Not Mad Because You're Gay But Am Mad At Gay People
Those aren't my words. That is the title of a video I came across which was created by a black gentleman by the name of Stacy. I was completely blown away by how this guy thinks. He created a video a few years ago on the issue of gay marriage and the black community. This guy completely destroyed the whole myth about gay marriage being an issue about "equal rights". He also exposed the truth about homosexuality in the first place. It would be a sight to see the gay marriage advocate debate Stacy on this. All I can say is that it wouldn't be pretty. Some people just have a gift for being able to see through BS, when it is presented to them. This is a quick side note.If anyone has evidence of the existence of the "gay gene", please let me know. I've been asking this for years and still no answer.
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 1:29 AM
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I have nothing against homosexuals. I have a family member who's gay, I've went to school with homosexuals and work with them too.
Martin Luther King Jr. said to judge a person of the content of his/her character. Sure, I've came across a gay people whom I did not like; I was being accused of being homophobic. No. I think [t]he person is looking for an fight and try to make me feel guilty.
Yeah, I was wondering why the term "homophobia" has to be fear or bigotry toward gay people? Homo is part of a genus word for human being; homo sapien (human), homosexual (gay/lesbian)??????
Finally, when the American Psychiatric Unit later took homosexuality off the case of mental disorder, how does it compare to those who are attracted to animals or members of their family? I have no problems with a same-sex relationship, but I cannot fathom someone being intimate with an animal or a blood relative. Maybe I have a mental disorder.
anon "Martin Luther King Jr. said to judge a person of the content of his/her character. Sure, I've came across a gay people whom I did not like; I was being accused of being homophobic. No. I think [t]he person is looking for an fight and try to make me feel guilty. "
Protecting Marriage is about retaining the core definition of how it was founded. It has nothing to do with altering in the name of "equality".If this issue was truly about simply having equal rights, then the gay and lesbian community would have been pushing to have and strengthen the civil union laws in their perspective states so that it is parallel to that of the rights in marriage, problem solved. Government got into the marriage business, but it didn't create it. Civil Unions is a union that the government created and thus has the power to mold as societies sees fit.
anon "Finally, when the American Psychiatric Unit later took homosexuality off the case of mental disorder, how does it compare to those who are attracted to animals or members of their family? I have no problems with a same-sex relationship, but I cannot fathom someone being intimate with an animal or a blood relative. Maybe I have a mental disorder."
Yes, due to political correctness pressure they retracted. I have no problem with gay and lesbain relationships. I may not agree with them, but I am not going to storm their bedrooms or anything like that. All I want is for the union of marriage as it was founded to be preserved, that is it. Also, you may not be able to fathom people being intimate with animals and blood relatives, but it does happen. Furthermore, those same people or other people can relate to those alternative lifestyles but can't fathom the thought of gay or lesbian relations. It goes both ways.
anon "
Yeah, I was wondering why the term "homophobia" has to be fear or bigotry toward gay people? Homo is part of a genus word for human being; homo sapien (human), homosexual (gay/lesbian)??????"
Those who use the term homophobe to describe people who support marriage are cowards. They use the term as a weapon, because they can't defend their own cause on it's on merits. It's the same as when they call someone who is against radical islam an "Islamaphobe" or being against illegal aliens as being "bigots or racists" etc etc.
anon "Martin Luther King Jr. said to judge a person of the content of his/her character. Sure, I've came across a gay people whom I did not like; I was being accused of being homophobic. No. I think [t]he person is looking for an fight and try to make me feel guilty"
I thought the complete context of what Dr King said was "to not judge a person by the color of his or her skin but by the context of their character. Truth in advertising is always the best way to go. With that said, Marriage is something that is bigger and more important then what any person said historically especially when that man was making a speech in reference to race. I judge people as individuals, well at least that is normally my intent. I have no problem with gays having certain benefits that married people have, I just don't want the marriage bastardized in the name of "equality". I think it's pretty straightforward.
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
For more historic documents, goto http://www.ushistory.org/documents/i-have-a-dream.htm
Your telling some body else to use the complete context but you didnt use the complete context yourself. No truth in your advetising huh!
Gerald T-
Let me quote what this "You Tube Video" guy says at the end of his screed.
"Stand up for what is yours, they're standing up for what is theirs. That two to four percent is taking your rights. Let them do what they want to do, and be what they want to be, but don't let them take your rights".
Ahhhh, what rights have they taken, or will take from me? I'd really like to know. If there is a "right" (be it a human right, legal right, spiritual right, economic right, what ever..,) can someone please tell me. If there is a right that I will lose because of homosexuals, I'll be the first to join in to prevent them from getting married.
