Special Election recap Part 2: Gay Marriage goes down in flames in liberal Maine.
Maine is apart of the liberal northeast corridor of states. Maine is the home of U.S Senator and liberal Republican Olympia Snows. Something happened in Maine last night that can't be explained away by liberal news commentators or liberals in general. Yesterday in Maine,voters went to the polls to vote on a bill that would repeal a law that would have allowed gays to marry. Maine isn't a southern state. Evangelical Christians aren't a force in the state of Maine. Like I said before, Maine is a very liberal state. Gay Marriage in a liberal state like Maine should have been like the combination of peanut butter and jelly right? Things aren't what they always appear to be. The people of Maine in no uncertain words told their elected officials and the Governor that "Marriage is a union between one man and one woman". 53% of the residents voted in favor of supporting the state law to override the pending gay marriage bill and 47% voted against the bill. That is a 6% margin of victory. I love it how ABC News had to report it as a "narrow win" in their headline. This is a huge win for conservative values. The national polls show that more people identify themselves as conservative by a 2 to 1 margin over those who identify themselves as liberal. This is an interesting fact about liberal states that have laws allowing gay marriage. All of those states that have gay marriage laws were passed through the courts or by the legislators. None of them were passed, because they were on the ballots to allow the people to vote on. In the liberal state of California, Prop 8 was passed by the people which amended their constitution to define a marriage as being between a man and a woman. Liberal pundits are saying that because Chris Christie and Bob McDonnell didn't bring up social issues during their campaigns, it must mean that social conservatism is dead and that the GOP must get away from social issues if they want to win elections. The results from Maine says something completely different. Liberals are such idiots. The reason why Christy and McDonnell didn't make social issues the cornerstones of their campaign is obvious. The number one core issue that is on the minds of most Americans is economy. People have priorities in life, and job creation is their number one concern right now. So once again, liberals who claim to be the smartest people in the room come up looking stupid yet again. With the victory for traditional marriage in Maine, challenges by citizens supporting tradition marriage may not be so far off in other states that have passed laws legalizing it. The winner in Maine goes to Traditional Marriage under the umbrella of Social Conservatism.
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 11:35 AM
52 Comments:
I guess a majority of People in this country don't support the perversion that is gay marriage including some liberals.
I can see a lot of Gay Rights crusaders now throwing a hissy fit!
Can gays sue God for not making them able to reproduce with each other. male with male or female with female. They support Islam which says kill them but Christianity never said kill them.
A Muslim put a gay clouple out of his cab in NYC today for kissing in his cab.
Almondtea "I guess a majority of People in this country don't support the perversion that is gay marriage including some liberals."
I believe most don't either. Two liberal states one year apart says no to gay marriage is a clear signal.
Almondtea "I can see a lot of Gay Rights crusaders now throwing a hissy fit!"
They can only blame their neighbors in Maine for their huge setback almondtea. Gays can't use the overplayed excuse that the rightwing prevented them from marrying.
bebe "Can gays sue God for not making them able to reproduce with each other. male with male or female with female. They support Islam which says kill them but Christianity never said kill them.
A Muslim put a gay clouple out of his cab in NYC today for kissing in his cab."
If God wanted homosexuality to be normal, he would have made so that people are attracted to the same sex. You're right bebe, everything in this world was laid out in a certain way for a reason. The biological process of reproduction through the relationship between a man and a woman is really all the proof that is needed that heterosexuality is how it wasn't to be from day one. When I see whack groups like Catholics for Equal Rights. I know these people must have never picked a copy of the bible and read Genesis.
Tyrone I wish they would leave the Bible aslone. Rev 3:16 says God would vomit them out of his mouth. If the dont want to obey the rules just go away like atheist do. I respect them more.
Muslims say gay men are forgiven but gay women must die sura 4:15,16
Bible said it is wrong, that's all.
Romans 1:24
pedophilia is acceptable in Islam sura 65:4
See pictures of Imams kissing young boys like Prophet Muhammad sucked tongues of boys and birls in Arabia and screwed a little girl of 6. She was his adopted brother's daughter.-incest. He was slick and said allah approved.
Gay Marriage has never won in an election. It has been voted on in 31 states. In all 31 elections it lost. That means it has been rejected 31 out of 31 times. This means that nowhere in the country, even in Liberal California and Maine has Gay Marriage been accepted by the people. Marriage is between a man and a woman. End of story.
The largest gay organization in the world is al-Fathiha, Muslims. Amazing isnt it. Muslims did NAMBLA first in the 7th century
Muslims created Evolution-called blacks animals.- hadiths bukhari
Women can be beaten 4:34-allah's word
blacks are cursed and whites are blessed quran 3:106
Obama said he would defend Islam which means he defend slavery or sharia Laws. 2 Muslim white women in the white house now wanting sharia Law.
Judges 19:24-25: "Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go."
The bible preaches just as much evil as the Islamic book, but christians have a habit of picking and choosing. This passage is very relevant to this topic, actually, because it's a father offering his daughter to a mob to be raped instead of them raping another man...
Just saying; christians don't have any high ground to be looking down their noses at other groups of people. Ever, really.
Oh, and Deuteronomy says that if a man is caught raping a woman, he has to pay the woman's father 50 silver pieces, then marry her. What kind of a lunatic would make a rape victim marry their victim?! Answer? Your God.
Stop being ignorant and fighting against the rights of other people. It's just sickening to see anyone stomp on other people's liberties, especially when the people doing the stomping should know better.
