Toure claims Dr Carson is the GOP's "black friends" Pt 2
RNC Chairman Reince Priebus is just as much a scatter brain then Toure is. Since I am not a Republican, I can call it like I see it, and even if I was one, I would still call him a scatter brain. It was Reince so called "autopsy" report of the GOP's lose and determining that it needed to "outreach" to minorities is what made Toure's drunken hamster in his brain come to the laughable conclusion that the GOP outreach first step is to appear that they like Dr Carson.
Toure referring to the GOP autopsy report said the following
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You can read the rest over at Breitbart. I'm glad they covered Toure's brainless tyraid, because I sure would have missed it (due to him not being important in the media) if they didn't cover it.
I just want to highlight the depths of foolishness Toure reached in assuming he came to some brilliant conclusion, when it came to Dr Carson and the embrace by conservatives.
Toure "They do indeed need to build that, because I don’t feel cared about by the GOP at all,” Touré “People who respect and care about me don’t try to suppress my vote. I’m kind of big on that.”
Of course if Toure was asked to present any evidence of black voter suppression during the 2008 and 2012 presidential elections he could not do it nor refer to any incidents that it happened. If Toure voted for Obama in both elections, then obviously his votes were NOT suppressed right. If he needs to feel cared about by a political party, then he has some deep insecurity issues. I just want a party to stand for keeping my taxes low and staying out of my business.
Toure said"Also, if you want to show me you care, stop trying to kill the Voting Rights Act, Affirmative Action, and calling me a 'taker' and a lazy person and a 'non-real American.' But such is the dysfunctional, abusive relationship the GOP insists on with black folk. They say they want a new relationship while continuing to try to screw us over."
Again, more incoherent stupidity from Toure. Who's in the GOP in congress or in the party is trying to kill the Voting Rights Act? This is why I don't take liberals seriously especially black ones. They are just too dam foolish to have any credibility. Affirmative Action is Jim Crow in reverse, plain and simple. People who believe in AA like Toure will always see blacks as a racially oppressed group who needs special circumstances in order to have a "leveled playing field". The screwing us over comment was funny. I would want to know how exactly the GOP has screwed over black folks in America, when it's Democrats who run the cities where the highest concentration of blacks live. Republicans haven't forced the jobs out of the cities, created slums in black populated areas, created dysfunctional and failing public schools. Republicans aren't the ones who want to give light jail sentences to black drug dealers who sell poison to their own community. That's Democrats, and I know that Toure will never acknowledge that his perceived beloved Democrats are the ones who have screwed over blacks for decades with nothing positive to show for it. Then again, why should Democrats do anything positive to uplift blacks economically? i mean, they have their votes automatically regardless. So what would be the incentive of the Democratic Party to actually care about blacks knowing that they will have their votes regardless just, because they have the D by their name. Toure is the perfect useful idiot who fits the bill as described.
Toure "When you're publicly admitting that your party doesn't care enough about black America then it's time for a new black friend. Enter Dr. Ben Carson who has been embraced recently because he's smart and helpful in assuaging their guilt. Carson is a bootstraps kind of guy, speaking their language, talking like he built his path from a poor kid to a pediatric neurosurgeon all by himself.
Again, Toure doesn't have a clue about what he thinks he knows. The left thinks that the GOP went out and got Dr Carson, as usual they are wrong as two left shoes. Dr Carson has always been a conservative minded person. When he spoke at the NPB, he did so on his own behalf. He wasn't "recruited" by the GOP. Last weekend when Dr Carson spoke at CPAC, he spoke at a "conservative" conference not a "republican" conference. This is why it doesn't pay to watch MSNBC folks. So no it wasn't "enter Dr Carson" as Toure thinks(sarcasm). As for this "assuaging their guilt" claim, what guilt is Toure referring to? I know Toure was trying to sound intelligent, but it didn't work for him., What has the GOP done to blacks so why they would need assuaging of their guilt with Dr. Carson? That drunken hamster needs to stop for a rest.
