Saturday, December 19, 2009

Why do blacks continue to make excuses for Barack Obama at every turn?

Most blacks still show unshakable support for Barack Obama while non whites who voted for Obama have reevaluated their support for him. I got criticized by the left both black and white for my comments on why the main reason blacks voted for Obama in the first place. The one question to this day that they still have a hard time answering is "how is Barack Hussein Obama any different from any other liberal politician to run for president? The answer is he isn't. Race was promoted heavily among Obama's supporters during the campaign. The word "historic" was used constantly. It's comical listening to black Obama supporters who call into radio talk shows in what seems to be desperate attempts to defend Obama and change public opinion of him. The most used talking point among black Obama supporters is that "he needs time to fix the problems" or that the people who don't like him are "racists". Of course it will never dawn on them that it is Obama's own policies that are extending the economic problems and in many cases making them worse. In a Gallup poll conducted last month it showed that Obama's support among white voters is down to just 39%. The same poll showed that black support for Obama has averaged 93% during his time in office, and has been at or above 90% nearly every week during his presidency.I commented last month for the reason for the steep decline among whites. Independents are mostly made up of white voters, and those voters are fleeing from Obama in record numbers. Blacks on the other hand are overwhelmingly registered Democrat. I believe blacks who defend Obama at every turn lack any credibility. The same black Obama supporters who loyally defend Obama were the same ones who blamed George Bush for the 911 attacks or claimed he orchestrated the 911 attacks seven months into his first term. Most blacks blamed the 2000 recession on George Bush even though the dot-com bubble started under Clinton and burst three months after George Bush was sworn into office. I find it extremely two faced that black Obama supporters want everybody else to now give Obama "a chance and more time", yet they didn't "practice what they are now preaching" when Bush was in office for eight years. I came across an interesting video interview segment conducted by a black news and opinion site called "The Grio". 

Harlem isn't exactly known for producing politically savvy and knowledgeable voters. I've said many times before that those who think along lines of race tend to not think at all. Here's a classic video from last year in which a person from the Howard Stern show interviewed people in Harlem. The person presented the positions that John McCain supported and made them appear as if Barack Obama supported them instead. Hopefully race and ignorance won't factor in the 2012 outcome.


37 Comments:

Blogger p. anthony allen said...

Why do Blacks make excuses Barack Obama at every turn??? Is making an "excuse" for someone, and "excusing" a particular circumstances the same thing??

You talk about "Blacks" that make excuses. What about the "Blacks" who complained from the outset? What about the "Blacks" who had no confidence in Barack Obama and complained after the primaries, before and after the general election, before he was inaugurated, that day after, the weeks, months, and till this day with barely 1 year in?

Tyrone, you've complained and ragged all year long! I can go back on your essay's and show you that your rant's against the president started the day after the election. Starting with your essay "Affirmative Action Does Work" on election night where you stated;

"Will I call Barack Hussein Obama President? Na, I will only utter those words from my lips to the person I feel is actually worthy to be called that. I will just refer to him as " the black man" at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

You'll refer to him as "the Black man at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave???" Why not the "Democrat", or the "Librul" or just "the man??" If instructed will you refer to Joe Biden as the "White man" vice-president? How about Rahm Emanuel as the "Jew" White House Chief of Staff?? Or is it just the idea that President Obama is Black that bothers you??

Blacks supported Bill Clinton religiously for 8 years, so much so even to refer to him as the "first Black president." Why weren't Black conservatives "instructed" to attack Toni Morrison after she penned the phrase? Yet Black conservatives have taken dutifully to elevating the presidents race reassuring that the viewing conservative public knows that there's a "black man at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave".

"I hope he fails" has been your instructed quest from the beginning! Hoping for President Obama's failure, and at the same time, make claims that his supporters are making excuse's, is contradictory to your own desires! You don't want him to succeed, so no matter what he does you wont like it. Thus, whatever anyone says in response, you'll see it as an "excuse."

Unfortunately for you "librul" blacks have chosen not to accompany the few conservatives black in their misery.

5:31 PM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

p allen Why do Blacks make excuses Barack Obama at every turn??? Is making an "excuse" for someone, and "excusing" a particular circumstances the same thing??"

Not necessary allen. Can you name one issue in which blacks find fault with Obama? Just have at it.

p allen "You talk about "Blacks" that make excuses. What about the "Blacks" who complained from the outset? What about the "Blacks" who had no confidence in Barack Obama and complained after the primaries, before and after the general election, before he was inaugurated, that day after, the weeks, months, and till this day with barely 1 year in?"

Answering a question with qustion allen isn't answering the question in this case. I just thought I would let you know that. Where is your proof that blacks had no confidence in Obama before or after the primaries? Are you making reference to the 5% of blacks who supported Hillary Clinton? You have to be joking right? Look at the Gallup Poll allen, the blacks who voted for Obama are in lockstep support of him no matter what he does. Can you name anything you think he has done wrong allen? You know I named everything under the sun what both Bush's and McCain did wrong.

p allen"
Tyrone, you've complained and ragged all year long! I can go back on your essay's and show you that your rant's against the president started the day after the election. Starting with your essay "Affirmative Action Does Work" on election night where you stated;"

Of course allen, did you think I was going to simply roll over and be a good little Obama puppy?lol Of course I've criticized him, but believe it or not I've also gave credit to Barry when it was due. If you recall I gave credit him for giving the order to take out the Somali Pirates. My only complaint was that I wish he would have given the order sooner. And for the record Affirmative Action did work on the presidential level. Can you prove me wrong allen? It was Obama's own supporters that made his race the reason why people should vote for him over his lack of "experience" or "accomplishments" that warranted him being elected. You know I'm right allen. I'll quote Ludicris one more time when he said last year "lets paint the white house black".