How long ago was it that black people weren't allowed to vote? That you counted as less than a whole person? We've come a long way from that, huh? Now that you're not considered to be half a person, you're really going to try to get another minority treated as half a person?
It's sickening, and you should be ashamed of yourself.
I know you'll never allow this to be published, because you're afraid of an opposing viewpoint. I just wanted you to know that I find you repulsive. It's a safe bet that you're opposed to racism, but you're perfectly happy with another hate crime.
Hypocrisy doesn't look good on anyone.
Josh Johnson, of Egodriven.net
josh "The bible preaches just as much evil as the Islamic book, but christians have a habit of picking and choosing. This passage is very relevant to this topic, actually, because it's a father offering his daughter to a mob to be raped instead of them raping another man..."
If that is the case then Josh, why aren't Christians killing non believers in the name of Jesus Christ then genius? Furthermore, why do Christians pray for their enemies and "turn the other cheek" unlike Muslims? I'm still waiting for the first Christian suicide bombing story to come across the newswires. Quoting scripture doesn't prove anything. Do you even have a clue to the purpose of the New Testament?
josh "Just saying; Christians don't have any high ground to be looking down their noses at other groups of people. Ever, really.
Christians don't josh, maybe you should understand what Christianity is all about before talking out of your rear end like you are dong right now. Have you ever heard the term "love the sinner but hate the sin". Christians are normally humble people. I'm not going to make this a religious thread, Christians know they are sinners, therefore they don't hold themselves up as being better then anyone else. You need to actually read the bible instead of cherry picking quotes to make an incoherent statement Josh.
Josh "Stop being ignorant and fighting against the rights of other people."
Who's rights am I fighting against exactly josh? I'm not fighting against people's right to marry members of the opposite sex. I'm all for it. Every man and woman has that right the last time I checked. There is a difference between EQUAL RIGHTS and SPECIAL RIGHTS. Try and educate yourself in the difference between the two.
Josh "It's just sickening to see anyone stomp on other people's liberties, especially when the people doing the stomping should know better."
If your sick, do you need some asprin josh? You might have the flu. You should really check yourself out. As for liberties. Granting special rights isn't about liberties to the people as a whole josh. Don't play stupid.
Josh "How long ago was it that black people weren't allowed to vote? That you counted as less than a whole person? We've come a long way from that, huh? Now that you're not considered to be half a person, you're really going to try to get another minority treated as half a person?"
Since I don't think on the lines of skin shade. You just struck a huge road block invoking race into your frail argument Josh. Besides. most blacks don't support gay "marriage" either. Gays never had police dogs attacking them. Gays never had to go to segregated facilities, Gays never had to eat at gay only lunch counters. Gays never had to sit at the back of buses. Gays were never hung. Gays never had their houses fire bombed. So trying to pimp a ride on the coat tales of the black civil rights movement is just a pitiful and desperate attempt by gays who can't defend their own supposed cause on ITS OWN MERIT.
jsoh "It's sickening, and you should be ashamed of yourself."
No josh, people like you should be ashamed of yourselves for trying to exploit a movement that had nothing to do with homosexuality. When gays have gone through what blacks have then we'll talk about "civil rights" josh.
josh "I know you'll never allow this to be published, because you're afraid of an opposing viewpoint."
I should have posted this first. Baiting me doesn't make me post what someone writes. I posted your comments so the readers can see how weak gay marriage supporters are in their inability to make the case for it. Thanks for the entertainment josh.
josh "I just wanted you to know that I find you repulsive. It's a safe bet that you're opposed to racism, but you're perfectly happy with another hate crime."
Thank you for telling me that Josh. I'll try next time to make you have vile contempt of me ok? I will give me something to stride for. ;-) Also, educate yourself on the difference between race and sexual preferences josh. You might want to check out your nearest Barnes & Noble or Border Bookstores for reference materials.
Josh wrong. The OT is not for Christians but for Jews.
I see how you all use that but there was no christianity until 33 CE after Jesus died.
Jesus was not around so there was no Christianity. Muslims always use that stuff. Wont work. Jesus died in 33 Ce and Christianity could not be possible without his death.
tURNING THE OTHER CHEEK ONLY MEANT WHEN TALKING ABOUT THE GOSPEL. iF A PERSON DOESNT WANT TO HEAR IT WALK AWAY. jESUS SAID DEFEND YOUR PERSONAL SELF, NOT FORCE A PERSON TO ACCEPT THE GOSPEL. jESUS TOLD pETER TO TAKE A SWORD TO DEFEND HIMSELF PERSONALLY.
Thank you Tyrone.
Gyas try to equate gay life with being black. I had no choice but they did. BIG DIFFERENCE.
JOSH GAYS ARE MUTE. i SAW WHITE GAYS REFUSE TO ALLOW BLACK GAYS INSIDE A CLUB. OK THAT MAKES PASSING A GOOD THING LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
Brother, gay people ARE the last civil rights movement. If you can't see the similarities, then you're blind.
Gay people HAVE been hung for being gay. Gay people DO have to go to segregated facilities if they want to worship your God. Gay people ARE kicked out of public places on a daily basis the second they hold hands.
"Special rights"? Alright, you're an idiot. Seriously, you're using the exact same arguments people used to use against black people, and the fact that you can't see that is just sad.
How do you feel about inter-racial marriage? Just last month a judge denied a couple a marriage license based on that... Is that OK with you?
All people are the same. Discriminating against people based on their sexual preference is just as bad as discriminating against them based on skintone. If you don't see that, then I pity you.
Thanks for the entertainment, bigot.
Josp we are not the same. Are all animals dogs or even more special white dogs.nooooooooooooo.
