Condi Rice not authentic enough to be a role model to blacks in the ghettos?
This story is just tempting to ignore. I really like Democratic strategist Bob Beckel. He reminds me so much of Democratic strategist James Carville. Both have a known tendency to shot their mouths off first and think second. Personality wise, I like Carville better though. Beckel has been a one man self destructing wrecking crew since joining Fox News and becoming a panelist on the the show "The Five". Bob's latest trip down the rabbit hole came, when he made a comment yesterday that was absolute stupid. It was a comment that I though gee if a conservative would have made the exact verbatim comment about Obama, the left would have gone nuclear times ten in outrage demanding he or she be fired or dealt with. I'm going to build up to it. Here's a question. Should Barack Hussein Obama be looked up to by blacks? Some would say yes. Forget his lack of positive accomplishments for a second. He is the first bi racial passed off as black president. That is something to be noted. Now here's another question, should it matter that Barack Hussein Obama never lived in the ghetto? He grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii which are not exactly Baltimore, Detroit, Cleveland etc. By him not growing up in "the hood" Obama lacked "street cred". He was seen by most to be in a different category of black persona then lets say the likes of Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton who both also ran for President. Because of Obama's upbringing and education, he was seen as "acceptable" or as Joe Biden "mainstream and clean". He was referred to as "Obama the Magic Negro" by the editor of the LA Times David Ehrenstein who is a black liberal. Democratic Senate Majority Leader praised Obama for not having a "Negro Dialect".unless he wanted to have one (while speaking to blacks).
On a side note, Mr None Negro Dialect Barack Obama criticized Trent Lott for saying some kind words during Strom Thurmond's 100th birthday party but Barack had no problem accepting the apology from Harry Reid nor raising money for the late Klansman Robert Byrd of West Virginia. Back to Bob. Bob claimed that blacks should not look up to Condi Rice, because she didn't grow up in the ghetto.
Since Obama never lived in the slums or ghettos, I would have to say using Bob Beckel's template for what makes for a good black role model for people who live in the ghetto, Barrack Obama would have to be disqualified as well right? Funny I know, if Bob was asked that question, he would spin left and right to try and make an exception for Obama, that's not even in question. I'm not a big fan of Condi Rice ideology wise, she's too progressive for my taste, however I do acknowledge her accomplishments and her life's story from being from being born into a family of sharecroppers, becoming a child prodigy, becoming the first black female Secretary of State and first black National Security Advisor who is also an accomplished pianist who can also speak multiple languages.. Condi didn't grow up in the hood or ghetto like Beckel said, but she grew up in the era of Jim Crow n the segregated south where racism was real. It wasn't no progressive political smear back then, it was the real thing. Beckel needs to walk in the shoes of Condi to know what makes a true role model.
On a side note, Mr None Negro Dialect Barack Obama criticized Trent Lott for saying some kind words during Strom Thurmond's 100th birthday party but Barack had no problem accepting the apology from Harry Reid nor raising money for the late Klansman Robert Byrd of West Virginia. Back to Bob. Bob claimed that blacks should not look up to Condi Rice, because she didn't grow up in the ghetto.
Since Obama never lived in the slums or ghettos, I would have to say using Bob Beckel's template for what makes for a good black role model for people who live in the ghetto, Barrack Obama would have to be disqualified as well right? Funny I know, if Bob was asked that question, he would spin left and right to try and make an exception for Obama, that's not even in question. I'm not a big fan of Condi Rice ideology wise, she's too progressive for my taste, however I do acknowledge her accomplishments and her life's story from being from being born into a family of sharecroppers, becoming a child prodigy, becoming the first black female Secretary of State and first black National Security Advisor who is also an accomplished pianist who can also speak multiple languages.. Condi didn't grow up in the hood or ghetto like Beckel said, but she grew up in the era of Jim Crow n the segregated south where racism was real. It wasn't no progressive political smear back then, it was the real thing. Beckel needs to walk in the shoes of Condi to know what makes a true role model.
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 7:00 PM
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Who is Bob Beckel?
Bob Beckel is one of the most well known high profile Democratic strategists. He was a member of the State Department under Jimmy Carter. He also was the campaign manger for Jimmy Carter.
CB-"He also was the campaign manger for Jimmy Carter."
He was campaign manager under Walter Mondale. Prior to that, Beckel was assistant secretary of state and the following year was appointed special assistant to the President Carter for congressional liaison.
CB;"however I do acknowledge her accomplishments and her life's story from being from being born into a family of sharecroppers".
Rice was not born into a family of sharecroppers. Her father was a school guidance counselor and her mother was a science and music teacher. She grew up in Titusville, AL, which has been a haven for middle-class blacks since the 1920's.
As a matter of fact, her family moved from Alabama when she was 12. By then her father had taken a job as a Dean of Students at the University of Denver. So, basically Condi Rice has been "middle-class" all of her life.
Mondale's campaign manager?
Ohhhhhh ... THAT bob beckel!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
He also is a recovering coke addict and nearly choked to death while eating shrimp at a FOX News dinner.
A FOX patsie. A Washington Generals all-star pundit. Nobody worth watching or TV or quoting in a blog.
p allen "As a matter of fact, her family moved from Alabama when she was 12. By then her father had taken a job as a Dean of Students at the University of Denver. So, basically Condi Rice has been "middle-class" all of her life"
Ok, so that her living a middle class life makes her any less of a role model to blacks who live in the ghettos as Beckel implied?
