Progressive's racial attacks on Dr. Ben Carson simply for speaking out against Obama.
Dr. Ben Carson has really made a name for himself lately. I'm not referring to his medical credentials. They were rock solid and world renowned long before he gave his speech at the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington D.C last month. No, Dr. Carson has made a name for himself in the political arena without even running for office. Almost overnight, he has become a rock star among conservatives and libertarians. His common sense and mild temperament has prompted some to want him to even run for President in 2016. Of course not everybody has had nice things to say about Dr. Carson. Those people of course are your garden variety ever intolerant though they claim they are progressive Democrats. You see, Dr. Benjamin Carson broke the cardinal rule in being a black person in America. Never speak in opposition of a Democrat. Black people are suppose to be loyal subservient flunkies. Of course it isn't written, but it's obviously implied. Dr Carson for respectfully disagreeing with Obama at the NPB has now been called the typical racists buzz words by the self professed supporters of diversity, compassion and tolerance. Yesterday on twitter, progressives racially lashed out at Dr. Carson over his speech at CPAC calling him an "oreo" and an "uncle tom". Got to love progressive tolerance. Dr. Carson received the Stacey Dash treatment for daring not to support Obama. Roland Martin who is a black liberal did in away come to Dr. Carson's defense on twitter and said that Carson's critics need to chill. Well that plea fell on deaf ears, these were the comments that that liberals posted to Martin in response. This goes back to what I've been saying for well over 15 years now. Because most blacks are registered Democrats, it is expected that all blacks be Democrats and support progressives. These blacks are the reason why people like myself, Dr Carson and other blacks are racially attacked. We are not suppose to have the freedom of choice when it comes to ideology or party affiliation. The attacks on black conservatives is rooted in "collective group think" mentality. Those who aren't apart of the "collective" are ostracized for being an "individual".
Dr. Carson made light of the racial attacks he received by the left on his Instagram account,when he gave his speech at CPAC.
When I hear a fluff brain hypocrite call the right "intolerant, closed minded, fascists and Nazis", I can't help but not to laugh.
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 1:52 PM
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Dr. Carson is a successful and brilliant man. The way I see his politics, is that he has an "opinion." The "sell-out and uncle tom" attacks on him directly, are really uncalled for and stupid.
However.... (Tyrone, you know I always have a counter observation opinion)
However, when a black conservative appears to be at odds, or what conservatives see as an attack on President Obama, suddenly he becomes a political darling of the right. Barring the case of Donald Trump (who is white and never intended to run for president in the first place), when a "non politically experienced" black man (ala, Herman Cain, Alan West and Ben Carson) repeats right-wing talking points, suddenly he's "presidential material!"
I believe the reason you have these over zealous attempts to elevate these black men, is the right-wing distortion that President Obama had no political experience. About 2 years ago I read on a right wing blog (unfortunately I couldn't find an archive) that President Obama had been a community organizer for 10 years, and a U.S. Senator for 2 months before running for president. Alan West had just been elected to congress. The writer went on to claim that Alan West was presidential material. In this particular bloggers mind it was equated that West (as a black man with little or no political experience) would suit him better than a black President Obama.
Going back to a previous conversation, that is exactly the mindset that CPAC attendee Scott Terry was talking about. Terry was pointing out to conservatives that they were dubiously courting and promoting black conservatives, at the expense of disenfranchising white conservatives.
Tyrone, you stated that what Scott Terry said was a "fact." Okay, for the sake of the argument, I'll agree and say you're right. So in this case it's white conservatives that's elevating a black over whites. Not because he has "political brilliance or experience", but because he's black and he speaks out against President Obama. Thus, if indeed "White males are being disenfranchised in favor of reverse racism aka racial engineering", then Dr. Carson would be considered "a token." However, it wouldn't be of his own volition or making. The white conservatives are "making" him a token....
p allen "
However.... (Tyrone, you know I always have a counter observation opinion)"
You have counterpoints that don't ever seem to counter what I say is more precise, but I won't crush your fantasy so whatever you say allen.
p allen "However, when a black conservative appears to be at odds, or what conservatives see as an attack on President Obama, suddenly he becomes a political darling of the right. "
Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul aren't black but they are conservatives, and they are also high up and supportive among other conservatives, so your counter point fell flat again.
p allen "Barring the case of Donald Trump (who is white and never intended to run for president in the first place), when a "non politically experienced" black man (ala, Herman Cain, Alan West and Ben Carson) repeats right-wing talking points, suddenly he's "presidential material!"
