Black teen flash mobs are racist in nature, so why aren't they being reported as such?
If you've been watching the news coverage from the national media, chances are you haven't heard one thing about the crop of racially motivated flash mob attacks that have been happening recently. A week ago, a large crowd of black youths targeted and beat up white patrons at the Wisconsin State Fair.
Some in the media who are sparsely covering these events are claiming that these flash mob attacks are being committed out of "economic necessity". In other words ,the economy is making them do it. Leave it to progressive thinking to once again excuse bad behavior.
These attacks didn't start this year. They've been happening for several years now. Here's a story of a white family jumped an beaten just last year in Akron Ohio.
The attacks are clearly racially motivated. It's pathetic that I have to do the job and report what the national media won't report. They don't want to report what the red blazing neon sign in the room reads, the teenagers committing these racial attacks are "BLACK"! If the roles were reversed, the media would be tripping over itself to report that fact that the attackers were white and that the attacks were "hate crimes". The media is continuing to give people a valid reason not to trust their reporting. I've been trying to put my finger on what is the fuel for these flash mob attacks, and I can't think of a logical reason. The NAACP and the Urban League have been silent on this. The race pimps are nowhere to be found. I guess Sharpton is still trying to master reading words off a teleprompter or something. I predict things are gong to escalate if these flash mobs continue. A black flash mob teen is going to eventually attack a white person who is carrying a gun for his or her protection, and that white person is going to use it and kill that black teen attacker. Then and only then will the media, the race hustling industry actually speak out, but they won't speak out like one would think. They will attack the white person who shot the black teen in self defense. Ignoring this problem won't make it simply go away. The attacks are getting bolder and more frequent, and it's just a matter of time before the powder keg blows. In the back of my mind, I wonder are these black teens attacking whites, because they somehow in a warped way feel empowered, because Barack Obama is president. I don't tolerate racism regardless. The same way whites who attacked blacks during the civil rights era and pre civil rights era was barbaric and immoral, it doesn't make it any less barbaric and immoral for black teen to act in a similar fashion toward innocent white people. It's an embarrassment, and this type of behavior needs to stop!
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 1:20 PM
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Hmm what about the black man that was run over by a pickup truck and killed by a bunch of White Teens?
Let me make this perfectly clear; THE ACTIONS OF THESE "KIDS" IS A GODDAMN SHAME! THERE ARE NO "EXCUSE'S" FOR RANDOM ACTS OF VIOLENCE. However, there are "reasons."
That being said, once again Tyrone conservative ideology has you barking up the wrong tree. Not once...NOT ONCE in your essay did you touch on the real problem's (which are not excuse's) that are the direct causes of this type of behavior.
1. The lack of proper and decent parenting.
2. Most, possibly are from single parent (mother only) families.
3. Positive male role models.
4. Economic instability where they live.
5. Lack of proper education.
6. Lack of proper spiritual guidance.
If you really care about a solution, the aforementioned is what you need address. As you typically do, (via instruction)blowing the racial dog whistle you ask; "where's the NAACP, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson," and so on, when the question should be, "where are the fathers, mothers, politicians, job creators, educators and churches."
What do you expect Al Sharpton to do? March to D.C. with the white victims singing "We Shall Overcome?" Should the white victims sue the NAACP for negligent compliance with a mob of teenagers? If that's what you want, how in the hell will that put a father in the home, educate a child, or even prevent further violence?
You should read the entire article you linked to. It's not a "progressives excuse for bad behavior." It shows the "reasons" why these kids act this way.
But are not the progressives trying to take God away from our families. This all started in the 60s. Since then i think we have seen the decay of the family unit and a lack of interest in Church attendance. There seems to be connections there when one looks deeply.
And Allen, using God's name in vain does not help matters at all.
On another note, you claim these mobbers are "racist in nature" as if race is the motivating factor for their stupid behavior. Yet, you are WRONG AGAIN!!
Most, if not all, of these kids probably has never experienced real racism in their very short lives. Tyrone you live in Baltimore and I'm sure you know that most lower-class black communities are crime ridden. The reason that these thugs have for committing crimes transcends race. It's all about "gettin' yours" no matter who they rob, steal from, or hurt.
The "flash Mob" phenomenon is an extension of what they normally experience in their own neighborhoods. Whats happened is that they've moved into public area's, frequented by not just whites, but all races.
For the most part these kids have attended all black schools and live in all black neighborhoods.
Whites aren't necessarily being targeted because they're white, they're being targeted because the appear defenseless and vulnerable.
Attempting to label these stupid kids as racist can only incite an even more bitter racism...HISTORIC RACISM. The only thing that could happen is an equal and opposite reaction.
