Was it racist or was it the truth that liberals didn't want to hear?
If a white person said that he or she wouldn't go into a bad neighborhood, because African Americans lived there, would that be considered a racist thing to have said? If a Republican, famous conservative or Tea Party candidate ever said that, oh hells bells would there be a problem. Nice that Democrats aren't racist (because they said so) they don't have to worry about such comments being said. I'm just curious however, would that statement be racist? Well a white female legislator in New Cassel New York named Ellen Birmbaum said about a neighborhood next tot the Yes We Can Community Center "This is a bad neighborhood because African Americans live there. Very few people would want to live there." Oh by the way, Ms Birmbaum is a Democrat. Yes, you read right, she isn't a Tea Party, Republican nor conservative, I may have overlooked that party. Anyways, her comments didn't sit very well with black Democrats, gee I wonder why?
Is Democratic legislator Ellen Birmbaum a racist? Clearly there are those in her party who believe she is, and they want her to resign for her remarks. It would be so easy to hang Ms Birnbaum out as a symbol of Democratic racism, but I believe there was truth to what she said. So I am kind of slit on this one. It was a truth that black and white progressives chose to ignore, yet attack conservatives for pointing the obvious out. The seedy, crime infested problems in the inner cities are in mainly black neighborhoods. All you have do is pick a city, Baltimore Newark New Jersey, New Jersey City, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Richmond, Oakland, South Central Los Angeles, Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans, Flint Michigan etc etc etc. The unspoken rule is to never speak out loud what the problem is and more importantly who are the ones who are causing those areas to be urban war zones. For all the talk that Democrats spew about diversity, white liberals would not dare step foot into a black or mostly black impoverished neighborhood unless they are politicians going to a black church during an election year. The neighborhood she was in wasn't bad, because blacks lived there. It was bad, because of the type of blacks who lived there. Poverty is a major reason for why these neighborhoods look likes something out of a post apocalyptic Mad Max movie. Blacks who live in these impoverish crime infested neighborhoods do so mostly by necessity and not by desire. Poverty breeds crime, and criminals live in impoverished neighborhoods. Blacks with a good education tend not to live in poverty. Democratic progressives run these cities exclusively, no Tea Party, conservatives, no Republicans zero, ziltch, nada. What Ms Birnbaum witnessed and commented on is the aftermath of her political party not addressing what caused those neighborhoods not to be safe and economically sound in the first place. At the end of the day, Democratic politicians and their subservients saying to blacks in these crime gripped ghettos, vote for us, because the GOP and Tea Party are racist is such a deception to their constituents they claim to support. It just takes attention away for another few more years of having to address the real problems facing blacks. I could take Ms Birnbaum through parts of Baltimore that would have her peeing in her pants, and that's just in the day time. Funny how the mystical Democratic progressive utopias are few and far between for blacks, and you better not say out loud that or you might be called a racist for doing so.
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 9:47 PM
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Kind of like how Dallas Mavericks owner, Mark Cuban in the discussion of the aftermath of Donald Sterling's racists comments, he noted that if he was walking down the street after dark, and sees a black person or persons in hoodies, he would walk across the other side of the street. If he were to see some white guy, shaved and covered in tattoos head to toe, he would walk to the other side of the street.
After Cuban making those comments, he was called a racist. So, it was considered racist for his reference of seeing black guys in hoodies? But if he wants to avoid bald white guys covered in tattoos, is he using common sense?
Now, if a black person were to come across that same situation like what Mark Cuban was describing, would he do the same thing? Would that make him a racist for wanting to avoid a group of shaved, tattooed white guys? What if he wants to avoid a group of blacks in hoodies? What does that make him?
Many years ago, before I finally could afford to buy a car, once I got off work around three o'clock in the morning, I had to walk home in the middle of the night, and go through the neighborhoods I was familiar with for my own safety. One night, walking down the street I usually go on, I see a group of teenagers shouting out obscenities, I decide to take a detour; I wasn't going to take the chance crossing paths with them. Was I using common sense or was I being a "teensist".
-BP
CB;"It would be so easy to hang Ms Birnbaum out as a symbol of Democratic racism, but I believe there was truth to what she said. So I am kind of slit on this one. It was a truth that black and white progressives chose to ignore, yet attack conservatives for pointing the obvious out".
Kind of "slit" on this one? Perhaps you meant, "kind of SPLIT" on this one. Nevertheless, why would you be split? Split for what reason? Is it a racially charged comment our not? Oooooh... I get it. If you say it's a racist statement, then you'd have to denounce similar statements that have been, or will be made by white conservatives. Is that really "free thinking?" A single straight forward comment was made, and you can't make up your mind?
He who hesitates, is lost...
CB;"At the end of the day, Democratic politicians and their subservients saying to blacks in these crime gripped ghettos, vote for us, because the GOP and Tea Party are racist is such a deception to their constituents they claim to support".
How many times do you have to be told Tyrone. Blacks haven't voted for the GOP "en-masse" for almost 70 years! It's as plain a fact as violence and crime is in the inner cities. Yet you keep beating the dead horse. Blacks vote Democrat. The only thing that I can say I like about blacks voting Democrat, is the fact we don't vote Republican.
CB;"It just takes attention away for another few more years of having to address the real problems facing blacks".
The problems facing blacks aren't nothing new either. Here's a once popular song from 1970 who's lyrics are very pertinent today...
Ball Of Confusion.
Let’s go back to one of my favorite historical presidential races -–1912: The only election that featured a current president, a former president, and a future president (along with a Socialist candidate who received the most popular votes ever with 6 percent).
Teddy Roosevelt, running as a Bull Moose, was bitterly frustrated that he couldn’t even insert a plank in his platform that spoke out against LYNCHING because it would have angered various factions of the national party. A liberal party! He called it “lilly-white” progressivism. And yes, it’s still the prevailing fabric in our society today. It's called institutional racism.
Take away the religious issues of abortion and gay rights, and the two major parties today, which are run pretty much exclusively by white power players -- are functionally identical. We’re all (white) Americans here. We’re not as different as we’d like to believe.
Ellen Birnbaum is an idiot. But she’s a typical white American, don’t you think?
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-white-republicans-more-racist-than-white-democrats/
This country has reaped what it has sown. We can only guess what Lincoln’s reconstruction would have looked like. But he was shot and killed by a white supremacist before we ever got a chance to see it.
Well over a century of stripping wealth, prosperity, and equal citizenship – and we’re wondering why blacks are still considered second-class in this country?? Shit, Tyrone, in the town where I live in today -– while I was alive! –- it was illegal for blacks to be here after sundown. That’s not ancient history. And I don't live in the South. That’s while you and I were walking, talking human beings.
Institutional racism is still the status quo. You are correct to a point when saying that the Democrats have not earned the blind devotion that they receive from African-Americans. Yet one can also argue that the Republican party has not earned the blind devotion it receives from middle-class and poor whites.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/upshot/southern-whites-loyalty-to-gop-nearing-that-of-blacks-to-democrats.html?_r=0
Really, what is the option for poor and middle-class voting blacks? They’re seriously going with the conservative ideology that has historically obliterated them? The Democrats may not be the perfect option, but it is far, far, far better than today’s Bible-thumping Republicans. (You know, the people 40 and 50 years ago who fought segregation laws because it was their Christian freedom of religion).
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/05/29/the_religious_right_formed_around_support_for_segregation_not_against_abortion.html
The other night I read a wonderful public comment from some troll on the FOX News site who reminisced that “In the good old days, people like [Obama] would be doing the swing-from-a-tree dance.”
Lynching. That’s an answer that’s as good as any from a conservative. LYNCHING! Gee, Tyrone, I wonder why blacks aren’t flocking to the conservative party in droves?!?