Secondly, how can I "let them do what they want to do" if they're wanting to "take my rights?"
Anon;"how does it compare to those who are attracted to animals or members of their family?".
I'm dead set against people having sex with, let alone attempting to marry an animal. I'd also be the first in line protesting if some group or organization were to attempt to classify an animal as a "citizen" or a person. Animal rights activist are a bit whacked, but I don't think they're that stupid...
I also find incest appalling. However, as you may know, for years right here on American soil, many rural families practice incest. However, close family members (brother, sister, or first cousin)are typically ashamed of their incestual deeds. For the most part, close family wanting to marry is out of the question due to both wanting to keep the relationship a secret.
CB;"All I want is for the union of marriage as it was founded to be preserved, that is it".
Would that also include "jumping the broom?" What about "marital conversions?" Maybe you want to preserve "open marriages?" How about "common law marriages, forced marriages, trial marriages, ect... How about divorce? Does divorce "preserve" marriage?
I haven't heard one solid coherent viable clear understandable reason of opposition from those who claim they are against gays getting "LEGALLY" married...not one! I'll say this again- I don't "endorse" it, however, I can care less if gay people are "legally" married.
The guy on the video claimed that "rights would be taken." My very simple question is "what rights?" Tyrone says he only wants to "preserve marriage as it was founded". Do you really know how "marriage was founded" Tyrone? Are you talking about ancient Hebrew marriage that required a man to become the husband of a deceased brother's widow? Perhaps you're talking about marriage where adulterous women were stoned to death. Perhaps how it was "founded" in America, where blacks and whites were forbidden to marry.
Thus, your wanting to "preserve" marriage as it was "founded" is totally off kilter. Marriage was not "founded" under one particular form. There were, and still are many type of marriages.
I think you and others should just come clean and admit you just do like the idea of two men being married. I'll be honest here. I honestly think it's disgusting. But I didn't write the laws of this land which clearly says "All men are created equal" and "equal treatment under the law." Two gay people being married wouldn't effect you no more than an 18 year old girl marrying a 90 year old man.
CB-It's the same as when they call someone who is against radical islam an "Islamaphobe" or being against illegal aliens as being "bigots or racists" etc etc"
I had a problem with a Jewish person with a bad attitude, then I was accused of antisemitism and got reprimanded for it.
Also, what does racism has to do with illegal immigrants? Only if they're coming from south of the border, or across the Pacific. Here in Washington, we had a lot of cases where Chinese were hiding in shipping containers. Some of them died due to being "cooked" inside while sailing across the sea or by starvation and not properly disposing their wastes, no matter how well stocked they are.
We had a few cases too where Canadians were coming here and staying illegally. No mention of racism there. Oh, wait. Canada is predominantly white. Only whites can be racist, according to the liberals and the PC police.
Excellent video, Tyrone!
p allen "
"Stand up for what is yours, they're standing up for what is theirs. That two to four percent is taking your rights. Let them do what they want to do, and be what they want to be, but don't let them take your rights"."
Let me help you out allen. Stacey was saying for people who believe in American values to stand up for them, because the people like you who don't support American values and want to change them are standing up in your beliefs to do so. He wasn't talking solely about gay marriage.
I'm dead set against people having sex with, let alone attempting to marry an animal. I'd also be the first in line protesting if some group or organization were to attempt to classify an animal as a "citizen" or a person. Animal rights activist are a bit whacked, but I don't think they're that stupid..."
Why would you be dead set against a person wanting to marry their pets if they love them allen? It doesn't impact you any right? Don't those people have civil rights also allen? Shouldn't they also be afforded the same rights as gays?
Gerald t"Your telling some body else to use the complete context but you didnt use the complete context yourself. No truth in your advetising huh!"
Gerald, don't try to be smart, it's not you. What I said was the quote of Dr. King as most people say it. Most people do not mention the for text prior to the quote, but most people don know the quote as it is presented. You get an E for effort at least but no self high five on this one.
p allen "Would that also include "jumping the broom?" What about "marital conversions?" Maybe you want to preserve "open marriages?" How about "common law marriages, forced marriages, trial marriages, ect... How about divorce? Does divorce "preserve" marriage? "
I never understood the concept of people having open marriages. I don't like them, because the people who are in them treat marriage as some sort of novelty. They don't take their vows seriously. Frankly, these people who are in open marriages shouldn't be married at all actually. Forced marriages shouldn't be allowed for the simply reason that the bride and groom and entering into marriage either without love or not by their own free well. The examples of marriages you've mentioned allen should would be better suited under Civil Unions. When marriage is treated like taffy and pulled in all different directions, it starts to lose its original form of what it was suppose to stand for.