I am so glad God created so many colors, etc.
Do you have a womb, hurt everymonth, push a baby out of your body. I use my anus to expire waste. I have two cavities, really three. anal, oral, vaginal.
Bible said do as you please, just that he would vomit you and other deliberate sinners out of his mouth, Rev. 3:16
If I cant fornicate neither can you. I am not a member of Christendom, ok so dont go there.
Muslims hang all gays in Islam. In Arabia this week a beheading will take place and yet no gays say a word like NOW and women beaten in Islam and Blacks say nothing about Sharia slavery which we had since 1619-the first black slave to America at Jamestown.
I dont care if you prefer the anus, just dont flaunt it. I dont go around telling people i love men. Good grief. that's your business. ok. Just dont tell me blackness equals being gay. the largest gasy group is Al-Fathita
NAMBLA and jail.
Interracial marriage wow
We have had interracial sex forever looooooooooool.
The judge resigned. All those mixed kids down there. Obama a mixed child is the zPres of America, not too bad.
My grand was white, ok and I had plenty white, asian relatives and reunions were great. We had gay relatives also, we told them just stay away from the boys. Fair. They knew they would get their butts beaten real bad.
Gays call us birthers and now you call us bigots because we dont want to sex the butt. Man you got to be insane. You can screw animals if you want, Washington
State allows it and so does Islam.
I dont like beastality am I a bigot? If you dont like sex with animals you are a bigot!
I'm honestly not sure who's more ignorant: The guy comparing gay sex with beastiality and pedophilia, or the guy who "moderates" thinking it's a valid point.
Seriously, forget everything I said. Keep talking like you are now. Nothing is going to send conservatives and republicans even farther into the fringe faster than you guys openly talking about how gay people like screwing animals, and every "queer" is after little boys. Bravo.
I can see why you consider this a breeding ground for intellectuals. Keep up the good work.
josh "Brother, gay people ARE the last civil rights movement. If you can't see the similarities, then you're blind."
You obviously haven't looked up the definition of the term "civil rights. Let me help you on that josh.
-the rights to full legal, social, and economic equality extended to blacks.
josh "Gay people HAVE been hung for being gay. Gay people DO have to go to segregated facilities if they want to worship your God. Gay people ARE kicked out of public places on a daily basis the second they hold hands."
Oh my, that really compares to what blacks went through. lol Keep up the amusement factor there. I don't tell anyone to worship anyone. That is up to the individual and their religion. My god. My is an ownership word, I don't own god the last time I checked. I haven't been elevated to Alpha Omega status yet. :-0
josh "Special rights"? Alright, you're an idiot. Seriously, you're using the exact same arguments people used to use against black people, and the fact that you can't see that is just sad.
I'll trump your ignorant comment with you being a clueless moron. You obviously are too stupid to understand why the ban on interracial marriages was overturned josh. I could educate you, but it would just go into one ear and out the other. My time is to precious to be wasted on mind numbed drones such as yourself. I hope you understand. Its still sad that you still have to go to the race well in an attempt to validate a sexual preference issue.
josh "How do you feel about inter-racial marriage? Just last month a judge denied a couple a marriage license based on that... Is that OK with you?"
Going for broke I see josh. I have no problem with interracial marriage. It fulls under the definition of marriage between a man and a woman. Two of my friends are in interracial relationships. So once again, your race card approach has been revoked. :-(
josh "All people are the same. Discriminating against people based on their sexual preference is just as bad as discriminating against them based on skintone. If you don't see that, then I pity you."
Why aren't all people pushing for the ability to marry members of the same sex? Shouldn't you be making the argument to the 94% of straight people in this country that "their rights are being denied"?hmmmm According to you Josh, this isn't about "special rights". So gays should be telling straights that the rights of straights are being "infringed".
josh "Thanks for the entertainment, bigot."
Oh geez, I was trying to be a fashionable homophobe instead josh. Oh well, back to drawing board I suppose. :-)
CB;"If that is the case then Josh, why aren't Christians killing non believers in the name of Jesus Christ then genius?.
Because they did it for 300 years already (1095-1291)!! It's called the "Crusades", genius...
CB;"Furthermore, why do Christians pray for their enemies and "turn the other cheek" unlike Muslims?"
That's true! Although you must do something to them "first" to make them your enemy...say like, invade their land start killing them off, or enslave them, then "pray" for your enemies death and your forgiveness. And when your enemy ask's that you leave them alone, "turn the other cheek" and ignore their request!
p allen "
Because they did it for 300 years already (1095-1291)!! It's called the "Crusades", genius..."
Thank goodness you came along allen. Joshie wasn't exactly a challenge, You're not that great either, but you are better then him. As for the Crusades. do you konw the full history behind them allen. Radical Islam played a part in the creation of the crusades, you do know that right genius?
Furthermore allen. did you have to hop into Dr. Peepbody's wayback machine and go back 7 centuries and 18 years to present an example?!!lol This is 2009 you know.
p allen "That's true! Although you must do something to them "first" to make them your enemy...say like, invade their land start killing them off, or enslave them, then "pray" for your enemies death and your forgiveness. And when your enemy ask's that you leave them alone, "turn the other cheek" and ignore their request!"
What Christians are invading other people's land allen Please present some specifics. You know that generalizations don't work with me.
CB;"Furthermore allen. did you have to hop into Dr. Peepbody's wayback machine and go back 7 centuries and 18 years to present an example?!!lol This is 2009 you know".
And in the same breath, you tell someone else that they should "read the Bible"... As if it was written yesterday...??
