The Supreme Court rules in favor of Michigan's constitutional ban on Affirmitve Action.
The Supreme Court majority yesterday ruled on the side of common sense in upholding Michigan's constitution ban of Affirmative Action. I've never understood how progressives claim they champion equality yet on the flip side they support inequality in the name of equality. Then again, they've always been a breathing contradiction of everything they claim to support. Two wrongs do not make a right. Affirmative Action is a prime example why Social Engineering can never work. Liberals haven't figured out that it is impossible to force equal outcomes. People are entitled to equal opportunities not equal outcomes.
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 12:36 PM
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The dissenting opinion of Sonia is quite disturbing. Biased, angry, myopic. She basically said that the good people of Michigan do not understand reality. And that, despite what we were taught as children, two wrongs can and do make a right. How did such a biased person ever get on the Supreme Court? Oh, that's right. Appointed. Hmm...
First off, let me say that I've never been a staunch supporter of Affirmative Action in college admissions. However, my reason for not doing so is quite different from most of the critics.
Since the onslaught of overturning affirmative action in college admissions, the black student population in every major university has been in a steady and dramatic decline. At UCLA, following Prop 209, by 2006 the black enrollment at UCLA had dropped by 57 percent.
Conversely, the group that has seemed to benefit the most from the overturning of AA admissions, has been Asian students. A study done by the UCLA Journal of Education and Information showed that the percentage of Asian Americans at the University of California Berkeley grew from 37.3% in 1995 to 43.6% in 2000. It also shows an increase in Asian students at the University of Texas and the University of Florida.
What puzzles me though, is that critics of AA in college admissions often are those who are well aware of the fact that black students in urban areas are not "educationally" prepared (ie. what conservatives refer to as "failing schools). In my empirical and professional opinion, it's not, per se' "the school" that's failing. I believe that it is the "educational institution" that fails the average black student. The institution I'm referring to is not limited to just the public school. Here in Detroit we've had Charter and State run schools since 1996. Almost twenty years later, schools have fared no better. In some cases the Charters have done worse than the public schools.
Without getting into a long drawn out diatribe, in essence, there are many societal factors that have not, and continue not to be addressed in by educational system. The broken family/absent fathers, crime/gangs, economics/unemployment, incarceration rates, just to name a few. Just as it was necessary to address a student coming to school hungry, or without proper rest, there is a need to address the aforementioned issues. I have personally experienced dramatic improvements and students success when these problems are dealt with properly by teachers and school officials.
Granted, there are considerable problems in most black communities. However it's not impossible to begin to address them. The school needs to become the educational, spiritual, political, and economic hub of the black community. I believe the schools can and should be a starting point that can turn around black communities.
Interesting. Well it looks like conservative are 2-2 or maybe 2-3 with liberals on court decisions and current political issues!
Liberals got gay marriage and Obamacare last year in 2012-2013, and then conservatives made a late come back and were happy and gloating with victories from the Zimmerman case and now, this week High court decision on AA.
Conservatives are making a come back now, liberals! Now let's see if it will carry over into the elections in 2014, and more importantly 2016. And yes, the acquittal of Zimmerman was a victory for many right wingers who were still bitter about the 2012 election results and gay marriage and Obamacare rulings for the libs.
Just ask Ann Coulter who was so happy she tweeted hallelujah when the Zimmerman acquittal came down! She even said right then it was about time conservatives started getting some wins, so I guess Zimmerman was the first win.
The same lady that said white conservatives' blacks are better than white liberals' blacks. LOL! Ok, ok. I digress.
I am out of school, so I don't have a dog in this fight really. So I really could care less about the ruling and agree liberals should stop crying and just gear up for the 2014 mid-terms and the 2016 party. That's all you can do, liberals.
But I will say this: this ruling will not stop more liberal blue states from continuing the practice. At least that's my understanding. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ces1_B17AI
But liberals beware, in Red states and maybe some even some swing states, AA is a wrap!
Affirmative Action just another term for "reverse discrimination". People, should be admitted, hire or promoted due to their credentials, not their race, skin color or gender.
To me, Affirmative Action is unfair to the persons who are best qualified, but it too is unfair AND dangerous to admit a person who does not have the qualification. What if they were promoted to do the job that they are not qualified to do and inadvertently put themselves and others at risk?
Such as the case of Ricci v. DeStefano, where 17 white and 1 Hispanic firefighters sued the city of New Haven, Connecticut after they had passed the test for promotions to management positions and the city declined to promote them. New Haven officials invalidated the test results because none of the black firefighters scored high enough to be considered for the positions. City officials stated that they feared a lawsuit over the test's disproportionate exclusion of certain racial groups from promotion under the controversial "disparate impact" theory of liability, decide to give the black firefighters, their promotion. So, what if these firefighters who've been "promoted" were in a dire situation, how would they handle it if things got out of control?