I think Bob's comment was stupid even for him, and lord knows he has made some really stupid ones over the year. When kids in the inner city are playing sports and they idolize certain athletes and become determine to be just as good as they are and aim to make the pros, should someone tell those kids they should have those athletes as role models if those athletes didn't also grow up in the hood?
imneyour first "Ohhhhhh ... THAT bob beckel!!!HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
He also is a recovering coke addict and nearly choked to death while eating shrimp at a FOX News dinner.A FOX patsie. A Washington Generals all-star pundit. Nobody worth watching or TV or quoting in a blog."
I never said Bob Beckel was great political manager. No wonder Bob comes off as bitter and grumpy, to be tied being the campaign manger of a president who suffered the worst electoral college defeats in history is kind of a hard pill to take. Though however he is still not a political nobody though.
CB;"I think Bob's comment was stupid even for him, and lord knows he has made some really stupid ones over the year".
Personally, I think that white guys should leave the "who's authentically black/what black people should think" whole thing alone. Rush Limbaugh, Donald Sterling, Bill O'Reilly, etc..., constantly make stupid remarks about what blacks should do, and how and why black people should think and/or believe. They need to accept and realize that for blacks in this country (no matter what your political persuasion), some things are just "a black thang."
In other news........................
Well, it looks like the KO game has continued. Or now they call it "slap-cam"?? Wow!
Once again gangs of "black" youth and/or thugs make unprovoked quick attacks on whites.
This time it is in downtown Baltimore at the Howard St. McDonald's. (Tyrone should know were it is at.)
You will not see this one on MSNBC, they are still talking about Zimmerman, Travyon and Dunn.
Video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBD4MYAU7yM
And don't be fooled by the ONE video they showed of a white guy slapping a white in the back of the head or the other goofy white college students playing around.....WBAL knows this particular attack was racial.
But give WBAL TV in Baltimore credit for cover this, Tyrone. But I agree with what you are going to say, Tyrone: they could have pointed to race as a factor in these attacks. I agree. Once again, the attacks were black thugs and the victims were whites minding their business.
Now you see why liberal states like Maryland don't have a self-defense law. The black pucks in this video should have been shot on site for randomly attacking these people (whites). Yet I just know there is some black liberal and maybe even a self=hating white lib who will defend these black punks and say they did what did because they are just angry at whitey for holding them down. What they will not say is that their low life sorry ass black parents have probably taught them to hate white crackers. Just like they (black libs) accuse racist whites in the south of doing: Hating black niggers............. The only difference is we are not seeing random unprovoked attacks on black families by white youth. We just are not. Maybe you find one or two if you search hard enough, but it is rare.
p allen "Personally, I think that white guys should leave the "who's authentically black/what black people should think" whole thing alone. Rush Limbaugh, Donald Sterling, Bill O'Reilly, etc..., constantly make stupid remarks about what blacks should do, and how and why black people should think and/or believe. They need to accept and realize that for blacks in this country (no matter what your political persuasion), some things are just "a black thang."
My problem is who's going to say it allen. We know what happens when blacks say what other blacks need to do, they get attacked. If whites say anything, the get called racists, so if it's a "black thang" so to speak, then who in the black community is qualified to speak out on black issues?
Marcel;"WBAL knows this particular attack was racial".
So you called WBAL and they told you they "knew" it was a racial attack? Or, are you assuming, perhaps "hoping" it was a racial attack?
I believe what people like you are doing is simply stroking the idea of racial animus. Answer this question; which group of young males shows to be more apt (by a higher percentage) to display violent behavior. Young black urban males, or young white urban males? On average, do you find that young white males engaged in violent clashes in their neighborhoods more-so than young black males?
The fact is that violence, such as is on display in the McDonalds restaurant, is basically a crime of "proximity." The whites that were attacked were in the wrong place at the wrong time. You can go on the World Star Hip-Hop website and view "thousands" of violent black-on-black clashes of this sort. Yet when folks like you seek to "racially politicize" the landscape, you create a narrative that young black males are involved in some sort of conspiracy, or are intentionally seeking out whites to commit these crimes.
The reality is this; Unfortunately far too many young black males are being raised in broken homes, uneducated, which in turn leads to depravity and anti-social behavior. Therefore, "ANYONE", black, white, brown or yellow that comes in contact with these affected youth are apt to become their victims. It's almost like an infectious disease. The closer you are to those infected, the more likely you are to become affected.
Here's the rub... Within days of the election of the first black president of the United States, gun sales went through the roof. I'm not one to buy into conspiracy theories, however, the timing of increased gun sales seems awfully suspicious. Even though violent crime has dropped in the US, there has been a sudden rising interest in black on white crime. Yet, urban crime has effected whites and blacks alike for decades. For those who aspire to socially separate/segregate the races the narrative of "a black conspiracy" is perfect for their ends and means. The same goes for those who hope for a violent racial conflict. What would be better to "rally the troops" than a belief that you're under violent attack. Next, all's needed is to throw in all those newly purchased guns with brand new legislation that says, "I felt like my life was in danger, so I killed those people that slapped me" and... voila'!
Fortunately WBAL doesn't think like a "blogger" who dreams of inciting a violent confrontation between the races. Good for them they saw it like it was... a bunch of young punks picking on innocent people.
p allen "So you called WBAL and they told you they "knew" it was a racial attack? Or, are you assuming, perhaps "hoping" it was a racial attack?"
For starters allen, me and Marcel know Baltimore very well. This area is in upper downtown Baltimore right and is overwhelmingly black, urban area. I've been to that McDonald's, and I have never seen a white person in there. The people in there tend to be young, and black with a few older blacks mixed in. The area itself is not an area whites are known to frequent. The only way a white person would go into the McDonald's there is unless he or she got off at the light rail and saw it thinking they want to get something to eat. They were signaled out, because they were white period.
p allen "I believe what people like you are doing is simply stroking the idea of racial animus."
