From hate filled words to hate filled action?
I keep going back and forth on the reason why the Obama masses have this seemingly unstable, uncontrollable, vile, toxic, venomous hatred towards Governor Sarah Palin of Alaska. When I listened to what she said during the campaign, it sounded positive and upbeat. When I listened to the hate spew from the Obamatrons towards Palin, it was exactly that, pure unadulterated hate. I really do believe that the hate towards Palin from the "illusionary tolerant" left towards Palin has to do with the fact that she is 1. a woman 2. a conservative 3. a deep woman of faith 4. she dared to attack Obama and the liberal's Messiahs. Putting all of her variables together, it's easy to understand why Obamatrons were sent into an irrationally unstable mental meltdown. For eight years the left had to deal with their illness of Bush Derangement Syndrome or BDS. They had a vessel in which to channel their inner hatred. People that are hateful by nature never let go of it, they always need a new target in which to channel it. Obama kooks now have a case of "S.P.O.T.S" Sarah Paln Obsession Traumatic Syndrome". Even though liberals are clearly suffering from a bad case of SPOTS. What one person infected with SPOTS did was clearly unthinkable. Yesterday an arsonist set fire to the church Sarah Palin and her family attends causing one million dollars worth of damage.
Forget about "CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN" could this act of arson against Palin's church be called "HATE WE CAN BELIEVE IN"? Most liberals aren't big fans of people of faith anyways. These are the people that verbally attack Christians and Jews. They make fun of them as entertainment on television and in movies. Liberals call Christians names such as "Jesus Freaks", Bible Thumpers" and "Hollly Rollers" etc. I do believe 100% that the person that set the fire to Palin's church is an unhinged Palin hater and Obama cult loyalist. It's sickening that any place of worship would be destroyed for any reason. I hope that the kook is caught swiftly and is punished mercilessly.
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 10:53 AM
23 Comments:
I'm sorry but I think everyone from the Daily KOS is a suspect and the freak who hung a dummy that looks like Sarah Palin is suspect too.
As much as I dislike Obama and left wing kooks I never thought of offing Obama because that is psycho behavior!
The left is very hateful and I think the left is dangerous not just deluded! I believe we should fight the left not with the same disregard for the law but with truth and the legal system!
These creeps flaunt the law because they don't respect the law or diversity as they often preach they do!
What is even more sickening to me is that the media won't acknowledge this a hate crime or terrorism!
Destroying property be it religious or otherwise is not free speech it's a crime!
CB;"I do believe 100% that the person that set the fire to Palin's church is unhinged Palin hater and Obama cult loyalist."
Tyrone....Tyrone...You're kidding right?? 100%???
Was this church set afire by the followers of an; "airhead, clueless of world event's, dead turkey pardoning nit-wit, sorriest VP pick in history who caused the candidate to lose..." type of person?
And I don't hate Sarah Palin. I just think that she dumber than skinny dipping in Wasilla in January...
chilerkle "I'm sorry but I think everyone from the Daily KOS is a suspect and the freak who hung a dummy that looks like Sarah Palin is suspect too."
It would surprise me if the arsonist is a member of the Daily kooks, Democrat Underground or the Huffington Post chilerkle. I wouldn't put NOTHING pass those freaks period.
Chilerkle "As much as I dislike Obama and left wing kooks I never thought of offing Obama because that is psycho behavior!"
Here's something about us conservatives Chilerkle that liberals never noticed. When Obama picked Joe Biden, we really didn't focus on or become obvsessed with Joe Biden. Eventhough Biden was a loose cannon when ever he opened his mouth. I wonder why Biden never bothered us to the extent that Palin bothers Obama supporters?
chilerkle "The left is very hateful and I think the left is dangerous not just deluded! I believe we should fight the left not with the same disregard for the law but with truth and the legal system!"
I rather it be the legal system myself chilerkle. Us conservatives are always upbeat out the best for our country, liberals are just miserable by design. When Obama won, I thought for sure these people would finally let go of their hate towards Palin and Bush, no such luck. Misery loves company, and Obama cultists prove it with every action and in this case deed they do. I hope the person that hacked her email gets 15 years in prison, and the arsonist gets life.
chilerkle "These creeps flaunt the law because they don't respect the law or diversity as they often preach they do!"