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 12:30 PM
13 Comments:
First off, I totally disagree and do not condone attacking Dr. Carson for his conservative views. That being said...
CB;"RNC Chairman Reince Priebus is just as much a scatter brain then Toure is. Since I am not a Republican, I can call it like I see it, and even if I was one, I would still call him a scatter brain. It was Reince so called "autopsy" report of the GOP's lose and determining that it needed to "outreach" to minorities is what made Toure's drunken hamster in his brain come to the laughable conclusion that the GOP outreach first step is to appear that they like Dr Carson".
So, you're admitting that Toure' was right? Toure' basically is making the same point I made in a previous post. So is you are convinced that Priebus is a "scatter brain" for attempting to reach out to minorities, what does that say about the minorities that are already part of the movement/party? Effectively, what Preibus and the conservative hierarchy is saying to black conservatives is, "we're all the same", yet we "need to recruit more blacks.... just like you."
Reince Priebus made that so called "offer" of outreach a CPAC. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the first "C" in CPAC stands for "conservative" doesn't it? Thus, the vast majority of those in attendance identify themselves as, or vote Republican. I seriously doubt if there were any Democrats invited to address the CPAC convention.
Perhaps one day we'll see a Democratic outreach to white men! Maybe Jesse Jackson could lead the efforts....lol
p allen "First off, I totally disagree and do not condone attacking Dr. Carson for his conservative views. That being said..."
Ah allen, you sly dog. Liberals aren't merely attacking Dr Carson for his conservative views, and you now it. They are RACIALLY attacking him for his conservative views. There is a difference. So don't try to make it appear as if the attacks on him or any other black conservatives are just merely "generic" attacks.
p allen "
So, you're admitting that Toure' was right? "
Toure couldn't be right even if I gave him the answer allen.
p allen "Toure' basically is making the same point I made in a previous post. So is you are convinced that Priebus is a "scatter brain" for attempting to reach out to minorities, what does that say about the minorities that are already part of the movement/party?"
It says nothing at allen. Do you know how the Democratic Party reached out to me? Their "outreach" was lying about the GOP being a party of racism, bigotry, stealing candy from babies, hating grandma, the environment etc etc etc etc. They never gave me a solid reason to support them. I gravitated towards the GOP, when I did research and found out that everything negative about the GOP that I was told was a lie. Minorities who are either apart of the GOP or are conservatives know about both parties due to their own research and experience. Isn't amazing that I didn't need a person to outreach to me in order to have once been a Republican?
Tell the people reading this, what is the Democratic message/agenda to blacks allen? They are a downtrodden, victimized race that will forever need the watchful protection of the Democratic Party?
p allen "Effectively, what Preibus and the conservative hierarchy is saying to black conservatives is, "we're all the same", yet we "need to recruit more blacks.... just like you.""
Actually the whole BS about the GOPO needs to outreach to minorities was started not by the RNC Chairman or any top level Republican but by DEMOCRATS. I had this discussion awhile back with you abhout how this is nothing but a political head fake by Democrats to get the GOP to abandon it's core message thus alienating it's base in order to try and attract a segment of voters they will never obtain. Preius is a scatter brain for listing to his political enemies. It's like Charlie Brown listening to Lucy on how to kick that illusive football. Let me put it like this. If the GOP wants to outreach to minorities, I am ok with that AS LONG as the message is NOT a Democratic lite message which would guarantee the end of the GOP. Romney went to the NAACP convention and probably got no votes for his efforts, but I give him credit in the regards that he told the Obama worshipers in the audience that he was going to kill Obamacare if elected.
