Meet Juror B29, a juror in the "all white" George Zimmerman Trial.
It has been nearly two weeks since the verdict and acquittal of George Zimmerman. I am now more then ready to get back to the real issues facing this country.This trial was never one to begin with. It was a national distraction if anything. I do however have one last thing to say about this whole unnecessary ordeal the nation had to through. The national media has no shame. I hold them responsible for the racial tensions that has occurred, the lost of property of people due to vandalism and arson, and I hold them responsible for the assaults by brainwashed, emotionally ginned up blacks who attacked whites and Hispanics over the verdict. When the jury was set for the trial and all throughout the trial, the jury was presented to the nation by the media as being "ALL WHITE".
Brian Williams of NBC "News" wasn't the first to lie to the American public. Many of his colleagues did the same. I have to wonder, how did they think they were going to get away with telling such a whooper like that? By the way, this is the same NBC which doctored the Zimmerman 911 call which presented Zimmerman as a racial profiling racist. Did you know that the prosecution expelled a potential "male juror who was black" simply because he watched "Fox News"? Oh you didn't know?
I guess if the potential black male juror watched MSNBC or CNN, he would have been acceptable. More progressives watch Fox News then CNN and MSNBC combined, just throwing that out there. Dismissing him simply was stupid on their part.. One thing also to note, the female anchor on CNN also referred to the jury as "ALL WHITE".. So let's take a look and listen to one of the jurors who spoke yesterday on ABC Good Morning America. Sometimes I do wear glasses for reading, but I think my vision is good enough to determine that this juror which was known as B-29 and who's first name is Maddy doesn't look white", which would have made this NOT an "all white jury". You be the judge.
This is why I call out and expose the national media every chance I get for their actions.. If the national media would have made light that one of the jurors was a bi racial female,half black and half Hispanic, that would have taken some if the racial edge off of the verdict. This wouldn't have been seen as "six white jurors" defending Zimmerman..What the media did is on the same level as when MSNBC purposely hid the identity of a black man at an Obamacare rally in Arizona. The panel presented the man as a symbol of "white people showing with guns" to oppose Obama. Oh, but that "was not what happened.
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 11:46 AM
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CB-"I hold them responsible for the racial tensions that has occurred, the lost of property of people due to vandalism and arson, and I hold them responsible for the assaults by brainwashed, emotionally ginned up blacks who attacked whites and Hispanics over the verdict."
In like what KTLA TV, Los Angeles did when they cut out the very beginning of why and what led to the LAPD to go and beat Rodney King and added to the narrative that there was a lot of racial overtones, there probably would have not have been a riot.
Since the media only cares about ratings by stirring up the racial pot, they could care less about those whose lives were ruined; they should be held accountable for their actions and be taken off the air. Sooner or later, it's going to bite them right back. Now, Zimmerman a free man, is turning around and suing NBC for tainting his image by making him look like a racist for altering the 911 call. Karma is a bitch!
-Big Pop
Big Pop "In like what KTLA TV, Los Angeles did when they cut out the very beginning of why and what led to the LAPD to go and beat Rodney King and added to the narrative that there was a lot of racial overtones, there probably would have not have been a riot. "
Classic point Big Pop. The nation only saw the beating part of the video, even though the media had the whole video. Back then, they were able to get away with selective editing for broadcast, because there was no internet, youtube, social media, bloggers etc. They can't get away with that anymore. They haven't figure that out yet though. Remember when Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC selective edited the speech by Mitt Romney about Wawa and ordering a sandwich to make him look like he was out of touch with middle America.? Also, remember how Ed Schultz selectively edited the speech by Governor Perry to make him appear to be racist. We both know that these are far from isolated cases, but the excuse makers will merely try to gloss over it. I don't believe they stirred up the racial pot for ratings, they did it because they are all social justice progressive activists before ever being journalists. I hope he sues NBC and MSNBC for at lest $500 million dollars. Maybe that will send a message to the rest of the media
“Classic point Big Pop. The nation only saw the beating part of the video, even though the media had the whole video. Back then, they were able to get away with selective editing for broadcast, because there was no internet, youtube, social media, bloggers etc. They can't get away with that anymore.”
Tyrone,
I do not think what Rodney King did before the beating warranted getting beat to a pulp like that. At the time he got out of his car and gave up, that should have been the end of it. If they hit him a few time because they were pissed, well okay. But the beating went waaay too far! I know many urban cops in the streets, especially now a days when the cell phone cameras are off, have an unofficial rule that they will beat down anyone runs and they have to chase, but the Rodney King beating went too far.
Now I know you consider yourself one of the few, great black conservative and therefore go along with whatever right-wing talk show hosts(who run the GOP) and right-wing bloggers and vloggers say, but let’s look at this one again. And you don’t have to like Rodney King, I did not really either. Now I’m a black independent who is a registered unaffiliated person in MD, and I agree with you on some of issues. But on this one, where you imply Rodney or anybody deserved that because he put the police on a high speed chase is wrong to me. And maybe you support this unofficial street cop rule, and that’s fine, but it is not the law. I would never run, though.
Maybe you just think it was justified because some white conservatives or maybe even Thomas Sowels or Walter Williams, lol, said he deserved it. But remember, Tyrone, you can agree with these right-wing hacks on everything if you want, but you’re not one of them, no matter what they tell you. It could happen to you one day, whether you run or not. And I know you will say you would never run or fight back, and I believe you would not run. But not all cops were you live will approach you in police uniforms. Many now jump out in plain clothes and accost and/or attack without identifying themselves. That means you could think it is five or six Baltimore City street thugs coming at you, when it is just plain cloths cops(jump out boys and gals) and run. The ones who run from that get beat every day, too. Someone told me in Baltimore City they call those cops the jump out boys. And they just don’t jump out on criminals! Anybody can and will get it!
Come on Tyrone, you already know that in the city you live in….
No one said the jury was all white. Across the board, they said all women with one Hispanic
CB-"I don't believe they stirred up the racial pot for ratings, they did it because they are all social justice progressive activists before ever being journalists."
That makes a lot of sense. However, I wish every time I turn on my local news, when there is a report of a white police officer involve shooting of a black criminal, I wish they stop speculating if race was a factor. When the roles are reversed or instead a white cop shooting white criminal, they call it "officer involved shooting".
To Maddie, aka Juror B29: Zimmerman didn’t “get away with murder.” He defended himself against a thug, who was bashing his head up against the concrete pavement. If you were in that situation, and someone were to beat your head into the concrete, would you shoot him if you had a gun available? And if you are acquitted because of this, did you not get away with murder?
I wonder if she was saying this because just to ease the pressure off of her because of the death threats that she and her fellow jurors were receiving and is trying to get on their "good side"? Remember all the jurors wanted to find Zimmerman guilty, but the evidence supported for a not guilty verdict.
-Big Pop
Some black guy at HuffPost actually wrote to address - get this now: "race baiters on the right." He forgets about Jesse, Al, MSNBC, Stevie W., Jay-Z, and now Harry Belafonte just arrived in Florida to join the sit-in circus from the left. Then he blames the "right race baiters" for their "inability to think, comprehend." Kind of like a pitbull saying that a cocker spaniel bites too hard. This is a perfect example of confusing crazymaking doublespeak. By the way this is how race baiters have used "racist" to silence thinking comprehending speech; and also how "islamophobia" has been masterfully used to silence Americans from thinking comprehending speech that exposes the lies, murders and atrocities of jihadist. He who defines > re-defines words controls the playing field, but they will never be able to control mind and mouth of all of us.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jason-whitlock/race-baiters_b_3659281.html
Darkstar "No one said the jury was all white. Across the board, they said all women with one Hispanic"
Are you denial? Actually watch the video I posted of Brian Williams. Tell me what he said at the 0:26 second mark. It sure sounds like he said the words "all women, all white jury,tell me I am wrong. I know you want to prove me wrong, but it is what it is. Read the story by the guardian express Darstar. George Zimmerman Skirts Justice With "ALL WHITE" Jury. I guess these somebodies who said all white jury are nobodies then Darkstar?