7:38 PM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

allen quoting me "
"Will I call Barack Hussein Obama President? Na, I will only utter those words from my lips to the person I feel is actually worthy to be called that. I will just refer to him as " the black man" at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave."

Did I stutter when I wrote the allen? If a person like Allen West was elected president, I would have no problem calling him president. Obama got elected to the U.S Senate by beating Alan Keye from my state of Maryland. He spent 4 1/2 months not years in the U.S Senate before announcing he was running for president. Other then being a political opportunist, Barry Obama has no experience or accomplishments anything in which to consider his a legitimate president.

p allen "Blacks supported Bill Clinton religiously for 8 years, so much so even to refer to him as the "first Black president." Why weren't Black conservatives "instructed" to attack Toni Morrison after she penned the phrase? Yet Black conservatives have taken dutifully to elevating the presidents race reassuring that the viewing conservative public knows that there's a "black man at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave".

Why weren't black conservatives "instructed" to go after Toni Morrison? I must have missed something. I thought for sure black conservatives think for themselves allen, maybe you can point out something otherwise. As I stated before allen, it is your liberal pals who made Obama all about race. You even admitted to it in a previous post that his historic aspect is because of "RACE". Read your own words Allen!!lol
You don't like it that black conservatives dare comment on it.

P Allen"I hope he fails" has been your instructed quest from the beginning! Hoping for President Obama's failure, and at the same time, make claims that his supporters are making excuse's, is contradictory to your own desires! You don't want him to succeed, so no matter what he does you wont like it. Thus, whatever anyone says in response, you'll see it as an "excuse.""

In a country that is center right with the majority of people calling themselves conservative over liberal by a 2 to 1 margin allen, why would I and most Americans want to see hard left policies succeed in America allen? Look at the polls, it's no vast right wing conspiracy involved. Why do you think Independents have dumped Obama like a bad habit? The majority of the people don't want the government taking over healthcare. They don't want the national debt to increase anymore, they don't believe in global fooling. What I want and what the majority of Americans want seem to be in perfect sync allen, what can I say?

p allen "
Unfortunately for you "librul" blacks have chosen not to accompany the few conservatives black in their misery."

I let me guess that black liberals weren't miserable when Bush and Reagan were in the White House for 16 years right allen? ;-) Once again try again allen. Black conservatives aren't miserable, we are active in derailing Obama. As I said before the polls show that it's not just black conservatives against Obama, it's the majority of Americans against Obama.

7:57 PM  
Blogger plumpudding81 said...

I think that Blacks who make excuses for Obama worship their skin color and probably subscribe to a group mentality. I think the group mentality is lethal to black people. Some Black Churches are more like cults than houses of God.
I'm very disheartened that some of my relatives voted for Obama but not my immediate family! My parents do not Obama and neither do I nor my brothers and sisters. My cousins and Aunts probably voted for him. What were they thinking.
Obama is scum and he hates this country.

12:30 PM  
Anonymous Lovebug said...

I have to agree with plumpudding81, blacks (not all, but a dangerously high percent) seem to subscribe to group think. We must always support someone who is black even if they are incompetent (Obama) or engaging in a criminal act. (i.e. widespread support for guys like R. Kelly and Chris Brown) This is perceived by many blacks as a sign of black solidarity and black unity. Anyone who questions this is a "sellout" or trying to keep a black man down.
I find this whole concept of thinking to be very sad and pathetic. No group of people has ever gotten ahead by embracing mediocrity and not holding each other accountable. But many blacks would rather cry racism. The truth is that life outside of the Garden of Eden is difficult and unfair for everyone (although our individual experiences may vary), the challenge is for all of us to learn how to make the best of it.

7:13 PM  
Blogger DarkStar said...

Since you rag on Blacks in most of your posts, that's thinking along lines of race, so by your own commentary, you aren't a thinker.

HTH

10:12 PM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

plumpudding;"I think that Blacks who make excuses for Obama worship their skin color and probably subscribe to a group mentality".

Typical conservative mis-teaching's!!!

I pray for the day that Blacks truly have a "group" mentality. Black Americans are the most spiritually, economically, and socially divided minority in this country!

If you "REALLY" knew anything about Black people in America, you would know that for the most part Blacks tend to be either "self centered", or "small-tribal." It hasn't always been that way though. I believe the "tribal" mentality began about the time blacks began to move from more rural settings into the urban setting and area's.

What you've pointed out are actually "social similarities." These social similarities are a direct result of the failure of being a cohesive and productive minority group. Because Blacks don't have our own positive social and political agenda, we've become an anomaly to the two party political system. Because Blacks don't have our own positive social and political agenda, our children are born into single parent household which leads to poverty and breed the criminal element. Because Blacks don't have our own positive social and political agenda, our communities are failing and falling apart.

If Blacks truly worshiped their skin color, there wouldn't be the type of problems there are in the black community today. I've seen racial and heritage worship, and that can hardly be said about blacks.

Here in Detroit I've seen Arab Americans embrace their heritage in such a way that they support entire communities based on heritage alone. BLACKS DON'T DO THIS!

I've seen Jewish, Polish and Native American communities thrive economically, socially and POLITICALLY, based on a "GROUP MENTALITY" to ensure the success of the entire community. BLACKS DON'T DO THIS!

The Black family and the black community somehow has been torn apart to the point where the individual (or a clic' of individuals) has become more important than the entire community.