Since Justice Sonya Sotomeyer, who dissented from the case, has benefited through AA, and claims that banning it leads to further discrimination, how does she explain when she was a judge with Second Circuit panel and per curiam opinion, and tossed out the case of Ricci v. DeStefano? Sounds like discrimination to me.
-BP
Allow me to reiterate, first off, one more time. The present modeled concept of Affirmative Action I do not support (albeit, for vastly different reasons than it's conservative critics).
In your video you claim that "liberals" can't answer certain question that you've posed. I'm not going to say that you can't answer a question. Rather, I'll ask the question and wait for your response.
When in the history of America has the "playing field" in the educational system (at any level, from grade school to college) been the exact same for EVERY black student as compared to whites?. Don't generalize, just point to a date and time.
Again, and as usual, you've penned (in this case spoken) another extremely crude misconception. You stated that (as I'm paraphrasing); "an AA enrolled student's spot is a wasted spot on someone who will eventually drop out, because they weren't supposed to be there".
At the University of Michigan the graduation rate for black students is 78%. The university itself touts a "80%" graduation rate for blacks, but who's counting... However, the "overall" 4 year graduation rate is actually lower (73%) than the black student graduation rate.
Another factor that effects the graduation rate of black students, and must be taken into account, are the blacks in the sports programs. At the U of M, the total enrollment percentage of black students is consistently around 4%. Unfortunately, many of the black athletes fail to graduate. (being that they're brought there to shoot or run with a ball...) This factor adds a few tenths of negative percentage points to the graduation rate.
Also take into account that it's highly likely a black student comes from a family with very little economic resources. In most cases, dropping out is the only alternative.
Last but not least, is academic preparation. By far, most white students are better prepared to attend college than the average black student.... AFFIRMATIVE ACTION STUDENT, OR NOT! Yet, at the U of M 78% still graduate? With all of the factors I've cited in play, do you still believe, "an AA enrolled student's spot is a wasted spot on someone who will eventually drop out, because they weren't supposed to be there?"
virtually all of the evil encountered by us blacks is the result of racism/white supremacy, which was and is allowed to move through out (talking about this country in particular now)with no real hindrance. don't give me the civil war bull and affirmative action, allowance crap. it all began with the racism/white supremacy perpetrated against the Indian and blossomed on. they just couldn't see right to treat people in the way they wanted to be treated; so they dogged a different race that was not their own. all the evil flowed after that. the turd was layed and the stink followed.
"wurlitzergroup"The dissenting opinion of Sonia is quite disturbing. Biased, angry, myopic. She basically said that the good people of Michigan do not understand reality. And that, despite what we were taught as children, two wrongs can and do make a right. How did such a biased person ever get on the Supreme Court? Oh, that's right. Appointed. Hmm..."
What's equally disturbing is that progressives have falsely given Sonia the label as "the wise latina", when she's anything but wise. Progressives tend to have a disdain for the masses, so her views on the people of Michigan really doesn't surprise me. To her, they are just a bunch of ignorant boobs who needs the government and people like her to think for them, because they know what in the people's best interest of course.
p allen "First off, let me say that I've never been a staunch supporter of Affirmative Action in college admissions. However, my reason for not doing so is quite different from most of the critics. "
There is hope for you yet allen, yet small but still hope.
p allen"Since the onslaught of overturning affirmative action in college admissions, the black student population in every major university has been in a steady and dramatic decline. At UCLA, following Prop 209, by 2006 the black enrollment at UCLA had dropped by 57 percent. Conversely, the group that has seemed to benefit the most from the overturning of AA admissions, has been Asian students. A study done by the UCLA Journal of Education and Information showed that the percentage of Asian Americans at the University of California Berkeley grew from 37.3% in 1995 to 43.6% in 2000. It also shows an increase in Asian students at the University of Texas and the University of Florida."
This doesn't surprise me in the least. It's follows exactly what I said. Do colleges and universities want to have a diverse student populations, of course they do, however colleges and universities also want the "best and brightest" to become students. With Asians students, they are getting the best of having diversity along with having smart students, so they in essence have the best of both worlds.Since Asian students are admitted primarily on their test scores they are going to be chosen far more so then black students regardless of whether affirmative action is in place or banned.
p allen "What puzzles me though, is that critics of AA in college admissions often are those who are well aware of the fact that black students in urban areas are not "educationally" prepared (ie. what conservatives refer to as "failing schools). In my empirical and professional opinion, it's not, per se' "the school" that's failing. I believe that it is the "educational institution" that fails the average black student. The institution I'm referring to is not limited to just the public school. Here in Detroit we've had Charter and State run schools since 1996. Almost twenty years later, schools have fared no better. In some cases the Charters have done worse than the public schools."