As long as these two faced, double tongued hypocrites have the media on their side, they will continue to do exactly what they do chilerkle. Here's an example of hypocrisy. Liberals contently spew that Reagan was just an actor and Palin is stupid yet in the same breath NOW they want all of us to "GIVE OBAMA A CHANCE". I can't stand those phonies.
chilerkle "What is even more sickening to me is that the media won't acknowledge this a hate crime or terrorism!
Destroying property be it religious or otherwise is not free speech it's a crime!"
How about that chilerkle lol. If Obama's old church Trinity United Cult of Christ was torched, the media would be on the scene as it is happening calling it a "HATE CRIME". I don't know what is happening to our country, but the lower denominator of people are starting to represent the "immoral majority".
p allen "Tyrone....Tyrone...You're kidding right?? 100%???"
If you can quote me laughing allen, then by all means go right ahead.
p allen "Was this church set afire by the followers of an; "airhead, clueless of world event's, dead turkey pardoning nit-wit, sorriest VP pick in history who caused the candidate to lose..." type of person?"
At first I thought you were talking about Obama allen. To answer your question though, no the fire wasn't set by the supporters of a former mayor, current Governor, former Vice Presidential candidate who is a mother of five that has tons more morality, common decency and integrity then the followers of the person that will be sworn in next month allen. I hope I answered your question.
p allen "And I don't hate Sarah Palin. I just think that she dumber than skinny dipping in Wasilla in January..."?
Dumb Allen?lol As president I truly pray that Obama will finally understand that Afghans don't speak Arabic and that our country only has 50 states. Moreover I hope that Obama when he destroys our health care system at least understands the difference between a "breathalyzer" and a "insulator".You want to talk about DUMB?lol rich allen even for you. If Obama actually ran something in his life, I might put him on par with Palin at best.
Tyrone,
Keep in mind those who bash Palin during and after the election used terms for her like "white whore," "trailer park trash," "white bimbo," etc. If they had used those terms for any other race and for a woman who is not conservative as she is, then they would have been accused of BOTH racism and sexism, and RIGHTFULLY SO. But because they engage in this hate-filled rhetoric against a woman of faith, they get a free pass from obsessive fans of Obama.
And we are supposed to take them seriously talking about another's intelligence when they engage in that type of rhetoric?
It sure exposes them as the nutjobs and anti-intellectuals that they are the ones that truly are.
It is laughable liberals continue to claim Palin was the reason McCain lost. McCain would have lost no matter what because of combination of the bad economy, and people seeing it a hip thing to vote for the first black candidate for President to make him our first black President, many of who don't even know what his policies are. Without Palin, McCain would have not that many conservative votes that he did get. It would have been a much, much bigger victory for Obama.
If Palin hurt McCain's chances, how did she manage to draw a crowd that McCain can't without her?
It is funny people talk about her so-called mistakes about the VP position, but give free passes to Biden. Palin had months to prepare to understand what goes on with Washington. Biden had decades, and he has a lot less excuse than Palin does, and he somehow is seen as much more intelligence than her over this?
Unbelievable.
P. Allen
Are you angry? Black women are hockey mamas, and black women hunt animaLS for food. She was the Republican campaign because there was no way McCain was going to win against the man from Harvard with a deep tan articulate at that. Palin was the best thing of the campaign. She was a threat to Obama as she represent the majority of America. The Islamo-Marxist from Harvard spent money big time from unknown sources, money the Republican didnt have. I appreciate Mrs. Palin: She is a married woman still with her husband, takes care of 5 children, works, and has not abandoned her pregnant daughter. She fits most black women who work and take care of children without a man who stayed.
CB says;"To answer your question though, no the fire wasn't set by the supporters of a former mayor, current Governor, former Vice Presidential candidate who is a mother of five, ect..."
Yet you're 100% sure that the fire in Palins church was set by Obama supporters??
Only one of two things could make you 100% sure of who is responsible for the fire. Since you live roughly about 3000 miles away from Wasilla, you would need an "Enchanted Crystal Ball", or have an extreme paranoid bias toward Obama supporters.