So, the political conservative "teachings" about the plight of the Black community is WRONG and basically a "LIE."!!! The only interest the political conservative has with the black community is "VOTES" and the voting patterns during the political process. Thus they make claim that, "all you Blacks think and vote alike", or, "blacks embrace and vote their skin color". WRONG!!!!

The "FACT" is blacks have voted DEMOCRAT (80 to 90%) since the election of JFK! The reason is simple...PERSONAL INTERESTS! Yet, isn't personal interests the impetus of everyone's vote??? Blacks have voted for White politicians for decades!!

If American Blacks truly lived their lives, invested economically, cooperated socially, worshiped spiritually, voted collectively and politically, and respected one another, based solely on skin color alone, black people and their communities would be the envy of the entire world!

1:24 AM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

plumpudding;"I think that Blacks who make excuses for Obama worship their skin color and probably subscribe to a group mentality".

Typical conservative mis-teaching's!!!

I pray for the day that Blacks truly have a "group" mentality. Black Americans are the most spiritually, economically, and socially divided minority in this country!

If you "REALLY" knew anything about Black people in America, you would know that for the most part Blacks tend to be either "self centered", or "small-tribal." It hasn't always been that way though. I believe the "tribal" mentality began about the time blacks began to move from more rural settings into the urban setting and area's.

What you've pointed out are actually "social similarities." These social similarities are a direct result of the failure of being a cohesive and productive minority group. Because Blacks don't have our own positive social and political agenda, we've become an anomaly to the two party political system. Because Blacks don't have our own positive social and political agenda, our children are born into single parent household which leads to poverty and breed the criminal element. Because Blacks don't have our own positive social and political agenda, our communities are failing and falling apart.

If Blacks truly worshiped their skin color, there wouldn't be the type of problems there are in the black community today. I've seen racial and heritage worship, and that can hardly be said about blacks.

Here in Detroit I've seen Arab Americans embrace their heritage in such a way that they support entire communities based on heritage alone. BLACKS DON'T DO THIS!

I've seen Jewish, Polish and Native American communities thrive economically, socially and POLITICALLY, based on a "GROUP MENTALITY" to ensure the success of the entire community. BLACKS DON'T DO THIS!

The Black family and the black community somehow has been torn apart to the point where the individual (or a clic' of individuals) has become more important than the entire community.

So, the political conservative "teachings" about the plight of the Black community is WRONG and basically a "LIE."!!! The only interest the political conservative has with the black community is "VOTES" and the voting patterns during the political process. Thus they make claim that, "all you Blacks think and vote alike", or, "blacks embrace and vote their skin color". WRONG!!!!

The "FACT" is blacks have voted DEMOCRAT (80 to 90%) since the election of JFK! The reason is simple...PERSONAL INTERESTS! Yet, isn't personal interests the impetus of everyone's vote??? Blacks have voted for White politicians for decades!!

If American Blacks truly lived their lives, invested economically, cooperated socially, worshiped spiritually, voted collectively and politically, and respected one another, based solely on skin color alone, black people and their communities would be the envy of the entire world!

1:24 AM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

darkstar "Since you rag on Blacks in most of your posts, that's thinking along lines of race, so by your own commentary, you aren't a thinker."

I decided to take your remarks first Darkstar. First off, I "rag" on anyone I believe is wrong regardless of race or political preference. For you to ignore that fact Darkstar shows how disingenuous you are. I "ragged" on people like Sean Hannity and Bill Cunningham. Correct me if I am wrong Dark, but are those two "white conservatives"? I've ragged on people like Howard Dean and Jeanne Gerafalo", are those "white liberals" darkstar? Dark, it's hard to build a foundation if you don't have something solid in which to build it on, you know what I mean? I should have reworded my title to say "Why do black Obama supporters continue to make excuses". The reality is that all blacks are Obama cult worshippers. So I admit I could have worded the title better. As for your comment darkstar, your wrong. My comments are merely a "response" to what I observed. I didn't interview the people in Harlem, my words are based merely on the content in which it was presented. You see Dark, you can't dispute the content of the evidence I presented. Attacking the messenger doesn't discredit the message.

10:38 AM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

p allen "Typical conservative mis-teaching's!!!"

Spare us allen. When you can't challenge a topic, all you can do is say "typicl conservative mis teachings". Speaking of misteachings allen, hows that man made global warming that liberals are teaching? lol Here's another liberal "misteacing". A country can have a perfectly working government healthcare system that is top quality without any rasing in taxes or rationing in care.lol lol lol lol Keep um coming allen.

p allen "If you "REALLY" knew anything about Black people in America, you would know that for the most part Blacks tend to be either "self centered", or "small-tribal." It hasn't always been that way though. I believe the "tribal" mentality began about the time blacks began to move from more rural settings into the urban setting and area's."

Funny how voting trends don't bare out what you say allen. For the most part, blacks tend to adhere to the same urban language, fashions, music. If a young black person uses proper english, he or she is accuse by the "tribe" of trying to "act white". If blacks dress respectfully, they are accussed of thinking they are better then other because they don't wear jeans hanging down with their underwear showing.

p allen "
If Blacks truly worshiped their skin color, there wouldn't be the type of problems there are in the black community today. I've seen racial and heritage worship, and that can hardly be said about blacks."

I gave you tons of examples of racial worship allen with Obama during the campaign and after. You can continue to deny the undeniable if you like. It's funny watching you try though.

10:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you Tyrone. Allen has lived in Detroit all of his life and sees what the Arabs are doing to them and yet blamers others. If Arabs had srtuck together why are they in Detroit owning most of the stores. There are rich blacks who refused to own a corner store. Now those blacks have joined their enemies who always make blacks sit at the back of the bus in their world and now in Detroit. It is a shame.
Before blacks started to leave the church and before black pastors refused to teach the word, black men stayed home and most black kids had a mother and a father. Allen in Detroit Arab muslims sharia banks dont allow non-muslims to work there but we allow muslims to work in non-muslims places. UNFAIR Sharia Islamic Law obama has allowed in the White House and people now see it even the CBC and some black pastors who read.

7:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone's opinion please:
Let's forget the black and white defense issues for a moment.

How is it when a party member, Democrat or Republican, is caught in a scandal, many of their party members would come to his/her defense? Only have I've seen a small percentage of a member of that party turn against their colleagues.

7:17 PM  
Blogger DarkStar said...

"Why do black Obama supporters continue to make excuses"

The question is, why are Blacks always deemed to be wrong if most polled, seem to agree in one manner?

9:29 PM  
Blogger plumpudding81 said...

Because they are blinded by color. Too bad our skin color isn't going to amount to anything if this nation is bankrupt. Good luck trying to get people to kowtow to the race card in countries that didn't participate in the Atlantic Slave Trade.

I heard a lot of people from around the world do not like African Americans not even African Blacks like us.

Africans enslaved Africans and they have yet to issue an apology for selling our ancestors to the Americas.

However I'm glad to live in this great country and if Obama hates this country he, his daughters and his ungrateful harridan of a wife need to get out!

Living it up on our tax dollars while decrying our nation's history. They make me sick!

I want Obama out of office because I don't want him bringing to ruin the only home I know!
The USA is my home for better or worse!

9:51 PM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

CB;"Spare us allen. When you can't challenge a topic, all you can do is say "typicl conservative mis teachings"

and

Speaking of misteachings allen, hows that man made global warming that liberals are teaching? lol Here's another liberal "misteacing". A country can have a perfectly working government healthcare system
.

Mis-teachings and mis-information is what I'm speaking of. The idea that "all blacks who support President Obama think alike" is a conservative contrived idea used to degrade and malign blacks.

There's no contrast between health care and global warming. Yours and everyone else's conclusions about global warming and proposed health care legislation is deduced by surmise or guesswork. No one knows or can accurately predict the outcome of either one.

I'm not talking about conjecture or what "could" occur. I'm speaking of what "is" occurring.

You have been fed the idea that blacks behave like "cultist" and sheep in the voting booth. Nothing can be further from the truth. What you incorrectly label as a "sheep" mentality is actually a reaction to an exterior relative force. Blacks vote the way they do because historically our political leaders were chosen for us. Seeing now that out vote matters, those who are not receiving those votes have chosen to attack and malign the black vote.

When blacks left the south en-mass for opportunities in the northern states, did those who stayed behind refer to those who left as having a "sheep" mentality?? If the wind blows in one direction and all things in it's path goes in that direction, is it because the debris is acting in a "cult" fashion?

The conservative pundits and think-tankers gave black conservatives this "talking-point" and line of prose to make the Obama supporting blacks seem vile and scary.

Tyrone, you as a black man who grew up in the black community, knows that you can't get most blacks to agree and cooperate socially, economically, spiritually, and within our own communities "POLITICALLY." The mayors of both our communities have been charged and convicted of corruption, each for personal gain!!

Cult member's follow their leaders blindly without question. Almost every black organization, as well as other "liberal" groups, has called President Obama out on his campaign promises. Whereas sheep follow instruction and direction, many black communities continue to decay despite the positive example of the black family in the White House.

I wish it were true that Blacks acted in a cult fashion when it came to economics and business ownership. Cult's and it's members work entirely for the progress and cohesive success of the "CULT."

10:23 PM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

CB;"I gave you tons of examples of racial worship allen with Obama during the campaign and after. You can continue to deny the undeniable if you like. It's funny watching you try though".

If worshiping president Obama will make the kids here in Detroit get high test scores, improve schools, end the illegal drug trade, prevent crime, create a thriving economic climate, create stable families and households, ect.... I'M ALL FOR WORSHIPING PRESIDENT OBAMA!!!

If you cant show me an example of a positive result (such as what I've just outlined as a form of "worship"), you're not interested in solving anything!!! All you're doing is finger pointing with a malicious intent....

10:45 PM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

beth "Thank you Tyrone. Allen has lived in Detroit all of his life and sees what the Arabs are doing to them and yet blamers others. If Arabs had srtuck together why are they in Detroit owning most of the stores. There are rich blacks who refused to own a corner store. Now those blacks have joined their enemies who always make blacks sit at the back of the bus in their world and now in Detroit"

Yeah, the same city of Detroit that is so broke financially, they can't even afford to bury their dead citizens.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6926247.ece

Detroit is a symbol of black concentrated poverty. Liberal policies have destroyed that city, and the only solution liberal politicians can offer to the citizens is to continue voting for the poison. It's such a crying shame. The state of Michigan in general is a basket case state. I'm not even going to mention what's going on in Deerborn.

11:38 PM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

p allen "Mis-teachings and mis-information is what I'm speaking of. The idea that "all blacks who support President Obama think alike" is a conservative contrived idea used to degrade and malign blacks."

Once again allen, you need to re examine the title of my commentary. For you to get so worked up over what I said must mean that their is an element of truth you are having a hard time coming to grips with. Do you want a tissue allen?


p allen "Mis-teachings and mis-information is what I'm speaking of. The idea that "all blacks who support President Obama think alike" is a conservative contrived idea used to degrade and malign blacks".