p allen "Perhaps one day we'll see a Democratic outreach to white men! Maybe Jesse Jackson could lead the efforts....lol "
lol, and maybe someday Democratics will outreach to minority conservatives through intellectual dialog instead of calling them racist names for not supporting them. lol That chance. lol
p allen "Reince Priebus made that so called "offer" of outreach a CPAC. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the first "C" in CPAC stands for "conservative" doesn't it? Thus, the vast majority of those in attendance identify themselves as, or vote Republican. I seriously doubt if there were any Democrats invited to address the CPAC convention"
Since the Democratic Party is solidly to the left, you may be right allen. Can you name any conservative Democrats? One of the last few that I remember is Zell Miller and that was nine years ago. Actually Pat Caddell is a life long Democrat and he gave one of the best speeches at CPAC this year. He slammed the establishment class and the GOP consultants as racketeers. I think I will post his speech as a separate post so that everybody can get a good look at it. Since he's a Democrat, so much for your theory allen as usual.
CB;"It says nothing at allen. Do you know how the Democratic Party reached out to me? Their "outreach" was lying about the GOP being a party of racism, bigotry, stealing candy from babies, hating grandma, the environment etc etc etc etc.".
I don't know of any "liberal Democrat outreach" efforts to black conservatives (or anyone else for that matter). Would you be so kind to show where this Democrat outreach was publicized, who started it and how it compares to the GOP/Preibus ten million dollar outreach plot...err ruh, plan.
However, you didn't address the question of how can conservatives say you're all alike, at and the same time claim they need more diversity?
CB;"Actually the whole BS about the GOPO needs to outreach to minorities was started not by the RNC Chairman or any top level Republican but by DEMOCRATS".
Oooooohhh! Yea' a conspiracy! Democrats have infiltrated the conservative bastion, planting seeds of discord while laughing at honor, and we are shocked to find traitors in our midst! loooool!!! Death panels! Birth Certificates! Manchurian Candidates! Disability Treaty! UN Gun Control! Lions Tigers and Bears, Oh My!!!
Get real Tyrone. Like I said, CPAC is a "conservative" event where conservatives voice their political ideology and concerns. If the GOP's presidential politics is somehow being "infiltrated" by Democrats bound to destroy the party, conservatives have only themselves to blame. Thus, if the GOP establishment rejects the conservative message for a more liberal message (and you both are still losing), both of you are doing something wrong! Every conservative had his or he chance at running for president. Contrary to your "conspiratory" beliefs, the media didn't choose the GOP candidate... Republicans and conservatives alike did! So as a "conservative" your only alternative to possibly winning a presidential election is to leave the republican party, or take it over completely.
p allen "I don't know of any "liberal Democrat outreach" efforts to black conservatives (or anyone else for that matter). Would you be so kind to show where this Democrat outreach was publicized, who started it and how it compares to the GOP/Preibus ten million dollar outreach plot...err ruh, plan. "
If the Democrats never really had a plan of outreach to blacks(other then using scare tactics about the GOP), then why is it that the GOP is suppose to have one? Explain it if you can allen. I have an idea, how about you tell me in your opinion how the GOP should "outreach" to minorities. Let's hear it.
p allen "However, you didn't address the question of how can conservatives say you're all alike, at and the same time claim they need more diversity? "
Why is that such a controversy allen? Don't we all want economic prosperity? Don't we all want the American Dream? Don't we all want our children to have the best education possible. Don't we all want our children to have it better then we had it? We all share the same goals as everybody else who is white,Asian, Hispanic whoever. I suppose those who are black and feel they are life's victim, they won't see it like that. How are the goals of blacks different then those of whites allen?
p allen ";"Actually the whole BS about the GOPO needs to outreach to minorities was started not by the RNC Chairman or any top level Republican but by DEMOCRATS"."
LOL, No conspiracy at all.I always back up what I say. Here's a story from the progressive Atlantic website November 9th of last year.
The GOP Must Choose: Rush Limbaugh or Minority Voters Why would the progressive Atlantic tell the GOP to ditch Limbaugh in order to obtain minority voters? Could it, could it, could it be that be the GOP alienating Limbaugh, they would also be alienating their base of supporters thus guaranteeing Democrat wins for the foreseeable furture?hmm Allen, I am an analytical thinker. I am way too good at what I do. Why would the Atlantic care about what the GOP does?