Anonymous says;"P. Allen
Are you angry? Black women are hockey mamas, and black women hunt animaLS for food."
Angry at what??? I didn't bomb anything. I don't even like being around explosives...
I'm sure that there are some "black hockey moms" somewhere, it's just that I don't know any. The same goes for black women who hunt animals for food...
thuyen tran
"Keep in mind those who bash Palin during and after the election used terms for her like "white whore," "trailer park trash," "white bimbo," etc."
Don't forget the other words they called her thuyen like "caribou barbie" and a "milf".
thuyen tran "
If they had used those terms for any other race and for a woman who is not conservative as she is, then they would have been accused of BOTH racism and sexism, and RIGHTFULLY SO. But because they engage in this hate-filled rhetoric against a woman of faith, they get a free pass from obsessive fans of Obama."
So very true. The real hatred of Palin is like you said, she is a female conservatives that has deep roots in her Christian faith. I think I'm going to pick up a copy of Coulter's new book "godless". Maybe I can then understand why liberals have such a deep angst against people of faith.
thuyen tran "It is laughable liberals continue to claim Palin was the reason McCain lost. McCain would have lost no matter what because of combination of the bad economy, and people seeing it a hip thing to vote for the first black candidate for President to make him our first black President, many of who don't even know what his policies are."
Liberals are so stupid thuyen, they don't realize that buy saying that Palin cost McCain the election, they are completely contradicting themselves on so many levels.
I remember when the drones were comparing McCain to Bush calling McCain McBush If Palin truly was the reason why McCain lost, then the economy wasn't the issue then like the media reported as the number one issue based on the exit polls. Liberals said that it was "time for change". If that was the case, then once again they contradicted themselves by saying it was Palin, because Palin wasn't apart of the Bush administration. They either can't get their lies straight or they really don't know why Obama won. It could be both.
thuyen tran "
Without Palin, McCain would have not that many conservative votes that he did get. It would have been a much, much bigger victory for Obama."
The media and the Obamatrons are trying to manipulate reality thuyen tran. If a conservative was running, there would have been no way Obama would have won in traditionally red states.
thuyen tran "
If Palin hurt McCain's chances, how did she manage to draw a crowd that McCain can't without her?"
Don't use logic thuyen, you will only confuse liberals. Libs honestly think that most of the 57 million people that voted for McCain/ Pain did so because of McCain at the top of the ticket.
Thuyen Tran "And we are supposed to take them seriously talking about another's intelligence when they engage in that type of rhetoric?"
lol lol lol, In their world yes thuyen, we are suppose to take them seriously . These are the same people that don't even know the three branches of government, what the constitution is, know nothing about world history or even U.S History, yet they are the functioning illiterate authorities on the intelligence of Governor Sarah Palin of Alaska, I doubt most of them even know who their U.S Senators are.
Thuyen Tran "
It is funny people talk about her so-called mistakes about the VP position, but give free passes to Biden. Palin had months to prepare to understand what goes on with Washington. Biden had decades, and he has a lot less excuse than Palin does, and he somehow is seen as much more intelligence than her over this?"
The liberal's fantasy land claim is that "Biden lowered the bar on the debate". I use to debate in High School, and I don't know how a debate can be lowered to favor a person that isn't good at it. Biden flat out got beat and that is the best excuse they can come up with.
"The real hatred of Palin is like you said, she is a female conservatives that has deep roots in her Christian faith."
They should hate the Constitution then. No, it does not use the word Christian or God. But it does use the term "blessings of liberty." Liberty back then was a Christian term (not to mention it is used in the Bible). Not to mention the word blessings, which means happiness (word used in the Declaration, which said such things come from God), is also a Christian word, if one reads psalms and the beautitudes.
"Blessings of liberty" are things liberals probably if they know the roots of those terms would hate.
"These are the same people that don't even know the three branches of government, what the constitution is, know nothing about world history or even U.S History, yet they are the functioning illiterate authorities on the intelligence of Governor Sarah Palin of Alaska, I doubt most of them even know who their U.S Senators are."
I don't have a problem with people not knowing US history or world history. And I say that as a person with a BA in history, who aced most of my history classes in college (UCF). Not every person is going to be good at history. And there are subjects like sciences that no one would want to hear my advice on, since I am not good at them.