NEITHER party currently has a truly effective national urban agenda. We’ve tried everything but this:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/05/reparations_should_be_paid_to_black_americans_here_is_how_america_should.html
I agree with you, Tyrone, when you write “Blacks who live in these impoverish crime infested neighborhoods do so mostly by necessity and not by desire. Poverty breeds crime, and criminals live in impoverished neighborhoods. Blacks with a good education tend not to live in poverty.”
MLK’s next great political initiative was going to be a true war on poverty. But he was shot and killed by a white supremacist before we ever got a chance to see it. Whatever it was going to be, we can guess pretty clearly is the forbearers of today’s Teabaggers would have fought it tooth and nail, just as they did with national Civil Rights legislation in the 1866, 1871, 1875, 1957, 1960, 1964, 1968, 1987, 1990, and 1991.
What’s the conservative answer for solving black urban poverty, Tyrone? Let’s hear it.
-BP "Kind of like how Dallas Mavericks owner, Mark Cuban in the discussion of the aftermath of Donald Sterling's racists comments, he noted that if he was walking down the street after dark, and sees a black person or persons in hoodies, he would walk across the other side of the street. If he were to see some white guy, shaved and covered in tattoos head to toe, he would walk to the other side of the street."
If Cuban wouldn't have mentioned the word "hoodies", there wouldn't have been this grand fake outrage. If he would have used the hoodies comment pre Trayvon Martin, there still wouldnt' have been this fake outrage. If I was Cuban, I would have said point blank what did I say that wasn't accurate, and if they can't point it out, I'm not going to apologize period, end of discussion. If they didn't like it, they could pound sand and go to hell.
-BP "After Cuban making those comments, he was called a racist. So, it was considered racist for his reference of seeing black guys in hoodies? But if he wants to avoid bald white guys covered in tattoos, is he using common sense?
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Of course they called him a racist BP, that's the only word they seem to have in their immediate vocabulary. Them using the word "racist", is like everybody else using common words like "is", "when" and "what". Of course they would never Daymond John whether he thinks Mark Cuban is a racist. Considering that both Daymond John who is black and the founder of the clothing line FUBU is good friends with Cuban, he would have to set them straight. Racism to a liberal has come down to anyone who doesn't see things in regards to race through the same warped angle prism as they do. Over the last few years, the word as been so drastically diluted, it's become almost a meaningless word. Once upon a time, being called a racist was one of the harshest stigmas that could be said about a person. These days calling a person a racist is like saying that person is a fool or idiot, it's become way to common a word. The odd thing is that Cuban didn't say anything about Travyon Martin, they interjected his name into it.
-BP "Now, if a black person were to come across that same situation like what Mark Cuban was describing, would he do the same thing? Would that make him a racist for wanting to avoid a group of shaved, tattooed white guys? What if he wants to avoid a group of blacks in hoodies? What does that make him?"
Jesse Jackson even said something similar to Cuban, so unless they consider Jackson to be a racist, it would be hypocritical for them to think that or say that of Cuban. Old blacks wouild definitely walk across the street or being guard and unnerved if a group of young black males past them at night wearing hoodies with their pants down and underwear showing. It's reality. If a group of older black men in their 30's and 40's were approaching me, I wouldn't think nothing of it and just walk right past them feeling perfectly safe. Cuban spoke the truth, but to people who dont' like the truth, because it discredits their way of thinking, it's considered offensive.
-BP "Many years ago, before I finally could afford to buy a car, once I got off work around three o'clock in the morning, I had to walk home in the middle of the night, and go through the neighborhoods I was familiar with for my own safety. One night, walking down the street I usually go on, I see a group of teenagers shouting out obscenities, I decide to take a detour; I wasn't going to take the chance crossing paths with them. Was I using common sense or was I being a "teensist".
There is a term that is used, but I forgot what it was. It's like a sixth sense survival instinct. I got it, "self preservation". Your mind will lay out the best way to survive in an unfavorable situations. You looked at the teens and your mind sized them up as a potential threat, and it reacted not to put you in harms way situation. It was normal. I would be crazy to walk past a bunch of teens late a night that are cursing and carrying on. One one hand, they might simply be just walking and cursing but don't have any malicious intend, but the question would be, would I want to chance it? The logical answer would be no.
54215 4364838"MLK’s next great political initiative was going to be a true war on poverty. But he was shot and killed by a white supremacist before we ever got a chance to see it."
Check out the poverty rate and income per capita of blacks during the 1960's vs now in 2014. As for the Tea Party, you are barking up the wrong tree. Democrat liberals control the cities in which the vast amount of black impoverishment resides. No Republicans, Tea Party or conservatives run those areas. That's all on the liberal side.
54215 4364838" Whatever it was going to be, we can guess pretty clearly is the forbearers of today’s Teabaggers would have fought it tooth and nail, just as they did with national Civil Rights legislation in the 1866, 1871, 1875, 1957, 1960, 1964, 1968, 1987, 1990, and 1991."
Seeing that the Tea Party was created to fight mainly fiscal and economic issues, I have to seriously disagree. You call them "tea baggers" which shows your prejudice against them,so your assumption on what they would have done is based on your prejudice and not facts. TEA (Taxed Enough Already).
"Institutional racism is still the status quo. You are correct to a point when saying that the Democrats have not earned the blind devotion that they receive from African-Americans. Yet one can also argue that the Republican party has not earned the blind devotion it receives from middle-class and poor whites."
54215 4364838" Where is the evidence of this institutionalized racism I keep hearing about"
Dr Dre has just become the richest black person or the one of the richest in America now that Apple has bought his Beats headphones company for three billion dollars. I guess that wouldn't be an example of institutionalized racism. Dont' get me wrong, racism will always exist, but progressives want everybody to think that every year is like 1964, the eternal time warp. We are fifty years removed since the passing of the 1964 Civil Right Act. Most blacks could' even tell you want the bill was even about. The problems in the black community is all within the black community. Poverty, drug addiction, illiteracy, black genocide, lack of morality etc. That's all internal. No "institutionalized racism" involved. That's pointing the attention away from the real problems that are a huge for any of us to see.
54215 4364838"What’s the conservative answer for solving black urban poverty, Tyrone? Let’s hear it."
The conservatives solutions have been well known for decades. 1. Stabilizing the black community starts with black men taking responsibility for their children. This is a problem that can't be legislated away. A two parent household is far more beneficial to the upbringing of a black child then just one.2. Create businesses within black communities, give them micro loans and entrepreneur mentor ships. 3. A full force effort must be made to engage black kids while they are young and stir them away from the influences of the streets, by getting clergy and civil leader involved. 4. A denouncing of the hip hop culture and it's influence from the baggy pants, showing their underwear, having tattoos all over their face and neck etc. I haven't heard liberals mention any of this, have you? All I have heard is that "Tea Party" is going to somehow get them,eeeyeah.
The inner cities didn't get the way they are now overnight. This problem was decades int he making, and it's going to take that much time if not longer to reverse what has happened that is even if it begins. It's only been about what 50 years, so when will the "Great Progressive Society" start to materialize for blacks? Or is it like the "endless struggle for hope and change"?
p allen "Kind of "slit" on this one? Perhaps you meant, "kind of SPLIT" on this one."
Duh allen, are you really questioning what I obviously meant? Brilliant as always.
P allen "Nevertheless, why would you be split? Split for what reason? Is it a racially charged comment our not? Oooooh... I get it. If you say it's a racist statement, then you'd have to denounce similar statements that have been, or will be made by white conservatives."
Not at all allen. I'm (split) on this because, it's not an easy cut and try statement, that's why. If she said that she didn't want to live in a neighorhood with blacks, ye the neighborhood was a solidly middle class or upper middle class neighborhood, then that's a different scenario completely, because their is not quality of life or safety issues in living a middle class neighborhood. We can agree or I think we can agree that urban blacks who live in the ghettos and slums have different values then that of blacks who live in middle class and upper middle class neighborhoods. Howard Country Maryland has one of he highest income per capita ratios in the country. Most of the blacks who live there are high salary professionals. So there is no surprise that there is very little crime and quality of life disruptions in Howard Country as opposed to Baltimore City.