If the major media outlets were to convince a majority (70% of the country is white) that black youth gangs are out to harm whites, what do you think groups like the KKK, Aryan Brotherhood, Skin Heads, ect..., what do you think they would do?
Tyrone, do you really think a Klan member would look at you at first glance and say, "oh, he's a conservative, he hates racism." Maybe they'll ask you to help "weed out" all the bad blacks, so you all could live together in harmony....
I can't think of a logical reason.
I can. Because they can. It's the Ring of Gyges (cloak of invisibility).
Plato, "Republic"
According to the tradition, Gyges was a shepherd in the service of the king of Lydia; there was a great storm, and an earthquake made an opening in the earth at the place where he was feeding his flock. Amazed at the sight, he descended into the opening, where, among other marvels, he beheld a hollow brazen horse, having doors, at which he stooping and looking in saw a dead body of stature, as appeared to him, more than human, and having nothing on but a gold ring; this he took from the finger of the dead and reascended. Now the shepherds met together, according to custom, that they might send their monthly report about the flocks to the king; into their assembly he came having the ring on his finger, and as he was sitting among them he chanced to turn the collet of the ring inside his hand, when instantly he became invisible to the rest of the company and they began to speak of him as if he were no longer present. He was astonished at this, and again touching the ring he turned the collet outwards and reappeared; he made several trials of the ring, and always with the same result—when he turned the collet inwards he became invisible, when outwards he reappeared. Whereupon he contrived to be chosen one of the messengers who were sent to the court; whereas soon as he arrived he seduced the queen, and with her help conspired against the king and slew him, and took the kingdom. Suppose now that there were two such magic rings, and the just put on one of them and the unjust the other; no man can be imagined to be of such an iron nature that he would stand fast in justice. No man would keep his hands off what was not his own when he could safely take what he liked out of the market, or go into houses and lie with any one at his pleasure, or kill or release from prison whom he would, and in all respects be like a God among men. Then the actions of the just would be as the actions of the unjust; they would both come at last to the same point. And this we may truly affirm to be a great proof that a man is just, not willingly or because he thinks that justice is any good to him individually, but of necessity, for wherever any one thinks that he can safely be unjust, there he is unjust. For all men believe in their hearts that injustice is far more profitable to the individual than justice, and he who argues as I have been supposing, will say that they are right. If you could imagine any one obtaining this power of becoming invisible, and never doing any wrong or touching what was another's, he would be thought by the lookers-on to be a most wretched idiot, although they would praise him to one another's faces, and keep up appearances with one another from a fear that they too might suffer injustice. Enough of this.
Political Correctness in the MSM has granted these kids a cloak of invisibility.... similar to that enjoyed by corrupt Democratic politicians.
I have read this blog for months and agree with everything Tyrone has posted during that time. I don't understand P.A.A. at all and your comment illustrates why you confuse me. You say Tyrone's conservative ideology has him barking up the wrong tree but have you considered the probable cause of the 'reasons' you listed?
1. The lack of proper and decent parenting.
2. Most, possibly are from single parent (mother only) families.
3. Positive male role models.
What has led black parents to improper and indecent parenting amd why are the kids being raised in single parent homes? Where did the fathers and male role models go? There was a time not so long ago where black people were the poorest of the poor, with little opportunity and yet, black families were nuclear in much greater numbers than compared with present society. Did the social programs do long term good or harm?
4. Economic instability where they live.
5. Lack of proper education.
6. Lack of proper spiritual guidance.
Which ideology is (largely) overseeing education? Conservatives or liberals? How can these kids lack a proper education when it is free and administered by the party which receives the overwhelming majority of the black vote? Have conservatives been crying for seperation of church and state the last 50 years? Did conservatives push prayer out of schools? When was the last time a liberal was an advocate for faith-based schools?
You see, P.A.A, it is precisely the ideology that you promote that has been at the root of the reasons you cite. And that is why you confuse me.
ridiculous, disappointing and unacceptable. This is another failure of the democratic plantation with it's welfare induced mind-control of the disadvantaged populace.
These so call KIDS are old enough to know right from wrong, stop making excuses for bad behavior. The herd mentality is destroying many young blacks. How do you teach people that think they know it all? The comment about Sharpton, and Jackson was a play on words, because they only open their mouths when it benefits them. I do not expect anything from them. They have been hustling society since the seventies.
anon "Hmm what about the black man that was run over by a pickup truck and killed by a bunch of White Teens?"