-Big Pop "To Maddie, aka Juror B29: Zimmerman didn’t “get away with murder.” He defended himself against a thug, who was bashing his head up against the concrete pavement."
That is the crucial point that the Trayvon Martin supporters want to conveniently overlook. This really wasn't a stand your ground case, it was a self defense case in which Zimmerman had every right to shoot Travyon Martin. If Zimmermman didn't act with deadly force, he might have been killed himself due to blunt force trauma from having his skull smashed on the pavement or he might have suffered brain damage. What the Trayvon folks can't argue is that Zimmerman's life wasn't in danger.
-Big Pop " If you were in that situation, and someone were to beat your head into the concrete, would you shoot him if you had a gun available? And if you are acquitted because of this, did you not get away with murder? "
Their argument isn't a rational one. If I had a gun and someone was pounding my head into the ground and beating me with their fists raining down on me, of course I am going to take my gun a shoot them, anyone in their right mind would. It's the human instinct of self preservation to do so. The tryavon supporters would do the same thing if they were in that situation, that is why they are so phony in condemning Zimmerman for doing so.
These idiots don't even know what the definition of murder is.
Murder is "To kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation".
Killing a person in self defense is within the law. So since it's lawful to do so, that would make it the opposite of unlawful. Premeditation is "he act of speculating, arranging, or plotting in advance". Again, there was no premeditation on Zimmerman's part. He pulled out his gun while he was on the bottom getting beat up. It wasn't planned, arranged nor did he plot to kill Trayvon Martin. Rationalizing this to the Travyon Martin cult is like taking a stick to a hornet's nest. The more you explain what happened from a factual perspective, the more angry they become.
-Big Pop "I wonder if she was saying this because just to ease the pressure off of her because of the death threats that she and her fellow jurors were receiving and is trying to get on their "good side"? Remember all the jurors wanted to find Zimmerman guilty, but the evidence supported for a not guilty verdict. "
That could have been the case also. If I had to face millions a ginned up mindless fools, I probably would have said the same thing she said too even though I still thought Zimmerman was innocent. In the end, I am glad they left emotion out of it and did the job according to the rule of law based on the evidence. What the media and the Travyon Martin cult wanted was not justice by a conviction regardless, and those are two different things. They wanted an activist jury that was gong to convict Zimmerman regardless of whether the facts proved his was innocent of the charges.
Marcel "I do not think what Rodney King did before the beating warranted getting beat to a pulp like that."
Normally I would agree Marcel, and with any other motorist I would have said the beating was way too excessive, but I remember reading a story awhile back about how Rodney King busted the eye socket of a Korean Grocer
a week before his own beating at the hands of the LAPD. To me I just figured Karma just caught up with Rodney King.
Marcel "At the time he got out of his car and gave up, that should have been the end of it. If they hit him a few time because they were pissed, well okay. But the beating went waaay too far! I know many urban cops in the streets, especially now a days when the cell phone cameras are off, have an unofficial rule that they will beat down anyone runs and they have to chase, but the Rodney King beating went too far. "
From the unedited video showed King reaching for the gun of one of the officers which triggered the response. Maybe the show of force was excessive.
Marcel "Now I know you consider yourself one of the few, great black conservative and therefore go along with whatever right-wing talk show hosts(who run the GOP) and right-wing bloggers and vloggers say, but let’s look at this one again."
lol, that's funny. If you read the topics I write about, many of the times they aren't what other conservatives bloggers are blogging about. I don't think that I am great either. I like to believe I am an analytic free thinker. My views are based on my analysis of what is common sense. People who appreciate common sense tend to appreciate what I say.
Marcel "Maybe you just think it was justified because some white conservatives or maybe even Thomas Sowels or Walter Williams, lol, said he deserved it. "
Again, I don't follow anyone's lead on any issue. I decide which way I lean on an issue based on the issue itself not how other conservatives feel about it. For example, many conservatives were for the Iraq War, I was against it, because I couldn't justify why our troops were there seeing that Saddam had nothing to do with 911.
Marcel "But remember, Tyrone, you can agree with these right-wing hacks on everything if you want, but you’re not one of them, no matter what they tell you. It could happen to you one day, whether you run or not."
Um, I don't believe that Walter E Williams nor Thomas Sowell ever told me that "I was one of them". Matter of fact, I've never even met either of them. Maybe I met them in my dreams or something. Call me naive, but I've never had an issue with cops. I actually know several cops. Of course all cops aren't recreated equally. I do believe that as along as I don't back talk an officer nor lead them on a high speed chase, I will be just fine. Call me an optimist.
Marcel "And you don’t have to like Rodney King, I did not really either. Now I’m a black independent who is a registered unaffiliated person in MD, and I agree with you on some of issues. But on this one, where you imply Rodney or anybody deserved that because he put the police on a high speed chase is wrong to me. "
When Rodney King lead the LAPD on a high speed chase through Los Angeles, how many countless motorists did Rodney King put in Jeopardy? I've seen video of suspects fleeing form cops and causing deadly accidents in the process. What if Rodney King would have crashed into another motorist and either killed or severely injured them? It was only by chance that he didn't.
Marcel "That means you could think it is five or six Baltimore City street thugs coming at you, when it is just plain cloths cops(jump out boys and gals) and run. The ones who run from that get beat every day, too. Someone told me in Baltimore City they call those cops the jump out boys. And they just don’t jump out on criminals! Anybody can and will get it!
Come on Tyrone, you already know that in the city you live in…"
I live in Baltimore correct, and I know several officers personally who work in the North East District. If I get pulled over, I never back talk and officer, I never reach for anything unless instructed, and I also treat them with respect. That's probably why I always seem to get off with a warning rather then with a ticket. Many blacks do not like cops, so they feel they can't talk to them any which way they want, and then they cry racism when the cops just doesn't humbly take the verbal abuse, go figure.
CB;"From the unedited video showed King reaching for the gun of one of the officers which triggered the response. Maybe the show of force was excessive".
Ooooh, I forgot about the "conservative" version of the Rodney King Video Taped Beating! In that version, right before King reaches for the officer gun, he morphs from a vampire bat into Rodney Dangerfield!
That's when the officers demand that he recite The Pledge of Allegiance "backwards" to the cadence of Yankee Doodle while break-dancing. Then a Dunkin' Donuts truck drove by getting the attention of the officers, Rodney stopped right in the middle of his break-dance spin, and singing "glare red rockets the and", then reached for Officer Francis ("Frank") Ponch's gun. That's when the beating ensued!!
The "conservative" tale of the King beating get's better every time it's told...
Black celebrities are staring to treat Florida like they did South Africa in the 80's. More of them, like Chaka Khan (whom I listened to in the 70's) are “boycotting Florida.” They say they are doing so until Florida Stand Your Ground Law is repealed or re-considered. Didn't lawyers for Zimmerman claim self-defense not Stand Your Ground? I would think blacks would want want to defend families and homes against robbers and murderers and malefactors. In cities around the USA hundreds showed up for demonstrations and to repeal Stand Your Ground and some youths wore “I Am Trayvon” t-shirts. Political and sectarian leaders spoke and wrote against Zimmerman and that their son could be Trayvon. I hope koolaid drinkers don't end up working against their own best interests. In a side note some who support Stand Your Ground may be glad that certain entertainers will not be performing in Florida.