Marcel "Excellent video, Tyrone!"
Glad you enjoyed it Marcel. I have another one of Stacey videos that makes this one pale in comparison. I'll have it up by the weekend.
CB;"Let me help you out allen. Stacey was saying for people who believe in American values to stand up for them, because the people like you who don't support American values and want to change them are standing up in your beliefs to do so. He wasn't talking solely about gay marriage".
Let me "straighten" you out Tyrone. American values (just as what you believe are "traditional marriages") are evolving. American values are molded by guess who.... Americans! At one time, no so long ago, American values didn't allow blacks to live, eat, pray and play in the same place and way as whites. American values at one time didn't allow women to vote. Cant you just hear the white conservatives in the 1950's & 60's whining about, "if black men are allowed to marry white women, how white men would lose their rights!". Guess what Tyrone? They didn't lose any rights and subsequently, they evolved!
Throughout American history "conservatism" had often reared its ugly head to combat changes in the so-called "American Value System." In most cases the battles were fought against the same conservatives who wrote those values.
Furthermore, "Stacey" was clearly referring to gays, and gay marriage. Instead of trying to explain to me what he's saying, I think you should explain to him what I've said. Stacey (like you) has not pointed out "one right" he would or could lose if gays were allowed to legally marry...not one! You both babble on about "values" when American history clearly shows that such "values" are only relative to those who create them.
You have yet to point out what "rights" you would lose. PLEASE POINT OUT THE RIGHTS YOU WOULD LOSE!
CB;"Why would you be dead set against a person wanting to marry their pets if they love them allen? It doesn't impact you any right? Don't those people have civil rights also allen? Shouldn't they also be afforded the same rights as gays?".
Now you're mincing apple and oranges Tyrone. Oh wait... better still, "THAT'S JUST PLAIN STUPID!" Animals are not people Tyrone. I might not get real angry if you have sex with my wife. I might not like it iF you had sex with my 18 year old daughter. But you'll really piss me off to the point I'd do you harm iF I found out you were having sex WITH MY DOG!! You see Tyrone it's like this... If you have sex with my wife, my 18 year old daughter, or my 19 year old son, I can't claim you violated any of my "legal" rights. However, if you lure my dog with your bone and have sex with it, I can claim you violated mt property rights...because I OWN THE DOG!
In this country animals are "property" and can be bought and sold. Animals are not considered "citizens", cannot vote, nor can they communicate effectively enough to change that status. Moreover, certain animals, when prepared right, taste rather good with Bar-B-Que sauce. Gay people?...not so good with Bar-B-Que sauce.
Your animal analogy tells the real story behind your opposition to gay marriage. Common sense would tell you Tyrone human homosexuality in no way relates to bestiality. Your attempt to equate the two just shows how you really feel about gay people. Instead of asserting all these silly notions of your "rights" and your "values", just admit that you don't like gay people! Hell, you think it's nasty, you believe it's a sin, perverted, animal like, or what, or however! Just admit you don't care for gay people, thus you don't think they should be afforded the same "Legal and Civil Rights" as straight people....
p allen "Let me "straighten" you out Tyrone. American values (just as what you believe are "traditional marriages") are evolving. American values are molded by guess who.... Americans! At one time, no so long ago, American values didn't allow blacks to live, eat, pray and play in the same place and way as whites."
This was so predictable. I was counting down in my head when you were going to interject race into an issue about sexuality and marriage. Dam if you didn't do it right when I expected you. Also, marriage isn't an American value, because it existed in it's tradition form long before this country was even founded. Getting back to me predicting the near exact moment I predicted you were going to go racial, here is something you aren't mentioning. You brought up race and the black civil rights movement. If the two causes are "similar", how come the vast majority of blacks don't see the two as similar and don't support the altering of marriage? Obviously the black progressive view on this issue is in the minority as compared to the black majority.
p allen "Throughout American history "conservatism" had often reared its ugly head to combat changes in the so-called "American Value System." In most cases the battles were fought against the same conservatives who wrote those values. "
Terms get changed around all the time. People who called themselves liberals hundreds of years ago had nothing in common with those who call themselves liberals in the here and now. Most blacks are ideologically conservative yet they vote Democratic. It's a contradiction, but they do. Blacks are mostly anti abortion, which is a conservative position. Blacks are capitalistic, which conservatives also support. Conservatives support traditional marriage, once again a position in which conservatives support. Blacks also do not like illegal immigration, and another issue the conservatives feel the same way. It funny when I hear liberals get upset when they are referred to as communists, socialists, Marxists etc yet libs have no problem blanket smearing conservatives as being throw backs to Bull Conner of the 1960's. The kool aid drinkers accept it, but common sense folks don't. They are just too smart to do do so. Some idiot on MSNBC just the other day tried to compare Mitt Romney with Bull Coner. The race card has been played beyond death allen, it reall has.
p allen "American values at one time didn't allow women to vote. Cant you just hear the white conservatives in the 1950's & 60's whining about, "if black men are allowed to marry white women, how white men would lose their rights!". Guess what Tyrone? They didn't lose any rights and subsequently, they evolved!"
