask me, or do your own research....please don't just "make s%#t up"!!
The Soviet Unions economy was stagnant and collaspsing due to it's excessive military spending...period!! The Soviets had to catch up to the rising prosperity and high technology of Europe and North America.
If you think that is "revising history", prove what I stated is wrong! Prove it!
CB;"How many schools have been name after Ronald Reagan" .
That's how it done Tyrone! You're getting to be a better student. If there's something you don't know...just ask!
There are several schools named after your "messiah." Here's a few!
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CB;"can you name me one Reagan song sung by school children allen?.
Well... maybe not school children, but there are quite a few songs written about Reagan.
Greg;"Reagan did not attend a church with a radical anti-american bigot!.
Reagan historian and author of "Ronald Reagan: Fate, Freedom, and the Making of History", wrote that;
"President Reagan almost never left the White House to go to church, and he seldom invited a chaplain in to give services (though he attended church occasionally upon leaving office)"
Some in the Reagan administration say that he "never" went to church while he was president.
Also it's well known that Nancy Reagan consulted physics and astrologers.
Okay...let's be fair... Rev. Wright see's the world through the eye's of racist radical tensions that once existed in his life. He's hung up on it. Rev. Wright passed his idea's onto Barack and Michelle.
Joan Quigley (Ron and Nancy's astrologer) see's life through the alignment of the stars and unknown beings existing in other dimensions, for which the seek guidance of the unknown spirit. Admittedly, they're not seeking a religious deity, but something mystical and supernatural. these idea's were passed on to Ron and Nancy!
Take your pick... racist idea's from the past, or fantasy from the cosmos...
Greg;"Reagan was not perfect, but if we followed his economic ideas alone, this economy would be very different today".
Puh-leeeezzzz! The 1981 recession was nearly a year old before Reagan said that the economy was in his words, "a slight recession." Trickle down and Reagan's voo-doo economics never worked. The economy did not began to improve until Reagan was forced by the 1982 mid-term election referendum against his policies, and the lowering of interest rates.
In addition, don't forget that Reagan also agreed to a $100 billion corporate tax hike also in 1982...
historically speaking, p. anthony allen is correct, although one might disagree with his choice of words.
one does not have to lie/revise history in order to score points.
PAA and NP,
All liberals look at the Reagan years with disdain. They want to "dispel" the notion that a Conservative did good things for this country without creating entitlements or growing the government.
Check out this website: Reaganomics
It has the pros and cons of the Reagan economic policies - based on the facts.
Reagan's record includes sweeping economic reforms and deep across-the-board tax cuts, market deregulation, and sound monetary policies to contain inflation. His policies resulted in the largest peacetime economic boom in American history and nearly 35 million more jobs. As the Joint Economic Committee reported in April 2000.
Im sure you find the data to back this, its all over the internet.
There is a significant difference in going to a radical church that spews hate on whites and jews, as well as anti-American rhetoric, and practicing personal spirituality as Nancy did or did not.
PA Said-Okay...let's be fair... Rev. Wright see's the world through the eye's of racist radical tensions that once existed in his life. He's hung up on it. Rev. Wright passed his idea's onto Barack and Michelle.
You are right about the ideas passed on. What does that say about our President?
You noted Nancy and cosmos, yet we are talking about Ronald, not Nancy. Reagan never let his beliefs, what ever they were influence his policies, cant say the same about BO.
I pick cosmos, its not as painful and degrading to human beings as being a racist hatemonger.
Show me raw numbers proving that Reagans economy was a bust, and we will compare them to factual data results gathered from several economist, liberal and conservative.
If space on comments will alow it, i have it ready, ill bring the chinstrap to keep the jaw from hitting the floor. Youll be fine my freind.
Frank, I've seen that debate poll before. The points they've laid out are very accurate and fair. However there are certain statistics they could not explain, or chose not to explain. One fact in particular is this;
"According to the Statistical Abstract of the United States for 1996, the number of people (white, black, and Hispanic) below the poverty level increased in almost every year between 1981 (31.8 million) and 1992 (39.3 million)".
It proves that the poor, of all races, are getting "poorer."
Again, to be fair, all of the economic woe's or the successes can't and should not be placed at the feet of Reagan. The fact is, when looking at the business cycle for an extended amount of previous years political spin doctors can prove anything they want to prove. All they need do is choose the most convenient comparison dates and then indulge the senses with clever rhetoric.
My point is simple...Reagans policies were not helpful in steering the U.S. economy post his presidency. If you believe his policies were, then it would be easy to blame him for the economic problems we currently have!
Greg;"There is a significant difference in going to a radical church that spews hate on whites and jews, as well as anti-American rhetoric, and practicing personal spirituality as Nancy did or did not".
As Nancy did or did not???? AAhhhh...Greg... Did you, or did you not... READ THE ARTICLE I POSTED THE LINK TO???
The article is not a statistical analysis of data compiled by scholars and researchers attempting to prove the effects of non-digested egg salad... IT'S AN INTERVIEW PIECE!