CB;"I know these people must have never picked a copy of the bible and read Genesis".
Well according to you, they would be "hopping into Mr. Peabody's wayback machine" if they did!!!
CB;"What Christians are invading other people's land allen Please present some specifics. You know that generalizations don't work with me".
Tyrone, how do you do it? I mean, how do you manage to put your foot in your mouth so easily????
According to "YOU" (and your conservative cohorts) the U.S. is a "Christian" nation...right? Moreover, even though Bush claimed "Mission Accomplished" during the hieght of the invasion, you can't deny the fact that the U.S. INVADED IRAQ!!!
Even more, what religion did the Europeans take with them everywhere they landed and invaded??? Including those who landed on Plymouth Rock??
Hah, see, I'm a social liberal (fiscal conservative if anyone cares) atheist who hated Bush, but even I'm not going to blame the Iraq war on christianity. That's... a stretch. Sure, some of the people in charge were christian, and yes, some of them did see this as killing the infidels... But that particular strain of retardation was secondary in the war rational to "lets take the brown people's oil!" So I'd rack up the Iraq war to equal parts racism and greed.
But you want recent christian violence? How about the abortion doctor who was murdered this year? If you don't see how that wouldn't have happened without the bible-thumpers, then you're worse than I thought.
As for reading the bible, I've done that twice cover to cover in my life (seriously), and read individual books on a piecemeal basis more times than I care to remember. I was actually raised on holy ground! You can think whatever you want about me, but I likely know your holy book better than you do. Its just that it's violence, poor moral messages and misogyny never really struck me as something worth following.
But we're getting off topic! Please, tell me some more about how homosexuals marrying each other somehow hurts you!
Please, in fact, I don't think one of you has yet explained what it is you stand to lose from this equation. I mean, its clearly not that gay sex would be taught in schools; That was an incredibly ballsy lie designed to make homophobes (fashionable as that may be among the ignorant) scream louder at protest rallys.
Oh, and who calls people who don't like "sex in the butt," "birthers?" Are you people really so out of it that you don't know where your own nicknames come from? That would be the label given to whatever mental midget still believes Mr. Obama was birthed (hence the name) in Kenya.
I'm not challenging you, brother? How adorable. I assure you the feeling is mutual.
aLLEN aRAB mUSLIMS CONQUERED aFRICA AND TRIED TO TAKE EUROPE, BUT THEY FAILED.
mUSLIMS caused the crusades. dont christians have the right to fight back. Muslims invaeded Jerusalem and the Arab christians asked Pope Urban for help and they sent troops.
Muslims took over all North Africa and now Egypt is an Arab nation, not allowing men who look like you to attend the Al-Azhar university. Obama was the only christian ever allowed there. Muslims are still stealing Copt girls and forcing marriage, forbidden the repair of churches.
The Bible never said invaded anyone, but allah and the quran did.
Men like you never tell what Muslims did only European Christians and others did. Most Europeans are like you atheist or deist. Hitler convert to islam in 1929 and wrote Mein Kamph and killed 25 million Jews and Christians and sterilized all Afro Germans. The last black left from the Holocaust, Obama refused to meet him.
Has anyone ever asked about what the Log Cabin's point of view in all of this is? Or, the Stonewall Democrats?
To set the record clear, it's not "sexual preference", it's "sexual orientation".
Reading some of Josh's comments he mentioned about Gay's being hung; I have never heard such reports. They only crime I've heard against gay people is being attacked and beaten.
Though it is true that some gay and lesbian have been kicked out of public places for holding hands. One such case a couple of years ago was a lesbian couple getting escorted out of Safeco Field for embracing each other at a baseball game. Some "Gloria Allreds'" out there try to make this a discrimination issue. But like many public places, public affection is not permitted whether you are gay or straight.
As to those who try and to compare homosexuality to pedophilia, they are two different things. But all I hear about is "think of the children, they'll be confused". Look at the statistics: how many children who come from a straight household whose parents wind up abusing them physically, emotionally and sexually?
Don't lecture me about a passage in Leviticus. Like many other people whom I tell, is to keep their religious beliefs and points of views to themselves. If people don't approve of same-sex marriage, don't call them homophobes; it's like calling a person who does not support interracial marriages a racist. Also, whom I marry and what my wife and I do in the privacy of our own home is our own business. And if a state across the nation does approve of same-sex marriages, all we have to do is mind our own business.
To the 9:17 PM anonymous: I have to dig to find the hanging, but I assure you it did happen. But there are other easily proven homicides of gay people because they were gay. Mathew Sheppard is the most well known, and easily googleable.
Same person: I respect how, well, how respectfully you shared your views. Thanks for that. And the "Leave them alone if it passes somewhere" sentiment is truly admirable, and honestly is all I want from anyone. I don't care how you feel about gay people, what you feel is yours and you can have it irregardless; I care if you try to prevent gay people from getting married.
It's fine to not "like" gay sex. I'm straight, if anyone's wondering, been with my current girlfriend for almost 4 years. I personally find the act of two men having sex with each other distasteful. I don't understand the appeal, I don't want to watch gay sex, and there's nothing wrong (or homophobic) with that. But... I'm afraid I do have to disagree with 9:17 on this:
If you try to stop interracial marriages from happening? You're a racist.
And if you're voting against same-sex marriages? You're a homophobe. I actually feel that word isn't negative enough for what people who voted against this are, actually.
Every last person who used democracy to strip the right to marry from those men and women in California and Maine are bigots. The 53% in Maine who voted out gay marriage aren't all bad people, I'm sure, but every last one of them collectively committed a truly evil act.