To ACM, have your heard of the recent mob attack in Baltimore, and will there be any public outcry?
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2013/07/26/mob-of-teens-brutally-attack-man-in-heart-of-little-italy/
‘This is for Trayvon Martin’: 3 black men beat, rob white man in D.C.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/28/trayvon-martin-3-black-men-beat-rob-white-man-dc/
There's an article in the Philadelphia Inquirer agreeing with you:
Zimmerman Case Hurt Media's Image
Tyrone,“Normally I would agree Marcel, and with any other motorist I would have said the beating was way too excessive, but I remember reading a story awhile back about how Rodney King busted the eye socket of a Korean Grocer
a week before his own beating at the hands of the LAPD. To me I just figured Karma just caught up with Rodney King.”
I never heard that and it may very well be true, knowing Rodney. But a beatings like that, where officers go waaaaay too far and beat someone who is subdued to death, or damn near to death, sets a dangerous precedence. That’s my fear. And it is not the cop’s job to serve Karma. I don’t want cops thinking they can beat the living day lights out of someone just because they are mad about what you did or simply said or what they think they might have done. That’s really not even legal. Now if you are a ‘VIOLENT’ piece of shit that attacks the police and anybody else, and resists arrests by ‘FIGHTING’ them, I have no problem with the cops letting you have it! In fact, those are the guys that should get it from the cops, but rarely do - unfortunately. Most cops don’t want to get hurt or killed, so most, (NOT ALL), take the path of least residences, which is the attack and beat those who are no threat and that’s what I have a problem with. If you are an angry cop, go in the office and pick up the list of most violent street thugs that have open warrants! You know the worst murders and rapist. Go find and beat the living day lights out of those guys. The problem is those guys might prevent that officer from going home to their wife who might not work and 5 kids at night.
Tyrone “From the unedited video showed King reaching for the gun of one of the officers which triggered the response. Maybe the show of force was excessive.”
Again, if the cops feel he was going for the gun, I have no problem with them doing what they have to do. Problem is nowadays they will say your cell phone looked like gun, or at least they will CLAIM they thought so. But in this case, they had clearly subdued and immobilized King; they went on waaay too far after he was out of the vehicle down and beaten. Yeah, the cops could get a couple hits in for their anger of having to chase him; I’ll give them that, but even that’s not legal. That’s why I said I know there is an UNOFFICIAL rule of beating anyone who runs! I guess you just learn to accept that, but it should not be abused and it is. What can you say, that’s the way it is I guess.
Tyrone,”lol, that's funny. If you read the topics I write about, many of the times they aren't what other conservatives bloggers are blogging about. I don't think that I am great either. I like to believe I am an analytic free thinker. My views are based on my analysis of what is common sense. People who appreciate common sense tend to appreciate what I say.”
Say what, Tyrone?? I see you blog and do video blogs about most of the current topics that are political news and that the conservative media choses to cover and/or criticize all the time. This Travyon Martin case is the perfect example and please don’t say it an exception to the rule, lol. You did the IRS, Benghazi, and Dr. Ben Carson coming out, exclusively writing on black on white crime and black on black crime, and much more they also cover. You usually present the topics like Trayvon Martin, the IRS scandal, radical Islam and other things the Liberal media purportedly refuses to cover; it’s the same stuff Hannity, Levin, and Lauren Ingram and other right-wing talk host say every week. You make the exact same claims of left-wing bias on Trayvon Martin, IRS, Islam, or the Benghazi killing as them, sometimes, almost verbatim. Like I said before, as soon as the right-wing media started falling all over Dr. Ben Carson, you immediately did like two pieces on him and the left-wing media’s unfair attacks on him. And I actually agreed with you on that. But that’s what the right-wing talk show host like Hannity and Ingram say every day. We heard it before. What you are saying is nothing different from the right-wing talk host, that’s all I’m saying. I might disagree or agree with some of it, but I am just calling it like I see it. That’s all.
Now while conservatives say the Trayvon Martin case is over and people should get over it, but YOU as a conservative are clearly not over it because this is like your 4rd or 5th blog about it! Now there is nothing wrong with that, it is your blog, but I am just saying. Lol, I know immigration, Benghazi and the IRS is old, tried, and as the kids say, played out. And I know conservatives are grasping for straws right now. And most of your opinions on this Zimmerman case are the typical right-wings positions on the black gangster Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman, the new conservative hero. Trayvon Martin was just another misguided, black, H.S. football playing, dope smoking thug who deserved to die because he actually went after and put a huge beat down on a powerless wimp, with a gun, G. Zimmerman.
The same G. Zimmerman who had the gun, and knew he had a gun going into the whole think and paid over $100 a month for MMA training that help him get in shape. Side bar: it’s funny how conservatives love to bring up Martin playing H.S. football, but NEVER mention Zimmerman’s yearlong+ MMA training, but I digress. Anyway, this is the same wimp who was going to die that night, lol. I do agree with you on a lot. But sometimes you go off too far to the far right. Just one man's opinion.
Tyrone “Again, I don't follow anyone's lead on any issue. I decide which way I lean on an issue based on the issue itself not how other conservatives feel about it. For example, many conservatives were for the Iraq War, I was against it, because I couldn't justify why our troops were there seeing that Saddam had nothing to do with 911.”
Wow! Really! I did not know you are a conservative against the Iraq war. Yeah I thought Afghanistan was the good, justified war because we had to go after the people who attacked us and that is where they were. And Iraq was no good. I was against the war, but I supported the troops because they had no say in going to war in Iraq.
P.S. Just don’t tell the conservatives Dr. Ben Carson was also against the Iraq war, seems to be suspicious of Stand Your Ground laws, and favors assault weapons bans! They might turn on him and call him a lib, lol.
Tyrone"Um, I don't believe that Walter E Williams nor Thomas Sowell ever told me that "I was one of them". Matter of fact, I've never even met either of them. Maybe I met them in my dreams or something. Call me naive, but I've never had an issue with cops. I actually know several cops. Of course all cops aren't recreated equally. I do believe that as along as I don't back talk an officer nor lead them on a high speed chase, I will be just fine. Call me an optimist."
Well, me mentioning Dr. Sowel and Dr. Williams was actually a joke of sorts because I said you repeat a lot of right-wing talking points from “white” conservative talk show host. I just wanted to also acknowledge the so called “black” conservative writers who I do know you also revere. I also know how they feel about Trayvon Martin and Rodney King and other blacks, too.
And I don’t think your naïve. My brother is cop in D.C. and my step-father is a retired Maryland State Trooper and was a MD Transit Cop for many years before, so I know a few cops, too. They will tell you to be very, very carefully with ALL cops because they have a lot of power and can lie, kill, steal and get away with it! It does matter how polite you are and don’t look like a typical black thug or not. In fact, that’s the kind they like to bully sometimes. I have been pulled over by a few City cops and treated like crap and never talked back or anything and was polite. Some, (not all), cops just like the power.
Yes, there are good cops and bad cops. My retired step-father will tell you it is actually 50/50, some are good and some are bad like most say. Look at the weekly corruption coming out every week from the BCPD. I could post soooo many links, but I will not because you already now as a city resident. A lot of City cops act like ‘LEGAL’ street gang members. You have Baltimore police officers selling drugs in the police parking lot near Morgan State, LOL. One female cop is in federal court for helping out and covering for drug dealers out near West Side Shopping center. And I could go on and on.
