Who will stand up to ISIS?
If I hear the words Allah Akbar one more time in a connection with crazed Muslims yelling that phrase while committing yet another terrorist attack, I am going to scream! ISIS just released a video of them marching 21 Egyptians Coptic Christians to ultimately behead them. Our limp wristed leader of the free world can care less that these horrific acts are being committed against Christians, even though he claims to be one. Obama only ever speaks out is when Islam is criticized, parish the thought. Let's see, Islam being criticized or people being beheaded, set on fire or killed in general by Muslims, gee, what's worse? Obama once referred to ISIS has the "Junior Varsity" team, Well it definitely looks like ISIS didn't get that message. Liberals referred to George Bush as a "reckless cowboy". Well as Islamic fanatics running wild in the Middle East and terrorizing Europe, were is the cowboys to come in and save the day? That role sure isn't reserved for Dear Leader Obama. I truly wish our country had a president who actually had some testicles to fight this evil. Unfortunately we were given a pitiful Socialist Community Organizer instead. Obama once called ISIS a "death cult". Well this supposed cult isn't killing off themselves like the followers of the Heaven Gate Cult or the followers of Jim Jones did, this so called death cult is on the march killing everybody who doesn't submit. Yeah those "airstrikes" truly have ISIS on the run. (sarcasm)
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 10:34 PM
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Have you heard the latest claims as to why ISIS is on a killing spree? According to State Department spokesperson Marie Harf, it's because there are no jobs and we shouldn't be killing them because of this. This woman must be on crack!
So, we should be awarding these butchers to prevent them from killing by giving them jobs? That's kind of like saying in order for sex offenders to stop raping women or molesting children we should give them jobs. Maybe we should give every criminal a job by working for the police department (sarcasm intended).
-BP
Yeah, I heard it. I'm going to try and have something up tomorrow on what Marie Harf said. For me to call her a clueless, ignorant,naive twit is putting it mildly!!! Ms Harf is a clear cut illustration of what an educated fool sounds like. Islamic terrorism has been around for more then a thousand years, but according to the intellectual brain trust Marie Harf, if the Islamic extremists just had jobs, everything would be Kumbaya! This twit must haven't known that Osama Bin Laden came from a wealthy family. I doubt the recruiting pitch by Islamic clerics is get rich by killing Jews and Christians.
Big Pop;"According to State Department spokesperson Marie Harf, it's because there are no jobs and we shouldn't be killing them because of this".
What you and Tyrone don't know Big Pop, is that Bush said the exact same thing. President Obama's critics are now attacking him for what Bush himself proclaimed when he started this whole mess.
"We will challenge the poverty and hopelessness and lack of education and failed governments that too often allow conditions that terrorists can seize and try to turn to their advantage.". GW Bush, 2002.
"Yet we know that this war will not be won by force of arms alone. We must defeat the terrorists on the battlefield and we must also defeat them in the battle of ideas.".
"We must change the conditions that allow terrorists to flourish and recruit by spreading the hope of freedom to millions who've never known it. We must help raise up the failing states and stagnant societies that provide fertile ground for the terrorists. We must defend and extend a vision of human dignity and opportunity and prosperity, a vision far stronger than the dark appeal of resentment and murder".
However, neither Bush nor Obama have ever said that, "we shouldn't be killing them." Both Presidents have taken, in my opinion, a wrong headed approach to the debacle that is the Middle-East.
CB;"This twit must haven't known that Osama Bin Laden came from a wealthy family. I doubt the recruiting pitch by Islamic clerics is get rich by killing Jews and Christians".
First off, Osama Bin Laden was a Saudi national, born and raised. As you are well aware the Saudi's are America's foremost and closest ally in the Middle-East.
Here is Reagan with a Bin Laden's relative.
Reagan said these gentlemen are the moral equivalent of the founding fathers.
Bush called Islam "the religion of peace."
I can go on and on with Republican presidents objective views of Islamic countries and how they relate to U.S. foreign policy. However, you won't find not a one that has openly declared that "Islam" is or should be a threat to the United States.