If you misunderstood what I said allen, you should reread what I write. I meant to say that all blacks that voted for Obama are completely loyal to him. That was the whole premise behind my original story allen. I have yet to come across blacks that voted for Obama that can point out anything they feel he has done wrong. It's the cult worship aspect I'm talking about.

p allen "There's no contrast between health care and global warming. Yours and everyone else's conclusions about global warming and proposed health care legislation is deduced by surmise or guesswork. No one knows or can accurately predict the outcome of either one."

Wrong yet again on both counts. We know the outcome of what government run healthcare means. We have live examples of it not working in other countries. That can't be denied or disputed. What also can't be disputed is that most Americans do not want this bill and feel it is being shoved down their throats. So much for liberals politicians and Obama caring about the will of the American people, NOT. Of course, I'm just waiting for you to respond in your typical defence of Obama to what I just said thus proving my point yet again. As for global warming,there is no evidence that man is changing the weather one way or the other. All these kooky self righteous alarmist hypocrites gathered in Copenhengan for the global fooling conference, I wonder what was the percentage of the people gathered that own hybrid cars or live a ecco friendly lifestyle. I know all about the polluting limos and private jets that these phonies use to get to Copenhagen and to travel around in. Is that misinformation allen?

11:53 PM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

p allen "
I'm not talking about conjecture or what "could" occur. I'm speaking of what "is" occurring."

What is occuring then allen? Oh, can you tell me what ever happened to the first alarmist report 20 years ago about the "ozone layer"? That's a term that just dropped off the radar screen as it the hysteria never existed.

p allen "You have been fed the idea that blacks behave like "cultist" and sheep in the voting booth. Nothing can be further from the truth. What you incorrectly label as a "sheep" mentality is actually a reaction to an exterior relative force.

Is that a fact allen. Black telling other blacks that if they don't vote Democrat "they are a traitor to their race". Does that ring a bell allen? It does to me. Let me translate it or break it down for you. "If you aren't down with the herd, you are a traitor to flock". You can't be this naive allen. There is no room among most blacks for ideological and political diversity. Some call it sheepism, I call it the borg collective mindset. Once again, the facts are solidly on my side. Just prove me wrong. The label fits, because it is factual.

p allen " Blacks vote the way they do because historically our political leaders were chosen for us."

So are you saying that blacks are too stupid to vote for their own representatives as individuals. Your own words prove what I am saying. I guess I should say thanks. For the record as a free thinking analytical black guy, I think for myself and vote for people myself to represent my interests. I just thought I would mention that.

p allen "Seeing now that out vote matters, those who are not receiving those votes have chosen to attack and malign the black vote."

Which reminds me, did you get a chance to read the story I wrote the other day about the city council of DC passing a gay marriage bill allen? Most blacks have always been against gay marriage or homosexuality in general. Did the black political leaders in the city council represent the mostly black population of the DC? I'm sure when they elected the city council, they had no idea that the council was going to do what it did.

p allen "When blacks left the south en-mass for opportunities in the northern states, did those who stayed behind refer to those who left as having a "sheep" mentality?? If the wind blows in one direction and all things in it's path goes in that direction, is it because the debris is acting in a "cult" fashion?"

You were alive during the era of slavery allen? You take offense to the sheep terminology, look what blacks are called when they don't subscribe to the "sheep" political mentally. They are called "house" niggers". Why do liberals use that sort of racial slave terminology towards blacks who have "diverse" viewpoints allen? I thought the heart of liberalism is suppose to be about "understanding of those with diverse views". I'm just throwing that out there.

p allen "The conservative pundits and think-tankers gave black conservatives this "talking-point" and line of prose to make the Obama supporting blacks seem vile and scary."

Actually black Obama supporters made themselves appear scary all on their own allen.

12:19 AM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

p allen "Tyrone, you as a black man who grew up in the black community, knows that you can't get most blacks to agree and cooperate socially, economically, spiritually, and within our own communities "POLITICALLY." The mayors of both our communities have been charged and convicted of corruption, each for personal gain!!"


If a white police officer is caught on tape beating a black suspect, I guarantee you the blacks will "agree" that the cop was wrong. Most blacks agreed that Bush was the devil and tried to drown people n New Orleans. And most blacks feel that Barack Obama can do no wrong. Did I leave anything out allen?

p allen "Cult member's follow their leaders blindly without question."

That is an easy open. I could say it but I won't.

p allen "Almost every black organization, as well as other "liberal" groups, has called President Obama out on his campaign promises.

Calling him out with light slap on the hand language is nothing. They've just did it to act like they weren't push overs for Obama. If these groups were actually openingly criticizing Obama for "broken campaign promises", why is Obama's approval ratings in the 90% range allen? Once again, the words you use and the facts aren't matching. It's because of Obama's high approval numbers among blacks and liberals that his overall numbers are in the mid forty percentage range.

p allen "Whereas sheep follow instruction and direction, many black communities continue to decay despite the positive example of the black family in the White House."

And who are responsible for the decay in the first place allen? I'll let you answer that one.

p allen "I wish it were true that Blacks acted in a cult fashion when it came to economics and business ownership. Cult's and it's members work entirely for the progress and cohesive success of the "CULT.""

Did I show you the video a few months ago of people saying "Obama hear our prayers" when they were praying for the passing of a government health care bill. Did Farrahkan refer to Obama as the Messiah? I do have a very vivid memory allen.

12:23 AM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

Darkstar "The question is, why are Blacks always deemed to be wrong if most polled, seem to agree in one manner?"