I do feel bad for the good cops because they cannot snitch on the bad ones because they have an unofficial no snitching rule. Or if you do snitch on another ‘bad’ cop, you better not ever call for backup again - EVER!! And I would never hate all white cops and say they are all racist; black cops, in my experience are very aggressive and rude. I have experienced it from black and Puerto Rican cops during minor traffic violations stops in Baltimore City. They can be the much worst. Yeah I said it! I hate to say it, but like the black cop in the ‘Boyz in Hood’ movie.
So believe me, I live in the County, but am very careful with city cops. Look at what they do to their own: Look up Officer William Torbit Jr. killing. If they will do that to their own, believe I know I better be careful with them. And I am not buying the Officer Torbit killing was a mistake. I believe he pissed someone off. Just my opinion and belief. Yeah, call me cynical.
Again, I feel bad for the good cops who hands are tied and cannot do anything to help weed out corruption out of fear of what might not happen to them if they do.
Tyrone”When Rodney King lead the LAPD on a high speed chase through Los Angeles, how many countless motorists did Rodney King put in Jeopardy? I've seen video of suspects fleeing form cops and causing deadly accidents in the process. What if Rodney King would have crashed into another motorist and either killed or severely injured them? It was only by chance that he didn't.”
True, but let the law take care of Rodney King for doing that. What they did was not legal and they knew it. If they hit him a few times for their frustration over what he did, fine. But to go on and on, after he clearly was finished off and subdued, was wrong.
Tyrone”I live in Baltimore correct, and I know several officers personally who work in the North East District. If I get pulled over, I never back talk and officer, I never reach for anything unless instructed, and I also treat them with respect. That's probably why I always seem to get off with a warning rather then with a ticket. Many blacks do not like cops, so they feel they can't talk to them any which way they want, and then they cry racism when the cops just doesn't humbly take the verbal abuse, go figure.”
Look I know it is very common for conservatives to lump all blacks in one box – and black conservatives love to do it, too - but you need to be more specific. Many blacks in urban areas hate the police and you know why; I don’t even need to go into it. What you said is like me saying most white cops are racist and really hate blacks based on what we see every day from them in urban America. My brother – who is a D.C. cop has told me something’s he’s heard and situations where he has had to put some in their place at times. But that is certainly not ALL white cops; I told you my issues come with more coward black cops.
I think a lot urban cops need counseling on a regular bases because of what they deal with, and they should rotate cops back and forth from the street to desk and admin duty.
I personally don’t hate police officers, Tyrone, as much I do fear them because of the power I know they possess. They can do and say almost anything they want and lie and know they have the law on their side first if there were no cameras recording. Most State’s Attorneys don’t even like to prosecute police officers unless they absolutely have to, like the officer Gahiji A. Tshamba killing of a Marine in Baltimore about 4 years ago.
Also, to help solve some of this problem with bad cops we have to look at who they are hiring how they make it through. As a conservative you will like this one: They need to stop lowering the standards in urban areas for urban police forces. The Baltimore FOP has stated that they are pressuring the BCPD to set standards much higher now to help curtail all the corruption scandals plaguing the department. That means ‘race’ should not let someone who gets lower test scores get through. People with bad intentions will still slip through the pass the tests and make it in, but they can work to curtail it.
I think the problem lies in that because urban area like Baltimore and D.C. are so bad, only so many people want to apply to those dangerous jurisdictions. Pay may also be an issue. Baltimore County Police start at 46,000, while City cops start at around 40,000 to 42,000. Hell even Maryland State Transit cops start at more than city cops, at $44,000. Think about the current Baltimore City jail prison guard corruption scandals. Maryland State CO’s pay start at $36,000 to $37,000. That sucks for what they go through. And I am not justifying their actions because of lack of pay, but the pay scales need to be raised now.
And apparently Zimmerman's defense wasn't an exclusive all-white club either:
http://www.blackmediascoop.com/yes-that-was-a-sistah-on-zimmermans-legal-team/
This is extremely true, this case has nothing whatsoever to do with race, the media is able to influenced people so much (as I frequently write in my blog) that it is about time that they start to take responsibility. Yeah Jay Z and Beyonce showed up to a rally - that made the news, making it impossible to be really black and not see this as racism. But Jay Z had a hit with a song called n***** in paris, so he is not really an advocate for black people progressing.
The World Around "This is extremely true, this case has nothing whatsoever to do with race, the media is able to influenced people so much (as I frequently write in my blog) that it is about time that they start to take responsibility. Yeah Jay Z and Beyonce showed up to a rally - that made the news, making it impossible to be really black and not see this as racism. But Jay Z had a hit with a song called n***** in paris, so he is not really an advocate for black people progressing."
Jay Z's music is a contributor the hip hop ghetto culture which is adversely harming black youths. Furthermore, Jay Z is a fraud, though a very wealthy one. I am willing to beat that if Trayvon Martin was shot and killed by another black teen, he would care less about it and he wouldn't be waring a tshirt demanding justice for that teen who was killed. That actually goes for all the fake Travyon Martin "supporters". An "artist" who has to use the N word in his music really isn't a role model for young blacks kids and teens.
p allen "Ooooh, I forgot about the "conservative" version of the Rodney King Video Taped Beating! In that version, right before King reaches for the officer gun, he morphs from a vampire bat into Rodney Dangerfield! "
Isn't it just amazing allen how every-time a video showing a black man getting beat by the cops surfaces, the media always seem to start showing it at the beating portion but never the moments leading up to the beating. I wonder why that it. Then again, I wonder why would MSNBC purposely hide the identity of a black man with a gun and then describe him has white who hates obama because of rcae, go figure. In the end, it doesn't matter. Rodney King died the same way he lived his life, on drugs. But hey, I sure some enlightened people will say that the LAPD planted them on him and that they were the ones who killed him.
Indigo "To ACM, have your heard of the recent mob attack in Baltimore, and will there be any public outcry?
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2013/07/26/mob-of-teens-brutally-attack-man-in-heart-of-little-italy/"
Yup,I know the area very well. Little Italy is surrounded by the north and east with low rise subsidized public town houses. I wouldn't doubt it that is where the attacker came from. They sure didn't come from Patterson Park or Fells Point. I heard that the cops caught them. I knew that was going to happen. Little Italy is a major tourist area of Baltimore City, and the residents have some stroke power in city hall.
Well, what do you know! Here is the a story very similar to the Rodney King beating we have been debating that happened in Baltimore City a day or two ago, Tyrone. What a coincidence this happen in Baltimore this week!!
According to WBAL-TV, police chased down a 14 year old 'punk' who put them on a high speed chase in Baltimore City.
Police also confirmed to WBAL-TV that the car was stolen from Pennsylvania Avenue in Towson. The 14-year-old, whose name has not been released, will be charged as a juvenile. See the lib media is not hiding anything; he's punk teen who stole a car.
Here's the full story here: http://www.wbal.com/article/101689/21/template-story/Officer-Suspended-For-Allegedly-Using-Excessive-Force
Video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ-ZH9g10mA
You see here, Tyrone, even if YOU, personally feel the cops are justified and beating this punk kid because he put the police on a high speed chase, the BCPD and Commissioner Batts disagree because technically it is no legal to do once a person is caught and subdued. Sorry, that's fact. But hell, like I told you before, A LOT of cops (NOT ALL,so don't start!) do illegal stuff they are not suppose to do everyday because the have the power to and have a strong Union to back them up, the FOP.