The fact is this. Either you believe that "all Muslims" are a threat to America, or you don't. If you believe that Islam is a threat there is no middle ground by saying "I have a Muslim friend whom I trust." That's like saying that you have a Nazi friend that you trust, or a KKK white supremacist that you trust. If you believe that Islam is a threat to America, how can you believe that followers of Islam are not?
Many conservatives are sending a disingenuous message. I see many conservatives tap dancing around their actual intents. They scream at the president about not "SAYING" what they themselves are thinking. If you don't like Muslims or their faith just say it!
CB;"Envolking the name of Bush was suppose to accomplish what again?.
It accomplishes exactly what I am "INVOKING." That being, YOU DID NOT KNOW THAT BUSH SAID THE SAME THING! That's why you wrote in your essay that it was, "Liberals who referred to George Bush as a reckless cowboy". You didn't refer to Bush as a "reckless cowboy", your idea was that "liberals" did. You had no idea that Bush wanted to "challenge lack of education and poverty" to prevent it from becoming a terrorist recruiting tool. You had no idea that Bush had forwarded the same idea that War on Terror would not be won by "force of arms alone." Levin, Limbaugh, Savage, Hannity, etc... won't tell you that. Your conservative instructors don't allow you to think, or know anything beyond what you're told.
CB;First off, I criticized Bush on his "Islam is a religion of peace" comment right after 911. So now points there".
Look Tyrone, if you had ever written an essay criticizing GW Bush and his comments about Islam, I must have missed it. If you have ever written an essay with a captioned picture showing Bush in Muslim garb, please post the essay and image. Why, because because I don't think you would ever dare question the "intent" of a Republicans foreign policy.
Allow me to show you how it's done.
I voted for President Obama believing that he would end both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. He didn't. I think he's made the most profound dim-witted foolish decision in keeping even ONE American soldier in the middle of that mess. I voted for President Obama. Yet I know that, like every president I've know before him, he "LIES" to the American people.
You see how easy and honest that was?
Clearly I am not a "War Hawk." This whole "War On Terror" has been stoked by the U.S. foolish military insertions into Middle-East affairs. Bush and Cheney's Iraq war created what's now known as ISIS. That is a FACT. There were no WMD's in Iraq. That is a FACT. Your conservative instructors don't want you to "understand" these FACTS.
There were more than a million Christians living along side Muslims in Iraq before the 2003 invasion. The persecution of the Christian population began soon after the American invasion. Yet, there was no "proportional" outcry against the be-headings, torture and religious attacks against Christians at that time. Your conservative instructors don't want you to "know" these FACTS.
lol, You are perpetrating your stereotype of conservatives into thinking that there is an "disingenous message". Sorry, but the vast right wing conspiracy cue doesn't have anything planned. Trust me I checked. What most conservatives want is 1. The Muslim extremists to be killed off 2. The non extremists to openly denounce the extremists and start dealing with them. What, don't tell me that you conservative decoder ring didn't pick that up allen. It must be broken. :-(
Yeah Ty, it is almost as bad as the black libtards fools and there white liberal masters whining about what Giuliani said. lol.
Giuliani is a racist because he said our beloved "black" president does not love America. WAH WAH WAH!!!!! lol. Libtard idiots. I tell you. Rudy gave them something to talk about. But I wonder, where were they when president Barry said W was unpatriotic? He said W was unpatriotic for taking out a credit card from the bank of China and running up the national debt for our children and grandchildren??? He said that is UNPATRIOTIC! A black U.S. Senator stood up and said said the POTUSA was UNPATRIOTIC! WOW! And the left was (crickets,crickets,crickets). Maybe because W was a white boy, so who cares that he was president!
Oh something running up debt is something Barry has clearly beaten Bush in at this point... And BIG TIME!!!
I mean look at the national debt now. And Barry could give two shits out it now because he is out in less than two years....
I actually think Rudy had a point, though. And I am not a big Rudy fan, but he said what I had been thinking about for the last year base on what this man has done. I asked myself, does this man like this country?