About 20 years ago or so, the governemnt wanted to move low income section eight housing residents into the suburbs from the city. It was called "move to opportunity". Of course only a liberal could think of something so incredibily stupid of an idea. The premise was in the name. They figured that if low income section 8 folks (who were mostly black) were moved out of the crime infested city and into the suburbs, they would be more inclined to want to work in order to continue living there. Well of course, this idea didn't sit well with property owners in the targeted areas of this program. You can imagine what happened next. The supporters of the program called those who opposed it as being "racists", because they figured it had to be that the residents didn't want those people out in the burbs is, because they were black. A funny thing happened though. Many black home owners in the suburbs also came out and voiced opposition to the section 8 folks moving into their neighborhoods. That pretty much neutralized the whole racist smear by the Move To Opportunity folks. The black homeowners however were called sellouts and traders etc. I remember one black homeowner who was interviewed on the news stating that she worked hard to make something out of her life so that she could escape the ghettos and move to a better life, it wasn't fair that section 8 residents would get to have what she had to work so hard for.
p allen "Is that really "free thinking?" A single straight forward comment was made, and you can't make up your mind?"
If you had a choice between living in a black suburban neighborhood that was a stable low crime middle class neighborhood or one that was a drug and crime infested black inner city neighborhood, what one would you choice allen? Pick one.
54215; "Take away the religious issues of abortion and gay rights, and the two major parties today, which are run pretty much exclusively by white power players -- are functionally identical.".
ABSOLUTELY! Look what the conservative agenda has done to Tyrone. And I'm not talking about the issue of "personal responsibility." Anyone with common sense knows that an individual should be responsible for themselves.
I have a problem with the conservative idea of being a "singular religious based" (hypocritically I might add) ideology. It's a well known fact that religion and politics don't mix well. Placing a single religion as the principle basis for political beliefs can lead to religious based arguments that could turn into discrimination, and unequal participation of those in the minority who practice a different religion.
Case in point is the U.S. Congress and the Senate. Out of more than 30 Jewish members of the house and Senate, only ONE Republican, Eric Cantor, is Jewish.
54215;"The other night I read a wonderful public comment from some troll on the FOX News site who reminisced that “In the good old days, people like [Obama] would be doing the swing-from-a-tree dance".
In almost every case of blatant racism by white conservatives, black conservatives are "instructed" to comply with whatever the party line is. In the case of Cliven Bundy, Black TV and Radio personalities were "instructed" to denounce Bundy's statement, or not say nothing at all. Although, some black conservatives in the blogosphere were given the green light to support Bundy.
Yet, in some cases following their instruction is mandatory. In the case Zimmerman v. Trayvon the hammer came down. No support of an unarmed black teenager. Zimmeramn was to be held up as a symbol of the conservative right. With the involvement of Sharpton, Jackson, the NAACP, etc.., along with all the negative facts weighed against black males, the Zimmerman case was perfect. Initially even Tyrone knew that the shooting of Martin was wrong and questionable to say the least. But when the order came down, Tyrone jumped to attention and fell right in line.
Prior to that was the case of Breitbart v. Sherrod. Even though Breitbart admitted that excerpted video took her statements out of context, and the Spooners (the family Sherrod helped) says she did not discriminate, some black conservatives still claim that Sherrod actually perpetrated a racist act.
I see it as both the liberal white and the conservative white pitting blacks against each other, both for political gain. The only thing that transpires as that blacks become more ostracized and subsequently more divided.
More than 20 years ago I decided to get another used car as my old car was shot. I got it to where I left it and sold it for salvage. Since a McDonald's was just a few blocks away and it was broad daylight I decide to walk there for a bite, and then there call a taxi to go home. However, this was a dangerous neighborhood in Houston, where crimes happened everyday. About half the way to McDonald's a guy of about 20 was walking my direction on the same side of the street. It was not just because he was black (and I'm black but can be mistaken as white), but because of his eyes and stare and dress and the danger of the location, that I was immediately on edge, Within a few seconds I was making the decision whether to walk straight, or cross the street. I compromised it and stayed on my side of the street but moved over toward the street so I was about 10 feet away from him. My peripheral vision was engaged and my ears open. If he moved toward me, I was ready to bolt and he would not catch me cause I was a fast runner. Everything went alright.
Part of the problem is people walk into danger and harm because they do not want to appear racist or stereotype people, and thus will ignore warnings of God-given fear. Not all fear is bad, but God gives us “fight or flight” to use to preserve our health and safety, but we have to act on it. Yes some may need education or enlightenment to not be prejudiced, but a person has to act on what they know at the time.
One of the best examples I have heard is a woman getting on an elevator by herself with a total stranger, even when her “brain computer” warns her not to, because she does not want to appear racist. Especially in a private place like apartments (vs. familiar face in office building), it could lead to robbery, abduction, rape, murder. The question is asked, What female animal would walk alone into a metal soundproof box with a male total stranger in an unknown place? Only man. Because the desire to not appear prejudiced overrides the alarm going off in the mind and reflexes.
P Allen "ABSOLUTELY! Look what the conservative agenda has done to Tyrone. And I'm not talking about the issue of "personal responsibility." Anyone with common sense knows that an individual should be responsible for themselves."
Wrong allen, people with common sense don't know that. That's the reason why people who cry the eternal victim of life's circumstances continue to blame everybody else for their short comings in life. Blacks will easy blame the invisible shackles of racism for their situation rather then take responsibility for their own lives. I could go out today and stand on a corner in an inner city impoverished neighborhood and ask as a survey, "Is the GOP, Tea Party or Conservatives the reason for why blacks can't find jobs, and I bet that well ovell 50% will respond YES! You forget who you are trying to kid allen. Keep focusing on that "structural racism" by those evuk tea party folks, yeah that's the ticket.
Just blame the GOP for the high black unemployment among blacks
p allen "In almost every case of blatant racism by white conservatives, black conservatives are "instructed" to comply with whatever the party line is. In the case of Cliven Bundy, Black TV and Radio personalities were "instructed" to denounce Bundy's statement, or not say nothing at all. Although, some black conservatives in the blogosphere were given the green light to support Bundy."
And again continuing as predicted to ignore any racist tendency, remarks or traits of white liberals. My blog is filled with remarks from me stating the racism is a TWO WAY STREET allen, it's exists in every party and ideology. You have proven that you believe it's a ONE WAY STREET that leads exclusively to conservative. Well again, good luck watching out for the Great Pumpkin comes Halloween. You talk about Clive Bundy, but where was you criticism of Robert Grand Klegal Byrd or Harry "Negro Dialect" Reid"? Yeah I know, silence. Go in the corner until the red light turns green.
P Allen "Yet, in some cases following their instruction is mandatory. In the case Zimmerman v. Trayvon the hammer came down. No support of an unarmed black teenager. Zimmeramn was to be held up as a symbol of the conservative right. With the involvement of Sharpton, Jackson, the NAACP, etc.., along with all the negative facts weighed against black males, the Zimmerman case was perfect. Initially even Tyrone knew that the shooting of Martin was wrong and questionable to say the least. But when the order came down, Tyrone jumped to attention and fell right in line."
You need to take some medication for your delusional thinking allen. It's been well known that I didn't support Travyvon Martin nor Zimmerman. Matter of fact I've said repeatedly that that the case shouldn't have never even been an national issue. Second. I said that Trayvon Martin's death was no different then any other young black male who has been killed on a daily basis other then that he was shot by a Hispanic, oops I meant (white)Hispanic. lol
Because I didn't buy into the over hyped silliness hysteria of Trayvon Martin, your pals made it think that I was supporting George Zimmerman. Oh well, that wasn't my problem.
p allen "I see it as both the liberal white and the conservative white pitting blacks against each other, both for political gain. The only thing that transpires as that blacks become more ostracized and subsequently more divided."