Now maybe you will say it is Karma for the 14 yr old for putting people's lives in danger, but understand that Karma also got the out-of-control Baltimore City cop suspended. It will probably be with pay and I doubt the FOP will let him be fired without putting up a strong fight. And it will probably not even go that far, so please don't start about that.
Oh wait, Tyrone............I almost forgot! The what you will call the 'liberal' media(WBAL TV in this case) did indeed show what happened up until the beating: it was a high speed chase like Rodney King, and the kid paid for it. But so did the cop who went waaay to far by showing off in front the other cops.
ACM said "Jay Z's music is a contributor the hip hop ghetto culture which is adversely harming black youths..."
Despicable to American culture have been those hiphop/gangsta/rap thugs. Starting with people like rap producer Russell Simmons. At HuffPost he tries to appear as some kind of social commentator. Makes me want to vomit. Then also Jay-Z, P Diddy, Snoop Dogg/Lion, Chris Brown, and even Eminem (dumb names). I don't care how much money they give to philanthropy or some boy's club, or if they now have a clothing line that gets them called tycoon or mogul. They made their first million corrupting middle schoolers (including millions of white boys) and those who today “see nothing wrong” with rebellion, immorality, and lawlessness. Even worse is the millions of goons who support and buy into their con game. If they were white, yellow, brown or red I'd say exactly the same thing, and will not let them off the hook cause they are black or cause they came from the ghetto. They are bums funded on blood money.
Since in prior comments the matter was brought up of the conservative side, and of Walter Williams, and Thomas Sowell, here are some excerpts of a current article by Williams. Of course, he touches on the influence of the left on how many blacks in the USA got from then, to now.
Black Self-Sabotage Walter E. Williams July 31, 2013
http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2013/07/31/black-selfsabotage-n1651550
“The truth is that black female-headed households were just 18 percent of households in 1950, as opposed to about 68 percent today. In fact, from 1890 to 1940, the black marriage rate was slightly higher than that of whites. Even during slavery, when marriage was forbidden for blacks, most black children lived in biological two-parent families. In New York City, in 1925, 85 percent of black households were two-parent households. A study of 1880 family structure in Philadelphia shows that three-quarters of black families were two-parent households.”
“Each year, roughly 7,000 blacks are murdered. Ninety-four percent of the time, the murderer is another black person. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, between 1976 and 2011, there were 279,384 black murder victims. Using the 94 percent figure means that 262,621 were murdered by other blacks. Though blacks are 13 percent of the nation's population, they account for more than 50 percent of homicide victims. Nationally, the black homicide victimization rate is six times that of whites, and in some cities, it's 22 times that of whites. I'd like for the president, the civil rights establishment, white liberals and the news media, who spent massive resources protesting the George Zimmerman trial's verdict, to tell the nation whether they believe that the major murder problem blacks face is murder by whites. There are no such protests against the thousands of black murders.”
"They made their first million corrupting middle schoolers (including millions of white boys) and those who today “see nothing wrong” with rebellion, immorality, and lawlessness".
So you believe "Rap" music is responsible for, or even contributes to, rebellion, immorality and lawlessness? What about the factors that were around long before Rap music? Factors such as economic disparities, drug abuse, broken homes and poor education systems? In fact all of these factors are what Rap artists write and rap about. They're not contributing or causing the problems. For the vast majority of Rap artist's, rebellion, immorality, and lawlessness was part of their lives long before they became recording artist's.
Rap music's influence on society is minimal at best, if not non existent. Some have pointed to the lyrics of Ice T's 1992 song "Cop Killer", as the catalyst for the shooting of a Texas State Trooper. That makes as much sense as Madonna's song "Papa Don't Preach" being responsible for out-of-wedlock births!
Overall, Rap music is a "reflection" of the lives of most poverty stricken black adolescents. They like and enjoy the music because they can "identify" with the lyrics. They already know what "bitches and hoes" are. They've already seen their friends, neighbors, or parents get gunned down. They know the local drug dealers and pimps.
The attacks from conservatives and right-wingers on Jay-Z, Snoop Dogg, P-Diddy and the like are purely POLITICAL. If these Rap artists were right-wing, or kept their mouths shut in the political arena, their names would not be mentioned.
A right-wing prime example is Ted Nugent. Many of his songs are explicitly about promiscuity and sex. He himself admits to having sex with underage girls. His music appealed primarily (during his heyday) to white youth. So is Nugent responsible for or contributing to STD's among white youth? Only an idiot would think so.
Still, Nugent's political shenanigans and views are reveled in by right-wing pundits and many politicians. Before Nugent endorsed Mitt Romney for president, Romney personally called him asking for his endorsement. It was no secret that Nugent had made an extremely wild gesture with his machine gun with reference to President Obama. I could only imagine the right-wing outrage if Jay-Z held up a gun at his concert and told the audience that "Mitt Romney could suck on it!"
Those who believe that Rap music is responsible for or contributes to the ills of society are basically "barking up the wrong tree." Conservatives gun rights activists often use the cliche' that "guns don't kill, people do." For the most part, they're right! They're right to point to their 2nd Amendment rights, to which I agree. However, doesn't the same apply to a Rap artist's 1st Amendment rights? Moreover, if "guns don't kill, people do" the same applies to Rap music. "Rap music doesn't cause violence, people do!" You can't agree with one without agreeing with the other...unless you're a hypocrite.
p allen "
Those who believe that Rap music is responsible for or contributes to the ills of society are basically "barking up the wrong tree."
I think it's more like those who don't believe that gangsta rap music doesn't contribute to society's ills have their head in the sand. Gangsta or Gangster rap music glorifies killing and the "thug life", drug dealing and making money. One of the biggest influences in people's live is through the music they listen How can you be blinded to the core problem of out of control black youths allen is beyond me. The Rap much genre is the only genre of music in which the majority of the albums carry a parental advisory label. Now if the lyric aren't a negative influence why would the albums and songs need to carry parental advisory labels to begin with? I remember growing up in the 80's. I remember how rap music was completley different then how it is today, and I mean completely different. Back then rap music wasn't about treating women as "whores, bitches" etc, glorifying drug dealing and "killing niggas", it was about creativity. Rap music was so pure as a genre, you could turn it on and let a 5 year listen to and not think nothing of it. Interesting thing about young black youths listening to rap music back in the 80's,
they weren't trying to be gang bangers, they were taking part in break dancing competitions in subways. You can ignore the reality that is clear as the nose on your face, but I'm not.
Conservatives gun rights activists often use the cliche' that "guns don't kill, people do." For the most part, they're right! They're right to point to their 2nd Amendment rights, to which I agree. However, doesn't the same apply to a Rap artist's 1st Amendment rights? Moreover, if "guns don't kill, people do" the same applies to Rap music. "Rap music doesn't cause violence, people do!" You can't agree with one without agreeing with the other...unless you're a hypocrite.
p allen "
Conservatives gun rights activists often use the cliche' that "guns don't kill, people do." "
"Cliche"? I am going to take a stab in the dark on this one, but I think that gun rights activists are using common sense on that one. Lets try basic common sense 101 allen. How can a firearm shoot someone by itself? Guns are normally held, pointed at their target to shoot, and the trigger is pulled.
p allen "For the most part, they're right! How about 100% they are right.
p allen "They're right to point to their 2nd Amendment rights, to which I agree. However, doesn't the same apply to a Rap artist's 1st Amendment rights? Moreover, if "guns don't kill, people do" the same applies to Rap music."