This is me speaking for myself, you got it wrong allen. What is causing racial animus is that whites in particular don't like the double standard in news reporting. Though I am black, I have to agree. I believe there should be 100% fairness and equality in how the media covers stories that are racial in nature.You want to ignore the discrepancy allen and pretend all is well, but people aren't like you and are noticing this.
p allen "The fact is that violence, such as is on display in the McDonalds restaurant, is basically a crime of "proximity."
Proximity?lol yeah, whatever you say all. Little Italy here in Baltimore is in South Baltimore, Public Housing low rises are to it's west and north. Have you ever heard of the saying "the path of least resistance"? Animals tend to roam in packs to attack what they see as easy prey
p allen "Answer this question; which group of young males shows to be more apt (by a higher percentage) to display violent behavior. Young black urban males, or young white urban males? On average, do you find that young white males engaged in violent clashes in their neighborhoods more-so than young black males?"
In Baltimore, it's strictly young black urban males allen. Baltimore City has a population over 621,000.
Whites make up 31% of the city's population That equates to 191,000 people who are white that lives in the city The violent crime in Baltimore is committed overwhelmingly by blacks not whites, Asians or Hispanics. That is why I laughed at how absurd it was when Maryland terminated capital punishment in claiming that it was disproportional in targeting blacks in Maryland. It was like DUH!! Most of the murders in Maryland comes from Baltimore City in which the murderers are BLACK! So it's only logical that the murderers on Maryland death row be BLACK!! But we live in la la land so the state did away with the death penalty thus they can pretend to ignore reality for another a little while longer, the problem again is that others aren't taking the blue pill like they are.
p allen "The fact is that violence, such as is on display in the McDonalds restaurant, is basically a crime of "proximity." The whites that were attacked were in the wrong place at the wrong time."
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! Be real, if a white person would say to a group of blacks that simply Trayvon Martin "was in the wrong place at the wrong time" tell me with a straight face how that would go down among the blacks listening,HONESTLY. What you said is absurd allen. If whites said that there was no real racism back in the 60's, blacks were just in the wrong area at the wrong time, and it beatings were merely a matter of "proximity", again how would that go down to blacks hearing that? You like other blacks don't want to acknowledge that "racism is a two way street", not just one way via white on black.
You can go on the World Star Hip-Hop website and view "thousands" of violent black-on-black clashes of this sort. Yet when folks like you seek to "racially politicize" the landscape, you create a narrative that young black males are involved in some sort of conspiracy, or are intentionally seeking out whites to commit these crimes.
p allen "Fortunately WBAL doesn't think like a "blogger" who dreams of inciting a violent confrontation between the races. Good for them they saw it like it was... a bunch of young punks picking on innocent people."
Nah, WBAL fortunately for you thinks like progressively correct cowards. Didn't Eric Holder say that Americans are cowards when it comes to talking about race allen?
I say lets talk about it and put it all on the table and be real about it.
When a trans gendered person was beaten at a McDonald's in Baltimore County a few years ago, the media had no problem calling the attack a "hate crime" even though the attack happened, because a black girl thought the white trans gendered person was talking to her boyfriend. It was a jealously attack but that didn't stop the local media from saying otherwise.
p allen "Here's the rub... Within days of the election of the first black president of the United States, gun sales went through the roof."
And it had nothing to do with Obama being an radical anti second amendment person I'm sure, right allen? So what happened with all these people mainly white how bought guns with Obama in the White House? Nothing. Are these white folks storming the white house with their newly purchased guns allen? They don't have much longer you know. Obama will be gone soon.lol. The reality is that they bought guns, because they feared what he was going to do and has done, simple as that.
p allen "For those who aspire to socially separate/segregate the races the narrative of "a black conspiracy" is perfect for their ends and means."
Actually when blacks don't speak out and the media doesn't report it, that is what plays into the hands of white segregationists more so than anything. When the narrative is created that only whites are capable of racism and then whites see constant attacks committed by black youths on whites, that is the narrative that creates frustration which leads ultimately to resentment towards blacks.
CB-"You can go on the World Star Hip-Hop website and view "thousands" of violent black-on-black clashes of this sort. Yet when folks like you seek to "racially politicize" the landscape, you create a narrative that young black males are involved in some sort of conspiracy, or are intentionally seeking out whites to commit these crimes."
I found this video where this gentleman, David Carroll was discussing something as similar what you posted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrfkdQ5Co-U&feature=share&list=UUa8xefYexeNlbnv3NFHcL7Q
CB;"For starters allen, me and Marcel know Baltimore very well. This area is in upper downtown Baltimore right and is overwhelmingly black, urban area".
As if where I live (Detroit) isn't "overwhelmingly" black? Whites fled the "overwhelmingly" black cities for what reason? Was it because of the crime? Or was it simply because they did not want to live around blacks? If you ask most whites, they would tell you it was the crime. Thus, "proximity" is their reason, which I just happen to agree with, yet you don't. So according to you, the whites moved out of Baltimore for no other reason than "NOT" wanting to live around blacks?
CB;"Though I am black, I have to agree. I believe there should be 100% fairness and equality in how the media covers stories that are racial in nature".
No you don't Tyrone. You clearly want the media to promote the narrative the way "YOU" see it. If you want "the media" to report news that suits your opinion, just watch and listen to "right-wing" media outlets. They'll tell you exactly what you want to hear.
CB;"Most of the murders in Maryland comes from Baltimore City in which the murderers are BLACK!".
Really???? Blacks killing blacks in Baltimore...who woulda' thunk it! But seriously, since you know that the vast majority of murders involve blacks killing other blacks, why claim it's purely racial when a white person become the victim?