Oh so it's white conservatives who are instructing black liberals to racially attack black conservatives? Is that some new form zork logic allen? As a black person who is conservatiave, I dont' care if blacks are liberals. Hell I'm on record as stating I want blacks to be conservatives, libertarians, whatever. Black liberals aim is to have every black person as liberal Democrats. I'm pushing for ideological and political party diversity for blacks, black liberals can't say the same. I can debate the issues with a black liberals and keep it mainly about politics. Black liberals go racial when they see a black person who isn't liberal as they perceive they should be.
Indigo "More than 20 years ago I decided to get another used car as my old car was shot. I got it to where I left it and sold it for salvage. Since a McDonald's was just a few blocks away and it was broad daylight I decide to walk there for a bite, and then there call a taxi to go home. However, this was a dangerous neighborhood in Houston, where crimes happened everyday. About half the way to McDonald's a guy of about 20 was walking my direction on the same side of the street. It was not just because he was black (and I'm black but can be mistaken as white), but because of his eyes and stare and dress and the danger of the location, that I was immediately on edge, Within a few seconds I was making the decision whether to walk straight, or cross the street. I compromised it and stayed on my side of the street but moved over toward the street so I was about 10 feet away from him. My peripheral vision was engaged and my ears open. If he moved toward me, I was ready to bolt and he would not catch me cause I was a fast runner. Everything went alright"
Tell that story to a liberal, they will say that you were "unfairly judging those people" of course. They have no sense of the real world. You did the right thing Indigo. It's always better to "safe then sorry". No need for anyone to put their lives in danger for the sake of progressive correctness.
>>>1. Stabilizing the black community starts with black men taking responsibility for their children. 2. Create businesses within black communities. 3. Stir black kids away from the influences of the streets.. 4. Denouncing of the hip hop culture.<<<
Oh, what a wonderful plan, Tyrone! Were you wearing a spiffy morning coat, top hat, pince-nez glasses, and spats when you wrote it???
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Here sir, shall I hand you your cane?!?
Seriously. What’s the conservative plan for solving black poverty?
This is what YOU should do: Watch the entire “The African Americans: Many Rivers to Cross with Henry Louis Gates” several times and then sit in a quiet room and possibly rethink your grand plan that features the abolishment of face tattoos and baggy pants.
I’d say a couple centuries’ worth of LEGISLATED trauma that has been imposed upon African-Americans since the dawn of the Republic is going to take a more serious federal investment than that, wouldn’t you think?
Get a clue, pal. You’re wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy back at Square One.
Face tattoos? You're barely scratching the surface. Literally.
ACM commented: “1. Stabilizing the black community starts with black men taking responsibility for their children. This is a problem that can't be legislated away. A two parent household is far more beneficial to the upbringing of a black child then just one.” …..
Over the past Memorial Day weekend I listened as some black democrats, who follow progressive / liberalism, demonized a black leader just for being a republican. Their attitude was like such a black person could not possibly be smart and honest. What they and those like them are blind to, willingly or not, is that a main reason (not only reason) so many black people are WORSE now than in the 1950's, is that leftist democrat policies led many black fathers and black mothers to substitute fornication and permanent generational welfare dependency, in place of a legal father at home who works. A temporary government safety net for people in hard times is good, but not as a way of life. Just last week I heard a woman who works with the disabled say that everday she works with women who have more babies (with boys & men they don't want to marry) so they can get more welfare money. Leftist policies have turned many blacks into blind voters who have Stockholm Syndrome toward the leftist officials who would keep them that way.
The black neighborhood I grew up in in the 1960's and 70's had 3 in 4 homes with a legal black father and black mother. Today in 2014 in that black neighborhood it is 1 in 4 with a legal black father. Some other cultural factors in this are: changing leniency in divorce laws and welfare laws, vulnerability of sectarian religious/political confusion (black sect. leaders used as political pawns to push voting democrat), public school secularization against God's word, gangsta and hip hop culture, radical leftists'/feminism's extreme war against marriage, monogamy, and manhood, and sickness of mind and body due to dependency on junk food & drinks & drugs, and lack of moral training and character.
Solutions? Cultures that ignore or erase proven principles, will fall. “If it ain't broke don't fix it.” Live the time tested principles that have made families excel for thousands of years.
>>>Dr Dre has just become the richest black person or the one of the richest in America now that Apple has bought his Beats headphones company for three billion dollars. I guess that wouldn't be an example of institutionalized racism. Dont' get me wrong, racism will always exist, but progressives want everybody to think that every year is like 1964, the eternal time warp. We are fifty years removed since the passing of the 1964 Civil Right Act. Most blacks could' even tell you want the bill was even about. The problems in the black community is all within the black community. Poverty, drug addiction, illiteracy, black genocide, lack of morality etc. That's all internal. No "institutionalized racism" involved. That's pointing the attention away from the real problems that are a huge for any of us to see.<<<
The War on Drugs -- which has resulted in the incarceration of 1.5 million Americans per year; which would send one in five black Americans to prison since Reagan took office; which has unleashed harmful collateral consequences to those who have served prison time – was post-1964. It is one current seminal example of institutionalized racism.
I’m checking my calendar here, and it says the 1970s and ‘80s were also post-1964. Industries left the cities. The middle class left the cities. And the black poor were left behind. How exactly your whipping-boy “liberal” mayors were supposed to control job loss and economic abandonment and a rampant underground drug industry without dedicated federal help is beyond me.
I’m not your Sociology professor. You have a personal responsibility to have a clue about what you’re talking about especially when utilizing such a powerful medium.
Your American cultural viewpoint is jarring. No better than a rich guy in a top hat. So much for intellectual free-thinking conservatism.
Your little blog is a failure. As is any previous or present conservative "plan" to make this country a more perfect union.
CB;""Is the GOP, Tea Party or Conservatives the reason for why blacks can't find jobs, and I bet that well ovell 50% will respond YES!".
You think that's "common sense???" Someone who believes it's the Tea Party's and conservatives fault blacks have high unemployment? That's just as stupid as conservatives and Tea Party's blaming the President Obama. Again Tyrone you've proven you'll say anything in a failed attempt to make a nonsensical point...
CB;"And again continuing as predicted to ignore any racist tendency, remarks or traits of white liberals".
Hardly. I don't ignore racism at any level. YOU DO! Why would I constantly tell you that as a "minority" in America, we as blacks need to form and create own own institutions (economic, education, social, etc...). I've said it time and time again.
I truly believe that white liberals DO NOT have our best interest at heart. Yet I "KNOW" that white conservatives don't.
Have you ever thought as to why most Jews (most of whom are very prosperous) choose the Democrat party? Have you ever thought as to why most immigrants, particularly non-white immigrants, choose to vote Democrat? Have you ever thought as to why most Arab and Asian Americans vote Democrat? Have you noticed that even in the once Republican stronghold of South Florida Cuban immigrants, there has been a noticeable shift to the Democrat party?
Mind you, I'm not talking about the crazed faked, "PURELY" political debate over illegal Mexicans. I'm talking about the obvious perception that "most" white conservatives don't have people of color (and poor whites) interests at heart.
Most people of color in this country knows that the once written rule of "white privilege", still remains as the "de facto" rule. Although many white so-called liberals realize their privilege, they hide it and pretend that they're open and accepting of all races. Whereas the white conservative (often in code) speaks his mind. Although you attempt to deny it, there are many factions with the conservative movement that are overtly racist. That is why you see the gravitation of non white toward the Democrat party. Can you prove anything different?
CB;"You need to take some medication for your delusional thinking allen. It's been well known that I didn't support Travyvon Martin nor Zimmerman".