I have a friend who is white, and he has two boys age 8 and 12,and he told me that he was called a racist, because he told another black person that he would never let his boys listen to rap music. A lot of white parents feel the same way. The music has become verbal garbage. Now my friend isn't a racist by no means, he merely understands how damaging that genre of music is and as a parent is making the educated decision to try and shield his children from it. I can call rap musicians artists, but nobody is denying their first amendment right. It's up to parents to monitor what they children listen to just like with television and video games. Rap music does have an influence on impressionable young minds to try and emulate the glorification of the gangsta hip hop lifestyle, point blank. There are young white kids who live out in the mid west who grew up around firearms, their parents even taught them how to use them. They aren't using guns trying to be gangsta thug, but then again, they weren't exposed to that music growing up either. I'm sure you heard of young boys who use to jump out of windows after thinking they could be superman. There were stories of young teenagers getting run over and killed when the movie Varsity Blues came out in which a scene showed several young boys laying down on the divider line in traffic as part of a stunt. What about the scores of car crashes and deaths that occurred after the street racing movie The Fast and The Furious came out? Again allen, you are so blinded to the truth.
Young minds are impressionable to the visual or audio stimuli around them
p allen "A right-wing prime example is Ted Nugent. Many of his songs are explicitly about promiscuity and sex. He himself admits to having sex with underage girls. His music appealed primarily (during his heyday) to white youth. So is Nugent responsible for or contributing to STD's among white youth? Only an idiot would think so. "
Ok? What percentage of young people listen to Ted Nugent allen? Here's the difference, mostly ADULTS listen to Ted Nugent whereas teenagers listen to gangsta rap. As I stated before, people are clearly more impressionable in their youth then then are as adults. You proved my point without even knowing it. I have no doubt that Nugent's music had an impact on white youth growing up. The music of the late 60's and into 70's influenced the LSD, Pot Smoking , causal sex, hippie lifestyle.
p allen "Only an idiot would think so. "
More like only smart people thinks so and idiots think not. Here's a story from the New York Times allen entitled ?"Under the Influence of…Music
I recommend you read it. I can't believe you claim to teach kids yet you don't understand how their minds work.
Here's a story from NPR entitled
Study: Rap Music Linked to Alcohol, Violence
"A recent study by the Prevention Research Center of the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation in Berkeley, Calif., suggests YOUNG PEOPLE who listen to rap and hip-hop are more likely to abuse ALCOHOL and COMMIT VIOLENT ACTS. The study is also fascinating, because it talks about how black youths are exposed to more alcohol advertising on radio then any other demographic group.
Correcting what I said in response to allen "Ok? What percentage of young people listen to Ted Nugent allen?
I meant to say what percentage of young people listen to Ted Nugent in 2013? Curious allen. Furthermore why did you mention Ted Nugget of all people allen? Is it because he's conservative, and if so, why would that mean anything to me or invalidate what I was saying?
Indigo“Since in prior comments the matter was brought up of the conservative side, and of Walter Williams, and Thomas Sowell, here are some excerpts of a current article by Williams. Of course, he touches on the influence of the left on how many blacks in the USA got from then, to now.
Black Self-Sabotage Walter E. Williams July 31, 2013
http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2013/07/31/black-selfsabotage-n1651550”
Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell do bring up some good points I agree with; however, they are not really relevant in black America today – because they really don’t want to be. They just want to be relevant to white conservatives. Let’s just be real here: Who is Walter Williams and Tom Sowell’s audience? Who are they writing to and for? Let me help you answer the question: white conservatives. Neither one of these men really gives a damn about the problems in black America today, nor the left’s influence on blacks, as that article discusses. They just want to criticize blacks in white conservative media publications. Neither one has EVER reached out to give any speeches or give back any help to blacks in America that would want it or could use it. Instead they do the best they can to distance themselves from blacks and make white conservatives feel that they are the good ‘Negros’ that get it and they are not like those other poor, low-life blacks who choose to vote Democrat.
It is really sad to me because I do think Dr. William and Dr. Sowells have SOME very good points and ideas I agree with. The problem is, like many (NOT ALL) so called ‘black’ conservatives, (as the great Sean Hannity calls them, btw) they simple seem to want approval from white conservatives. So they just write article after article attacking the Obama and criticizing blacks in American. It’s like they are almost saying, “Did I do good conservatives? I’m not one of those stupid blacks who vote Democrat. I’m smart like you and vote Republican! I agree with you that blacks act inferior and you are better, conservatives.” Sowell and Walter might as well just write an article saying they apologize to white America that blacks commit so many crimes and vote Democrat, lol. They probably will not do that, though because I really don’t thing Sowell and Walter really care.
Again, they have some great ideas to help blacks that I agree with, but simply writing articles for white conservative blogs and websites criticizing blacks and the president is not helping anyone. I would like to see them bring these arguments and ideas to the black communities that needs to hear it! Not white conservative blogs and websites. Tom Sowells writes for Towhall.com, right? Well why not have an open town hall and debate the phony, so called race hustlers, poverty pimps, and race baiters like Melissa Harris-Perry, Toure, Michael Eric Dyson and Al Sharpton!! I think that would be great! And I think they could win! But that’s not what Sowells and Williams are really about. They just want to write for conservative websites and blogs criticizing and calling out blacks and/or Obama for brownie points with the hard right.
To keep writing articles to make white conservatives say, “see, even Tom Sowells says blacks need to get it together. Fathers are not there and, etc. See, even Walter Williams agree with us and says blacks hate white people and commit too many crimes in America.”, gets old, tried, and pathetic after a while.
ACM "The music of the late 60's and into 70's influenced the LSD, Pot Smoking , causal sex, hippie lifestyle."
Growing up in that era I recall the long hair, beads, pot smoking and other tripping. Guarantee the music with it was never Tony Bennett and Patti Page. No, more like Beatle's "We All Live In a Yellow Submarine" and other anthems to pill popping, dope shooting, and tripping out. Music reflects yes, but is both cause and effect, especially with gangsta rap with its violent, abusive decadence.
Indigo“Since in prior comments the matter was brought up of the conservative side, and of Walter Williams, and Thomas Sowell, here are some excerpts of a current article by Williams. Of course, he touches on the influence of the left on how many blacks in the USA got from then, to now.
Black Self-Sabotage Walter E. Williams July 31, 2013
http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2013/07/31/black-selfsabotage-n1651550”
Cont: To take it further, Tom Sowell actually said most blacks and whites get along fine today. I laughed my ass off when I read that because why does Sowell feel the need to say that? Of course we know that is more than true, but why say it, lolol. He really wants the approval of white conservatives’ soooo bad. Well looks like he has it. Come on Tom and Walter, tell us about the blacks!
I have much more respect for Dr. Ben Carson, whose career I have been following since I was a teenager(13), than I do these two men (Walter and Sowell). At least Dr. Ben Carson has given back to the black community and poor people. He does not simply just patronize blacks; he actually knows what it is to be poor. He actually gives back with his Carson Scholarship fund and etc. And, unlike Dr. Sowells and Dr. Williams, Dr. Ben. Carson will go to public forums and debate liberals like he did on Fox45 3 months ago.
I just get a little concerned sometimes when right-wing hacks like Sean Hannity and FoxNews leech on to him now. Sean Hannity, FoxNews, and many conservatives in general, are really desperate right now to make it appear that their side is more diverse than it really is. So they fell all over Dr. Ben Carson because of his prayer breakfast speech. They perceived his speech to be a direct attack on Obama and his policies. He immediately, almost overnight, became their possible, great ‘black’ conservative hope, an answer to President Obama and the left. Remember, Herman Cain fell off hard last year because of his infidelity scandal and rape allegations, and they need a new possible hope for 2016. The problem is they will find out Dr. Carson is not quite as conservative as they think or make him out to be. Yes, he seems to a be a fiscal conservative and supports only 'traditional' marriage, but look up his views on other topics, such as the Iraq war and gun control to start.