It is what it is, they voted that gay people are second class citizens who can't have rights that straight people can. There's no dressing that up. It's exactly like voting that black people and women aren't allowed to vote.
I see no difference in morality between being homophobic and being a racist. If you do, then you're wrong.
josh "Hah, see, I'm a social liberal (fiscal conservative if anyone cares)
atheist who hated Bush, but even I'm not going to blame the Iraq war on christianity. That's... a stretch."
Whatever floats your boat there josh.
josh "Sure, some of the people in charge were christian, and yes, some of them did see this as killing the infidels... But that particular strain of retardation was secondary in the war rational to "lets take the brown people's oil!" So I'd rack up the Iraq war to equal parts racism and greed."
I can't believe I'm actually going to entertain your foolishness, oh what hell. Follow actual logic for a second, then foam at the mouth in trying to come up with at logic rebut to what I'm about to say josh.
If Christians went to war in Iraq to steal brown people's oil
1. Where is the oil?
2. Why hasn't Obama returned the brown people's oil seeeing Obama is supposedly a "Christian" and he is also "brown"?
3. Why aren't the brown people in Iraq claim that Christians stole their oil?
4. Why hasn't the former Christian president been charged with stealing the brown people's oil in Iraq?
josh "So I'd rack up the Iraq war to equal parts racism and greed."
I'm curious to find out who were the people who mind humped you.
Josh "But you want recent christian violence? How about the abortion doctor who was murdered this year? If you don't see how that wouldn't have happened without the bible-thumpers, then you're worse than I thought."
Wow, you got me on that on josh. Christianity is the most popular religion in the United States. You've found elusive wingnut who really isn't a christian out of tens of millions of true Christians in this country. Oh by the way, we aren't bible thumpers. We prefer "jesus freaks" instead. It has such a cooler ring to it I think.
josh "As for reading the bible, I've done that twice cover to cover in my life (seriously), and read individual books on a piecemeal basis more times than I care to remember. I was actually raised on holy ground!
You were raised on holly ground ah? Say hello to Duncan McCloud of Klan McClouds the next time you see him will you Josh?
josh "You can think whatever you want about me, but I likely know your holy book better than you do."
I seriously doubt it. The book to you is merely words. Anybody can read a book and memorize paragraphs. If you don't understand what they mean from a religious point of view, the words are just hollow. So quoting scriptures and not really understanding the meaning of them is beyond useless and not impressive at all.
josh " Its just that it's violence, poor moral messages and misogyny never really struck me as something worth following.
If you read the bible like you said, then you should understand the new covenant an now it pertained to the violence references under the Old Testament.
But we're getting off topic! Please, tell me some more about how homosexuals marrying each other somehow hurts you!
josh "Please, in fact, I don't think one of you has yet explained what it is you stand to lose from this equation. I mean, its clearly not that gay sex would be taught in schools; That was an incredibly ballsy lie designed to make homophobes (fashionable as that may be among the ignorant) scream louder at protest rallys."
Let me expand on what you said josh .Actually I should support the a person being beaten,rapped, shot, stabbed,robbed etc because it doesn't involve me right? I should get two pitubll and let them fight to the death, because it doesn't really involve me. If a see a woman getting mugged, I shouldn't help her, because it doesn't involve me right josh? That new of approach of yours has been shattered. Try something different. Your attempt at using a libertarian approach was still weak but better then your previous lame approaches your defense of gay marriage. Using your approach, you basically laid the foundation for me to use illustrations that made your base arrangement look flaky.
josh "Oh, and who calls people who don't like "sex in the butt," "birthers?""
What "birthers are you refering too josh? Are you talking about the John McCain "birthers" or the "Trig Palin" birthers?
josh "Are you people really so out of it that you don't know where your own nicknames come from? That would be the label given to whatever mental midget still believes Mr. Obama was birthed (hence the name) in Kenya."
My nicknames are TC and Ty. As for the mental midget comment. I find it extremely odd that a person would spend money to keep records closed of their birthplace of origin. You can go down Saul Alinsky land to your hearts content josh. Names can't challenge reality. You can call people birthers, rednecks whatever, it still doesn't change the fact the Barack Obama is paying money to keep his birth recrds and college grades closed.
josh "I'm not challenging you, brother? How adorable. I assure you the feeling is mutual."
I'm sure.
I'd respond to you, but
1: You've now hopped the track of "philosophically opposed" and flipped end over end into the realm of either "contrarian for the hell of it," or "brainwashed beyond hope." Which ironically seems to be what you think of me.
and
2: You obviously get far too much joy from this attention we're paying you, and I'd just assume stop feeding the troll.
Call me a quitter, say this shows how my arguments are worth nothing. That'd be a lie and a cop-out, but whatever.
I think what you're "preaching" is bad for this country, and the world as a whole. I'm pretty sure you feel the same in reverse. I'm just gonna leave it at that.
Carry on with whatever it is you think you're doing.
Josh Johnson, Egodriven.net
Josh is horrible Liberal Troll. Even though Allen is a nuisance at least he's entertaining!
Why do people who defend Gays never fail to make pests of themselves?
If Josh finds this blog post so offensive why is he here.