Negro PUUUH-LEEEEEZZZZ! That's a crock of BULL$#!&!
This is what you wrote in March of 2012 in an essay entitled, "The Murder Of Trayvon Martin:Part 1, The Incident."
"When Mr. Zimmerman decided to ignore the orders of the 911 dispatcher, he lost the right to calm the ultimate shooting of Trayvon Martin was in "self defense". When he got out of his truck to confront Trayvon, the situation became one of stalking and harassment by Mr. Zimmerman. Even though I agree Zimmerman was clearly in the wrong and should be charged with 1st degree murder, I seriously have to question the outrage coming from the black community.".
Agree Zimmerman was in "the wrong??" Stalking and harassment by Mr. Zimmerman?? Charged with 1st degree murder?? And you're trying to tell me you "didn't support either???" Don't even try it Tyrone...
You were aware of as much of the information about the "incident" as everyone else was. You knew that Trayvon would have been alive today if Zimmerman had just left him alone, made no contact with Trayvon, and just allowed him to walk home. You knew that Zimmerman DID NOT DO THAT! That being said, I know exactly what changed your mind.
It wasn't the assumption that Zimmerman was "in the right" for killing Trayvon. After all, you do admit that you didn't support Zimmerman. What changed your mind about your support for Trayvon was the entering, and reactions of the so-called "black establishment" (aka, race hustlers, which was penned by white conservatives). The protests, the picketing, the display of outrage is what made you change you point of view. It was Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, the NAACP, and even President Obama. They are were the catalyst for your source of outrage. And frankly, you have admitted just that!
Just think about it Tyrone. The fact is, initially, you indeed supported Trayvon. But it was the interjection of "political foes" that made you change your views. Frankly, that's not good use of making up your own mind. Political ideology doesn't trump right and wrong. From the outset you knew what was right. Yet you allowed political "INSTRUCTION" to determine which side of the fence you would stand on.
And don't feed me the "conservative instruction" about how Trayvon laid in wait and sneak attacked Zimmerman. Neither do I need the obvious lie that Zimmerman wasn't following Trayvon. The fact is you gave in to "political instruction" and political bias to take side with those who don't have YOUR best interest in their hearts and minds.
1575 "I’m checking my calendar here, and it says the 1970s and ‘80s were also post-1964. Industries left the cities. The middle class left the cities. And the black poor were left behind. "
Then can you explain how come there are white middle class neighborhoods still in these cities? Here in Baltimore some of the most economically thriving neighborhoods are in Canton, Federal Hill, Fell's Point, Roland Park, Gilford, Brewer's Hill, Patterson Park etc, they are in the city, they didn't move to the burbs.
1575 "How exactly your whipping-boy “liberal” mayors were supposed to control job loss and economic abandonment and a rampant underground drug industry without dedicated federal help is beyond me."
That's pretty simple actual, there are 3 elements that can make a city grow in population or decline in population. 1. Crime 2. Public Schools 3. Taxation.
When liberals mayors are seen as being soft on crime, people leave. When liberal mayors continue to increase their resident's property taxes, they leave for areas that are more affordable to live. When families feel their kids are in an unsafe and unproductive school system in the city, they move to the burbs with a better school system. Again, it's not complex to figure out. Did it ever occur to you why so many people are leaving California for Texas, Florida, Virginia etc? There was a pull conducted last week that showed that 50% of people here in my state said if they could afford to move out of Maryland they would do to the high taxes. Baltimore City has the highest property tax burden in the state, it also has the worst school system in the state and is the most violent jurisdiction in the state, and that is why it has shed over 300,000 residents in the last 40 years. as I said "taxes, schools, crime" A lot of the cities are experiencing population loss for the same exact 3 reasons.
1184 "Oh, what a wonderful plan, Tyrone! Were you wearing a spiffy morning coat, top hat, pince-nez glasses, and spats when you wrote it???"
I was dressed as an adult. It's kind of a habit of mine. I know dressing respectably is an odd concept, but I am what I am
1184 "Seriously. What’s the conservative plan for solving black poverty?"
No seriously, I've already laid it out, but tell me what the liberal's plan is or is it still a 50 year plan in the making. I guess these things that time right? lol eyeah It's easy to attack someone else's idea, when you can't defend your own.
1184 "This is what YOU should do: Watch the entire “The African Americans: Many Rivers to Cross with Henry Louis Gates” several times and then sit in a quiet room and possibly rethink your grand plan that features the abolishment of face tattoos and baggy pants."
What I should do is continue to do as I've always been doing, not defending the status quo progressive policy and ideological failure in the black community. It's simple logic that young black males will never be hired to work for a respectable company wearing tattoos on their face and neck.
Mayor Michael Nutter of Philadelphia said it best
1184 "I’d say a couple centuries’ worth of LEGISLATED trauma that has been imposed upon African-Americans since the dawn of the Republic is going to take a more serious federal investment than that, wouldn’t you think?"
No I wouldn't think. For starters. An "African-American" is an African who immigrated to the United States and became a naturalized citizen. Now if you are referring to Americans of African descent, then that is a different story. The problems in the inner cities can be linked to harmful legislation that helped to break up the black family. This is an inner problem that legislation can't fix. It has become a cultural deterioration problem, and frankly I don't believe it can be fixed.
1184 "Get a clue, pal. You’re wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy back at Square One."
If you be my bodyguard, I'll be your long lost pal. I can call you betty and betty when you call me
you can call me al. Seriously, you haven't proven anything I said as being wrong. So try to make a factual point, and let's go from there.
p allen "
Negro PUUUH-LEEEEEZZZZ! That's a crock of BULL$#!&!This is what you wrote in March of 2012 in an essay entitled, "The Murder Of Trayvon Martin:Part 1, The Incident."
That Negro catch phrase has been since worn out allen, you got to upgrade seriously, but anyways.
p allen quoting me "When Mr. Zimmerman decided to ignore the orders of the 911 dispatcher, he lost the right to calm the ultimate shooting of Trayvon Martin was in "self defense". When he got out of his truck to confront Trayvon, the situation became one of stalking and harassment by Mr. Zimmerman. Even though I agree Zimmerman was clearly in the wrong and should be charged with 1st degree murder, I seriously have to question the outrage coming from the black community.".
You almost had it, almost. That was my first story I believe I wrote on the story for I had all the facts of the story. So I will admit I originally sided with Martin before I had all the facts, as the facts became known about the what happened and the Trayvon Martin I took a more wait and see approach to the case. Most of my comments afterwards were geared mainly to how blacks were overreacting to this case and idolizing Trayvon Martin. Tell me I'm wrong. Negro pleased?
p allen "You were aware of as much of the information about the "incident" as everyone else was. "
Right there. I knew as much as everybody else did at that time, but much was still not known. As I started forming questions,I took a step back
p allen "You knew that Trayvon would have been alive today if Zimmerman had just left him alone, made no contact with Trayvon, and just allowed him to walk home. You knew that Zimmerman DID NOT DO THAT! That being said, I know exactly what changed your mind. "
Travyon Martin would have been alive also if he didn't attack Zimmerman. If Martin would have asked Zimmerman what do you want, Zimmerman could have explained the situations, the problem would have been defused end of story. So bottom line, both Zimmerman and Martin contributed to the ultimate outcome.
p allen "
Just think about it Tyrone. The fact is, initially, you indeed supported Trayvon. But it was the interjection of "political foes" that made you change your views. "
The facts made me change my mind. If the facts were solidly on Travyon's side, there wouldn't have been anything anyone else could have said to make me change my mind period.
p allen "Frankly, that's not good use of making up your own mind. Political ideology doesn't trump right and wrong."
Thinking with emotions is also a poor substitution for facts allen.