A non politically experienced black man? Obama was an unknown State Senator prior to 2003 allen. He beat a man who wasn't even a resident of Illinois to win the U.S Senate Seat. He beat Alan Keyes from MY STATE of Maryland. And less then two years into his first term he decided to run for president. That seriously sounds like a lack of "political resume" on Obama's part allen. Sarah Palin was a former Mayor and sitting Governor, and your progressive fruit loops said that she didn't even have enough experience to be Vice President even though she was the only person on the ballot in 08 who actually had experience as an executive!!lol lol.
Forget about Dr Carson running for president in 2016 with no political experience, let's talk about the political experience of Hillary Rodman. Oh wait a minute, I meant to say Clinton. She only was elected to the U.S Senate from New York based solely on her last name of the former President Bill Clinton. Does that make her more qualified to run for president then say Dr. Ben Carson?
What was Al Franken's political experience, when he ran for the Minnesota U.S Senate Seat allen?
What was Jesse Ventura's political experience when he ran for the governorship of Minnesota?
What was Sonny Bonno's prior political experience when he ran for congress the first time?
Allen you know that if Carson was a black liberal, the idea of him running for President wouldn't even be a far fetched notion at all by you nor your side.
p allen "I believe the reason you have these over zealous attempts to elevate these black men, is the right-wing distortion that President Obama had no political experience."
Nobody on the right that I know of said Obama didn't have "no political experience" it was that it was very little. The comments by the right was in rebuttal to the left's attempt to downplay Palin's political experience back in 2008. Which based on facts was very factual. For the record Obama served "half" his term in the U.S Senate. Some Senators have been in the U.S Senate for 20 years and even way more then that. Obama was in for 3 years. Am I lying allen?
p allen "About 2 years ago I read on a right wing blog (unfortunately I couldn't find an archive) that President Obama had been a community organizer for 10 years, and a U.S. Senator for 2 months before running for president."
Are you sure it didn't say Obama was a Senator for 2 years. He won the Senate seat in 2004 and he decided to run I believe in 2006. So the two part sounds about right but it was years not months.
p allen "Alan West had just been elected to congress. The writer went on to claim that Alan West was presidential material."
In this particular bloggers mind it was equated that West (as a black man with little or no political experience) would suit him better than a black President Obama. "
Well at least the blogger couldn't be accused of being a racist. Matter of speaking from experience, some on the right wanted Condi Rice to also have run long before Obama came on the scene. Also the GOP was practically pushing Colin Powell to run once Bush's second term was up. His wife didn't think it would be a good idea. The requirements to run for president says nothing about having to hold a prior political office. Besides being a political outsider holds more appeal to voters then a person with a history in politics. Obama himself campaigned back in 2008 as a "political outsider" even though he was a member of the U.S Senate.
Did you forget that?
p allen "Going back to a previous conversation, that is exactly the mindset that CPAC attendee Scott Terry was talking about. Terry was pointing out to conservatives that they were dubiously courting and promoting black conservatives, at the expense of disenfranchising white conservatives."
Maybe I missed something, did Scott Terry also attack Ben Carson?
Your point is null and void again. There have been white republicans with no political experience that have been rallied around by the right to run for president allen. Here's a few.