Some writer/blogger on the Glenn Beck’s The Blaze did a great article on this, telling conservatives to calm down and hold their horses on Dr. Carson, lol; he’s not as conservative as you think. He’s actually an Independent (unaffiliated in MD), not a Republican, that happens to have SOME conservatives views. Just like me.
Marcel "Again, they have some great ideas to help blacks that I agree with, but simply writing articles for white conservative blogs and websites criticizing blacks and the president is not helping anyone. I would like to see them bring these arguments and ideas to the black communities that needs to hear it! Not white conservative blogs and websites. Tom Sowells writes for Towhall.com, right? Well why not have an open town hall and debate the phony, so called race hustlers, poverty pimps, and race baiters like Melissa Harris-Perry, Toure, Michael Eric Dyson and Al Sharpton!! I think that would be great!"
On that, I have often wondered WHY aren't Thomas Sowell and Walter Wiliiams in the public forefront, as I would really like to see them confronting those you listed. You make some stirring points, on which I would offer the following:
Sowell has written extensively on race worldwide, and culture of many blacks in USA, but this non-bookreading generation would not make effort or time to read it.
Sowell has written how he was invited to talk a certain issue on a show, and when he got there they switched the subject, and let the opposing side filibuster him. They fight dirty, real dirty (as Tyrone understands).
Yes, Ben Carson and Bill Cosby took a message of responsibility to the street. Carson was lambasted by blacks on the left, in the typical shut-down fashion. In my hometown, it was a little amusing to see the same left democrat blacks agree with Maya Angelou (no less) that Cosby is a nice man "but has a big mouth!" In other words, "Shut up Cosby!"
Many times I have wondered why such eminently prepared men as W. Williams and T. Sowell are not doing battle publically. What I just wrote is part of it, but perhaps, sadly, Marcel, some of your points, too apply.
Let me also jump in this music debate real fast.
First of all, Ted Nugent? The man who is such a patriotic conservative, but took Meth, shit his own pants and did not clean himself up good, did not wash or clean his teeth for weeks and stopped shaving for weeks, so he would not get drafted for war for his county? That Ted Nugent who says he’s so patriotic? Yuck! He’s a coward piece of shit; that’s nasty as hell!! And like most artful draft dodgers of the times(Vietnam war), he also got a student determent as well. But I don’t give a damn what his political ideology is. Didn’t this clown say he would kill himself if Obama and Hillary won again? Yeah, he should have done that.
Tyrone knows I agree with him when it comes to the Rap Crap music today. I blasted a fraud like Jigga my Nigg#@ Jay-Z who has disrespected black women in his songs and uses the N word. Jay-Z has also promoted vicious black on black drug and gangster violence in his lyrics(See the Streets is Watching movie he made 1998). He is a piece shit to me, too.
But the point is there are CEOs and executives that make millions and billions off these black rap crap hip-hop artists. Universal Music Group, Sony Music Entertainment, Warner Music Group are the three major parent record companies that let this garage come out on the streets. Jay-Z’s Roc-A-fella records, was owned by Def Jam that was in turned now owned the parent company, Universal Music group. Universal also houses Cash Money Records’ Lil Wanye home label.
Who are the CEOs and executives of these companies? Wealthy white and Jewish men who don’t give a damn what the Jay-Zs and Lil Wanye are saying. Warner Music Group did crack down back in the early 90s and dropped the smaller labels (Interscope) that housed 2 Pac and Snoop Dog, but they just moved on to Universal to houses their label(DeathRow) with these artist.
I only bring up wealthy ‘white and Jewish' men since Tyrone, says his white friends tell their sons not to listen it rap crap music. They really have no control over that because teens do what they want when parents are not around. I had young white girls on two different occasion pull up next to me at a stop light blasting hip-hop music. lol. Young white boys and men blasting 2Pac and Notorious BIG in their cars at the supermarket and malls in the county! I am like, wow. Whites are probably the biggest consumer of hip-hop trash music next to blacks, believe it or not. Go on Youtube and see an almost all white crowds who know every single word to the songs of NWA and Wu-Tang Clan songs during rap concerts for 2 decades. Don't take my word for it, go look! Once again, wow. Those white guys and gals know the Wu-Tang albums by heart, word for word!
Also, does, Tyrone and other conservatives even know who the most successful selling rapper of the last decade is?? I will wait…... It’s the 'white' rapper from Detroit: Marshall Mathers Slim Shady Eminem!
This ‘white’ hip-hop rapper sold more records than Jay-Z and Nelly put together - from 1999/2000 to 2009! http://www.sohh.com/2009/05/eminem_crowned_artist_of.html
So maybe these if white music executives at Viacom, who owns BET, should tell them they will not be playing any more offensive hip-hop videos! And Universal and Sony can say tomorrow, no more Jay-Z and Lil Wanye records or videos! And you get no more money for these videos. Why will not they not do this? Because these particular rich white music executives and CEO only care about one color, not black or white: GREEN!
Just had a thought. Someone needs to start a new Show. The real deal where the best are allowed to strut their best.
Yes O'Reilly is #1 cause we know he's an arrogant you know what (which people get addicted to). To me, Sean Hannity has always been as obnoxious as Chris Matthews. They both talk too fast, too much, make long speeches disguised as compound questions, then before guests can answer, they interrupt.
Those of us on this blog could probably produce a more vital and interesting show than that.
CB;"How can you be blinded to the core problem of out of control black youths allen is beyond me".
Core problem???
core- 1. noun, often attributive: a central and often foundational part usually distinct from the enveloping part by a difference in nature
So you believe that Rap music is the "core" of violence among the youth of today? Damn Tyrone, you're more brainwashed than I had previously thought! Forgive me for saying this, but you've crossed the border into stupidity.
You think that if gangster and violent rap lyrics are removed from the societal landscape, black youth will somehow become less violent...or not violent at all?? Conservative propaganda has taken all of your common sense. Bill O'Reilly, Ann Coulter, Mark Levin, etc... are LYING TO YOU! In fact crime rates among black youth has been declining since the mid 90's. How can anyone in their right mind claim that "Rap" music causes violence when violent crime rates among black youth was higher in the 80's and 90's than it is presently??
In Detroit in the 1970's and early 80's the gang problem was out-of-control. The most notorious gang was known as The Errol Flynns. I was just a few years out of high school at the on-set of the Detroit Street Gang culture. I was at home from college on a August night in 1976 when (some claim 200+, but I was in Downtown Detroit at the time) 400-500 gang members stormed into a Average White Band/Kool and the Gang concert at Cobo Hall. I remember that the situation got so bad that the mayor had the police chief call in laid-off police officers. I guess "School Boy Crush" and "Hollywood Swingers" was equivalent to Gangster Rap in 1976...
The NPR article you linked to is a joke. It's pure speculation on the professors part. In the most populated state [California] in the country, empirical studies have shown:
"There is no evidence of increasing violence or crime by urban or suburban youth. Table 1 shows juvenile arrest trends in and around California’s eight largest cities. Table 1a shows juvenile
arrest trends in the 7 counties surrounding California’s largest cities.".