The support for Trayvon was mainly due to Zimmerman not being blacks. They didn't care that Travyon was killed, only that another black person didn't do it. Right or wrong allen? If Zimmerman was black and killed Trayvon Martin, would this story have been allowed to have gotten tot he epic overkill that he did, yes or no?
p allen "From the outset you knew what was right. Yet you allowed political "INSTRUCTION" to determine which side of the fence you would stand on."
You got caught up in the racially charged mob mindset allen. Thankfully that wasn't me. I made my opinions known primarily on the facts as they became available.
>>>Check out the poverty rate and income per capita of blacks during the 1960's vs now in 2014.<<<
If you think the work is done then shame on you.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/05/business/50-years-later-war-on-poverty-is-a-mixed-bag.html?_r=0
Alpha male I have been reading your articles and did not what to write a comment until now. So alpha male you were saying you were wrong about trayvon martin. you said one thing now your saying something else. I thought you always was on zimmerman side. I looked up what allen said. It is true! you did say zimmerman should be charged with first degree murder. dam you got busted! Republicans never tell the truth. you have to catch them in a lie before the fess up. Your just doing what your told alpha male. the republicans lie to you and then you turn around and repeat the same lie. this time you got caught!
Gerald T.-
>>>Here in Baltimore some of the most economically thriving neighborhoods are in Canton, Federal Hill, Fell's Point, [...] etc, they are in the city, they didn't move to the burbs.<<<
The Inner Harbor? Federal Hill? What the hell are you talking about?!? You WERE wearing a spiffy morning coat, top hat, pince-nez glasses, and spats when you wrote this!
That’s like saying “Explain how come there white people living in Lincoln Park and the Gold Coast and gentrified Cabrini Green” when trying to duck the poverty issues in Chicago, which is still one of the most segregated cities in the country.
You’re insulting my intelligence. Again. And Again. And Again.
>>>There are 3 elements that can make a city grow in population or decline in population. 1. Crime 2. Public Schools 3. Taxation.<<<
More cops on the streets need to be paid for somehow. Hmmm, taxes? Public schools are funded by property taxes. Yet you, Uncle Tyrone, are Taxed Enough Already – so let’s stay “conservative,” with the cops and the shitty schools. Got it!
>>>Did it ever occur to you why so many people are leaving California for Texas, Florida, Virginia etc? <<<
Anyone who wants to voluntarily leave for Texas, Florida, and Virginia (???) has my complete blessing. In fact, I’ll hire the moving vans.
>>>No seriously, I've already laid it out, but tell me what the liberal's plan is or is it still a 50 year plan in the making.<<<
You’ve laid out what, exactly? Don’t get a face tattoo?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Wrong.
>>>It's easy to attack someone else's idea, when you can't defend your own.<<<
Attacking ideas without a better plan has been the anti-Obama House of Representatives’ strategy all along! Are you saying the teabagging House isn’t governing well? You are. YOU ARE!!!
>>>What I should do is continue to do as I've always been doing, not defending the status quo progressive policy and ideological failure in the black community.<<<
Do know that the definition of conservative is “adverse to change?” You expect to improve things by defending the status quo! THAT’S CONSERVATISM!
>>>It's simple logic that young black males will never be hired to work for a respectable company wearing tattoos on their face and neck. <<<
If it were as easy as that “simple logic,” tattoo-removal clinics would be the keystone of your “plan” to wipe out poverty. Laughable.
>>>An "African-American" is an African who immigrated to the United States and became a naturalized citizen.<<<
So by your definition, my white co-worker who was born in South Africa and moved up here when he was a teenager and gained U.S. citizenship -- is an African-American.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
No, dummy. The current standard definition is “a black American.”
>>>The problems in the inner cities can be linked to harmful legislation that helped to break up the black family.<<<
That is so far from the truth it’s not even funny.
>>>It has become a cultural deterioration problem, and frankly I don't believe it can be fixed.<<<
So basically, your War on Poverty plan is no plan at all. Because it can’t be fixed.
Thank you. You’ve proven my point. And I think you're ready to run for a Republican congressional seat.
>>>Seriously, you haven't proven anything I said as being wrong. <<<
You’ve done that all by yourself.
CB-No I wouldn't think. For starters. An "African-American" is an African who immigrated to the United States and became a naturalized citizen. Now if you are referring to Americans of African descent, then that is a different story. The problems in the inner cities can be linked to harmful legislation that helped to break up the black family. This is an inner problem that legislation can't fix. It has become a cultural deterioration problem, and frankly I don't believe it can be fixed."
While African immigrants attend college at a much higher rate than U.S. born Blacks, their motivation is very different in that they leave their country to come to the United States which has more opportunities than their home country. Once they earned their citizenship, they seem to prosper and become such law-abiding citizens than most of their black American counterparts who are living in these crime-ridden neighborhoods.
CB-"The support for Trayvon was mainly due to Zimmerman not being blacks. They didn't care that Travyon was killed, only that another black person didn't do it. Right or wrong allen? If Zimmerman was black and killed Trayvon Martin, would this story have been allowed to have gotten tot he epic overkill that he did, yes or no?"
I have to ask. Why does a black life have any value within the black community when it is taken by someone who is white and gets so much national attention like the Martin/Zimmerman case? Yet, places like Chicago where the black murder rate is so high, which are done by other blacks, where is the outrage?
http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2014-chicago-murders/timeline?mon=5
-BP
Regarding poverty as a cause of social breakdown. It's worth having a look at Theodore Dalrymple's Life at the Bottom, which is about the (largely white) underclass in the UK. Dalrymple also worked in Africa, where the poverty was much greater than anywhere in the UK - but he never saw the kind of social and psychological pathologies (similar in many respects to those that can be seen in black ghettos in the US) that he observed in the UK underclass. So poverty per se is not the main problem.
Gerald-" Republicans never tell the truth."
Can you name one "honest" politician, Gerald? How about one who is Democrat? So far, Obama is being cornered for lie after lie, and scandal after scandal. Fast and Furious; Benghazi, Obamacare, IRS targeting conservatives, and recently the trading of our deserter and traitor of a soldier Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl in exchange by releasing top five Taliban leaders without congressional approval.
Oh, did you forget that Obama is too a Democrat?
-BP
Big Pop;"I have to ask. Why does a black life have any value within the black community when it is taken by someone who is white and gets so much national attention like the Martin/Zimmerman case? Yet, places like Chicago where the black murder rate is so high, which are done by other blacks, where is the outrage?".
It's extremely disingenuous to claim that there is no outrage in black communities when blacks kill other blacks. The assertion itself is an insult to the families of those who have been needlessly slaughtered. Moreover, there are distinct dynamic differences between black on black violence and the Zimmerman/Martin case.
Lets first deal with black on black violence. I live in Detroit, so I can tell you from first hand experience. Detroit is 90 percent black. The local county jail's prisoner population is 90 percent black. I'm sure that those same percentages apply to Chicago, Baltimore, L.A., etc... In essence, what does that tell you? It should be obvious that (when identified and caught) blacks who commit crimes against other blacks are held ACCOUNTABLE for their crimes.
Now lets look at the dynamic and the difference.
Just today (Sunday June, 08 2014) there was a shooting in a Walmart in Las Vegas, NV. that left 2 police officers dead. About a week ago, a young man went on a shooting spree near a college campus in Santa Barbara, CA. killing 6 wounding 13. A few days ago there was a shooting on a Christian college campus in Washington state. I could go on and on... So, why don't you ask; "where's the outrage" for these crimes? Where was the outrage when Gabby Giffords was shot? Wheres the outrage over Columbine? Sandy Hook? Yet, if the perpetrator is found to be a "MUSLIM" the outrage is swift and certain, particularly from conservatives! Why doesn't an American life have any value within the American community when it is taken by someone who is American?.
Okay... do you see how "disingenuous" that example argument is? However, the argument is the exact same as your assertion that blacks are not outraged by senseless violence. Black on black violence, or crazed individual shooters on a killing rampage- SENSELESS KILLING IS SENSELESS KILLING! People...Americans wind up DEAD!