If that would have happened, the national media would have been all over it. I've haven't heard anything about that incident. Can you post the link to the story?
p allen "That being said, once again Tyrone conservative ideology has you barking up the wrong tree. Not once...NOT ONCE in your essay did you touch on the real problem's (which are not excuse's) that are the direct causes of this type of behavior."
I've barked up the wrong tree? Oh really allen, do tell me how so. I recall saying I wasn't sure why these black flash mobs are doing what they are doing. Reread what I wrote allen. I am trying to figure out the answer.
p allen "1. The lack of proper and decent parenting.
2. Most, possibly are from single parent (mother only) families.
3. Positive male role models.
4. Economic instability where they live.
5. Lack of proper education.
6. Lack of proper spiritual guidance."
Thank you for describing the problems liberalism creates in the black community allen. Let's take number five. You said lack of proper education. Progressives have controlled the public education systems in this country for how many decades. Remember the story about how thousands of students in Atlanta were herded thorough the Atlanta Public School system like sheep by having their failing grades changed to passing one? As for number one, isn't it conservatives who are the ones advocating that the father take responsibility for the children he creates? All I hear from inner city young people is talk about "my baby daddy or momma". Let's take number four. Who's causing the economic instability allen? Are the government welfare goodies that progressives champion helping people in poverty to escape it? Progressives have been fighting the war on poverty for almost fifty years now with no positive results to show for it. Another failure. Let's address number six. Progressives ridicule people who have strong faith. Do the terms "jesus freak, bible thumpers" ring a bell? Progressives believe people who believe in a higher power and not evolution are freaks or people who believe in a "fairy tail". As for number three, people like Condi Rice, Benjamin Carson can't be positive role models in the black community.Those jobs belong to those gangster rappers, not those who make something positive out of their lives allen.
anon "These so call KIDS are old enough to know right from wrong, stop making excuses for bad behavior."
Exactly!!
anon "The herd mentality is destroying many young blacks. How do you teach people that think they know it all?"
When people subscribe to a group think mentality, this is the end result. If a teen would have decided that he or she didn't want to take part in what the others were going to do, he or she would be attacked for deciding to be an outcast from the ones who were going to commit the crimes.
anon "The comment about Sharpton, and Jackson was a play on words, because they only open their mouths when it benefits them. I do not expect anything from them. They have been hustling society since the seventies."
Pimp and Hustle absolutely make their walking around money from causing racial tension. They aren't problem solvers or uniters, they are parasites.
Shannon;"You say Tyrone's conservative ideology has him barking up the wrong tree but have you considered the probable cause of the 'reasons' you listed?".
For once someone has asked the right question!
Of course I have considered the "probable causes." I have worked, and continue to work with Black youth, for the past 28 years. The main problem within the black community is the lack of UNITY.
Contrary to the falsely contrived conservative talking-point, black unity, and many black communities are not representative of what's called the Black Democratic voting bloc. Unlike the Arab, Asian, Jewish, Greek, Eastern European immigrant communities, blacks don't form cohesive community binds.
Example; Here in Detroit we have on of the largest Arab immigrant communities in the country.
SOCIALLY: Basically self explanatory. For the most part, Arabs from all walks of life will remain within their communities. Shop owners, teachers, city workers, lawyers, physicians, gas station workers, all live within and participate in the community.
In many black neighborhoods, no sooner that we get a high paying job, or increased income, we leave the neighborhood. In most situations it's to move around whites.
ECONOMICALLY; In west Dearborn the streets are lined with Arab cultural shops ranging from foods to clothing to furniture to doctors, lawyers, repairs shops, appliances...the list goes on. Basically, an person of Arab descent does not need to leave his own community to get what he wants or needs.
In Detroit, the majority of the small businesses (gas stations, grocery and party stores, restaurants, small shops, etc...) are owned by Arabs. We don't invest nor place a priority in owning businesses within our own communities.
POLITICALLY: There are two persons of Arab descent on the Dearborn city council, and the police chief is also of Arab descent. Local Arab community organizations are plentiful, and enjoy widespread support from the community and it's leaders.
Many of the black politicians and so-called leaders are corrupt and self serving. In the end, the entire community pays the price for these corrupt assholes.
EDUCATIONALLY: As their community grew, Arab children became the majority in the Dearborn School District. Although they rate somewhere in the middle in standardize test scores, they still out perform Detroit schools. There is very rarely a violent incident in their schools, and parent participation is around 90%.
In the black community, schools have become baby-sitting services. There is little to none parental or community involvement. The kids simply reflect this apathetic view. Mom, nor Dad (if he's around) places particular demands on the child to get to school on time, attend class, nor do homework. Hell, I've had kids that would never do homework, or even take a book home for the entire school year, and the parent would not voice the slightest concern... to the kid or the school!.