Tyrone-
Ignore the liberal psycho-babble coming from Josh. He has mental illness.
nIDAL WILL BE HERE NEXT TY.
aLLEN WILL APPEASE HIM AND jOSH WILL ACCEPT HIS REAR.
tHE LARGEST GROUP OF GAYS ARE mUSLIMS jOSH. aL-fATHITA IS THE NAME. iRAN HANGS THEM IF CAUGHT, BUT IF NOT GO FOR IT. yOU CAN SEX BOYS IN iSLAM WITHOUT BEING CALLED GAY. sEX WITH BOYS IS HOLY AND APPROVED BY ALLAH, BUT YOU MUST QUIT AT 18.
Actually Josh reminded me to read the Bible instead of answering his falsehoods.
In the Bible those men didn't accept Lot's daughters. They threatened to harm Lot and the Angels blinded those perverts to save Lot. So Josh you are obviously a very poor Bible scholar so your feeble charges mean nothing!
Those men got indignant with Lot and threatened to treat him worse than the two Angels that appeared as men.
Josh is your typical Homosexual apologist making the usual hateful nuisance of himself.
Trent true
Josh the Bible never said kill you or any sodomist but that it is a mental disease. Rom 1:24
Anon;"nIDAL WILL BE HERE NEXT TY.
aLLEN WILL APPEASE HIM AND jOSH WILL ACCEPT HIS REAR".
Accept his "rear"??? Isn't that called, "Gay speak?"
I think I get it though... You guy's are afraid the Muslims and Gays will get together a form a "Gay Muslim Coalition" like a... "Gayslim?"
Anon, is that how you came up with the "anus" bomb... huh??? They're implanting the devices during prayer...that's because they're in the right position.
Almondtea;"Josh is horrible Liberal Troll. Even though Allen is a nuisance at least he's entertaining".
Why thank you Almond...
You remind me of my "3 year old" grandson. Every time I try to pinch his face, or tickle his tummy, he runs away, yet laughing cheerfully all the while.
"In the Bible those men didn't accept Lot's daughters. They threatened to harm Lot and the Angels blinded those perverts to save Lot. So Josh you are obviously a very poor Bible scholar so your feeble charges mean nothing!"
Sorry, I did want to respond to this and only this. Not with anything from me, but with Judges 19:24-25, which is what I was talking about in the first place.
Judges 19:24-25 - "Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go."
See that? That direct quotation from the bible? That time in the bible where it was made clear that it's better to let a mob rape your daughter than to have them rape a man?
Like I said, you people clearly haven't read the book.
Allen look up anus bombs on the internet.
Muslims in Iran glued the abus of gays and gave them a big laxative, and they died.
Allen gays and Muslims are good buddies. Al-Fathita are all gay muslims. But only gay men gay women must die quran 4:15,16
Josh uses the OT which Jews were the only ones who were obligated.
Josh, do you remember what happened to the men of Soddom and Gammorah? God decided that they could not be saved so he passed judgement on them and killed them. That is not to say that I believe that homosexuals should be killed, I believe that only God can (and will) judge people for their actions; whatever they are.
As far as gays being able to marry, I am against it for the same reason. Where did marriage originate? My answer is that God created it and performed the first marriage with Adam and Eve. That is my basis for disagreeing with gay marriage. God said that marriage is between a man and a woman. I believe in God and therefore, I accept his counsel on what a marriage should be.
Josh said: Brother, gay people ARE the last civil rights movement. If you can't see the similarities, then you're blind.
How are gays the last civil rights movement? Just because they want to be able to get married? I'm sorry, I don't agree with you on the marriage thing but your summation is off-target, to say the least. When has a gay person ever been denied the right to vote, own property or be considered a citizen? Which of our many rights, as defined in the Constitution, is being denied to homosexuals?
Josh said: That time in the bible where it was made clear that it's better to let a mob rape your daughter than to have them rape a man?
It was clear that the visitor and master of the home mentioned in the 19th chapter of Judges felt it best that men rape his concubine and daughter rather than rape the man. It doesn't however have God's blessing on that act. There are many verses in the bible that depict violence of all sorts. There are even more that tell of God's love for us as well as those that remind us that God is the final judge.
On Civil Rights:
CB -the rights to full legal, social, and economic equality extended to blacks.
Dupree -Which of our many rights, as defined in the Constitution, is being denied to homosexuals?
This conversation keeps coming up. All people have civil rights, not just blacks.
The Constitution actually prohibits civil marriage because it's discrimination based on religion. The government should get out of the marriage business in favor of civil unions, which allow any 2 people (gay or straight) to designate each other as legal next of kin. Virginia's marriage amendment defines marriage as one man and one woman, and further prohibits civil unions and anything similar to marriage.
The right of marriage is in the 10th Amendment. Powers not explicitly given the federal govt are retained by the states or by the people.
And for perspective, comment from a previous post Feb. 7, 2009:
" it's not "normal" to want to "beat the living hell" out of an "ultra gay" anybody. Gay is the only reason you give for not liking Captain Planet. You do have issues. On one of her radio appearances, I heard Ann Coulter say every group voted for Obama in higher numbers than Bush EXCEPT gays. Republicans want to ban gay marriage. Which group wants to "beat the living hell" out of gays?"
With the election of Obama, the split between gays and blacks became more apparent.
Josh: The bible preaches just as much evil as the Islamic book, but christians have a habit of picking and choosing. This passage is very relevant to this topic, actually, because it's a father offering his daughter to a mob to be raped instead of them raping another man...
Me: For your pompous attacks on Christians you claim don't read the Bible, you reveal your own ignorance in claiming the Bible was preaching for men to do evil there.
You conveniently forgot several details: 1) there was no command from God to do that, 2) those men who did this were later had their city destroyed for that, 3) the book of Judges give an indictment of folks then as acting what they saw right in their own eyes, not God's.
Poor context there, Josh.