Prom the progressive site "progressive view from the middle" dated November 12th of last year.
GOP Needs Party Reform; Not Outreach
The outreach seed idea wasn't planted by the GOP. Progressives don't want the GOP to outreach to minorities, they want them to become Democratic lite to split off it's conservative rankings and nothing more. It's too obvious to be called a conspiracy.
I came across this morning a story written by Joe Gandelman who is a blogger of his site "the moderate voice". His story was on the front page of Yahoo for some reason, how convenient for everybody to see it. His story was entitled Do conservatives even want to win? It's suppose to be a serious piece, but I found it to be that of something I would have read on the Onion satire site. According to Joe, the problems with conservatives and them not wining elections have more to do with people like Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck. His idea of sensible conservatives is people like the RNC Reince Priebus and Karl Rove. These two are establishment Republicans. For Joe Gandelman to call these two conservatives is an insult or just a display of sheer ignorance on his part. This goes back to what I said about certain people trying to plant seeds that the GOP needs to purge itself of conservatives in order to "win elections". Sarah Palin wasn't even a factor in Romney's loss to Obama nor was Glen Beck or Rush Limbaugh. It's mental x 10. Moderates are nothing more then bench sitters who are afraid to take a stand on any issue, that is all Joe Gandelman. To blame real conservatives for two moderate GOP candidates for president losing is half right but not in the sense Joe sees it. True conservatives did NOT give their full support behind McCain and Romney. That is what he is missing and others who are now preaching the outreach sermon. You can't build a building without a foundation. Obama is a pure leftist who beat two moderate GOP candidates, enough said.
CB'"If the Democrats never really had a plan of outreach to blacks(other then using scare tactics about the GOP), then why is it that the GOP is suppose to have one? Explain it if you can allen. I have an idea, how about you tell me in your opinion how the GOP should "outreach" to minorities. Let's hear it".
How soon do you forget your own assertions. (rather, the talking-points you were taught). Wasn't the Democrats the party of slavery and the KKK? When did the KKK begin it's "outreach" for blacks to join the Democrat party? I surely don't know of one. If you payed any attention to history, you would know that blacks began to enter the Democrat party after "TWO" Democrat presidents pushed legislation for desegregation, equal rights and voting rights.
CB;"Why would the progressive Atlantic tell the GOP to ditch Limbaugh in order to obtain minority voters? Could it, could it, could it be that be the GOP alienating Limbaugh".
Could it, could it, could it be that they're RIGHT! Limbaugh and his minions (listeners) are NOT IN THE MAJORITY! You can click your heels, wish on a shooting star, or touch a four leaf clover... Limbaugh conservative types are not in the majority. He's not as relevant as he once was. To believe so is as crazy as your once asserted claim that President Obama received 10 million fewer votes in 2012 than 2008... it just ain't so!
Moreover, did the GOP alienate Limbaugh, or did Limbaugh alienate the GOP? Again, you forget your own assertion that "Rush Limbaugh IS NOT the de-facto head of the Republican party." He's not elected to, or running anything in the GOP. Rush is just an entertainer... right? Thus, if the GOP were to "alienate" him, what difference would it make... he's just an entertainer!
Remember 2011 CPAC when staunch conservative Ann Coulter infamously predicted "If we dont run Chris Chistie, Romney will be the nominee and we'll lose". Clearly Coulter was making a choice to support the candidate she believed could win. Clearly it was her, (like Limbaugh) that was choosing to alienate THEMSELVES FROM THE GOP! (ie. "If you don't play the game I want to play, I'm taking my ball and going home")
Still Limbaugh and Coulter supported (granted that it may have been half-hearten) Romney during the campaign. If a group of people alienated you, would you in turn continue to offer your support? I think it would be much easier if you chose to alienated them, then kind'a sort'a change your mind... at least until the elections are all over.