It's like this Tyrone, whites don't have the same (or even close) statistical level of violence among their population as blacks. Thus, it's very easy to assign "ANY" reason when a violent black person attacks a white. A known black criminal can attack a woman and be labeled as a misogynist. He could attack a Jew and be labeled as an anti-Semitic. He could attack child and be labeled as a child abuser. But when he does what he more than likely does most, which is attack other blacks, he's just a criminal.
CB;"If whites said that there was no real racism back in the 60's, blacks were just in the wrong area at the wrong time, and it beatings were merely a matter of "proximity", again how would that go down to blacks hearing that?".
For a change, why don't you say something just a little less stupid... Look, when a black sheriff sets attack dogs on, and sprays whites with fire hoses, when whites are hung from trees, their churches bombed, and a black governor stands in the door of a school house, they indeed will be in the "wrong place at the wrong time."
CB;"And it had nothing to do with Obama being an radical anti second amendment person I'm sure, right allen? The reality is that they bought guns, because they feared what he was going to do and has done, simple as that".
What he was "going to do and has done?" What has President Obama "DONE" to restrict any gun rights? Okay, you don't have to answer that. I know the answer already... NOTHING! And how perceptive were all those who rushed out and emptied the gun stores in their predictions of an Obama "gun grab?"
CB;"When the narrative is created that only whites are capable of racism and then whites see constant attacks committed by black youths on whites, that is the narrative that creates frustration which leads ultimately to resentment towards blacks".
As if resentment toward blacks has never been the case in America??? Resentment toward blacks is nothing new. However, that's not the point in question. I question those who attempt to create a narrative that blacks are "PURPOSELY" targeting and attacking whites. I proffer that this is not the case, and to paint it as such is disingenuous and "PURPOSELY" inciting.
Case in point. I'm sure that you've heard by now that Dallas Mavericks owner, Mark Cuban said that he harbors certain prejudices. He stated that if he's walking along a street and see's a black person (or a white person) that appears menacing, he would cross the street to avoid them. Frankly, I see nothing wrong with his view because I'm apt to do the same thing. Yet his overall point was that, no matter the persons race, "menacing is menacing." Ergo, a violent criminal act, is a criminal act not matter what the persons race.
We know that violence is pervasive in black communities. In almost every case of black males attacking someone (black, white, red, yellow... whatever), the perpetrator see's that person as being vulnerable, or as being an "easy mark." Do you believe for one minute if it were a white 200 lb. biker type in the McDonalds the young black guy would have attacked him?
I will say that not all whites are buying into the "white people are under attack" paranoia propaganda. It's mainly politically conservative whites that are stoking those flames. In reality what they're mainly upset about is the black guy in the White House. Also what's upsetting to them is that "the media" and the government (Federal, state and local) will not buy into their false narrative. 2010 FBI Hate Crime Stats shows that Anti-Black hate crimes is double that of Anti-White hate crimes.
HERE and HERE.
Of course the propaganda merchants cry foul and claim that there's "liberal media bias" and Anti-White bias and cover-ups. But the actual truth is plain as the nose on their faces.
The actual facts are unfortunate yet true. Far to many black males are committing violent crimes. It's for that reason that federal, state and local authorities "KNOW" that racial bias does not play a factor. Most of these punks committing these crimes could care less if their victim was a martian from outer space. Thus, it stands to reason that whites or anyone else will be caught up in the fray. It's not about whites being "under attack" by roving mobs of black males. Everyone, blacks, whites, asians, whomever, can and have fallen prey to the violence. Still, it's a very sad commentary.
Even though someone like Dr. Benjamin Carson, or others like him who did grew up in the ghetto and worked hard to get out of it to accomplish his goals, most of them, who are conservative, get a lot of criticism and claim that they are not "authentic". So, are those who make these claims are saying that someone like Dr. Carson is not a role model? How did they come up with that analogy?
-BP
Bob Beckel speaks for Black America? Who knew?
PAllen" I believe what people like you are doing is simply stroking the idea of racial animus. Answer this question; which group of young males shows to be more apt (by a higher percentage) to display violent behavior. Young black urban males, or young white urban males? On average, do you find that young white males engaged in violent clashes in their neighborhoods more-so than young black males?”
No, P Allen. Like the typical black liberal you are, anytime crimes and violent crimes that young black males commit get brought to the light from the dark, you get upset and uncomfortable, and then cry racism when it is addressed. And then the pathetic black liberal excuses and apologies start. Well get used to it, because I am not going to be political correct, and I am not backing down and will continue to speak on or write on the crime problem that exist in the black community today. I don't give a damn about whites are doing, I am talking about the black communities now. You can apologize and make excuses for these black thugs all you want, though, as most black libs do.
And to answer your question is an easy one and even you know the answer. I will give you a hint: Go read Eric Holder’s Justice Department source book and the look up the FBI stats and you will see who OVERWHELMINGLY commits the majority of violent crime in this country, P Allen. I mentioned the liberal activist Attorney General Eric Holder because he is a BLACK MAN in charge of the Justice Department in case you see some stats you don’t like in the source book. And I know you will have a sorry ass liberal excuses for the stats, but you know who it is…………………
But I will do you one better. Find me ONE………JUST ONE poor white town or city where whites are attacking black people in record numbers. Go to Youtube or WSHH and bring here at least 4-10 videos or news reports of young white punks or skin heads running up in a store and attacking black families and black customers. And if you can, I bet you would NOT say what most black liberals would say about black on white crime: Well how do we really know the attack was racial? You would guarantee the attack was racial if it was white on black, and you know it.