The problem is that while the ones that don't know history seem to talk like how others are stupid for disagreeing with them about history, such as original intent. I don't mean certain liberals in this forum, but many liberals I run into over the years.
It makes me think of a Bible verse that says it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.
Them pretending to know what they are talking about while yelling the word stupid to those who disagree with them on history, make them look that foolish.
P. Allen:
I know you dont know any black mamas who actually hunt animals for food, but you know many black mamas who go to KFc or the market and buy, cook and eat food others have hunted and killed.
Are you angry at anything or you just want to be noticed. Michigan is filled with much hate and victimhood, both native and immigrant. Man become a victor, not a victim. Victims are fodder for race hustlers of all kinds. Booker T. Washington said the same about the black leaders of his day.
Remember the great debate between W.E. Dubois and Booker T. W.E. thought that a Harvard education was so superior and Booker T. said we also needed builders, workers, etc. W.E. was an elitist and Booker T. was a regular Black American. Booker T. was the man.
W.E. thought that he was better than Booker T. because of his skin color, a thing happening today i.e Jeremiah Wright and his ilk.
P.Allen man stop the anger. The time is over. A black man in the White House can do no more for blacks than a white man can do. Blacks and all Americans have to fight to keep the American states free from IslamoMarxist flood resulting from the ACLU, NAASCP,
and FEAR. Will you defend the BLACKS this time or will you blame the white man again when he has to defend his own family this time.
C.B:
Do you mind if I refer to the words of the great visionary - Julian Bond?
"a vote for a Republican is a vote for another black church being burned"
I have been reading Black left wing blogs over the past few days on the subject of the Union Auto Manufacturer bailout and this church burning. I have seen the same type of HATRED displayed in them as Right Wing, White Racist groups are labeled with.
The NAACP, ACLU and other leftist groups that jump on all HATE CRIMES and crimes of mass intimidation will be SILENT on this one.
This has to be understood in the context of the fact that they use these type of hateful acts as POLITICAL BATTERING RAMS. When the victim fits their agenda - they are vocal. When the victim IS their typical enemy they won't say a word.
You'd expect them to speak out against this for the sake of consistency. If anyone thinks that they are consistent - this person is wrong.
Hate crime? Faulty wiring? Some local kid on a methamphetamine jag?
Might be worthwhile waiting for the results of the investigation before you get your knickers in a knot.
My bets are on the meth head. Alaska grows them like salmon.
Almost every time I debate a liberal and ask them to prove what they said happend, they always try to reverse the attack and say "prove that it didn't happen. So I'm going to beat them at their own game in regards to the fire bombing of Palin's church. I have been asked by liberals for me to prove that an Obama cultist fired bombed Palin's church, well now I say PROVE THAT AN OBAMA CULTIST "DIDN'T FIRE BOMB PALIN's church liberals,
thuyen tran "I don't have a problem with people not knowing US history or world history. And I say that as a person with a BA in history, who aced most of my history classes in college (UCF). Not every person is going to be good at history. And there are subjects like sciences that no one would want to hear my advice on, since I am not good at them."
Thuyen, I'm not talking about people being historians on history, they're are alot of idiots in this country that don't know the BASICS in respect to U.S and World History. Many of them don't even know how their government even works!! If you were to ask an average Obama supporter what are the roles of the legislative, executive and judicial branches of government, they will give you a BLANK STARE. Yet these are the very same people that question Palin's intelligence.
constructive feedback "
Do you mind if I refer to the words of the great visionary - Julian Bond?
"a vote for a Republican is a vote for another black church being burned"
Julian Bond is a deranged putz constructive. He obviously isn't very versed in history. Anybody with an ounce of common sense "excluding Bonds" knows that it was the Democrats that burned black churches in the south through their defacto group the Klu Klux Klan.
constructive feedback "
The NAACP, ACLU and other leftist groups that jump on all HATE CRIMES and crimes of mass intimidation will be SILENT on this one."