Josh: Just saying; christians don't have any high ground to be looking down their noses at other groups of people. Ever, really.
Me: Neither do you.
Christians do not believe they are more righteous than others. We believe we are ourselves sinners and we become Christians because we believe Christ paid for our sins. We don't claim to be not sinners even after we got saved, but just sinners forgiven by God and moved to strive not to sin daily, and when we fail and stumble, we ask God to forgive us.
Josh: Oh, and Deuteronomy says that if a man is caught raping a woman, he has to pay the woman's father 50 silver pieces, then marry her. What kind of a lunatic would make a rape victim marry their victim?! Answer? Your God.
Me: No, it was deterrent against the rapist, since those who do that never have intentions of marrying. And by the way, they also get stoned for rape, too.
Josh: Stop being ignorant and fighting against the rights of other people. It's just sickening to see anyone stomp on other people's liberties, especially when the people doing the stomping should know better.
Me: Your whole post is woefully ignorant.
And funny thing is that the very proponents of gay marriage are also mostly those who deny rights of others to marry, too, when it comes to consenting adults, if it involves incest, polygamy, etc., etc.
Marriage is by nature discrimatory in nature.
There are laws that won't allow folks to marry an animal. Or one's own daughter or son. Or one's own sister or brother. Or marry different women at the same time.
Using your logic, those folks would claim discrimination, too, and claim everyone who oppose their so-called right to marry as ignorant and bigoted.
Josh: How long ago was it that black people weren't allowed to vote? That you counted as less than a whole person? We've come a long way from that, huh? Now that you're not considered to be half a person, you're really going to try to get another minority treated as half a person?
Me: And most blacks and quite frankly other minorities are offended that their color of skin is equated with sexual preference. Wonder why most liberal blacks in the state of California voted against gay marriage?
And you are referring to the 3/5 compromise in which blacks are counted as 3/5 persons. Problem with your argument is that the slaveowners wanted them counted as full persons, and the Northern states recognizing their hypocrisy stated that give the slaveowning states don't give them any rights whatsoever, should not pad the count of their constituents in the House, by counting them as full persons. The message was either grant them rights or don't count them for purpose of representation, that would give unjust and more power to the Southern states. A compromise had to be reached therefore in order for the Constitution to be ratified.
And since you want to bash Christianity in regards to this issue so much, who led the abolitionist movement in England and America? Christians. Period.
Josh: I know you'll never allow this to be published, because you're afraid of an opposing viewpoint. I just wanted you to know that I find you repulsive. It's a safe bet that you're opposed to racism, but you're perfectly happy with another hate crime.
Me: Making claims people are happy with another hate crime is itself a bigoted statement, sir.
Josh: Hypocrisy doesn't look good on anyone.
Me: Look in the mirror.
Josh: See that? That direct quotation from the bible? That time in the bible where it was made clear that it's better to let a mob rape your daughter than to have them rape a man? Like I said, you people clearly haven't read the book.
Me: And you do? And you are so presumptous Christians don't read the book.
Where is it made clear that the Bible approved of that.
Just because the Bible records an event does not mean it approved of it. The Bible also recorded David committing adultery and murder. By your logic, based on just reading those passages and not other passages afterwards, the Bible would be condoning those things. But we know better since the passages after that had God judging David's sins and getting his confession and repentance, but he still had to suffer the consequences of his actions after that.
Likewise, those who involved still had to suffer the consequences of their actions. And the Bible gave an indictment of those living in that society back then as pretty much godless.
Your claim to reading the Bible while others don't based on taking a passage out of context to claim God condoned that is a joke.
"This conversation keeps coming up. All people have civil rights, not just blacks."
Claiming civil rights being for all mean anyone should have right to marry whoever the person wishes based on sexual preference is a right invented out of thin air by the gay marriage movement. Those same advocates for that movement themselves oppose for the most part polygamy, incestual marriage, etc., even when those involved consenting adults. So their claim of marriage should not discriminate against anyone of sexual preference is bogus argumentation.
Josh cited Judges 19, but conveniently left out Judges 20, where God judged those who raped the woman:
4 So the Levite, the husband of the murdered woman, said, "I and my concubine came to Gibeah in Benjamin to spend the night. 5 During the night the men of Gibeah came after me and surrounded the house, intending to kill me. They raped my concubine, and she died. 6 I took my concubine, cut her into pieces and sent one piece to each region of Israel's inheritance, because they committed this lewd and disgraceful act in Israel. 7 Now, all you Israelites, speak up and give your verdict."
8 All the people rose as one man, saying, "None of us will go home. No, not one of us will return to his house. 9 But now this is what we'll do to Gibeah: We'll go up against it as the lot directs. 10 We'll take ten men out of every hundred from all the tribes of Israel, and a hundred from a thousand, and a thousand from ten thousand, to get provisions for the army. Then, when the army arrives at Gibeah [a] in Benjamin, it can give them what they deserve for all this vileness done in Israel." 11 So all the men of Israel got together and united as one man against the city.
12 The tribes of Israel sent men throughout the tribe of Benjamin, saying, "What about this awful crime that was committed among you? 13 Now surrender those wicked men of Gibeah so that we may put them to death and purge the evil from Israel."
But the Benjamites would not listen to their fellow Israelites. 14 From their towns they came together at Gibeah to fight against the Israelites. 15 At once the Benjamites mobilized twenty-six thousand swordsmen from their towns, in addition to seven hundred chosen men from those living in Gibeah. 16 Among all these soldiers there were seven hundred chosen men who were left-handed, each of whom could sling a stone at a hair and not miss.