PAllen“The fact is that violence, such as is on display in the McDonalds restaurant, is basically a crime of "proximity." The whites that were attacked were in the wrong place at the wrong time. You can go on the World Star Hip-Hop website and view "thousands" of violent black-on-black clashes of this sort. Yet when folks like you seek to "racially politicize" the landscape, you create a narrative that young black males are involved in some sort of conspiracy, or are intentionally seeking out whites to commit these crimes.”
Well there are a number of black youth that do go out and target white people, Allen. You really are questioning that? Lol. How about the two European baseball players that were killed for fun by four black thugs last year? The police went to one of the black punks’ Facebook and found how much he talked about how he hated white people and 90% of them were evil. Or what about beat whitey night at the Wisconsin State Fair 3 years ago. And we have not even talked KO game yet. P Allen, I could go on and on, and you know it……
Also, you mention black on black "clashes". LOL! That is a joke for you to mention as well because black liberals don’t want to talk about or deal with black men murdering black men every single day either, so why bring it up? When is MSNBC, or CNN going to do a show about that? When is Al going to do a March about that?? I could show you a story of a young black boy who was part of the ROTC and was set to go to college and had a very promising future: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhgay69ZA3I
I know he is not Travyon Martin or Jordan Davis, but where are the Marches for Justice for Najee Thomas? What about justice for Darrel Green in Chicago, an honor roll student, who was killed by black thugs because he had his head on straight and he would not join the gang? Oh, I know, P Allen. He was not killed by a white racist like Michael Dunn, so there is no news there. They were killed in Baltimore City and in Chicago by black thugs, so you will never know or hear anything about him, and Sharpton and Jesse will never be on this case. So please P Allen, don’t go there with me about black on black crime because you black libs don’t give a damn about blacks being killed until once every blue moon when some Zimmerman asshole or a white racist Michael Dunn does it. So basically to the black community - nowadays - a black life is not worth anything until a white racist takes it. Got it! So please, let’s move on…………..
PAllen"The reality is this; unfortunately far too many young black males are being raised in broken homes, uneducated, which in turn leads to depravity and anti-social behavior. Therefore, "ANYONE", black, white, brown or yellow that comes in contact with these affected youth are apt to become their victims. It's almost like an infectious disease. The closer you are to those infected, the more likely you are to become affected."
You are right on that one, Allen. Black men today have failed miserably. Black Women outnumber black men in college 3 to 1 and are becoming more and more financially successful and buying homes and cars and making over $50,000 a year (many much more!) to the point were they cannot find suitable black male mates. Black men think it is cool to go to jail and get their street cred. And then liberal hack black college professor scream racism. And then when she(bw) is walking down the street with a white man, or a man of another race, they might get attacked by a gang of racist, black thugs(young and older) that are jealous. Yes, that happens all the time. Need me to post those stories???
Why is all this crap acceptable, Allen? Why is black hip hop thug culture embrace? Why are young black men happy with telling people that they are on 3rd baby momma? You are right. The black family unit is broken and no black politician or black liberal hack activist are trying to address it. They want to go back to Voter ID and State your Ground Law, smh.
Except maybe black liberal, Dr. Boyce Watkins. He is VERY liberal and I probably disagree with him on most issues, but I give him all the props in the world for taking on black degenerate culture and black men for making songs about pissing on and screwing black bitches and hoes and leaving those worthless whores. Smh… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkGLWnC2CTM
He also goes after black women for making fools of themselves on reality TV. He takes black men to task for making that trash music that tells black men it is cool to be a thug loser who never graduates high school. He has some really good videos taking blacks to task and he still addresses white conservative racism….......(the stuff black libs like you like, P Allen).
PAllen"Here's the rub... Within days of the election of the first black president of the United States, gun sales went through the roof. I'm not one to buy into conspiracy theories, however, the timing of increased gun sales seems awfully suspicious...."
Here we go. Like a typically black lib you are whining about all those whites boys in the South who brought guns before President Obama was elected in 2008 and reelected in 2012. First of all I have no problem with whites, blacks, or anyone defending themselves with firearms if need be. And if black libs like you are afraid that some of these racist white men will shoot and kill blacks with their new guns, don’t be. Statistically, black men have a MUCH, MUCH HIGHER change of being shot, robbed, or killed by other blacks than the racist white boys you imply just went out and brought their guns to defend themselves against black youth. Lol. As a black man, I am not worried about a Michael Dunn. Dunns are far rarer today then Man Man and Ray Ray who woke up and the morning and decided they are going to drive around with their buddies and rob people today.
You know Allen, I don’t know, maybe some of those whites have a right to be afraid. Let me give you another story the lame stream liberal media ignored. Just last year, a white man in NJ was in his car with his family and was pulled out and killed by black thugs at the mall during a robbery. Now I know you will defend it, and say how do we know it was a race. I am not even saying that it was, but because enough of these stories have happened to enough white people that in certain areas of this country, whites do have a reason to fear being robbed, raped, or killed by black out of control thugs. I know it makes your black liberal blood boil to see me write that, but people have a right to defend themselves. If you don’t want your black kids profiled then tell them to pulled their damn paints up and stop fitting the profile of the profile! Now yes, they can get profiled anyway because sooo many black men have fucked it up for others but that’s just the way it is. I may have been profiled but I am not going to whine about it because I know why. Tell Sharpton to have a March against hip hop thug culture and black boys dressing like thugs.
One other thing, Allen. I love how black libs whine and cry and demonize whites that go out and by guns when Obama gets elected and starts to talk about gun control. I will say this; you black libs are right, there a lot of guns in the South and in poor white communities in the South as well more than anything. In fact, a lot of poor trailer park whites own guns. However, maybe a black liberal like yourself can explain to me, that despise all the guns that are in the POOR white communities, why they have nowhere near the same level of violence as in the poor and middle class black community. Yes, whites commit crimes and kill each other too, of course. In fact, the majority of whites that are killed are killed by other whites. And there are a hell of a lot of poor whites in the US today. White male unemployment and drug use (Crystal Meth) is a big problem in middle America; the media just does not talk about it and Obama and the Democrats don’t give a damn because these people don’t vote and if they do they will not vote for him. They pander to poor Latinos and blacks and tell them they are victims to whitey. And the majority of people who live in poverty in this country are white (yes, due to their majority numbers in the U.S.).