I haven't heard one story on the network news or radio except for talk radio about the fire at Palin's church constructive. How in the world is it possible for the media not to report the firebombing of the church of the recent high profile Vice Presidential candidate? With a straight face, there is no way the media can make up an excuse for not covering this constructive.
constructive feedback "This has to be understood in the context of the fact that they use these type of hateful acts as POLITICAL BATTERING RAMS. When the victim fits their agenda - they are vocal. When the victim IS their typical enemy they won't say a word."
Another term for what you said constructive is "Liberal Selective Outrage". It's apart of their two faced hypocrisy.
Ducky's Here "Hate crime? Faulty wiring? Some local kid on a methamphetamine jag?"
Nah Ducky, How about a kooky Obamatron cult member suffering from Sarah Palin Obsession Disorder decided to destroy a place of worship in order to get at Palin. That sounds more factual.
Ducky's Here "Might be worthwhile waiting for the results of the investigation before you get your knickers in a knot."
If it turns out Ducky that an Obama kook isn't responsible,the I will apologize. Until that happens I believe it is an Obama kook that firebombed Palin's church.
Ducky's Here "My bets are on the meth head. Alaska grows them like salmon."
I kind of doubt that Ducky. Alaska is a red state not a blue state you know.
CB says;"I have been asked by liberals for me to prove that an Obama cultist fired bombed Palin's church, well now I say PROVE THAT AN OBAMA CULTIST "DIDN'T FIRE BOMB PALIN's church liberals."
Don't forget about these folks! The really do seem to have a bone to pick with Palin.
Yet, it's still all SPECULATION!
How is speculation proof of anything? No witnesses, no photo's or video, no confessions, no nothing... but speculation. What's worse Tyrone is that you're (as I said before) THOUSANDS of miles away from the scene of the crime.
Yet, you still haven't gotten over the Republicans losing the election. So, you're concocting this vision of "Obama Liberals Gone Wild" on the attack against your beloved, "Save the McCain ticket/energize the party/our conservative savior, Sarah Palin!
Sorry Tyrone, McCain did'nt lose only on the economic issues. He lost based on his "bad choices", Palin being one of them! Face it, Palin is a bimbo, a dupe, a laughingstock. McCain lost, Palin was right there with him, she lost also...., it's over, get over it!
P Allen "
Yet, you still haven't gotten over the Republicans losing the election. So, you're concocting this vision of "Obama Liberals Gone Wild" on the attack against your beloved, "Save the McCain ticket/energize the party/our conservative savior, Sarah Palin!"
I told you before allen, McCain was Barack Obama with the letter R by his name. I've been gotten over the election the next day. So don't flatter yourself really lol.I also said a few weeks ago that for every Carter a Reagan must follow. Also, I can care less that the "Republicans" lost the election allen. I'm a conservative before anything else allen, you should know this by now. As for "Obama liberals gone wild". they are mentally disturbed allen. It is what it is. Most Obamatrons are very angry and hostile. They remind me of people infected with the rage virus in the move "28 days". As for Palin, it's one of your Obama psycho's that fire bombed the church allen. I don't have to speculate, I know how liberals operate. Liberals hate the military, I know this for a fact regardless of the lipservice they give. A few months ago an army recruitment center in New York City was bombed. You posted a link stating that possibly a gay activist could have bombed Palin's church. Pop quiz allen, would gays have been more inclined to vote for McCain/Palin or Obama/Biden? Take your time answering. Also what Presidential candidate was in support of Prop 8 in California thus making gays more loyal to support that candidate? In other words allen, your link actually proved my claim. thanks
As for Palin "saving the ticket and energizing the base" She was able to do that, but at the end of the day people vote for the top of the ticket which was McCain. If she wasn't on the ticket and a conservative wasn't picked, he would have lost by way more then he did.
P Allen "Sorry Tyrone, McCain did'nt lose only on the economic issues. He lost based on his "bad choices", Palin being one of them! Face it, Palin is a bimbo, a dupe, a laughingstock. McCain lost, Palin was right there with him, she lost also...., it's over, get over it!"
Once again allen, you need to learn to be able to bring your "A" against me. According to the exit polls. The economy was the number one issue. Matter of fact McCain was leading in the polls right up until the stock market started its deep declines.