SPIRITUALLY: There are several Mosques in Dearborn. Yet they all are connected and support one central organization of worship.
In Detroit there must be at least 3000 churches, most of them storefronts. It's safe to say that the storefronts have absolutely no affiliation with on another. As for the "Mega-Churches" (Greater Grace, Hartford Memorial, Little Rock Baptist, Second Ebenezer, to name a few) each have "for profit" holdings that receives tax credits for themselves and their investors. Basically, they could give "less than a damn about the community if it don't make money".
Until we as blacks begin to work together, SOCIALLY, POLITICALLY, ECONOMICALLY, EDUCATIONALLY AND SPIRITUALLY, we will never turn the tide of destitute.
I have to give one Progressive politician for speaking out on racially motivated flash mobs (there have been quite a few in the Philadelphia area.) Mayor Nutter of Philadelphia spoke out at a church saying:
"You’ve damaged yourself, you’ve damaged another person, you’ve damaged your peers and, quite honestly, you’ve damaged your own race. You damaged your own race."
"If you want . . . anybody else to respect you and not be afraid when they see you walking down the street, then leave the innocent people who are walking down the street minding their own damn business—leave them alone."
"Parents who neglect their children, who don’t know where they are, who don’t know what they’re doing, who don’t know who they’re hanging out with, you’re going to find yourself spending some quality time with your kids in jail . . . Maybe you’re sending them a check or bringing some cash by, that’s not being a father . . . And if you’re not providing the guidance and you’re not sending any money, you’re just a sperm donor."
Refreshing to say the least. Hopefully, that's not falling on deaf ears.
Here's an article on his speech here:
Mayor Nutter Blasts Violent Flash Mobs
Here's a blog featuring more of the quotes from Nutter's speech on flash mobs:
Michael Nutter Saves the City
IMO, it sounds like the Arab Moslems in Dearborn have circumscribed their lives to that which exists within the sphere and tenets of Islam. The Blacks in Dearborn have not. They have no similar cultural lifeline to restrict their behaviours and assist in their cultural survival. The ex-slaves value their "liberty" too highly, and so believe that they must never LIMIT their lives and/or liberties in any way, marriage, loyalty to employer, etc.. Why restrict your love life to one woman, when you can have 100? Why work at one job your entire life when you can work 100 part-time jobs and get-rich quick schemes?
If you can't control yourself and self-limit, OTHERS (like the police) will have to do it for you.
Sounds like the desire to escape the "slavery experience" of their ancestors and not be thought of as slaves is making them slaves to debt/credit and their own impulses.
Jes' sayin'...
...and any Black person who would deliberately circumscribe his life and LIMIT himself in any way (experience/opportunity) cannot be "authentically black"... for an "authentically black" person would never sell his "freedom" for ANYTHING limiting, even if it is SELF-limiting. Self-limiters are "sell-outs".
Why LIMIT your sales opportunities to the "Black Community"? You some kind of slave-chump-fool?
But if you did, you'd probably have a much bigger chance of being successful... because you would "know" your market and not speculate/chase external opportunities to NOT know your market and go bankrupt.
There's a lot to be said for "knowing your limits"... but not a LOT to be said for "having none".
Until we as blacks begin to work together, SOCIALLY, POLITICALLY, ECONOMICALLY, EDUCATIONALLY AND SPIRITUALLY, we will never turn the tide of destitute.
...And this will never happen until the black family is restored. All groups who have suffered discrimination in America and have survived that discrimination and excelled have done so because the family unit was intact.
For example look at the Jewish and Asian history in America. Jews lived in segregated ghettos upon immigration from Europe and through family, faith and education lifted themselves out of their condition. As they reached new socio-economic heights, they moved out of the ghetto and into the suburbs around protestants. So, what you describe about blacks moving up and moving out is nothing unique....it is the way it has always been and will always be. Asians, have a close knit family and also value education and have done extremely well as a group.
Jewish and Asian groups didn't need " to work together, SOCIALLY, POLITICALLY, ECONOMICALLY, EDUCATIONALLY AND SPIRITUALLY,..." They needed a family that was stable and leaders in that family that valued education and assimilation. They were not chastised for 'selling out' or 'not being authentic'.
I am mad as hell that the liberal good intentions have destroyed the black family. And I hope, that all the social programs will dry up soon so that family can be restored fully.
For every instance of blacks attacking whites I can show you a million incidents where a mob of angry white demons have killed blacks.
Shannon:"There was a time not so long ago where black people were the poorest of the poor, with little opportunity and yet, black families were nuclear in much greater numbers than compared with present society".