However, again, can you find ONE….just ONE poor white town or city that had 200, 300, or even Chicago level 500 murders last year, Allen?? You know all the excuses you all use for black crime. But you cannot find me a poor white town that had even 200 to 300 murders due to guns last year, desipise the guns and drugs in the poor white community. Yes, Allen I even said crime in the middle class black communities. Look up Prince George County MD.
Tyrone: "In Baltimore, it's strictly young black urban males allen. Baltimore City has a population over 621,000.
Whites make up 31% of the city's population That equates to 191,000 people who are white that lives in the city The violent crime in Baltimore is committed overwhelmingly by blacks not whites, Asians or Hispanics. That is why I laughed at how absurd it was when Maryland terminated capital punishment in claiming that it was disproportional in targeting blacks in Maryland. It was like DUH!! Most of the murders in Maryland comes from Baltimore City in which the murderers are BLACK! So it's only logical that the murderers on Maryland death row be BLACK!! But we live in la la land so the state did away with the death penalty thus they can pretend to ignore reality for another a little while longer, the problem again is that others aren't taking the blue pill like they are."
And not only that Tryrone, take a look at the second most dangerous place to live in MD; I will give you a hint, but being from MD, I am sure you already know: PG County, MD.
Now, let's take a look at the numbers that make liberals uncomfortable. The stuff the liberal PC police will call anyone a racist or uncle Tom for bring up.
Tyrone, Are you familiar with Baltimore County demographics?
Well in case not, Baltimore County - with a population of 805,029 is 64% white. 64% white means, of course, more than half of Baltimore County is white, pretty much the same as 64% black for Baltimore City. I did a little research, because even though Baltimore County brags about only have 11-20 homicides a year, I wanted to know where the crime was in Baltimore County and who is doing it. Of course I already knew but I wanted the hardcore facts. Tyrone, it seem like crime in Baltimore County is focused heavily in 3 areas: Woodlawn, Milford Mill, and good ol upper middle class Randallstown. Now this is the part where the liberals, black and white and the PC police want to come after me and call names like racist, uncle Tom and etc….
Woodlawn, Randallstown, and Milford Mill are overwhelmingly black. And, while a lot of section 8 from Baltimore City has come to Randallstown and Woodlawn within the last 15 to 20 years, the areas, as a whole are not really poor community like in the City. So black liberals cannot use the black poverty excuse. Just like PG County – the so called richest black County in the country; again, it’s also the 2nd most dangerous place to live in MD – look it up! If you look on the Baltimore County Police's website you see that those three towns in Baltimore County produce the vast majority of armed and unarmed robberies, assaults, rape, and even murder when it does happen in the County.
Tyrone:"That is why I laughed at how absurd it was when Maryland terminated capital punishment in claiming that it was disproportional in targeting blacks in Maryland. It was like DUH!! Most of the murders in Maryland comes from Baltimore City in which the murderers are BLACK! So it's only logical that the murderers on Maryland death row be BLACK!! But we live in la la land so the state did away with the death penalty thus they can pretend to ignore reality for another a little while longer, the problem again is that others aren't taking the blue pill like they are."
You are right on the liberal's phony death penalty argument, but I can taking it future.
They whine about blacks on death row, but who is committing the vast majority of murders and violent crime even in a 64% white County like Baltimore County? Black men - period. Look it up if you don't believe it, libs.
Now does it mean that all blacks in Baltimore and PG County are like this? No. Of course, not. But it is just interesting to see that even in the County, where incomes are higher; crime still seems to follow the our communities at a much higher rate than anyone else – including Hispanics – legal and illegal in MD. And yes, the Hispanics have a crime problem too in SOME of their communities, but still much lower than blacks in MD. Again, something is seriously going on in the black community, poor and middle class, that needs to really be looked at. Any time you have black youth and black grown ass men in a County (Baltimore and PG) – some of whose parents even have and had good jobs - committing the majority of violent crime because they want to be cool or hard like the guys in the city, there is a big problem going on.
I believe it starts with degenerate black hip hop thug culture that teaches young black men that it is cool to be a dumb high school drop that becomes a criminal. It is the stuff black libs will never discuss. They would rather go back to Sharpton talking about Voter ID and white racism and G. Zimmerman and M. Dunn and SYG laws.
Marcel;"Like the typical black liberal you are, anytime crimes and violent crimes that young black males commit get brought to the light from the dark, you get upset and uncomfortable, and then cry racism when it is addressed".
Where did I cry "racism?" You're not comprehending what I wrote. I'm the one saying that the attack in McDonalds has the appearance of random thugs attacking random victims. We know that this type of violence is pervasive in our communities. Just because the victim is "white", the attack does not automatically rise to the level that "white" people are targets for black thugs. Black thugs target people (any people) that appear to be vulnerable to such an attack.
Marcel;"Also, you mention black on black "clashes". LOL! That is a joke for you to mention as well because black liberals don’t want to talk about or deal with black men murdering black men every single day either, so why bring it up?".
And black conservatives are dealing with black-on-black crime every day...right? You see Marcel, that's the problem in a nutshell. The pervasive crime in our communities is not a "conservative vs. liberal" problem. What divides us on this issue is political. Therefore, the only thing that could unite us is "political." Yet, we can't seem to see eye to eye about addressing the problem because we're completely divided "politically." You blame me, I blame you, and the result is the problem continues.