Only I would say Barry does not like America as she is now and that is why he wants to fundamentally transform her by the time he is done..... the best he can at least. Those evil damn Republicans are the only thing standing between Barry and this country being a European style socialist country the lib have wanted for a long, long time . So no libtards, we don't and may not get full-blown socialist because of those evil Republican in control of both houses. I actually think he wants more than that.....(cough, cough, one party 3rd world dictatorship. Somebody said if Barry had a country it would look just like Cuba. I say China..
But Barry said he has a magic pen and phone, and he has a coward GOP who is afraid of being called racist......so you never know what this man will try in the last 22/23 months or so.
I mean let's be real for a minute, who wants to fundamentally transform something that you truly love?? Just saying... He has a different vision of America and what this country should look like. But why the left pretend that they don't hate America and everything she stands for???
CB-"If I hear Allah Akbar one more time in connection with a crazed Muslim yelling that phrase while committing yet another terrorist attack, I am going to scream!"
I am getting sick and tired of those who make excuses and get so politically correct when it comes to dealing with radical Islam. The Obama administration wouldn't call it that, just as he called the Ft. Hood shooting and the beheading in Oklahoma, both that were committed by Muslims as being "workplace violence."
While there are those who speak out against radical Islam, they're labeled as an Islamaphobe. So, killing Christian and Jews is an exception? I've seen apologists try and make claims that there are too Christian terrorists here in the United States. Last I checked, I have not heard any reports of Christians beheading anyone. Even if there are Christian terrorists, they have no right to call themselves Christians to commit atrocities in the name of God.
-BP
Marcel;" But I wonder, where were they when president Barry said W was unpatriotic? ".
Even though "patriotism" is love for country (duuuh...), Giuliani didn't say that President Obama was "unpatriotic." He said that President Obama "does not love America, he doesn't love you, he doesn't love me." In his so-called clarification, Giuliani said he thinks that Obama is a patriot. (which is baffling and contradicts his previous assertion...)
Marcel;" He said W was unpatriotic for taking out a credit card from the bank of China and running up the national debt for our children and grandchildren".
A big difference Marcel. Giuliani could have said that President Obama's "policies or actions" were not patriotic. Have you ever did something upsetting a loved one? (a sibling, spouse or your children) What ever it is that upsets them, is it because you don't love them? Or is it that your "policy or actions" is what they don't like. When my son was a pre-teen/teenager, he would accuse me at times of not loving him. Of course I knew that he was just acting out, and attempting to draw my sympathies.
I would say that Giuliani is acting like a child. However, he's a politician, former mayor and a big boy. He knows exactly what he's saying and doing. Moreover, Giuliani knows that the definition of "patriotism" is love for country. He is attempting to hide his hatred for the "Black man in the White House."
Giuliani has always hated black liberals. He has a disdain for any black person who he thinks doesn't support his agenda. The fact is that Rudy Giuliani is a "true White Conservative." When I talk about "conservative instructors", Giuliani is one who believes he is.
However, I'm not calling Giuliani a racist. I just think that he hates black people that don't follow his agenda (ie; instructions).
Allen "Even though "patriotism" is love for country (duuuh...), Giuliani didn't say that President Obama was "unpatriotic." He said that President Obama "does not love America, he doesn't love you, he doesn't love me." In his so-called clarification, Giuliani said he thinks that Obama is a patriot. (which is baffling and contradicts his previous assertion...)"
