Tuesday, February 23, 2010

Why conservatives need to cut Scott Brown some slack in his support of the Democrats "Jobs Bill".

I know I'm going to caught some heat for what I am about to say, but it needs to be said. Scott Brown hasn't even been in office a full month hardly, yet conservatives already have their knives out ready to cut him down. Notice I didn't say that liberals are ready to cut him down. Here's why some on the right are fit to be tied in regards to Scott Brown. Scott is supporting the Democrat's scaled back $15 billion dollar jobs bill. It doesn't take a gobber to understand that this bill isn't going to create any private sector jobs at all. I believe I understand why Scott is supporting it, but I am really all that concerned that he is supporting. Originally, the bill was as high as $85 billion dollars. These days $15 billion dolalrs is literally chump change when the government is involved. Conservatives need to take a deep breath and calm down. I rather have Scott show bipartisanship on a weak non important bill like the Democrats $15 billion jobs bill then him supporting a socialist healthcare bill worth over a $1 trillion dollars. Furthermore, Scott Brown is from of course Massachusetts. Nobody in their right mind thinks for a minute that Scott is a solid conservative do they? For him to have campaigned as such would have meant a harsh defeat in ultra liberal Massachusetts. Think of it this way. An elected conservative in Massachusetts is going to be a little different then an elected conservative from a conservative state. Senators like Richard Shelby and Jeff Sessions of Alabama can afford to vote according to their conservative principals 100% of the time, because their state of Alabama is a solidly conservative state. People in Massachusetts on the other hand are made up of mostly independent voters, and they will be looking for Scott Brown to "reach across the asile" from time to time. As I said before, it's ok for him to reach across the asile on weak legislation that won't do any harm to the country. Conservatives for the most part who have a problem with Brown's decission need to give the guy a break and look at the bigger picture.

10 Comments:

Blogger DarkStar said...

You lose all credibility.

11:05 PM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

Darkstar "You lose all credibility."

Coming from a person who's an independent one day and then a moderate republican the next, your one to talk about credibility darkstar. Let me see if I am comprehending this right. So I have posted hundreds of stories and thousands of responses to the commentaries I wrote for over six years, and "NOW" I supposedly lost credibility in your eyes Darkstar? lol lol lol Thanks for the laugh brother, it was good. I know my commentary on Scott Brown was more then four words unlike your "response" Darkstar. Do you think the next time Darkstar, you can actually go beyond your four words in actually "explaining" how I supposedly "lose all credibility". In other words just saying it without proving it doesn't work. I just though I'd let you know that. :-) Then again liberals are famous for saying things without proving them, isn't that right Darkstar?

12:07 AM

12:19 AM  
Blogger DarkStar said...

From the start it was clear that he is not a conservative. He supports abortion in some circumstances. He likes Romney-care. He SAID he would go against Republican "core ideals" in some cases. I'm not surprised he did what he did. It was bound to happen.

But it was some Tea Party people and many more Republican loyalists who insisted Brown was a good thing for Republicans DESPITE THE FACT HE DIDN'T CAMPAIGN AS A REPUBLICAN.
Does he even pass the litmus test talked about?

Your support of Brown shows you are a Republican before you are a conservative.

And, for the record, AGAIN, I have NEVER labeled my political beliefs be it liberal, moderate, conservative, libertarian, or populist, all which OTHERS have labeled me.

1:30 AM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

Ahhh, Tyrone...do you have an "auto-response" header with p allen plugged in?? Every response you gave to Darkstar started with "p allen."

CB;"I rather have Scott show bipartisanship on a weak non important bill like the Democrats $15 billion jobs bill then him supporting a socialist healthcare bill worth over a $1 trillion dollars".

So $15 billion government dollars doled out to the country to put people to work is "not socialist". But $1 trillion to keep people healthy is "socialist"???

9:14 AM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

Darkstar "From the start it was clear that he is not a conservative. He supports abortion in some circumstances. He likes Romney-care. He SAID he would go against Republican "core ideals" in some cases. I'm not surprised he did what he did. It was bound to happen."

In some cases is right. He campaigned more so as an "independent voice". Think about it for Darkstar. In a state that is mostly made up of registered independent voters, doesn't it make sense politically for Scott Brown to NOT be a rubber stamp for the GOP?

Darkstar "But it was some Tea Party people and many more Republican loyalists who insisted Brown was a good thing for Republicans DESPITE THE FACT HE DIDN'T CAMPAIGN AS A REPUBLICAN.
Does he even pass the litmus test talked about?"

Scott Brown campaigned on several key planks. One was to be the crucial vote AGAINST Obama care correct? Scott never campaigned on the platform that he was going be a partisan vote on every issue. Tea Party folks need to understand that if it weren't for Scott Brown, Obamacare would have been signed into law by now, because Scazzafava would have voted for Obamacare if she would have won. I remember when Michael Steele ran for the Senate. Conservatives from out of Maryland were telling how glad they were the Steele was running and how much a conservative he is. I told them that if Steele wins, they might be disappointed on somethings he would do as a Senator. Even though Steele lost, he moderated his message during his campaign, because he knew he was running in a state that is 2 to 1 Democrat over Republican. Hell, there are people in this state that call former governor Bob Ehrlich a conservative. If Bob is a conservative, then I'm a liberal. I also remember people in the GOP like Bob Dole trying to pass off John McCain as a conservative.