I've explained my position on this many times to Tyrone. I hope that you would read this post and understand where I'm coming from.
The "white folks" liberal agenda (aka, Democrats) does our communities more harm than good. Those facts speak for themselves. Whereas a "white folks" conservative agenda cannot and will not bring us any closer to solving what ails black communities. What we as "black folks" need is OUR OWN AGENDA. We need to be POLITICALLY, EDUCATIONALLY, ECONOMICALLY and SPIRITUALLY self sufficient. The idea is not 'racist' nor is it 'separatist.' The model is no different from what American Jews, Arabs, Asians or even what most immigrants have done to build prosperous communities.
What has happened is that blacks have become completely divided on almost every idea of capitalizing on Americanism. What that means is that we don't support each other economically nor socially.
In the political realm we've given up our votes to a party that ignores the self destruction in order to receive and achieve political goals that benefit people (mainly white liberals) outside and far away from the black communities. Conversely, the conservative white is more overt with their methods of dividing blacks. Conservatives whites speak frankly by telling blacks, "you should step away from the being black thing, (aka Congressional Black Caucus, NAACP, Black Student Unions, etc...)." I've heard many white conservatives say it. Yet no sooner than they tell "YOU" black folks to step away from the "black" thing, they proudly tout their own heritage. Case in point;
Bill O'Reilly Inducted Into Irish Hall of Fame.
Mind you, white Liberal, Chris Matthews is an inductee also. Matthews, the liberal, is more so "understanding' and compassionate in his, "vote for me (Democrats) and I'll set you free" views. Which in my opinion are just as divisive as the conservative.
Conservatives such as Bill O'Reilly often attack what they see as "black culture." He often attacks black music entertainers as promoting "bad behavior." Frankly, I see nothing wrong with the so-called culture itself. What I see is the perversion and the corrupting of the culture.
Recently, O'Reilly has been on a quest to condemn the sexual images portrayed by singer "Beyonce." Where O'Reilly fails is his demonization of Beyonce is that fact that sexual imagery and erotic art exists in almost every "culture" around the world. From the Kama Sutra in India, to the Japanese Shunga, to Machismo in Mexican culture. What has happened in Black American culture is corruption by commercialization. If blacks were in complete control of the industry and the images, I seriously believe there would be different social outcomes.
What you will never hear a white Liberal or Conservative say is,- "you know... black "Conservative and Liberal" politicians, entrepreneurs, C.E.O.'s, social and spiritual leaders of all faiths and persuasions, judges, and law makers, need to get together and and develop a think tank AMONG YOURSELVES and address the problems in your communities." Mind you, again, there's no need for whites to tell blacks what they need to do. My assertion is merely to say that no white conservative or liberal would ever make such a suggestion.
Marcel;" whites do have a reason to fear being robbed, raped, or killed by black out of control thugs".
Ahhhh... No. In America, EVERYONE, Black, White, Asian, etc..., has a reason to fear being robbed, raped or killed by black out of control thugs. By your "usage and framing" of that statement, it shows that you've been propagandized to believe that whites alone should fear black violence.
Marcel;"However, again, can you find ONE….just ONE poor white town or city that had 200, 300, or even Chicago level 500 murders last year, Allen??".
I believe I answered that question in the form of a question I asked you;
Answer this question; which group of young males shows to be more apt (by a higher percentage) to display violent behavior. Young black urban males, or young white urban males? On average, do you find that young white males engaged in violent clashes in their neighborhoods more-so than young black males?.
Marcel;"You know all the excuses you all use for black crime".
I offered no "excuses" for black violence. I clearly explained why it's occurring;
The reality is this; Unfortunately far too many young black males are being raised in broken homes, uneducated, which in turn leads to depravity and anti-social behavior.
So now your conservative instructors have told you that "depravity" is an excuse?
Marcel "No, P Allen. Like the typical black liberal you are, anytime crimes and violent crimes that young black males commit get brought to the light from the dark, you get upset and uncomfortable, and then cry racism when it is addressed. And then the pathetic black liberal excuses and apologies start. Well get used to it, because I am not going to be political correct, and I am not backing down and will continue to speak on or write on the crime problem that exist in the black community today. I don't give a damn about whites are doing, I am talking about the black communities now."
You're absolutely 150% spot on Marcel. Allen like many other liberals especially blacks ones are use to sticking their fingers in their ears, when they are presented the fact that the problem in the black community are internal to that of blacks, and the dreaded right wing conspiracy has zero to do with the social and economic problems of blacks in America. They ignore the negative impact that the urban hip hop lifestyle culture is having. They rally around Trayvon Martin ONLY because he was shot by a person that wasn't black, yet they say nothing about the epidemic of black on black violent crime, and they expect that everybody else say thing about.
Marcle to allen" You can apologize and make excuses for these black thugs all you want, though, as most black libs do. "
They are epic apologist and excuse makers. Funny how they only seem to care about he issues in the black community is when a Republican is president. Marcel, you remember when Bob Erchlich was Governor. Remember how he wanted to bring slot machines to Maryland? Remember who were the ones who came out and said that expanded gambling would negatively impact black people and that it was racially incentive to even think such a thing about bringing slots to Maryland especially Baltimore City. Oh yeah, Democrats had their flunky fake pastors and community leaders calling Ehrlich a racist and everything else bad. Well my my my look what happened as soon as Martin O'Malley beat Ehrlich. Those black pastors and community leaders were no where to be found then,because a Democratic Governor was open to slots. Well we not only have slots now, we have gambling in Maryland along with a new casino being built in Downtown Baltimore in the city in which liberals once said it was racist to consider building a gambling parlor in a city that is 65% black. It's sad how allow themselves to be played like fools.