Let me answer your question Dark with an analogy. Let's say that a person is sick, so a doctor is summoned to cure the person's illness. The doctor instead of giving the sick person medicine to sure the patient, he gives the person poison that in turn made the patient worse. Now lets say that people realize what the doctor is doing and start to question the doctor's motives. They are outraged that a doctor would do such a thing to a patient. Even with what is going on and the majority of people show anger at the doctor a small group of people continue to support the doctor's use of poison on the patient even though it is clearly making the patient gravely ill. Who's right and who's wrong in this Darkstar?

12:28 AM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

CB;"I meant to say that all blacks that voted for Obama are completely loyal to him".

I'm only going to give you one chance to "reword" that statement...

Oh wait!...never mind...

Go back over some of your essay's, put your foot in your mouth, and listen to Charles Payne, or the black female Cambridge police officer that said she voted for Obama, but no longer supported him.

More examples available by request

12:41 AM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

CB;"Black telling other blacks that if they don't vote Democrat "they are a traitor to their race". Does that ring a bell allen?".

No...it doesn't ring a bell.

This is 2009, and a Black man is president. This is 2009 and plenty of notable blacks are married to whites...many professional athletes for one instance. The 1960's and 70's are over...Ronald Reagan is dead...Barack Obama (the "black man at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., as you put it) is president...get over it!!

You're being taught to make these claims Tyrone. Most blacks could care less who "YOU" vote for. The next time someone says something like that to you, tell them I said they're stupid...

12:51 AM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

CB;"And who are responsible for the decay in the first place allen? I'll let you answer that one".

The people who live there! They don't have an idea of what cohesive and combined efforts could do for the entire community. Instead many blacks have that "just me" mentality. Those who can help to improve the community often give up and leave.

Some wind up like you, looking from the outside, complaining, demeaning and maligning those who they left behind. A lot of good that does...right?

CB;"Did I show you the video a few months ago of people saying "Obama hear our prayers" when they were praying for the passing of a government health care bill".

Health care is need among people who can't afford it...wouldn't you say so?? So for a small group of people to pray for health care for themselves and their children doesn't appear "cultist" to me.

Praying for the DEATH of the THE PRESIDENT is more along the line of a "cult." Where were your essay's on these "cultist" prayers??? But nooooooooooooo! You're too concerned with the "PRAYERS" of "poor blacks" for (what I believe should be a "right") to have decent health care, and ignored stories of "PRAYERS" for the "death" of the president.

CB;"Did Farrahkan refer to Obama as the Messiah? I do have a very vivid memory allen.

The question is "DO YOU BELIEVE" Obama is the Messiah? I certainly don't!

Farrakhan is only one man. Perhaps his followers believe as he does, but that's only about .01% of the black population in the U.S. When the numbers of blacks who believe that get up around,..lets say, ahhh... 5 percent, then call me! I'll manufacture and distribute the dunce hats, free of charge...

1:24 AM  
Anonymous Lovebug said...

Allen,

Let me try to clarify a point for you. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be saying that blacks do not have a group mentality because they don't work together to uplift each other compared to other groups (i.e. Asians, Jews, etc.)

Let me suggest to you the idea that blacks do have a group mentality but instead of being a productive group mentality, it is a self-destructive one. With a self-destructive group mentality, mediocrity is actively and/or passively accepted and in some cases promoted as a way of life or as an integral part of black culture. Therefore, evidence of this group mentality will not be success but rather failure and decay. (i.e. breakdown of the black family)

An example is the Tiger Woods scandal. According to a few media outlets, some blacks took issue with Tiger because all his alleged mistresses were white. (An example of a self-destructive group mentality at work, they didn't have a problem with his rampant adultery but had a problem with the race, which is totally irrelevant, of his mistresses.) As a black person, I felt so embarrassed to hear this. I certainly didn't hear of any Asians calling out Tiger for not having an Asian mistress.

The fact that there are many instances in which black conservatives are referred to as uncle toms, oreos, sellouts, etc is further evidence of a group mentality. Why would black conservatives face such negativity? Whites can be liberal or conservative without being accused of self-hate or betraying their white race. This is because as a black person, one is expected to have a certain political perspective. Therefore, anyone who doesn't follow the program is rebuked.

1:53 AM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

Lovebug;"Let me suggest to you the idea that blacks do have a group mentality but instead of being a productive group mentality, it is a self-destructive one".

That's a fair observation. Yet, a "self-destructive group mentality" is a direct implication of a prophetically ominous idea. Have you read the Willie Lynch letter? Although it may be a fake, the idea is consistent with the circumstances many black communities.

A self-destructive group mentality can only occur under two circumstances.

1. The group banded together and "planned and agreed" on the self destructive act, (eg. drug dealers or users, self destructive sexual habits, criminal activity, joining or participating in a cult, etc...)

2. The group was formed via outside forces which then left them to their own devices, and watched as they drifted into mediocrity and shamelessness due to the groups own ineptitude.

Thus, the "self-destructive group mentality" was devised purposely by blacks, or came about via an outside force. As you've noted, Asians and Jews have productive communities which implies they did so "collectively" as a group. Again, my point is BLACKS DON'T DO THIS!!!!!

There are only two ways to form a "group." Either they come together themselves, or outside forces, or circumstances forms them. Which is it?? If there's another way a "group" of people could have been led, continue to be led, act out, or put on a path of "self-destruction", please explain it to me.

Example;

Lets say you have 20 people in a locked room, and the room started to fill with water. If everyone in the room thought to themselves; "I got to find a way out to save myself", and each person continued their own efforts to escape until the room was completely immersed. So what happens??? They all drown!!! Had they formed a "group" and worked together, the could have found a way to save the "group." This, Lovebug, is what is happening in many Black communities.