The claim that blacks are not outraged by the violence in our communities is a politically motivated contrived talking point! It has no merit nor basis of truth, and is an INSULT to the families of those who were killed by senseless violence.
God forbid that one of your closest family members is ever a victim of some crazed mass shooter. Just imagine how you would fell if some radio or TV pundit told their audience; "Big Pop didn't show any outrage when the Columbine/Sandy Hook kids were killed. Now he wants to show outrage only because his kid got killed."
>>>While African immigrants attend college at a much higher rate than U.S. born Blacks, their motivation is very different in that they leave their country to come to the United States which has more opportunities than their home country. Once they earned their citizenship, they seem to prosper and become such law-abiding citizens than most of their black American counterparts who are living in these crime-ridden neighborhoods. <<<
Stats, please.
>>>In places like Chicago where the black murder rate is so high, which are done by other blacks, where is the outrage?<<<
There’s no outrage? No national coverage? … It’s hard for news to be delivered underneath a rock, apparently.
>>>Regarding poverty as a cause of social breakdown. It's worth having a look at Theodore Dalrymple's Life at the Bottom, which is about the (largely white) underclass in the UK. Dalrymple also worked in Africa, where the poverty was much greater than anywhere in the UK - but he never saw the kind of social and psychological pathologies (similar in many respects to those that can be seen in black ghettos in the US) that he observed in the UK underclass. So poverty per se is not the main problem.<<<
So nightspore, you are saying the main problem is the ‘African’ dynamic then? Interesting.
Presto: I don't know if in fact this woman is a racist or if she just said a racist thing. However, what she said was was wrong and I'm not sure how you can agree with it.
Yes, it is true that many neighborhoods in America that are economically challenged and crime ridden are populated by African Americans. But then there are communities in Atlanta, Fort Greene, Brooklyn, and modern Harlem where wealthy black people live in stable communities.
The truth is race would be one of the last factors I would look at when measuring a stable community. Strong civic engagement, quality schools, hospitals, etc are much better indicators of the health of a neighborhood.
Now, can you argue, that the factors that I've pointed to tend to be weak in many "black neighborhoods" - yes. Can you also argue that for much of American history, the mainstream has discouraged African American from participating or taking advantage of these very institutions of which "white Americans" take for granted - the answer is also yes.
BP-" Fast and Furious; Benghazi, Obamacare, IRS targeting conservatives, and recently the trading of our deserter and traitor of a soldier Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl in exchange by releasing top five Taliban leaders "
LOLOLOLOL! They weren't top nothing! they were a bunch of idiots. thats how they got caught so easy and quick. all those taliban guys were captured in 2001 once the US troops got to Afghanistan. three of the taliban ratted on other guys. All of them are 14 years older and have not seen a fight since then. one of them have never seen fighting at all because he was a intelligence minister. If they want to go back on the battle field why not let them! You cant hold these guys forever. Put them back on the battle field. They can get droned just like their buddies.
Republicans lie about this stuff to pump you up. They hate obama because hes black. so they make everything out to be so bad and wrong. lie lie lie!
Gerald T-
Allen’”It's extremely disingenuous to claim that there is no outrage in black communities when blacks kill other blacks. The assertion itself is an insult to the families of those who have been needlessly slaughtered. Moreover, there are distinct dynamic differences between black on black violence and the Zimmerman/Martin case.”
Yeah, I’m sure that Jesse and Al and the NAACP are really outraged about the senseless killings that are happening within the black community. Do you think that they give a damn about the killings done by blacks or the victims family? The only time that they take interest in a death of a black person, is when it is done by someone who is white. In the Martin/Zmmerman case, Martin was killed by a “white Hispanic” to fit their narrative. The reason that they take no interest in black-on-black crime, it doesn’t line their pocketbooks.
Allen-“Lets first deal with black on black violence. I live in Detroit, so I can tell you from first hand experience. Detroit is 90 percent black. The local county jail's prisoner population is 90 percent black. I'm sure that those same percentages apply to Chicago, Baltimore, L.A., etc... In essence, what does that tell you? It should be obvious that (when identified and caught) blacks who commit crimes against other blacks are held ACCOUNTABLE for their crimes.
I would rather see violent criminals regardless of their race or background to be arrested and incarcerated. And yes, they deserve a fair trial. Frankly, I don’t want to see these sex offenders back out on the streets attacking women and children; they are more likely to re-offend. Since sex offenders are required by law to register, I would like to see the same thing apply to these violent criminals too. What are the chances that these people who are out on parole to go back to their old ways?
-BP
Allen-“Just today (Sunday June, 08 2014) there was a shooting in a Walmart in Las Vegas, NV. that left 2 police officers dead. About a week ago, a young man went on a shooting spree near a college campus in Santa Barbara, CA. killing 6 wounding 13. A few days ago there was a shooting on a Christian college campus in Washington state. I could go on and on... So, why don't you ask; "where's the outrage" for these crimes? Where was the outrage when Gabby Giffords was shot? Wheres the outrage over Columbine? Sandy Hook? Yet, if the perpetrator is found to be a "MUSLIM" the outrage is swift and certain, particularly from conservatives! Why doesn't an American life have any value within the American community when it is taken by someone who is American?”
Yeah Allen, where was the outrage? Most of the time the Left would sometimes make excuses for these criminals. Instead of taking outrage on the criminal who killed and wounding innocent people, they have to go and blame the gun that the criminal was holding, the conservative, the Republicans, the NRA, violent video games, or rock and hip-hop music. When criminals who are doing the shooting are subdued by others, whether it is having to shoot them, pepper spray, or to taser them, suddenly, their “outrage” is shifted toward those who stopped the shooter and to say that it was too “excessive”? I don’t know about you, if someone goes on a shooting spree, I would like that person to be stopped by all means, even if it they have to be gunned down. As for the Muslims, namely the ones who crashed our planes on 9/11, the “disgruntled” Army major who shot up Ft. Hood, and the two teens who set off the bombs in Boston, I could care less about them! They murdered and maimed innocent people and the mainstream media still makes excuses one after another to not “offend” the Muslim community.
Allen-“Okay... do you see how "disingenuous" that example argument is? However, the argument is the exact same as your assertion that blacks are not outraged by senseless violence. Black on black violence, or crazed individual shooters on a killing rampage- SENSELESS KILLING IS SENSELESS KILLING! People...Americans wind up DEAD!”
That’s sounds like the sermon I heard in Church many years ago that when a person dies, whether it is murder, it was “God’s will” for these people to die (I no longer attend that Church, by the way). I don’t think that pastor was in his right mind, but I doubt God does not want anybody to be murdered. Why don’t we tell that to the victims’ families. Or do they not give a damn that a loved one of theirs was murdered? Suppose if it was your loved one? Do you want their murderer to be brought to justice?
-BP
Allen-“The claim that blacks are not outraged by the violence in our communities is a politically motivated contrived talking point! It has no merit nor basis of truth, and is an INSULT to the families of those who were killed by senseless violence.”
Oh, kind of like the time such as the Atlanta Child Murders? While the case was unsolved, the victims families were outraged and accused the police and the FBI for not doing their job. When it turned out that the suspect all along was a black man, Wayne William, who was tried convicted, somehow much of the victims family were “suspicious” that the police had the wrong guy, despite the evidence that linked Williams to the murders. Now, they’re more concerned about Williams’ conviction than the death of their children? Where’s the logic. Just as ridiculous that women claimed that Ted Bundy was way too good looking to be a serial killer.
Allen-“God forbid that one of your closest family members is ever a victim of some crazed mass shooter. Just imagine how you would fell if some radio or TV pundit told their audience; "Big Pop didn't show any outrage when the Columbine/Sandy Hook kids were killed. Now he wants to show outrage only because his kid got killed."