Marcel "
They whine about blacks on death row, but who is committing the vast majority of murders and violent crime even in a 64% white County like Baltimore County? Black men - period. Look it up if you don't believe it, libs."
Most of the violent crime comes from black criminals who live in the city and go out into the county. Other then that, the four areas in Baltimore County that makes up a bulk of the violent crime statistics are Randalstown, Owings Mills and Woodlwan which are black area.
Marcel "Now does it mean that all blacks in Baltimore and PG County are like this? No. Of course, not. But it is just interesting to see that even in the County, where incomes are higher; crime still seems to follow the our communities at a much higher rate than anyone else – including Hispanics – legal and illegal in MD. And yes, the Hispanics have a crime problem too in SOME of their communities, but still much lower than blacks in MD.
You're right. All blacks in Baltimore City, Prince Georges County or some of the suburbs in Baltimore County are not violent criminals. But the vast majority of the violent criminals in those respected areas are blacks. Progressives think when the later is mentioned, you are really saying that all blacks are criminals. They try to twist to either ignore the reality or they are delusional.
Marcl" Again, something is seriously going on in the black community, poor and middle class, that needs to really be looked at. Any time you have black youth and black grown ass men in a County (Baltimore and PG) – some of whose parents even have and had good jobs - committing the majority of violent crime because they want to be cool or hard like the guys in the city, there is a big problem going on."
Poverty breeds crime. The violence of the drug trade is interconnect with the economics of drugs. Young blacks people who are educated are not going to be standing on street corners selling drugs. Liberals as usual are so cockeyed. They care more about drug dealers geting harsher prison sentences for selling crack then a white dealer selling powdered cocaine. They fail to realize or even comprehend that that is a irrelevant point. More blacks are killed over the illegal drug trade then are killed by any white supremacist, neo Nazi or members of the KKK combined times 1,000 or more!
Marcel"I believe it starts with degenerate black hip hop thug culture that teaches young black men that it is cool to be a dumb high school drop that becomes a criminal. It is the stuff black libs will never discuss. They would rather go back to Sharpton talking about Voter ID and white racism and G. Zimmerman and M. Dunn and SYG laws"
It is the Hip Hop music. There are blacks who are too naive to see what is right in front of their eyes. Black liberals will never discuss this, because it would be addressing one of the root problems in the black community. There is no votes to be had by telling the truth. Progressives know that.Sharpton and Jackson are suppose to be "black leaders" yet they are focusing no issues that do not help blacks. The Trayvon Martin/ George Zimmerman thing as many used to gin up blacks in order to go against Stand Your Ground laws which the Zimmeman case wasn't even about, and to attack the right wing who support gun ownership. It doesn't help blacks financially, it doesn't impact their lives one bit. All they have are superficial bs issues to keep the attention of blacks off the real issues that progressive politicians and their flunkies are no addressing.
p allen to Marcel "Ahhhh... No. In America, EVERYONE, Black, White, Asian, etc..., has a reason to fear being robbed, raped or killed by black out of control thugs. By your "usage and framing" of that statement, it shows that you've been propagandized to believe that whites alone should fear black violence."
Everybody does fear that allen, but do you really think there is a conspiracy to why the prison systems disproportionally populated with blacks? Let me guess, the police are plucking innocent young black men off the street at random and are creating bogus charges just to have them locked up?
p allen to marcel "
So now your conservative instructors have told you that "depravity" is an excuse?"
P Allen, you are amazingly naive!!! You live in Detroit of all places and still can't see what the hell is going on. What is the white population in Detroit? What is the percentage of white violent crime per year in Detroit? It's easy for you just brush off logical based questions as merely saying "conservative instructors" told you this? really? What is a "conservative instructor"? I have to know that myself.
P Allen "Conservatives such as Bill O'Reilly often attack what they see as "black culture."
And blacks like Bill Cosby and others also have spoken out on the problems, even people who I don't agree with most of the time like Louis Farrakhan has spoken out on on the problems in the black culture. Furthermore, Bill O'Reilly is NOT a conservative, but nice try though.
P allen "He often attacks black music entertainers as promoting "bad behavior." Frankly, I see nothing wrong with the so-called culture itself. What I see is the perversion and the corrupting of the culture"
I didn't know that Bill O'Reilly attacked black music entertainers in the Jazz, Soul, R&B, Gospel or Reagae music industries. Which entertainers in those black genres has O'Reilly attacked. So he said that blacks entertainers in those black genres are "perversion and corrupting of the culture" allen?
CB;"What is the percentage of white violent crime per year in Detroit?".
Really Tyrone? How many times do I need to say that violence is a major problem in our communities. I'm constantly telling you what I believe needs be done to solve the violence problem. I don't think you're listening.
CB;"It's easy for you just brush off logical based questions as merely saying "conservative instructors" told you this? really? What is a "conservative instructor"? I have to know that myself".
Marcel didn't ask a question. He made an assertion that I, "knew all the excuses you all use for black crime." I offered no excuse for black crime. I stated some of the obvious reasons (depravity, lack of education, etc...).
The "conservative instruction" I was referring to is the propaganda put out by disingenuous white conservatives that black violence is intentionally, purposely, with premeditation, targeting whites. I'm saying that this is not the case. But I'll digress...
Perhaps I'm seeing something completely different and possibly completely innocent in your's and Marcel's assertions. So I have to ask... Do either of you believe that blacks are intentionally, purposely and with premeditation targeting whites?. If you will answer that question with a simple "yes or no" answer it will clear a lot up for me.
I just want to know if you believe articles such as this speaks the truth. Yes or no, do you believe it's true?
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