Allen, isn't white liberalism who that believes that all blacks should be subservient to progressive ideology and loyally aligned with the Democrat party? So much for freedom of the individual. My how liberals have changed over the centuries. I guess liberals evolved in a bad way from helping to free the slaves to now believing blacks should be ideological servants to them.
p allen "
You have yet to point out what "rights" you would lose. PLEASE POINT OUT THE RIGHTS YOU WOULD LOSE!"
You haven't pointed out where I said I would lose any rights. Quote me where I said it, then I'll answer your question.
p allen "Now you're mincing apple and oranges Tyrone. Oh wait... better still, "THAT'S JUST PLAIN STUPID!" Animals are not people Tyrone."
Ah so when it's a cause that you support and advocate, then it's a noble, but any other alternative lifestyles should be still be discriminated against allen? Sounds like you believe in "selective" equal rights and not equal rights in general. Dare I say it, you should like an alternative lifestyle bigot allen.
If a person wants to marry their pet, and it "won't impact you any" right? why should they not have a union? We can always change the meaning of marriage to say a union between two living mammals right? Then it would be legal.
p allen "I might not get real angry if you have sex with my wife. I might not like it iF you had sex with my 18 year old daughter. But you'll really piss me off to the point I'd do you harm iF I found out you were having sex WITH MY DOG!! You see Tyrone it's like this... If you have sex with my wife, my 18 year old daughter, or my 19 year old son, I can't claim you violated any of my "legal" rights. However, if you lure my dog with your bone and have sex with it, I can claim you violated mt property rights...because I OWN THE DOG!"
Actually you don't truly own the dog allen. You can't treat the dog anyway you like as it's true owner. You can be arrested for animal cruelty even though the animal is suppose to be your property to do with as you please. If a law can be made to say that a pet isn't property, then what could stop the definition of marriage form being redefined to say a union between to mammals?
CB;"Getting back to me predicting the near exact moment I predicted you were going to go racial, here is something you aren't mentioning. You brought up race and the black civil rights movement".
I brought up race and went all "racial?" Ahhhh...really?
Didn't "you" say this during the essay for this thread?...
"He created a video a few years ago on the issue of gay marriage and the black community. This guy completely destroyed the whole myth about gay marriage being an issue about "equal rights".
As if you've never said that the Civil Rights Movement should not be compared with the Gay Rights Movement? As if you've never said that comparing the two "irritates" you? Tyrone, I'm coining a new phrase for the 2012 election. Conservatives can now claim "MittRomneia" (akin to Amnesia, but pronounced "Mitt-Romney-ah") when they make one statement, but later forget, or attempt to claim that's not what they said.
CB;"You haven't pointed out where I said I would lose any rights. Quote me where I said it, then I'll answer your question".
Stacey said it. You posted his video. You were "completely blown away by how this guy thinks." You attempted to clarify for me what Stacey was saying and/or wasn't saying. Since Stacey can't say how his rights would be taken, and now you can't say how his OR YOUR rights would be taken....WHY IN THE HELL DID YOU POST THE VIDEO? So, what's the point????
CB;"Actually you don't truly own the dog allen. You can't treat the dog anyway you like as it's true owner. You can be arrested for animal cruelty even though the animal is suppose to be your property to do with as you please".
Ah actually... you "do" really own your dog Tyrone. Your 'domestic' pet is your property. If that pet harms someone, or intrudes on someone else's property, you can held liable. The law only requires that you treat an animal that is your property humanely. I own my dog just as I own my house. However, the law also forbids me from burning down my house.
Getting back to the subject, here's a simple example of how disingenuous some conservatives are by claiming "their rights and values." I have a friend who has a phobia and a real fear of snakes. It's so bad that even a picture of a snake sends sets her writhing in fear. For years she tried to convince me that snakes were created by the devil, and were the personification of evil. She would even go as far to claim that snakes were responsible for human disease, from cancer to the common cold. She could never admit that she was afraid of and just hated snakes. This is a perfect example of justifying your own fears by creating a false and completely untrue narrative.
As I said previously, instead of asserting all these silly notions of your "rights" and your "values", just admit that you don't like gay people.
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