1:53 PM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

Lovebug;"The fact that there are many instances in which black conservatives are referred to as uncle toms, oreos, sellouts, etc is further evidence of a group mentality".

As I told Tyrone, the "uncle-tom", sell-out, oreo, complaint is "OLD NEWS"! Most blacks don't care how or what any other black person votes.

The term "uncle-tom" was used to describe a black person who is subservient to whites. Hell, blacks are only 12% of the U.S. population. Ninety percent of the businesses are owned and operated by whites.

So it would be safe to say that "MOST" blacks work for, buy's from, or adheres to the demand of a white person. The principal at the school where I work is white. So I'd guess in some ways, we're all uncle toms.

Moreover, why should it bother you, or even care if a black person calls you an "uncle-tom"? There are white racist groups far larger than any number of blacks that might call you or any other black person an uncle-tom, that refer to all blacks (liberal or conservative) as niggers! Which bothers you more???

What conservative blacks are doing is using an "old cliche" as a shield. Put the shield down and let it term hit you. I guarantee it won't harm you! You wont lose your job, your family, your friends or your investments. However, if you let it bother you, you could lose you mind!!

2:41 PM  
Anonymous Michael said...

Why do blacks continue to make excuses for Barack Obama at every turn?

Flawed question on your part?

Is it possible those blacks you polled see things just a bit different than you?

Surely you can identify and respect a difference of opinion, no?

9:24 PM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

michael qouting me"Why do blacks continue to make excuses for Barack Obama at every turn?

michael "Flawed question on your part?"

You have to present evidence in orde to prove my question is flawed michael. I don't say things just for the fun of it.

Michael "Is it possible those blacks you polled see things just a bit different than you? "

Some people can make a case that by thinking creatively 2+2 can equal 5, does it make it true michael? What I write, I write based on the facts and nothing else. As a black man myself. I don't loyaly make excuses for the people I even support and like. That is where integrity comes in.

michael "Surely you can identify and respect a difference of opinion, no?"

I never claimed that anyone would be monolithic in their views. Being monolithic or diverse in views is different then justifying and making excuses for someone when he or she does wrong.

1:42 AM  
Blogger Michael said...

After having spent some time reading your site early this morning I’ve come to the realization this is probably not the type of blog I was looking for. I happen to be both black and liberal however I’ve always believed we will know we’ve made great strides when we can look across the aisle and see a large number of blacks sitting on the right. Naively I hoped that those who do cross the aisle would recognize the incendiary approach favored by the likes of Limbaugh , Malkin would do “us” more harm than good as we try to improve our lot.

With that out of the way, I do have to ask why you would suggest I provide evidence for my position when you’ve failed to support yours. You’ve stated emphatically that the policies enacted by Obama have extended our economic problems, but have failed to support such a claim. Just because you believe it to be a fact doesn’t make it so, in fact I could very easily argue that his policies have done much to reduce the slide in GDP and have even been responsible for what little growth we’ve had.

I proudly voted for Obama and while he has been less than perfect he has my support and will continue to until I determine that he has failed to accomplish the things I expected him to accomplish, how you could know why I or all the other black folks who voted for him and continue to support him is beyond me however at this stage I imagine you are operating on nothing more than hubris.

I support your political stance and encourage my brothas and sistas to take a hard look towards the right there are many great reasons to do so, however I hope they avoid the demagoguery you’ve demonstrated here as we have to stick together even when we disagree!

5:08 PM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

michael "After having spent some time reading your site early this morning I’ve come to the realization this is probably not the type of blog I was looking for. "

I understand pefectly Michael, that is the wonder part about diversity,

Michael "I happen to be both black and liberal however I’ve always believed we will know we’ve made great strides when we can look across the aisle and see a large number of blacks sitting on the right. Naively I hoped that those who do cross the aisle would recognize the incendiary approach favored by the likes of Limbaugh , Malkin would do “us” more harm than good as we try to improve our lot."

"us" more harm? Please provide some factual evidence to back up that claim michael. I have a story I'm going to post on the how liberalism destroyed the city of Detroit in a few days. It should be a very fascinating read. Liberalism has been the proven greatest enemy to black America since the Klu Klux Klan and the Aryan Nation combined. I have a lot of respect for the likes of Limbaugh and Malkin. I guess I'm a huge fan of common sense thinking. What exactly do you know about Rush Hudson Limbaugh Michael?

Michael "With that out of the way, I do have to ask why you would suggest I provide evidence for my position when you’ve failed to support yours. You’ve stated emphatically that the policies enacted by Obama have extended our economic problems, but have failed to support such a claim. Just because you believe it to be a fact doesn’t make it so, in fact I could very easily argue that his policies have done much to reduce the slide in GDP and have even been responsible for what little growth we’ve had."

If you would have read the content of my blog as you claimed you've done Michael, you would have seen I posted evidence to completely back up every word I wrote. Here's an example. I stated that by Obama spending trillions of dollars via his fake stimulus bill, the omnibus spending bill, the continued bailout of AIG, CITIBANK, FREDDIE MAC and FANNIE MAE along with the government taking over GM and owning a majority of Chyrsler the valuation of the dollar has been a a steep decline. The prices of everything is going up because of the dollar losing it's value. That is why gold and other precious metal commodities are at a near all time. As the price continues to increase, the buying power of consumers decrease. People don't have the disposable income as they did five years ago. People will on spend now what they money will allow them to spend. With that being said. 2/3rds of GDP consists of consumer spending. As people spend less the economy contracts or grows at a very slow rate. So there is you "evidence" michael. As I stated earlier, I just don't attack Obama for the hell of it.