Darkstar" Your support of Brown shows you are a Republican before you are a conservative."

My support for Brown shows that I see the bigger picture and I pick my battles. Do I care about stopping some meaningless job bill or a healthcare bill that will bankrupt this country and socialize healthcare? Gee decisions decisions darkstar. Oh for the record, if I was a partisan that cares more about party then being a conservative. Why did I come out early on and support Doug Hoffman in the NY 23 race,hmm? If I am such a loyal partisan, why did I say four years ago that Republicans deserved to have lost control of congress? If I was such a partisan Darkstar, why did I call George Bush who was the leader of the Republican Party five years ago, "poison to the party"? If I am such a partisan, why did I trash John McCain up and down during his 2008 campaign? If I am such a partisan why do I support Sarah Palin when the Republican party bosses like Romney? This is why your logic is beyond flawed darkstar. I have a proven track record of being consistent in my views and not being a party hack, thank you very much.

Darkstar "And, for the record, AGAIN, I have NEVER labeled my political beliefs be it liberal, moderate, conservative, libertarian, or populist, all which OTHERS have labeled me".

Aren't you calling yourself a moderate Republicans these days darkstar? Why not just call yourself a "moderate independent"hmmm?

1:55 PM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

p allen "Ahhh, Tyrone...do you have an "auto-response" header with p allen plugged in?? Every response you gave to Darkstar started with "p allen.""

I corrected it. I was commenting on two separate responses made by both of you. The comment style by both of you are actually pretty similar allen. You both write comments lacking facts. I've gotten use to it though.

CB;"I rather have Scott show bipartisanship on a weak non important bill like the Democrats $15 billion jobs bill then him supporting a socialist healthcare bill worth over a $1 trillion dollars".

p allen "So $15 billion government dollars doled out to the country to put people to work is "not socialist". But $1 trillion to keep people healthy is "socialist"???"

It's not socialist because the amount is a drop in the pocket. The secret is out allen. The government can jump start the private sector. It never could. The government can't lift anyone out of poverty, so why in the hell would anyone be mental enough to believe that the government can create jobs in the private sector and also take care of people with health care? If the idiots in congress cared so much about providing you quality health care allen, why won't they sign on to have the same identical government run health care as you would have? Process that allen. Even the Canadians are dissatisfied with their national healthcare system. Try clapping with one hand allen, because you can't have quality cutting edge health care in one hand and rationing to save costs in the other. The two can't go together.

2:05 PM  
Blogger DarkStar said...

Focus, Tyrone!

Aren't you calling yourself a moderate Republicans these days darkstar?

I've never called myself moderate, or liberal, or conservative, or libertarian, or populist. People have called me those things but I never call myself those and I always, like now, refuse the label.

10:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tyrone,what are you going to do when you find out it's not about the conservatives & liberals , blacks and whites it's about how did we get in this position and who are the players that lead us here.Washington needs to change the way they do things.Everything should not be for large profits and bonuses.Some things should be for what's best for America.Surely you will agree a healthy America is a wealthy America.

8:47 AM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

Darkstar "Focus, Tyrone!I've never called myself moderate, or liberal, or conservative, or libertarian, or populist. People have called me those things but I never call myself those and I always, like now, refuse the label."

I'm more then focused Darkstar, I assure you of that. So what you are saying is that you don't really stand for anything right Darkstar? I have no problem at all calling myself a paleo conservative. That is what I am based on my ideological views. My values are what I stand for. I have no problem defending my views. The old saying goes "a person who will stand for nothing will fall for anything". Now according to Shay over at Booker Rising, you are described as a "moderate republican". Now if you claim that you aren't as being described by Shay, are you going to send her an email and ask her "correct" your description darkstar"?hmmmm Normally people who say that don't like being labeled are normally ashamed of the label they have been given based on their views, I wonder.

9:11 AM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

anonymous "Tyrone,what are you going to do when you find out it's not about the conservatives & liberals , blacks and whites it's about how did we get in this position and who are the players that lead us here.Washington needs to change the way they do things.Everything should not be for large profits and bonuses.Some things should be for what's best for America.Surely you will agree a healthy America is a wealthy America."

Here's the thing anon, it is about liberal vs conservative more so then it is about republican vs democrat. It is ideology that shapes a country's political views and it's societies cultural views as well. Some people might think that this is nothing more then some "political game", which it is not be a long shot. It makes no sense at all that people in congress have been there for 20, 30,40 and in some cases over 50 years! Congress as an approval rating of 10% yet the people only have themselves to blame, because it is them that every 2 to 6 years are the ones who pull the lever to re elect the problems right back into power.

9:18 AM  

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