The only reason your conservative propagandists are attacking Rap music is because THEIR (WHITE) KIDS ARE LISTENING TO IT, and they don't like it!!!! They've seen and know about the declining statistics. They just don't tell people like you because they know you'll buy right into their screed.
Most, if not all, Gangster Rap Artist's were street thugs or dope peddlers before they became popular recording artists. If most of them were choir boys before they became rappers, I would concede that you "might" have a point. However, the evidence shows quite the contrary.
With the advent of "Cable Television, The Internet, Social Media and 24-7 news cycles, they're able to create and control almost any narrative. We both have agreed on many occasions that "Media" and many of its pundits drive "false narratives" for self serving purposes. It's done by the right and the left.
CB;"I meant to say what percentage of young people listen to Ted Nugent in 2013? Curious allen. Furthermore why did you mention Ted Nugget of all people allen? Is it because he's conservative, and if so, why would that mean anything to me or invalidate what I was saying?".
I have no idea what percentage of people listen to Nugent presently. Granted, Nugent has been recording for almost 40 years. Moreover, he's sold more than 40 million records. Thats more than Snoop Dogg (20 million), Ice Cube (10 million) and Lil' Wayne (7 million) combined. Still, no one attributes 40 million cases of statutory rape to Ted Nugent.
Heres Nugent's Love Grenade
Look up for yourself the lyrics to "Jail Bait" (aka, "I don't care if you're just thirteen). Look up the lyrics to "Stranglehold". And what do you think he's talking about in his song "Girl Scout Cookies"?
And of course I mentioned him because he's a conservative. That's the whole point! He's a conservative that you, nor other conservative will chastise his lyrics. Frankly and honestly, I like some of Nugents music. I think it's clever and catchy. But clearly I understand that it's just music and it doesn't influence anyone to do something they might already have the inkling to do. On the other hand, conservative propagandist's have hoodwinked you to believe that 3 to 4 minutes of drum beats and syncopated profane infused lyrical content, is the cause of what most black kids see all day long anyway!!
Use your own doggone brain for once Tyrone. Crack cocaine abuse (which is a violent act upon one own body, and completely socially detremental) was rampant for many years in black communities all across the country. How many Rap Records can you quote me that glorified smoking crack? AID's and HIV infiltrated the black community. Did any type of music have an effect on the spread, or preventing the spread? What about drunk driving? Where are they Rap songs about the joys of being drunk on Malt Liquor and getting behind the wheel?
My point is this, these things happen, SIMPLY because PEOPLE HAVE PROBLEMS AND ISSUES IN THEIR LIVES, AND THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THINGS THAT CAN OR WILL DESTROY THEM. Gun violence is prevalent in black communities because our communities have issues such as economic disparities, drug abuse, broken homes and poor education systems. There is gun violence because PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO GUNS!!! It's been estimated that in this country there is a 1 to 1 ratio, meaning that there is at least one gun for every man woman and child in the country.
paa said: How many Rap Records can you quote me that glorified smoking crack?
Zach Humphrey tackles this issue in his editorial, Drugs and Hip-Hop.
paa said: AID's and HIV infiltrated the black community. Did any type of music have an effect on the spread, or preventing the spread?
No - simple answer. However, there were no raps about abstinence nor were there any raps extolling the virtues of remaining monogomous and/or virginal either.
paa said: What about drunk driving? Where are they Rap songs about the joys of being drunk on Malt Liquor and getting behind the wheel?
Drunk-driving rap lyrics ignored written by Billy Yang in the The Daily Utah Chronicle sums it up for that particular question.
paa said: There is gun violence because PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO GUNS!!! It's been estimated that in this country there is a 1 to 1 ratio, meaning that there is at least one gun for every man woman and child in the country.
Blaming gun violence on accessibility to guns is disingenuous. Most criminals obtain their guns illegally. Most (not all) law abidiing citizens obtain and use their weapons legally. By that logic, we should blame all knife-related violence on the easy accessibility of knives/stabbing weapons. Better still, by your reasoning; we should blame all hit and run vehicular deaths on the ease of access to obtaining an automobile.
All of the items used in a person's death are inanimate. The blame falls squarely on the individual choosing to use said item to harm/kill - Personal Accountability.
"If I wasn’t in the rap game, I’d probably have a key
Knee-deep in the crack game,
Because the streets is a short stop,
Either you’re slingin’ crack rock or you got a wicked jump shot"
-Notorious B.I.G., “Things Done Changed”
That verse is from the website you linked to Anon. So, point out where the rapper [Notorious B.I.G] is "glorifying" crack cocaine... I also read through the lyrics of another song "Zack" cited. There you find no glorification of "smoking crack" either.
Anon;"Drunk-driving rap lyrics ignored written by Billy Yang in the The Daily Utah Chronicle sums it up for that particular question".
Okay, a few rappers rapping about getting drunk and driving. But does it cause young impressionable minds to do as he does? I don't think so. Biz Markie recorded a song about "Pickin' Boogers", ever wonder if that became a big fad? On the drunk driving note, here in Michigan a high school principal was caught driving drunk on the school grounds! I wonder if she was listening to Kid Cudi?
Anon;"Blaming gun violence on accessibility to guns is disingenuous. Most criminals obtain their guns illegally".
Really? Blaming criminal gun violence on criminals with guns makes no sense to you? If criminals obtain guns illegally,that means that they're not supposed to have guns, right? However you say that my claim of accessibility to guns is "disingenuous?" Allow me to explain.... IN THIS COUNTRY, GUNS ARE ACCESSIBLE TO ANYONE WHO WANTS ONE, BE THEY A CRIMINAL, A 12 YEAR OLD, OR THE LOCAL PRIEST! In every major metropolitan area, with enough money in your pocket anyone can buy a gun. Yet you believe "accessibility is disingenuous." Perhaps you shouldn't listen to rap... people who think like you can't comprehend and separate fantasy from reality.
"Most (not all) law abidiing citizens obtain and use their weapons legally. By that logic, we should blame all knife-related violence on the easy accessibility of knives/stabbing weapons".
Let me put it this way...when was the last time you cut up your steak with a 357 Magnum? Do you use a switchblade to hunt pheasant? How about slicing and dicing your tomatoes with an AR-15? And your automobile analogy is truly hilarious. "Police Report: Man pulls Ford Focus on bank teller and makes off with bag of cash! The man made a get away riding on a Ginsu Knife Set!"
This is a very dangerous country. You could get cut but a gun, shot by a SUV, or run over by a knife....
Direct quote from paa: There is gun violence because PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO GUNS!!!
Nowhere do you refer to criminals or criminal gun violence. Hence my retort of Blaming gun violence on accessibility to guns is disingenuous.
paa: ...you believe "accessibility is disingenuous
I never said I beleieved that accessibility was disingenuous. I wrote, "Blaming gun violence on accessibility to guns is disingenuous."
You made my point for me with your laughable word twists at the end.
paa:when was the last time you cut up your steak with a 357 Magnum? Do you use a switchblade to hunt pheasant? How about slicing and dicing your tomatoes with an AR-15? And your automobile analogy is truly hilarious. "Police Report: Man pulls Ford Focus on bank teller and makes off with bag of cash! The man made a get away riding on a Ginsu Knife Set!"
None of what you wrote has any bearing on Personal Responsibility.
You made the assumption that we have gun violence because people have access to guns. In response, I substituted other dangerous objects and used your supposition. Subtract the words "gun violence" and "guns" and your supposition falls flat.
There are stabings because PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO KNIVES!!!
There are vehicular homicides because PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO VEHICLES!!!
There are bludgeonings because PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO BASEBALL BATS!!!
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