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5:34 PM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

ichael "I proudly voted for Obama and while he has been less than perfect he has my support and will continue to until I determine that he has failed to accomplish the things I expected him to accomplish, how you could know why I or all the other black folks who voted for him and continue to support him is beyond me however at this stage I imagine you are operating on nothing more than hubris."

A proud Obama supporter. I guess you can count yourself as among the 47% that still does support him. You can take pride also in the fact that you voted for a man that wants to sign into law a health care bill that his hugely unpopular with 65% of the American people. Way go, yay!!!

michael "how you could know why I or all the other black folks who voted for him and continue to support him is beyond me however at this stage I imagine you are operating on nothing more than hubris."

Listening to the comments of black Obama supporters provide the obvious evidence to support what I said. Frankly I have yet to be proven wrong. I have yet to encounter to black Obama supporter who said that Obama's skin color didn't play a factor in their vote. My evidence on how Obama has been treated by the songs created in his owner to the schools renamed after him further validated what I said. I asked a very fundamental question by people like you who I guess are offended by my statement. What makes Obama any different then any other liberal who has run for President. That question continues to stump black Obama supporters. Because by them not giving any illustrations or examples, it proves that the admiration towards Obama is"skin deep".

5:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

excellent article! you speak the truth. period. as a mulatto woman, i am disgusted every time my black father calls me and goes on and on and on about obama and lists a million reasons for why he's accomplished next to nothing in 3 years. obama is weak, imcompetent and just simply does not have what it takes to be a leader and it boggles my mind that a large majority of blacks STILL refuse to see this and cannot and will not admit that they are getting screwed like every other american. @plum pudding, conservative brother and lovebug, yes-the "group mentality" way of thinking is very prevelant in the black community and everybody knows it. (except p. allen apparantly) like lovebug mentioned, there have been numerous cases of black celebs being accused of serious crimes and no matter what, they ALWAYS have the black community's undying love and support. chris brown and r.kelly were mentioned. how about michael jackson and o.j. simpson? anyways, blacks have got to stop this way of thinking! it's poison and i agree with lovebug that they would rather cry racism. this same mindset is why alot of blacks stay stuck and rarely progress. conservative brother is 100% correct in everything that he says about blacks with obama. thank god he's black himself or i'm sure he would be called a racist like everyone else who is non-black and disagrees with obama's policies. obama is ALL TALK, NO ACTION and another 4 years of him will surely destroy america!

8:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i had to come back back here (i'm the person from the last post) because i experienced something that proves what everyone is saying here. on sodahead, there was a question about what obama has accomplished so far (the question was asked by a person with the screenname obama 2012)and there was a black guy who said something to the effect of " obama couldn't run a kool-aid stand". anyways, obama 2012 replied that he thought this user's picture was a fake and i asked obama 2012 why he though that-because the person was black and dared say something bad about obama and instead of answering my question, HE BLOCKED ME!!!! yep, that's right, he blocked me because he couldn't answer the question because it would just confirm what everyone already knows-that in the black community, you HAVE to support whoever has your skin color and anything else is unimportant. SAD.

2:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was raised a democrat and have been one all my life, but after reading everyone's comments here, it really makes me reevaluate things and i'll tell you why. black republicans don't point fingers, make excuses and blame others for everything. when tyrone asked "and who is responsible for the decay in the first place", i have to admit that a black democrat would never in a million years say anything like that! they would rather make every single excuse for why the black community is in the shape it's in. the way that black democrats blame bush, republicans, congress, white america and anything else they can think of as the reason for obama failing as president (and NOONE can deny that he's failed as our so-called "leader" anymore) is proof of how the majority of them think. my relatives like to talk about republicans with "all that money" but guess what? THEY EARNED IT! and not by making excuses and blaming everybody for THEIR mistakes! black republicans don't have that victim, white man-holding me down attitude, which is why they are successfull. they don't sit on their a** and talk about how "the white man" has everything-they get out and get theirs too! at any rate, i am absolutely disgusted with my fellow democrats and am really thinking of turning my back on this pathetic party (yep, i said it) once and for all.

12:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it's not just blacks, but also white dems/ libs that have that sheeplike mentality and despite everything, still have that undying devotion to the worst president in history. libs are making fools of themselves trying to defend obama and at this point, i honestly belive that they would follow him right off a cliff. that's how in denial they are. i don't know what more they need to realize that obama is a cancer eating away at the american flesh. the man bows down to foreign arab muslim kings, has done NOTHING for the economy, apaologizes to the people that burn our flags and kill our ambassador, is trying to cut our military strength, passed on the keystone pipeline, has spent more in 3+ years than all prior presidents combined and is just an all around failure and despite all of this, they still refuse to accept the truth. it's scary. over the past 4 years, democrats have acted very cult-like. most cults think their "leader" or messiah" can do no wrong, so i think it's an accurate description. even after obama's pathetically embarrassing "performance" at his first debate hasn't swayed them. anyone with a sound mind could see who the REAL leader was there. obama proved that without the props, the speechwriters and his trusty teleprompter that he doesn't have a clue. he showed his true colors that night, he's just a rank amatuer punk and the liberal media that have coddled him for the past 4 years couldn't save him either. for the FIRST time, on national tv, he was held accountable and he had no defense for all of his failures. he has nothing to stand on. 4 years of sh*t. not only that, but his disdain for america and her people is impossible to miss. he flaunts it to our enemies. obama is NOT one of us, a blind man could see that. america is fed up, and the polls reflect that. (thank god!)and libs, PLEASE just accept the fact that your "messiah" has failed and move on-for your own sanity.

7:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

latest new-actress stacey dash gets flack from black community for backing romney. enough said.

4:11 AM  

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