Writer and interview credits;
-By Joyce Wadler, with Angela Blessing in Los Angeles, Dirk Mathison in San Francisco, and Margie Bonnett Sellinger in Washington-
So if you wish to claim that these writers "made the stories up", just say that!! Thus, there will no need to go on further, because you don't believe Ron And Nancy confided in physics. (even though the rest of the world, including myself, knows it's true)
Greg;"You noted Nancy and cosmos, yet we are talking about Ronald, not Nancy. Reagan never let his beliefs, what ever they were influence his policies, cant say the same about BO".
Read the article Greg... Look at the pictures included in the article....
This is from the article. It explains what White house chief of staff, Donald Regan wrote about "THE REAGAN'S"
Donald Regan. In his just-published book, For the Record, Regan spilled what he insisted was "the most closely guarded domestic secret of the Reagan White House." To wit: "Virtually every major move and decision the Reagans made during my time as White House Chief of Staff was cleared in advance with a woman in San Francisco who drew up horoscopes to make certain that the planets were in a favorable alignment for the enterprise." Within hours, an avid press had zeroed in on Quigley as the mystery adviser".
Greg;"I pick cosmos, its not as painful and degrading to human beings as being a racist hatemonger".
You know something Greg...? That sound's awful strange. Are you hiding something here??
If you're not hiding something then this is your task.
FIND AND POST WHERE SENATOR, OR PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA MADE RACIST HATE MONGERING STATEMENTS.
You claim you would prefer a soothsayer advising the president, that's all well and good, because it HAPPENED! No tell me when did Barack Obama make racist hate mongering statements? YOU SAID IT ,YOU PROVE IT!
Greg;"Show me raw numbers proving that Reagans economy was a bust, and we will compare them to factual data results gathered from several economist, liberal and conservative".
Like I stated in my previous post, when looking at the business cycle for an extended amount of previous years, political spin doctors can prove anything they want to prove. All they need do is choose the most convenient comparison dates and then indulge the senses with clever rhetoric.
Click on the link to the "Reaganomics" web page that Frank posted. It show's a very fair and factual account of Reagan's policies, and their effects on the U.S. economy.
Greg;"If space on comments will alow it, i have it ready, ill bring the chinstrap to keep the jaw from hitting the floor. Youll be fine my freind".
Save your note's, comments and your chin strap Greg. No one catches the brass ring in economic policy debates. Moreover, Reaganomics have been "spun" on much better built merry-go-rounds than the one you're riding...
Allen,
It's still a matter of political and economic view. You'll never convince conservatives that Reagan's economic policies were bad for this country. Conversely, we'll never convince liberals and progressives that Reagan's economic policies were good for this country. You cited a statistic about the poor. It didn't show that the poor got even more poor, it showed that more people fell below the poverty level during that period cited.
Here are 2 of the most telling Pros from the debate:
1. When Reagan took office in 1981, the unemployment rate was 7.6 percent. In the recession of 1981-82, that rate peaked at 9.7 percent, but it fell continuously for the next seven years. When Reagan left office, the unemployment rate was 5.5 percent.
2. Real median family income grew by $4,000 during the Reagan period after experiencing no growth in the pre-Reagan years; it experienced a loss of almost $1,500 in the post-Reagan years.
Frank;"You'll never convince conservatives that Reagan's economic policies were bad for this country. Conversely, we'll never convince liberals and progressives that Reagan's economic policies were good for this country".
Very true... I guess we both just like to argue...(lol)
Here is a "FACT" that's most telling in this debate!
"Reagan put together legislation that cut government expenditures by $40 billion and created a three year tax cut plan for individual and corporate income taxes. The tax cut was the largest in history and was expected to jump start the economy. However, after the bills passed in the summer of 1981, the country fell into the worst recession since the Great Depression".
As for your "pro" you listed as number one, we both know recessions come and recessions go. As the economy begins to bounce back, you'll see employment grow...that's simply how it works. Reagan was president at the time, soooo... what the heck! We'll give him credit for it!
As for your number two listed "pro." Let's look at what Median Household Income really means. Read it. It's not that long of an article.
Now you can see how "Median Household (or family) Income" can be effected by several factors or variables.
That statistic can change dramatically with something as simple as a single mother on welfare with children under 15 years of age, getting married to someone that makes $4000.00 more than what she received on welfare. For a family of 5, going from a 15k to a 19k annual income, even in a 1980's economy, wouldn't have made them "worry free" from the bill collectors.
As the article says;
"When we analyze household-level data that combines different types of households, we must take into account changing household structures. Shifts in the number of household earners can significantly impact median household statistics, and failure to take this into account can create a distorted picture of income distribution".
aLLEN REMEMBER WHAT HE SAID ABOUT HIS WHITE GRANDMOTHER! That was racist. The average white woman routine.
I admire you CB ... I can't even read PAA posts anymore ... I swore off of them when he used the "C" word in a response to me. Huge concern since PAA is, unfortunately, in the education arena. However, you do a slam dunk everytime and for that I applaud you ... actually, I just applaud you ... CB you are on target ... keep it up!
Hi,
I like this article but..
Can someone tell me about Barack Obama..
I know that he is a serious candidate for '08, but I would like to know where he stands on the issues. I checked his site but nowhere can I find the info. i am looking for.
so please tell me...
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