Very true! But welfare programs had very little to do with breaking up the family. Moreover, I want you to think about what you just stated. Really think about it because I'm going to show you exactly why the black nuclear family is now almost non-existent.
"Integration" did more to harm black communities than welfare could have ever done. That's not to imply that integration was harmful in the sense of allowing blacks Civil Rights. It's to say that integration was directly responsible for the black upper and middle class abandoning what once were thriving black areas and communities.
From Paradise Valley and Black Bottom.
"By 1920, African-Americans owned 350 businesses in Detroit, including a movie theater, the only black-owned pawn shop in the United States, a co-op grocery and a bank. The community also had 17 physicians, 22 lawyers, 22 barber shops, 13 dentists, 12 cartage agencies, 11 tailors, 10 restaurants, 10 real estate dealers, eight grocers, six drug stores, five undertakers, four employment offices, a few garages and a candy maker". The same type of Black communities existed across America during the same era.
There is one part of liberal ideology that surely harmed Blacks. It's the idea of "INTEGRATING." After the Civil Rights Movement, the prevailing idea among many blacks was to integrate. When instead our focus should have been on "INNOVATING." In almost every major city in the 1920's, 30's and 40's blacks own businesses, educated ourselves, ran our own political platforms, dealt effectively with our own social issues, and worshiped together in our communities.
Instead, our best and brightest contracted what I call the "George Jefferson Syndrome." They saw integration as a means to further themselves, without regard even to the people who had helped him along the way.
Do you remember you said blacks at one time had nuclear families, were poor and still remained together? Let me ask you this;
Which occurred first, the breakdown of the once thriving business, political, social, educational and spiritual black communities (which I've shown, and history shows they existed), or the breakdown of the black family?
THE BLACK SOCIAL, ECONOMIC, EDUCATION, POLITICAL AND SPIRITUAL STRUCTURES WERE THE "FIRST" TO FALL. WITHOUT THESE CORE STRUCTURES, IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THE FAMILY FOLLOWED SUIT!
I outlined each factor that the black community needs to adhere to and address, to which, all of you have shown that you agree! Thus, none of you here can deny that what I've stated about integration as being misleading representation or as being a false conclusion.
-but of course some of you will dispute the facts, because you're "conservatives."
Thersites;"The ex-slaves value their "liberty" too highly, and so believe that they must never LIMIT their lives and/or liberties in any way, marriage, loyalty to employer, etc".
Huuuuh? What ex-slaves? I don't know any ex-slaves.
Thersites;"Why LIMIT your sales opportunities to the "Black Community"? You some kind of slave-chump-fool?".
Who said limit sales opportunities to "any community?" If you give "people" good service, a good product at a fair price, people will come to you to patronize you. That's how it works in America. I'm surprised you didn't know that...
I sometimes shop in Dearborn. I also frequent a restaurant there that has a delightful Fattoush salad. They too enjoy the patronage of dollars coming from outside the community. Perhaps it's different where you live... would that be the North Pole?
CB said-A black flash mob teen is going to eventually attack a white person who is carrying a gun for his or her protection, and that white person is going to use it and kill that black teen attacker.
This reminds me back in 1984, a white man Bernard Goetz who was dubbed the "Subway Vigilante", when he shot and wounded four black teenagers; one of them wound up paralyzed.
For a long time Goetz was tired of getting robbed and mugged so he purchased an unlicensed handgun.
These four teens had an outstanding criminal record, and who comes to their aid? None other than Al Sharpton.
Goetz was found not guilty for self-defense but was guilty of possessing an illegal firearm.
The youths sued Goetz for aggravated assault, which he filed bankruptcy over.
The reason why the media, and the authorities didn't call this a "hate crime" and kept it silent was because they don't want a "race war".
During the L.A. riots back in 1992, four black men dubbed "The L.A. Four", who attacked, and pulled out white trucker Reginald Denny and smashed cinder blocks and debris on his skull, leaving him brain damage, the media and black leadership groups were lenient toward these men.
Their excuse was "100 years of black oppression" has caught up with them", which is a cop-out!
P. Anthony Allen said: 1. The lack of proper and decent parenting.
I can name a few people who had loving parents and became known serial killers: Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, Jeffery Dahmer, Wayne Williams. All but Williams were white.
Joe Conservative "Political Correctness in the MSM has granted these kids a cloak of invisibility.... similar to that enjoyed by corrupt Democratic politicians."