CB;"Allen, I am an analytical thinker. I am way too good at what I do".
All due respect Tyrone, analytical thinking is not your strong suit. However, you are good at regurgitating right-wing talking points (mostly to no avail, nevertheless, pretty good at it)
p allen " If you payed any attention to history, you would know that blacks began to enter the Democrat party after "TWO" Democrat presidents pushed legislation for desegregation, equal rights and voting rights. "
I'm a student of history allen. I know that more Republicans as a percentage voted for the Civil Rights Act then Democrats did. I know that one of the most celebrated and respected Democrats of the Senate from West Virginia lead a filibuster to try and kill the Civil Rights Act of 1964. I know that if it wasn't for Republican Senator Everett Dirkson of Illinois working to get the bi partisan votes, the 1964 Civil Rights Act would have never made it to Lyndon Johnson's desk. How many blacks know what I just said allen? Be that as it may, this is 2013 which is 48 years ago, what has the Democratic Party done for blacks lately to validate monolithic support?
p allen "Could it, could it, could it be that they're RIGHT! Limbaugh and his minions (listeners) are NOT IN THE MAJORITY!"
Come one allen. More people call themselves conservative then moderate or liberal. Furthermore, why would you call listeners of Limbaugh "minions". Do you consider listeners of Randy Rose or other progressive talk show host minions as well? Or are limbaugh listeners minions because you can't stand that other people have diverse points of views that you can't accept?
p allen "You can click your heels, wish on a shooting star, or touch a four leaf clover... Limbaugh conservative types are not in the majority."
Then why is Limbaugh the most listened to talk show host in Americas for over 20 years now? Something isn't adding up. Is there a liberal talk show host that has an equal or greater amount of listeners then Limbaugh? Please present them. According to Talkers Magazine which happens to be the trade publication for the radio industry.
Rush Limbaugh still the most important talk radio host, says the annual Talkers magazine survey
You continue to make it so easy for me allen, thanks.
p allen "He's not as relevant as he once was."
If Limbaugh is not as relevant, then why do liberals and liberals in the media continue to talk about him? Sounds like a contradiction allen. People who are irrelevant are ignored. You want to think Limbaugh is irrelevant but what you think and how reality works is two different things. You even said yourself that Limbaugh is "the defacto leader of the Republican Party". Is you memory slipping allen?
p allen "To believe so is as crazy as your once asserted claim that President Obama received 10 million fewer votes in 2012 than 2008... it just ain't so! "
Barack Obama received in 2008, 69,498,516 votes
Obama received in 2012, 62,611,250 Popular Votes. If my math is right, he received over 6 million fewer votes. The 10 million could have been primarily numbers and not the final numbers, Regardless, he still received several million fewer votes then in 2008.
p allen "Moreover, did the GOP alienate Limbaugh, or did Limbaugh alienate the GOP?"
The GOP alienated Limbaugh and conservative periods. There was story written on Real Clear Politics awhile back afer the election that explained that the talk about the enthusiasm for Romney aka the Romney surge never materialized on election day. When I heard talk of this Romney surge, I was wondering were people in the GOP putting out that crap, because Romney lost conservatives in the 3rd debate, when he purposely decided not to attack Obama on Benghazi. Any surge died right then and there. Conservatives are blind followers of Limbaugh, they listen to him, because he is one of them. That same thing I pointed out on why they like Dr. Carson, he is one of them. The GOP will never win another presidential election without the support of conservatives, that is just a fact and Democrats know it as well. The saying goes "If you destroy the foundation, the rest will come tumbling down.