Stormin Norman Schwarzkopf
Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Arizona
General David Petraeus
Donald Trump
Scott Terry is a person is wrong and to a point delusional. What else you got allen?
p allen "Tyrone, you stated that what Scott Terry said was a "fact." Okay, for the sake of the argument, I'll agree and say you're right. So in this case it's white conservatives that's elevating a black over whites. Not because he has "political brilliance or experience", but because he's black and he speaks out against President Obama. Thus, if indeed "White males are being disenfranchised in favor of reverse racism aka racial engineering", then Dr. Carson would be considered "a token." However, it wouldn't be of his own volition or making. The white conservatives are "making" him a token.... "
Ben Carson doesn't make an issue about his race. What Terry said obviously wasn't the share belief of the people in the crowd based on the way they looked at him. The argument by the left that the right is all about racism falls apart for the simple reason that they do support Ben Carson. Conservatives care more that Ben Carson is a well spoken conservative first and a black man second. It's not about elevating him because he is black. Remember most conservatives can't stand Colin Powell even though Powell is still a registered Republican. It's no secret that conservatives like blacks and other ethnic groups who think like them. It's the same for liberals. The only difference allen is that liberals expect all blacks to think like them or else. The term token means
"Done for the sake of appearances or as a symbolic gesture: "cases like these often bring just token fines".
Conservatives don't go out and find blacks and other minorities in order for them to be show cased like a parade of cattle. Liberals call them tokens not the right.
In essence, liberals call the very people of different races who hold diverse points opposite of theirs "tokens". Funny as in ironic.
CB;"Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul aren't black but they are conservatives, and they are also high up and supportive among other conservatives, so your counter point fell flat again".
You're not seeing the forest for tree's again Tyrone... Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz and Rand Paul have been "elected" to something. Outside of Alan West (who was spoke of as running for president before being elected to congress), Dr. Carson and Herman Cain haven't been elected to anything. Moreover, prior to Rubio, Cruz and Paul running for their present positions, was there any buzz or efforts to draft them for a presidential run?
CB;"A non politically experienced black man? Obama was an unknown State Senator prior to 2003 allen".
See...I was right! Even though President Obama had been a 3 time elected State senator, and a U.S. Senator, you believe it's "a lack of experience."
And I'll let you in on a secret Tyrone. Al Franken, Jesse Ventura and Sonny Bono were never endorsed at CPAC.
CB;"Your point is null and void again. There have been white republicans with no political experience that have been rallied around by the right to run for president allen".
Show and link to where and when Norman Schwarzkopf, Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Arizona and General David Petraeus were endorsed and given a nod at CPAC. Any CPAC, on any year will do. (psssst.. if you cant, does that make your point "null and void"?)
CB;"Ben Carson doesn't make an issue about his race. What Terry said obviously wasn't the share belief of the people in the crowd based on the way they looked at him".
Of course Dr. Carson doesn't make an issue about being black. My point is that "some" at CPAC do. And Terry's beliefs more than likely are not shared by most in attendance at CPAC. But that's where you're missing the point. YOU'RE THE ONE that said Terry's assertion was factual, NOT ME!
What you're trying to claim is that "liberals" are the ones that are responsible for disenfranchising whites. Terry is saying that "CONSERVATIVES" are the one's doing it by reaching out to minorities. You can't have it both ways Tyrone. Either he's right, or he's wrong.... which is it?
p allen "
You're not seeing the forest for tree's again Tyrone... Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz and Rand Paul have been "elected" to something. Outside of Alan West (who was spoke of as running for president before being elected to congress), Dr. Carson and Herman Cain haven't been elected to anything. "
So what does having to be elected to office have to do with anything exactly? Herman Cain ran based on his executive experience running businesses. Nobody that I know has ever said that a person is qualified to be president becacuse he or she served in congress. Most people allen say that governors make the best presidents, because they have executive experience running government on the state level, people in congress don't and that would men Obama and his half term in the U.S Senate. Furthermore, Dr Carson didn't even say he was going to run. Alan Keyes never held any public office, yet he ran for the GOP nomination. I didn't hear you or others critic him based on his non political record. I guess with keys you knew the GOP wasn't taking him serious so he wasn't on the radar to bring down I guess. What does any of this has to do with the racial attacks by the left on Dr Carson allen? What did I miss?
p allen "Moreover, prior to Rubio, Cruz and Paul running for their present positions, was there any buzz or efforts to draft them for a presidential run?