You nailed it Joe!! To the national media, these events might as well be the figment of all of our imaginations. The media feels that if they don't report, then people will be clueless to the facts that these events are indeed taking place. They want to label conservatives as being the extremists, but in reality, it's the conservatives who are the ones who are the most informed no thanks of course to the national lamestream media. Speaking of corrupt politicians, did you hear one story by the national media on alleged rape by DEMOCRAT congressman David Wu of Oregon of an underage teenage girl? I know I haven't. I sure got my fill of the news storiess about Republican Larry Craig prior to the 2006 mid term elections.
p allen"Tyrone, do you really think a Klan member would look at you at first glance and say, "oh, he's a conservative, he hates racism." Maybe they'll ask you to help "weed out" all the bad blacks, so you all could live together in harmony...."
I see you are still bordering your responses on the absolutely absurd to far reaching allen. I lump the Klan together with the New Black Panthers and LaRaza. I have ZERO respect for any racist organization regardless of the race allen. You should know by now that my pet peeve is hypocrisy. In this case I don't like it when blacks talk about whites being racists, when they are out attacking whites based solely on them being white. I can't stand hypocrites regardless of race.
shannon "Until we as blacks begin to work together, SOCIALLY, POLITICALLY, ECONOMICALLY, EDUCATIONALLY AND SPIRITUALLY, we will never turn the tide of destitute."
Shannon, blacks have thrown away their political capital over forty years ago, they've subscribed to an ideology of a political party that advocates self destructive behavior. It doesn't promote economic empowerment through hard work, and it mocks people of faith.
If blacks dare to have diverse view points opposite of what progressives deem acceptable, those blacks are ostracized and demonized as being traitors to their race. The group think approach has been the worst thing to ever happen to blacks in this country.
Mr. Tent Trash "ridiculous, disappointing and unacceptable. This is another failure of the democratic plantation with it's welfare induced mind-control of the disadvantaged populace."
Of course, if anyone supports using force to put down these mobs, then that person will immediately be the one branded a racists for wanting to use force. Progressives would be happy to just let the mobs run wild vandalizing and looting what they want at will believing they will just quit, when thy get tired. Of course innocent victims and shop keepers be dammed.
p allen "This reminds me back in 1984, a white man Bernard Goetz who was dubbed the "Subway Vigilante", when he shot and wounded four black teenagers; one of them wound up paralyzed."
Shannon;"I am mad as hell that the liberal good intentions have destroyed the black family. And I hope, that all the social programs will dry up soon so that family can be restored fully".
Social programs are not entirely responsible for the break up of the black family. Social programs played a very small role. The only thing a social program does, is cause dependency. However, that dependency in most cases is based on need.
The conservative mantra that blames liberal "good intentions" for the destruction of the black family is a contrived political talking point. The idea is used as a base attack against "all" social programs. The reason for attacking government social programs is simple - conservatives don't want to pay the taxes.
Anon;"I can name a few people who had loving parents and became known serial killers".
And?? What is that supposed to prove?
Being that were talking about "human beings", such misfortunes, or fortunes can go either way.
How about this; I can name a person who never knew his real father, had a mother who married 5 times, moved constantly from town to town, and whose step father was an abusive alcoholic.
He was born "William Jefferson Blythe III." You should know him as former President, "Bill Clinton."
P.A.A said, "There is one part of liberal ideology that surely harmed Blacks. It's the idea of "INTEGRATING."
I agree. But unlike you, I see more than one liberal idealogical tenet as harming blacks. Every liberal ideology is harmful. In fact, it has harmed all people regardless of race.
P.A.A., you seem like a good guy who genuinely cares for the community in which he lives. And I applaud you for that.
However, I have to disagree with your premise because it doesn't hold true for other communities of people who share a communal faith, race, or heritage.
Jewish immagrants lived in tight knit communities, owned businesses, etc. Their affluent moved out and integrated and their families remained largely traditional.
THE BLACK SOCIAL, ECONOMIC, EDUCATION, POLITICAL AND SPIRITUAL STRUCTURES WERE THE "FIRST" TO FALL. WITHOUT THESE CORE STRUCTURES, IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THE FAMILY FOLLOWED SUIT!
I outlined each factor that the black community needs to adhere to and address, to which, all of you have shown that you agree! Thus, none of you here can deny that what I've stated about integration as being misleading representation or as being a false conclusion.
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Who said limit sales opportunities to "any community?" If you give "people" good service, a good product at a fair price, people will come to you to patronize you. That's how it works in America. I'm surprised you didn't know that...
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What you talkin' 'bout, Willis? Sometimes I swear that even YOU don't know...
p allen is kinda like the irritating ex-girlfriend that always had to get the last word in. And for that reason, she is decidedly the EX-girlfriend.