I just knew you come out the wood work to spin, twist, and turn it so your guy, Obama, would be completely justified in what he said and it really was not that bad. I just knew it! To say someone did something that is unpatriotic is not really implying that they really are. LOL! Allen cheating and not paying his taxes last year was unpatriotic, according to VP Bit me Biden. But that does not mean you really are, just what your action was. LOL! Got it, Allen! But yeah, it does seem Giuliani back tracked just a little in the days after he said it. I guess the liberal media dump on him is now taking an effect on him somewhat…. He should have known better than to openly criticize the so called first “black president” about anything. Period. Plus he’s an old white male Republican, so he’s should have known that it would make him a racist. I know, I know. Giuliani should have known he’d be called a racist by the left. He should have known. Obama is a very special president and any attack on him is unfair, untrue, probably unproven, and/or probably racist…. I get it. He’s a great, infallible black president who deserves more respect! And the left said he is very smart and went to top notch schools (like other president have not. We just can’t see his grades to see how smart he really was. :( And George W. Bush? He was just a dumb, spoiled white boy; he was a C student who could not even talk right and was inarticulate as hell. What a loser – like Harry Reid called him! Got it Allen!
Allen: A big difference Marcel. Giuliani could have said that President Obama's "policies or actions" were not patriotic. Have you ever did something upsetting a loved one? (a sibling, spouse or your children) What ever it is that upsets them, is it because you don't love them? Or is it that your "policy or actions" is what they don't like. When my son was a pre-teen/teenager, he would accuse me at times of not loving him. Of course I knew that he was just acting out, and attempting to draw my sympathies. “
Even if he said Obama policies or actions were unpatriotic, he still get it from the media. It would have been no different. It would still be racist to say just that and you know it, Allen! Cut your BS!!! Giuliani is an old white Republican; he can’t criticize Obama without being labeled a racist! Again, he should have known that. If Giuliani would have said exactly what Obama said about Bush – verbatim – it would be worst! You think they are calling Rudy a racist now???, Oh man he would have been certified member of the Clan! You know, the organization that was formed by the Democrats. The same Clan Robert KKK Byrd was a part of. The same Byrd who Obama and many Democrats went to his funeral. lol. I digress…………
Allen: “I would say that Giuliani is acting like a child. However, he's a politician, former mayor and a big boy. He knows exactly what he's saying and doing. Moreover, Giuliani knows that the definition of "patriotism" is love for country. He is attempting to hide his hatred for the "Black man in the White House."
Yeah, yeah. Write me back when you can find some dumb white Democrat libs who act like dumb children, too, Allen. Want me to name some??? Problem is black libs like you don’t even seem to care about the racist ones in your party that slip up every once in a while. Smh…….
Look, I am not a big Giuliani fan, but I can understand why he said it. As far as your pathetic race baiting about a black man in the WH, he does not have to worry, Allen. The president has black people like you in the Democratic Party who give him unwavering support because he is the “first black man in the WH” according to you. So Barry does not have to worry when he has loyal black Democrats fighting and defending him every day because he as you have brought up many times, is the “black man in the WH.”
Too, bad you did not feel that way about the old white man in the WH 7 to 10 years ago. And too bad the so called first black president does not feel that way about blacks in America today. He knew he didn’t even have to work hard for your votes in 2008 and again in 2012(black votes). He was smart enough to know he did not have to. Black people like, Allen, could not wait to go vote for Barry. Barry knew this. So he turned his attention to gays and the group who will replace black’s significance in the party, Hispanics…. And illegal Hispanics immigrants at that, lol, wow! But I digress….
Harry Reid called W a loser in 2005..LOL! Now I know you and most liberals did not give two craps, but can you image if Rand Paul or Paul Ryan came out next week and call Obama a complete loser at this point in his presidency?? Wow! Those white men just might just have to get out of politics if he they did that. They would be the biggest disrespectful, racist the U.S. has ever seen. But anyway, Allen, keep pumping your fist for Obama because I know you are proud he is the untouchable and infallible black man in the WH. Black power to the black president in the WH!!!
Allen: “I would say that Giuliani is acting like a child. However, he's a politician, former mayor and a big boy. He knows exactly what he's saying and doing. Moreover, Giuliani knows that the definition of "patriotism" is love for country. He is attempting to hide his hatred for the "Black man in the White House."