Read it an weep
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122584499389399483.html#articleTabs%3Dinteractive
Faltering Economy And Voter Antipathy To Bush Propelled Illinois Democrat's Historic Victory
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/11/05/politics/main4572555.shtml
Sorry Allen, but Obama won due to circumstances of the economy that wasn't in no candidate's control but Obama was seen as the best person to deal with it and McCain was somehow linked to the reason it the downturn got started. I think deep down you know I'm right. You know that if Commander in blow doesn't fix this economy by 2012, he's butt is gone. I bet you said in 1980 that there would have been no way the country would have elected a "dumb actor" over Carter, am I right allen?lol Face it Palin will be seen as a god sent if the economy continues to get worse. Just like the old saying allen "It's the economy stupid" lol lol lol
CB;"Once again allen, you need to learn to be able to bring your "A" against me. According to the exit polls. The economy was the number one issue. Matter of fact McCain was leading in the polls right up until the stock market started its deep declines."
The "A++" game is always on point Tyrone...
I said the economy wasn't the "ONLY" issue. (look before you leap!)
You know darn well Palin was put on the ticket to "woo" women voters. Sure, she's a Republican with conservative and evangelical credentials, which in turn energized the conservative base.
But the fact is she did nothing, absolutely nothing, to "woo", "wow", or tip the balance on the gender, age, income, educational or racial vote. Do you think for one minute that choosing Palin could have made a difference in the Black vote? The Hispanic vote? The Asian vote? The Women vote? The Youth vote? The College student and College grad vote?
As far as making an impact on the outcome of the election, Palin did NOTHING! Conservative Republicans who vote Republican voted for McCain because Palin was one the ticket. Independents were'nt tipped, minorities weren't tipped, hell even some Republicans jumped ship because of Palin!
CB;"You posted a link stating that possibly a gay activist could have bombed Palin's church. Pop quiz allen, would gays have been more inclined to vote for McCain/Palin or Obama/Biden?"
They are obviously Alaska residents. I would bet they voted for "Gov. Palin" after the previous governor got caught up in political corruption...
So they went from BDS to PDS? Not surprised one little bit. But they better not go to Alaska during hunting season...
P Allen "The "A++" game is always on point Tyrone..."
cough debatable cough cough debatable
P Allen "
I said the economy wasn't the "ONLY" issue. (look before you leap!)"
The reasons the cult voted for Obama allen was
1. The economy
2. He's black
3. "Change"
4. McCain was linked to Bush
5. The Republican brand was tarnished
Of course number 2 would never show up in the exit polls even though it was a factor. You also failed to acknowledge allen that Republicans got spanked in congressional races as well, that further validates my argument that the Republican brand was not in favor this election. It was a perfect storm of many things that worked against McCain and Palin was not one of them by far. Can you provide proof that Palin was a negative factor when people went to vote for Obama allen? yes or no
P Allen "You know darn well Palin was put on the ticket to "woo" women voters. Sure, she's a Republican with conservative and evangelical credentials, which in turn energized the conservative base."
So using your attempt at "logic" no woman could ever be taken seriously for a Republican Vice President position, because she would only be picked for the ticket based on her gender allen?
PUT THE EGGNOG DOWN!!!You liberals slay me allen lol. First you all talk about the need for "diversity", yet you criticize it when you get what you claim you want. Yes Palin is a woman, and I voted for her based on her as a person not a gender. Liberals have to break people down into categories, conservatives look at the overall package allen. I can't answer your question on whether McCain picked Palin so he could appeal to women. Only he knows the answer to that. All I know now is that McCain is history and Palin is the news now. Her being a Republican conservative with Evangelical credentials may have been the sole reason he picked her allen, did you ever think of that?
P Allen "But the fact is she did nothing, absolutely nothing, to "woo", "wow", or tip the balance on the gender, age, income, educational or racial vote. Do you think for one minute that choosing Palin could have made a difference in the Black vote? The Hispanic vote? The Asian vote? The Women vote? The Youth vote? The College student and College grad vote?