Thersites;"What you talkin' 'bout, Willis? Sometimes I swear that even YOU don't know...".
Usually Thersites you would at least address my statements directly, by either giving your opinion, or flat out disagreeing. It appears as though you run out of responses when it comes to indisputable facts.
My intent is not to convince you of anything. My sole intent is to give my opinions and express my beliefs, and hopefully spark spirited debate. However, neither you nor I can rewrite history. If history shows particular facts and occurrences, then I can only show it, and state it as fact.
Allen, the Arab community are as racist as the Nazis and the KKK. You forgot to mentioned that an arab killed a black in his store and was supported by Al Sharpton.
Blacks cannot go to an Arab country and set up their community
and attend their schools and take over. In Africa the Arabs still have black slaves and expect blacks like you to become their slaves in America. Blacks have been told that Christianity is a white man's religion and Islam is black. Arabs let them think so as long as needed, then as black Muslims in Africa are now being told that they are no really Muslims but gorillas. It is sickening that Blacks like our converts who make fun of Christians who stopped slavery and Islam still has slavery right now. Black Africans are raised to believe that they are less than those Arabs in Dearborn. Black Muslims dont go to Paradise with Allah and get 72 big breasted white women and 28 white boys who dont bleed, but go to hellfire. Tabari 11:11. Why did the Arabs come here and hate Jews and Blacks. They could have stayed home and hated. Not one of them have ever said Allah was wrong in saying that Blacks are cursed, and Jews and Christians are apes and pigs. NOT ONE. nOT ONE WILL SAY MUHAMMAD WAS WRONG AND SO WAS ALLAH IN PRAISING PEDOPHILES. How many of those Arabs have child brides like Muhammad? Sharia Law says non-Muslims cannot have guns, and black women are prostitutes and Black men are nothing but slave stock-Avicenna. He galvanized Arabs in Dearbornistan are the same slaveR stock as in Arabia.
Allen you eat the Arab food and see if they would eat your food.
Let them know that they are wrong in their thinking in 2011, because the plan to take ove not only Dearborn, but all of Detroit.
The Black churches are not really true Christians as they permit everything to go on and never say a word as long as they pay tithes, which is not longer a requirement of Christians. Tithes was a Jewish requirement only as was the Mosaic Law was only for the Israelites and not Jewish and Gentile Christians.
Shannon;"I agree. But unlike you, I see more than one liberal idealogical tenet as harming blacks. Every liberal ideology is harmful. In fact, it has harmed all people regardless of race".
That's fine. If you believe liberal ideology is harmful for all people, then you shouldn't be a liberal.
I don't consider myself to be a "liberal." You label me as a liberal because I have particular beliefs, beliefs that are opposite or counter to your own.
Not once here or anywhere else have I claimed that "conservative ideology" is harmful. I could rail all day about conservative war mongering or conservative religious zealotry, or spout the numerous "liberal" talking-points on how conservatism harms America. But I don't play that game...
This was a conversation about black children causing uncalled for and unnecessary havoc. It was, and still is my contention that conservatives are mislabeling these kids as being "racist in nature."
That's not to say that "conservatism" itself is harmful. What I am saying is that conservatives are intentionally using harmful tactics by describing the black mobs as being racially motivated.
Shannon;"However, I have to disagree with your premise because it doesn't hold true for other communities of people who share a communal faith, race, or heritage".
You know what I call that Shannon? I call that the "conservative make it up, and say anything, to prove nothing" defense.
Your assertion is totally untrue! First off, in other ethnic communities, even most affluent individuals keep's social ties with the larger community. Second, other races, faiths and heritages were not effected by hundreds of years of racial segregation, then forced into racial integration!
Shannon, allow me to tell you how I came to the conclusion that integration caused more problems than social programs.
It was about 20 years ago I was visiting my relatives in Birmingham, Alabama. I was in a local Bar/Restaurant and overheard two older gentlemen, one white one black, having a discussion. Making a long story short, they were discussing how integration negatively effected blacks in the south and the rest of the country.
At the time I disagreed with the premise, and just chalked it up as two old fools just making conversation.
For a while their conversation kept bouncing in and out of my head, until I decided to do some research and check the premise out for myself. I took the time to call upon some of the elders in my family for their opinions on the subject. After speaking with my 85 year old great uncle it became clear that history lends credence to the theory.
Long story short again- Even though some did not express the same idea about the theory, "EVERY" elderly person I spoke to on the subject stated this;
"Black people would always work together back then. If something wasn't good for one of us, it wasn't good for none of us."
That was proof enough for me. The "FACT" is, we as blacks, were a economically, educationally, socially, politically and spiritually connected community before integration. Even at that time social programs had no adverse effects on our families.