Since the public school systems are failing black students, it would be laughable to assume that they are going to excel once they live the public school system and try to get into college. If you don't have a strong foundation, it makes no sense to build a building on that foundation correct? I'm not going to blame the public school system entirely, because much of the success of a student in public schools also has to do with parenting. That is one of the core reasons why Asian students excel academically and black students don't.
Marcel "Conservatives are making a come back now, liberals! Now let's see if it will carry over into the elections in 2014, and more importantly 2016. And yes, the acquittal of Zimmerman was a victory for many right wingers who were still bitter about the 2012 election results and gay marriage and Obamacare rulings for the libs."
The affirmative action ruling was a small victory for the right in the shadows of big victories by the left sad to say.The AA ruling only had bearings on Michigan though it could be foundation for similar cases if anti affirmative actions supporters decide to change AA in their states. Conservtives didn't rally around Zimmerman personally Marcel, the left misclassified the whole incident as a stand your ground case and it wasn't. If anything the Zimmerman trail had more to do with conservatives going after the race hustler activists and the media more so then defending Zimmerman. The outcome was just a just verdict based on what situation was about, self defense. The left is still going to foolishly continue to try and attack stand your ground laws for what logical reason I have no idea.
Marcel "Just ask Ann Coulter who was so happy she tweeted hallelujah when the Zimmerman acquittal came down! She even said right then it was about time conservatives started getting some wins, so I guess Zimmerman was the first win."
I was pleased that common sense prevailed in the verdict, but I wasn't emotional about it like others.
Marcel "The same lady that said white conservatives' blacks are better than white liberals' blacks. LOL! Ok, ok. I digress."
Her wording was screwed up no denying that but she was right in her thought process. She stated basically that black conservatives are better then black liberals. Our blacks being blacks that are on our side of ideology.
Marcel "I am out of school, so I don't have a dog in this fight really. So I really could care less about the ruling and agree liberals should stop crying and just gear up for the 2014 mid-terms and the 2016 party. That's all you can do, liberals."
As if Marcel. Liberals need victims. They aren't going to let this ruling go for awhile. Some on the left believe that this ruling is like the second coming of Jim Crow!lol As for 2014, they don't want to think about the midterms at this point. Obamacare is going to crush them just as bad as the 2010 midterms. 2016 is a different story, but they can forget about 2014.
p allen "Again, and as usual, you've penned (in this case spoken) another extremely crude misconception. You stated that (as I'm paraphrasing); "an AA enrolled student's spot is a wasted spot on someone who will eventually drop out, because they weren't supposed to be there"."
The only way an AA admittance spot into a college or university isn't a waste in my eyes
is "if that spot was based on a academically qualified student being admitted on grounds of economic merit". If AA was based on financial and not racial merit, I and many others would totally support it. Take the racial element out.
p allen "At the University of Michigan the graduation rate for black students is 78%. The university itself touts a "80%" graduation rate for blacks, but who's counting... However, the "overall" 4 year graduation rate is actually lower (73%) than the black student graduation rate.
http://www.sfgate.com/education/article/Blacks-have-lowest-college-graduation-rate-in-5039514.php">
The national college graduation rate for black men is 33.1 percent compared with 44.8 percent for black women, according to the U.S
I find it somewhat amusing that some of you can't take affirmative action, which should be active for at least ONE HUNDRED YEARS, minimum. the lack of freedom, justice and equality for blacks has a 350 year history, and still goes on. teach your children the truth and stop with the lies. you "got" problems, and they are not complicated, and neither is the truth.
Snake hogan " I find it somewhat amusing that some of you can't take affirmative action, which should be active for at least ONE HUNDRED YEARS, minimum. the lack of freedom, justice and equality for blacks has a 350 year history, and still goes on. teach your children the truth and stop with the lies. you "got" problems, and they are not complicated, and neither is the truth."
What I find amusing is how progressives like you always see blacks as the eternal down trodden victim of American society that can even go to the bathroom without your assistance. Black America has a hell of a lot more problems going on then what happens with Affirmative Action. The vast majority of the problems facing blacks is internal within the black community. As I stated, Asians are a minority, yet why aren't they making the case for Affirmative Action. Jews are a minority in America, and they aren't protesting for the need of Affirmative Action, why is that? It's a really simple concept when you think about it. Those who are capable of doing something are usually rewarded and does who can't usually are not rewarded. AA the way it is set up is to reward those who aren't capable due to the color of their skin. So what freedoms do black don't have in America in 2014? Please explain, be specific and don't give generalizations. As for teaching my children, I'll teach them that they are not eternal victims, and they can accomplish whatever they set their minds on, that will be the truth.
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