17 Israel, apart from Benjamin, mustered four hundred thousand swordsmen, all of them fighting men.
18 The Israelites went up to Bethel [b] and inquired of God. They said, "Who of us shall go first to fight against the Benjamites?"
The LORD replied, "Judah shall go first."
19 The next morning the Israelites got up and pitched camp near Gibeah. 20 The men of Israel went out to fight the Benjamites and took up battle positions against them at Gibeah. 21 The Benjamites came out of Gibeah and cut down twenty-two thousand Israelites on the battlefield that day. 22 But the men of Israel encouraged one another and again took up their positions where they had stationed themselves the first day. 23 The Israelites went up and wept before the LORD until evening, and they inquired of the LORD. They said, "Shall we go up again to battle against the Benjamites, our brothers?"
The LORD answered, "Go up against them."
24 Then the Israelites drew near to Benjamin the second day. 25 This time, when the Benjamites came out from Gibeah to oppose them, they cut down another eighteen thousand Israelites, all of them armed with swords.
26 Then the Israelites, all the people, went up to Bethel, and there they sat weeping before the LORD. They fasted that day until evening and presented burnt offerings and fellowship offerings [c] to the LORD. 27 And the Israelites inquired of the LORD. (In those days the ark of the covenant of God was there, 28 with Phinehas son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron, ministering before it.) They asked, "Shall we go up again to battle with Benjamin our brother, or not?"
The LORD responded, "Go, for tomorrow I will give them into your hands."
And here is the final verse of Judges that give an indictment of society as a whole back then in Israel:
25 In those days Israel had no king; everyone did as he saw fit.
In other words the Bible in no way condoned the crimes done back then. To claim it did on the basis of citing an event that took place, as Josh did, without allowing for context, reveals a post that is agenda driven, with desire to mock and belittle Christians, not deal fairly or honestly.
Josh: But you want recent christian violence? How about the abortion doctor who was murdered this year? If you don't see how that wouldn't have happened without the bible-thumpers, then you're worse than I thought.
Me: In a nation that has millions upon millions of conservative Christians, you can ony come up wiht one example. There has been maybe ten murders of abortion doctors in the years since Roe v Wade, not all of them even done in by overzealous pro-lifers. That's a rate of less than a third a year murder. And if you count per state, the fraction would be even less. Abortion industry in terms of murder rate is still by far very low compare to many other professions.
And guess what? Pro-abortionists have murdered pro-lifers as well as each other, too, but in far more abundance. You are living in glasshouses there.
And let's also remind you that abortionists killed 50 million unborn babies in the most violent methods possible.
Spare me the crocodile tears on abortion doctors, when a few are killed, none til this year, since 10 years ago about.
And guess what? Most conservative Christians condemned those who kill abortion doctors, even if we find abortion doctors to be wicked and evil for all the murders they themselves committed.
You really show your ignorance claiming Bible thumping means advocating murdering abortion doctors. The Bible also teaches for the New Testament to not murder, not to take the law into one's own hands, and to whenever we can honor the law of the land, while working to change the law if we can. See Romans 13.
The Bible also teaches for the New Testament Christian to love our enemies as ourselves.
So how does Bible thumping lead to us murdering abortion doctors if we obey our mandate as Christians under the New Testament?
Josh: All people are the same. Discriminating against people based on their sexual preference is just as bad as discriminating against them based on skintone. If you don't see that, then I pity you.
Me: So is it wrong to discriminate against those whose sexual preference is for animals? What about those whose sexual preferences is for children? Or for those whose sexual preferences is for more than one sexual partner for marriage?
Do you really believe your own tripe?
By your own logic, then, if you deny rights of all those above, including the pedohiles, then you are just as bad as those who deny rights to those on basis of skin color.
Skin color and sexual preference are totally different issues. Sorry but I pity you for mixing issues.
Josh: Thanks for the entertainment, bigot.
Me; Then I guess that makes you a bigot unless you allow marriage for everyone, not just gays, but also pedophiles/children, humans/animals, mothers/sons, etc., etc.
"As to those who try and to compare homosexuality to pedophilia, they are two different things. But all I hear about is "think of the children, they'll be confused"."
Yes, they are different things. I don't disagree.
If the comparison is made based on them being the same things, it is not valid.
But if the comparison is made not based on them being the same things, but to show the inconsistency of your side's argument, it is very valid point.
Your side argue that to deny right of anyone to marry based on sexual preference is bigoted and discriminatory and against the law only apply that when it comes to gay marriage. But you don't really believe that when it comes to others like pedophiles, etc.
In short, you don't really believe your own arguments. You use them when convenient, but discard them when you are opposed to folks whose preferences you see as immoral and dangerous to society.
Marriage has always been between man and woman. It is not bigoted to state as such.
"And if you're voting against same-sex marriages? You're a homophobe. I actually feel that word isn't negative enough for what people who voted against this are, actually."
Then by your logic, those who oppose marriage for polygamist, those involved in incest, those who want to marry animals, etc., etc., are bigots.
Want to go there with the rhetoric?
If you are going to call folks bigots on issue of sexual preference, better take it when it applies to you.
Josh: The bible preaches just as much evil as the Islamic book, but christians have a habit of picking and choosing.
Me: Go read up on what the Bible actually teaches on law/gospel distinction, old and new covental distinctions, etc., etc., then come back and discuss this. Claiming Christians pick and choose is an old argument, but asinine and based on ignorance of what Christians believe on God's law, as in regards to the gospel, the covenants, old and new, etc.
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