Social Welfare programs (The New Deal, Social Security, WPA, etc...)began in the U.S. during the 1930's. Racial integration policies began in the mid to late 1960's. Thus, the social programs had 30+ years to "destroy the black family" or destroy any families who were "government dependent."
Thirty years can produce at least 2 generations. If the social programs had any negative effects on family cohesiveness over that time, I'm sure you can show some "historical statistics." Just do go "all conservative on me" and make some up.
And yet Social Welfare programs were never meant to be there in the first place. Our Government is not our nanny but to protect us from invasion more then anything else. Sure, some laws are needed because of societies downfall (lack of family/community values and moral principles) like the rise in access to drugs which should be eradicated. These Social ideas do not have any sustaining power as anyone with any amount of common sense would know. This is what Churches, Family and Community Groups are for. When ever i see the words Social Welfare, i think Socialism which we all know is making Europe a joke. Try thinking over that one Allen and enough with the ignorant thoughts.
Bebe;"Allen, the Arab community are as racist as the Nazis and the KKK".
Did you make some of THESE COMMENTS on the FOX News website? I've seen the word "nigger" used on the thread at least 10 times. I seriously doubt if those comments were posted my "Arabs."
Heres a link to the FOX News website. The comments get even worse.
BTW, could it be possible that those who comment on FOX news.com be conservatives? Just asking...
No alen, the Arabic word is zurka for dirty nigga. So is takruni. The white Arabs call us those words and black women are pure evil. Do you accept those terms and you are the devil according to Allah.
no it was not me on Fox.
p.a.a. wrote, "You label me as a liberal because I have particular beliefs, beliefs that are opposite or counter to your own."
If you will be so kind as to go back through my posts, you will not find where I have labeled you anything except a 'good guy who cares for his community'.
I also never stated that other groups sever ties with their community as they elavate thier socio-economics.
It doesn't take a village to raise a child (as Hillary suggests) and it doesn't take a community to fix the ills of its youth.
Im done, p.a.a. This is a waste because neither of us will be swayed by the points of the other. I'm still confused by you. Why read and comment on Tyrone's blog since it seems to be in opposition to your personal views? No need to answer though.
Shannon;"If you will be so kind as to go back through my posts, you will not find where I have labeled you anything except a 'good guy who cares for his community".
Shannon's very first post on this thread;"You see, P.A.A, it is precisely the ideology that you promote that has been at the root of the reasons you cite.
Shannon;"I'm still confused by you".
Shannon;"Why read and comment on Tyrone's blog since it seems to be in opposition to your personal views?.
Because I enjoy exchanging thoughts and opinions, and get to converse with people like you....
I don't care what are the causes of this. I have no mercy for these savages. I came from a a very abusive child hood and probably went through more then some of these kids. Should I go around thinking every body owes me? The abuse I suffered was horrible, life changing, still gives me emotional scars. Should I beat some one up and blame them for something they did not even DO?
I had no friends, no one in my family helped me, I had no role models and there was a good chance I may not of been here today to talk about it. To hell with pity . I have none for people who commit these crimes. Shoot them down, lock them up throw away the key, or send them to Iraq.
Better yet, send some of these "angry youths" or the FAU idiot in the class to the CONGO where black men rape their own women because they believe in the " potion" you tube it. Then these " youths" will come back crying. Send the parents there too. No more excuses no more pity. This is unacceptable and people need to fight back and if you are one of "these youths" that is getting watched all the time well shut up. There is a reason why people watch a certain people now.
No pity, no remorse, no more understanding what the problem is . We have done that for too long time to be tough . Three strike rule. You can't live among other people with out hurting or inciting riots, then time for you to go. The population here is out of control we need to " understand" our hard working citizens of all races that put America first and their heritage second. Toughen up America.
I was molested, raped, beaten by my own parents, starved and I don't go around hurting anyone. I hate these people that are doing this. To hell with them.
black kids were the only ones who never had a father or a mother when they grew up.the blacks never had the same chances as any othere group.the blacks have the corner on victim hood.only whites are racist.according to blacks.blacks dont have any people in thiere corners when the chips are down.blacks feel impowered because the media and goverment entitles them to be that way.blacks have the only right to mame and kill for there race.blacks can never be racists,only othere groups can be.blacks have it worse then any body else.blacks are never given a chance in life.i thought i would help with some reson why blacks behave the way they do.
Who are you trying to fool? 1-6 are undoubtedly excuses and nothing more. There is only one reason. Complete moral bankruptcy. Unfortunately this can not be taught. A person or "people" have morals or they dont. Period.
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