p allen "Again, you forget your own assertion that "Rush Limbaugh IS NOT the de-facto head of the Republican party." He's not elected to, or running anything in the GOP. Rush is just an entertainer... right? Thus, if the GOP were to "alienate" him, what difference would it make... he's just an entertainer! "
You stated that Limbaugh was the defacto leader of the GOP allen. I said he is the defacto leader of the conservative movement, again big difference. This is what made Michael Steele look like a duff, when D.L Hughley set him up the day after Limbaugh's speech at CPAC. I've never heard of a mere entertainer who is taken so seriously in political circles and in the media. Not to disagree though. All political pundits are entertainers, it just comes down to the level of entertainment as in either being of s serious nature or humor. Limbaugh wasn't high on Romney nor McCain and look what happened, just saying. The entertainers is on 600 stations nationwide and have on average and has over 20 million listeners.
p allen "All due respect Tyrone, analytical thinking is not your strong suit. However, you are good at regurgitating right-wing talking points (mostly to no avail, nevertheless, pretty good at it) "
You have talking points allen, with all due respect. My points of view come from taking a situation and coming to the logical conclusion of it. When I or someone nails you on a topic, you shift the topic, because your talking points failed you. I can stay on topic and defend my views allen.
CB;"I'm a student of history allen. I know that more Republicans as a percentage voted for the Civil Rights Act then Democrats did. I know that one of the most celebrated and respected Democrats of the Senate from West Virginia lead a filibuster to try and kill the Civil Rights Act of 1964. I know that if it wasn't for Republican Senator Everett Dirkson of Illinois working to get the bi partisan votes, the 1964 Civil Rights Act would have never made it to Lyndon Johnson's desk".
And you claim I'm the one that "shifts the topic??" Let me be clear... TWO DEMOCRAT PRESIDENTS WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE VOTING AND CIVIL RIGHTS ACTS AND DESEGREGATION LAWS. The Voting Rights Act was sent to Congress by President Johnson on March 17, 1965. The Civil Rights Bill was called for by President John F. Kennedy in his civil rights speech of June 11, 1963, subsequently signed and enacted July 2, 1964. Diverting the focus to, who signed in congress, and who didn't, has nothing to do with the presidents that championed the legislation. That's what your parents and grandparents saw in the Democrat party.
CB;"Obama received in 2012, 62,611,250 Popular Votes. If my math is right, he received over 6 million fewer votes. The 10 million could have been primarily numbers and not the final numbers, Regardless, he still received several million fewer votes then in 2008".
When I first saw your vote totals figures, and you only had "one" link, I got a bit suspicious. I typed in "How many votes did Barack Obama get in the 2012 presidential election?", (the same question asked on the site) on the same site "YOU" linked to, and lo' and behold...
"Returns for the 2012 presidential election showed President Obama leading the popular vote nationally with 65,907,213 or 51.1% of the vote". Not the 62,611,250, which is a difference of 3,295,963!
Thus, the actual difference in President Obama's popular vote totals of 2008 and 2012 is 3,591,303. Not 10 million. Not even a 6 million vote difference. Hows that for being "analytical?"
(P.S. did you really think you were going to get away with that?)
since dr carson is black and has different views than toure, toure refers to dr carson as an uncle tom ect, so if your black and dont think the way toure does than acording to toure you must be some type of token or uncle tom ect-so who is the real racist? it seems that toure cant believe that black people or any other minorities are capable of independent thinking!toure is making the case that he is a racist and at the same time he is making the case for racisim which one of their arguments was that blacks and other minorities are to dumb to think for themselves and make their own decisions, but toure is to dumb to relize this and i find it beyond hilarious that toure cant hold a candle to what dr carsons acomplishments, toure should be ashamed and embarrassed
What planet did this moron come from and what is his claim to fame? I've never heard of this idiot. How many lives has Toure saved or changed? Dr. Carson's life story is an example of what can be accomplished through hard work and perserverance, he made it against all odds. Seems to me Bro Toure is the modern version of Jackson and Sharpton, using race to make a buck; always follow the money. Black society is going to hades in a hand basket because many believe and subscribe to the "HERD MENTALITY" the hustlers preach. They do not believe in diversity. We are not clones, we are individuals; with different Deoxyribonuclei Acid(DNA).
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