Wrong again allen. You just admited that she energized that conservative base that actually stuck around to vote for him, and that was the reason she was picked. So you just contradicted yourself YET AGAIN. Even with that being said, people overall vote for the top of the ticket. I bet if a poll was done on the percentage of people that voted for McCain just because of Palin, the percentage would be over 70 to 80%
That would prove that McCain himself was a weak candidate. When his VP pick was more popular by 10 times then McCain himself, what did that say about McCain's appeal to attract voters? Palin more then did her job.
P Allen" As far as making an impact on the outcome of the election, Palin did NOTHING! Conservative Republicans who vote Republican voted for McCain because Palin was one the ticket."
Independents were'nt tipped, minorities weren't tipped, hell even some Republicans jumped ship because of Palin!
Just like Ronald Reagan use to say, "Well there you go again" allen. Yet another contradiction. That makes two in two statements allen,your on a roll lol. You just admitted again that people voted for McCain because Palin was on the ticket. She brought in votes that McCain wouldn't have gotten. As for Independents, that was suppose to have been McCain's expertise. He was called the so called "maverick", the Republican country club elites were the ones saying eight months ago that McCain was the best candidate to face either Hillary or Obama because he was able to attract independents. The fact is that McCain didn't have a solid message in which to attract independents. He was change positions everyday. When the economy became an issue, he didn't have a leg to stand on and Obama nailed him on it.McCain lost among Hispanics even though he kissed the ring of La Raza and championed the amnesty bill. So much loyalty I suppose.
As for blacks, they of course voted for Obama based on the obvious.
CB;"You posted a link stating that possibly a gay activist could have bombed Palin's church. Pop quiz allen, would gays have been more inclined to vote for McCain/Palin or Obama/Biden?"
P Allen "They are obviously Alaska residents. I would bet they voted for "Gov. Palin" after the previous governor got caught up in political corruption..."
Let me see I am stating this right allen. You are saying that a person that voted for Palin decided to fire bomb her church? That's funny lol lol
CB;"Yet another contradiction. You just admited that she energized that conservative base that actually stuck around to vote for him, and that was the reason she was picked. So you just contradicted yourself YET AGAIN."
Put on your thinking cap Tyrone and read this very carefully.
Energizing, or "rallying" YOUR own base, is not what win's an election. Especially a "PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION"!!! Case in point- McCAIN LOST! Case in point- 1980 & 84 Reagan Democrats!
Your base is what keeps you in the running, but your base alone cannot "WIN" a presidential election.
CB;"As for blacks, they of course voted for Obama based on the obvious."
So, would those blacks you're talking about be considered a "BASE"???? So according to your idea that I'm "contradicting" myself, Obama could have won without the white vote because his "BASE", (aka blacks), were so "energized" the black vote would have been all that was needed for him to win!
Simply put, your base is what you already have. The idea is to add to what you have, to get to what you need... Palin didn't do that!
As I said PALIN DID NOTHING TO WOO VOTERS TO THE McCAIN TICKET! The Republicans and conservatives that voted for McCain would have voted for the ticket if he had chose a monkey as his running mate.
And let us remember one thing- the diehard Democrat feminist and black voters, that liberals say Palin failed to attract, have NEVER voted for Republicans in the first place, regardless of who the candidate is. So why is Palin blamed for the Republican loss this time around? It would not have mattered WHO was chosen for VP, since those groups would NOT have voted Republican in the first place.
Palin did attract SOME Hilary female supporters.
In terms of the reason why McCain lost, it has alot to do with the economy. Republicans got blamed for the economy, pure and simple.
And McCain is seen as not conservative at all.
I find it funny liberals say conservatives would have voted for McCain no matter what, and no matter who his choice of VP was.
That displays not knowing how conservatives think.
A large number of conservatives were planning on either sitting out this election OR voting for a third party candidate BEFORE Palin was chosen to run for VP.
The talk about Palin is to blame, on grounds she does not add to the conservative base, is silly.
It is basically telling Republicans to do the things that cost them elections IN THE PAST.
That is compromise their conservative views and sell them out. That sure did not help them in the two Presidential elections against Bill Clinton, especially the second one.
And it sure did not convince anybody on the Democratic side to vote for them.
Palin being a pick kept the Republicans from a total landslide defeat.
The economy and the perception of MCain being anti-conservative cost McCain the election.
Palin kept it from being as bad a defeat as it could have been.
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