Whenever such tragedy like Columbine, Sandy Hook strikes, my prayers do go out to the victims and their families. I lost count as to how many times I’ve turned on my local news station about some about some resident in the Seattle area who was murdered and friends and family members are crying on TV for their loss. I never heard any TV pundit exclaim that these victim’s friends and family gave a damn about the events of Columbine and Sandy Hook. I don’t know what would prompt them to com up with that insulting analogy but it is disgraceful.
-BP
6223-"Stats, please"
http://minneafrica.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/something-you-should-know-about-african-immigrants-in-the-us-pass-it-on/
-BP
Gerald T-"LOLOLOLOL! They weren't top nothing! they were a bunch of idiots. thats how they got caught so easy and quick. all those taliban guys were captured in 2001 once the US troops got to Afghanistan. three of the taliban ratted on other guys. All of them are 14 years older and have not seen a fight since then. one of them have never seen fighting at all because he was a intelligence minister. If they want to go back on the battle field why not let them! You cant hold these guys forever. Put them back on the battle field. They can get droned just like their buddies."
If their chronological age is the issue Gerald, what's to stop them for instigating others to go out and do their dirty work?
Gerald T-"Republicans lie about this stuff to pump you up. They hate obama because hes black. so they make everything out to be so bad and wrong. lie lie lie!"
So, how is that "Hope and Change" under Obama working for you Gerald? Last I checked there are plenty of black Republicans in the party: Allen West, Mia Love, Herman Cain, Condileeza Rice, Niger Innes, Alan Keyes, Michael Steele, Colin Powell, etc...The list goes on!
And I'll remind you again Gerald, playing the race card, by suggesting that Republicans don't like Obama because he's black, you sir, are being a racist.
-BP
Big Pop;"Yeah, I’m sure that Jesse and Al and the NAACP are really outraged about the senseless killings that are happening within the black community. Do you think that they give a damn about the killings done by blacks or the victims family?".
Why wouldn't they? There's a huge difference between the NAACP, Sharpton and Jackson being concerned, and your NOT wanting them to be concerned. It's the idea that a black organization that you don't like does NOT care about other blacks, is a right-wing political meme you want, and need to be true.
You have no other defense against the displayed black outrage in cases such as the Zimmerman'martin situation. You want it to be true that blacks are not concerned about black-on-black crime. You "NEED" it to be true. I bet you haven't even attempted to research to see if the NAACP, Sharpton or Jackson has ever spoken out on the subject...have you? Would you be "happy" to see that they have?
Here... I'll give you a link to such an event....
Jesse Jackson rallies to stop black-on-black carnage.
Does that make you feel any better to see that? The next rally they hold I'll send you a link. You should contact your local branch of the NAACP, The National Action Network or Rainbow Push and get involved so you too can speak out against black-on-black violence. Hell, you can start your own chapter and dedicate it specifically to preventing black-on-black violence.
Big Pop;"Instead of taking outrage on the criminal who killed and wounding innocent people, they have to go and blame the gun that the criminal was holding, the conservative, the Republicans, the NRA,".
Yeah....right. The last thing you want to do is "blame the gun." The "gun" was innocent in all of this. Even if the gun was stolen, illegally purchased or it's being used by some nut wanting to kill as many children as he could before blowing his own brains out. Yep that's right... don't blame that innocent gun. After all, the gun is only doing what it's supposed to do... KILL!
Here's a story I think you'd like. It's about some real nice gun advocates who just could stand to see good guns go to waste.
The Detroit Police annually holds a no questions asked gun buyback in an attempt to remove guns from the streets of the city. Well, some gun nuts...ahhh, excuse me, "gun advocates" decided they would pay more for these guns... (which to me says they want them to stay on the streets). Although I don't have first hand evidence that it was occurring, "credible" rumors have it that some drug dealers and other assorted crooks heard about the gun advocates "no questions asked" buy-back offering more cash than police. In turn many of these disposable murder weapons were now being bought by gun advocates. No questions asked of course...
BP;" I never heard any TV pundit exclaim that these victim’s friends and family gave a damn about the events of Columbine and Sandy Hook. I don’t know what would prompt them to com up with that insulting analogy but it is disgraceful".
No Big Pop... wrong answer. You've repeatedly stated that the NAACP, Sharpton, Jackson (the left wing black boogie men) don't care that blacks kill other blacks. Therefore, I proffer that "YOU" truly DID NOT care when the innocent children of Sandy Hook were killed. You are not outraged. You would rather support your gun rights than care about innocent children. The crazy part is that, I know I'm right!
Allen-“Jesse Jackson rallies to stop black-on-black carnage. Does that make you feel any better to see that?”
Good for him, Allen! So, what took him so long? Why is he not as persistent likeTyrone and other black conservatives who speak out about this? Every time some black conservative speak out about black-on-black violence, they get called all sorts of names, like Uncle Tom or sellout. If I remember correctly, you said that have no respect for Jesse Jackson. While you found to the time to defend this fraud, why do you have a problem with Tyrone speaking out about this for years and give someone like Gerald free pass. I’m surprised that you didn’t approve with Tyrone’s answer to 1184 about what he would do to improve with the black community, which 1184 found to be a joke.
Allen-“The Detroit Police annually holds a no questions asked gun buyback in an attempt to remove guns from the streets of the city.”
And what is to stop for any criminal who did cash in their gun to buy another one out from the black market and to re-offend? I will purchase a gun to protect myself and my family. Lord forbid if anyone were to break into my home to threaten my family that I will have to use it. I’d rather be safe than sorry, thank you very much. Guns aren't the problem Allen, it's criminals who are getting them that is!
Allen-“No Big Pop... wrong answer. You've repeatedly stated that the NAACP, Sharpton, Jackson (the left wing black boogie men) don't care that blacks kill other blacks. Therefore, I proffer that "YOU" truly DID NOT care when the innocent children of Sandy Hook were killed. You are not outraged. You would rather support your gun rights than care about innocent children. The crazy part is that, I know I'm right!”
No Allen...you just don’t like my answer! I can say the exact same thing that you don’t care about innocent children at Sandy Hook or Columbine, and you will just get as defensive. Since you are a teacher, suppose if someone came into the school you teach at and started shooting at every student and faculty member, I would bet that you would pray that someone will take that shooter down (shoot them if they must) before he would get to you AND your students. That is why I believe that to secure the schools we must have armed, and well-trained security personnel. They have them across college campus’, so why not the public schools?
-BP
I have no idea of knowing if the person who made the comments is or is not a racist, but the comments themselves are racist indeed. The idea that race is a sole determining factor in what makes a neighborhood is absurd. Show me a community with strong civil engagement, good schools, a well run hospital, and a low unemployment rate and I will move there if the people are orange.
Big Pop;"So, what took him so long? Why is he not as persistent likeTyrone and other black conservatives who speak out about this? Every time some black conservative speak out about black-on-black violence, they get called all sorts of names, like Uncle Tom or sellout".
Big Pop, the more you write, the more you expose yourself as being tainted by right-wing political animus and smear tactics. Although I believe Jackson to be a political opportunist, that idea in itself does not negate the many efforts of his life. In his youth, Jackson was a confidant of MLK Jr. At the time he was a young brash charismatic organizer. Yet, like many others who get caught up in the bright lights of politics, Jackson too allowed American politics (along with money and power) to consume him.
But yet again, for you to accuse him of not being concerned about black on black crime is a pernicious and prejudicial assertion. Obviously you know absolutely nothing about Jackson other than the propagandized slurs you've been fed. So, since you think that "it's about time" he showed concern, allow me give you another instance of Jackson speaking out against black on black crime. How about 30 years ago?
1984 Jackson decries black on black crime.
If you like I'll go back to his beginnings with the Southern Christian Leadership... Conference...
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