Rubio, Cruz and Paul are seen by conservatives and pundits as top tier prospects for 2016 by conservatives. I'm sure the draft movements for certain candidates will start early next year. The last election is only 4 months removed.
p allen "And I'll let you in on a secret Tyrone. Al Franken, Jesse Ventura and Sonny Bono were never endorsed at CPAC."
You just keep moving the goal post back further and further the more I break through your lame defenses allen. First it was that Dr Carson had no political experience, and now it's about CPAC endorsing candidates. CPAC hasn't endorsed any candidate nor have they. The Straw Poll is conducted online. You had to move to post back when I mentioned candidates who had no prior political experience but ran for office. So your secret is anything but, try again.
p allen "Show and link to where and when Norman Schwarzkopf, Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Arizona and General David Petraeus were endorsed and given a nod at CPAC. Any CPAC, on any year will do. (psssst.. if you cant, does that make your point "null and void"?)"
Ah allen, do you have to distort what I say in order to try and give the impression of you making a point? I never said anything about CPAC endorsing anyone. That's your creation. I said conservatives supporting people. Some conservatives support Dr Carson running for president. CPAC never endorsed him or any candidate for that matter.
p allen "Of course Dr. Carson doesn't make an issue about being black. My point is that "some" at CPAC do. And Terry's beliefs more than likely are not shared by most in attendance at CPAC. But that's where you're missing the point. YOU'RE THE ONE that said Terry's assertion was factual, NOT ME!"
And still what does what Terry said had to do with liberals racially attacking Dr Carson for disagreeing with Obama? I don't care what Terry said pro or con, what liberals said about Dr Carson is the focal issue allen.
p allen "
What you're trying to claim is that "liberals" are the ones that are responsible for disenfranchising whites. Terry is saying that "CONSERVATIVES" are the one's doing it by reaching out to minorities. You can't have it both ways Tyrone. Either he's right, or he's wrong.... which is it?"
Still off topic but oh well. Did I miss you saying that liberals were dead wrong for attacking Dr Carson allen and that it was very bigoted of them to do so?
CB-"What was Jesse Ventura's political experience when he ran for the governorship of Minnesota?"
For all I know, he was a mayor of Brooklyn Park, MN from 1991-1995. Three years later, he's governor of Minnesota. Yeah, he's qualified. :-)
Did he easily get elected because he was a celebrity? I ask the same about how Arnold Schwarzenegger with no prior political experience got elected as California governor. Other celebrities who ran for office who had no prior political experience: Clint Eastwood, Mayor of Carmel (CA); Fred "Gopher" Grandy, U.S. House of Representatives from Iowa's 6th and 5th district; I mean the list goes on and on.
So, what's in a name? Did Ronald Reagan qualify for politics because he was an actor and was president of the Screen Actors Guild? Dwight Eisehower, did he qualify for president because he was president of Columbia University?
When I was in high school, I was elected for class senator. Let's just say for the sake of argument. just because I was a class senator, does that automatically qualify me to be a politician according to some people. By the way, I never did want to be senator, my classmates elected me against my will just to make a mockery of me.
Dr. Carson may be a great influence and role-model. If he does decide to run president, even though he has not been in public office, the main question is, can he lead?
-Big Pop
Sorry. When it comes to a future "conservative" candidate for President, I'll go with Alan Keyes EVERY time!
One more for the road. ;)
I'm starting read Dr. Carson's book, "America The Beautiful".
Also, I got done watching "Runaway Slave" starring Rev. CL Bryant. Dr. Carson would have made a great addition in the movie. You would have too Tyrone.
-Big Pop
I want to see more people like Herman Cain run for higher office - as opposed to professional politicians. And I would like to see the selection of such people over professional pols become a general tradition. We need people who can govern effectively, not people whose skills are limited to gaining power.
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