Yeah, yeah. Write me back when you can find some dumb white Democrat libs who acts like dumb children, too, Allen. Want me to name some??? Problem is black libs like you don’t even seem to care about the racist ones in your party that slip up every once in a while. Smh……. Look, I am not a big Giuliani fan, but I can understand why he said it. As far as your pathetic race baiting about a black man in the WH, he does not have to worry, Allen. The president has black people like you in the Democratic Party who give him unwavering support because he is the “first black man in the WH” according to you. So Barry does not have to worry when he has loyal black Democrats fighting and defending him every day because he as you have brought up many times, is the “black man in the WH.”
Too, bad you did not feel that way about the old white man in the WH 7 to 10 years ago. And too bad the so called first black president does not feel that way about blacks in America today. He knew he didn’t even have to work hard for your votes in 2008 and again in 2012(black votes). He was smart enough to know he did not have to. Black people like, Allen, could not wait to go vote for Barry. Barry knew this. So he turned his attention to gays and the group who will replace black’s significance in the party, Hispanics…. And illegal Hispanics immigrants at that, lol, wow! But I digress….
Harry Reid called W a loser in 2005..LOL! Now I know you and most liberals did not give two craps, but can you image if Rand Paul or Paul Ryan came out next week and call Obama a complete loser at this point in his presidency?? Wow! Those white men just might just have to get out of politics if he they did that. They would be the biggest disrespectful, racist the U.S. has ever seen. But anyway, Allen, keep pumping your fist for Obama because I know you are proud he is the untouchable and infallible black man in the WH. Black power to the black president in the WH!!!
Allen” Giuliani has always hated black liberals. He has a disdain for any black person who he thinks doesn't support his agenda. The fact is that Rudy Giuliani is a "true White Conservative." When I talk about "conservative instructors", Giuliani is one who believes he is. “
Big shit even if he does hate black libs, Allen. I hate some of them myself sometimes so I feel him if he really does. LOL! Like Hillary said, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE, Allen?? I could find you a ton of closet phony racist white liberals, who you and most black liberals support, that hate black conservatives like Ben Carson and other black conservatives, right? You and other black liberals are such phonies and frauds when it comes to being concerned about white racism in politics. I mean it just gets so obvious and downright pathetic after a while.
I bet if a white liberal MSNBC media pundit or politician would come out next week and call Dr. Ben Carson a “dumb nigger”, you all(black libs) would not only be silence and give two craps about it, some black libs might even back the racist white liberal that said it!!!!
And as far as Rudy being a conservative, I don’t know if a lot of conservatives would agree on that. I don’t think Rudy, believe it or not, was the most right wing Republican. In fact, he might be to a far left guy like you, Allen, but he has been known to bend and be moderate on many issues that bother conservatives. Issues like immigration and abortion to just name two. Ask Tyrone; he will tell you more, I’m sure. So to just call Rudy conservative is not all that true. I think your main problem with Rudy is, like most black libs who love their black president because you see him as an AA, your butt hurt over his comments, so now he is a child, a black liberal hater , a RACIST, and etc…. Just admit it, you are just pissed he said something YOU don’t like about your beloved black president Barry. That’s it. Oh and I forgot, he is a white male Republican, Allen so that makes it 100 times worst!!!!!!
Allen: However, I'm not calling Giuliani a racist. I just think that he hates black people that don't follow his agenda (ie; instructions)."
Yeah, maybe you’re right. Who knows? Like I said before, I suspect that your main problem with Rudy is that he dare be a white male Republican speaking out against your beloved “black” president. And again, even if what you say is true, I could find plenty of white liberals who HATE, and I mean HATE, Dr. Ben Carson and plenty of other black conservatives…. Why?? Because just like you said what YOU think about Rudy with black libs, black conservatives don’t follow the far left progressive Democrat socialist “agenda”, and they don’t stay in their lane like most black liberals, and be good Democrats and be happy white liberals gave us the first black president, and they dare think for themselves and support anything BUT the progressive victimization narrative that most black liberals subscribe to. Like you said, their (instructions)…… I will not say Democrat slave plantation, lol. But you get the point......
p allen "t accomplishes exactly what I am "INVOKING." That being, YOU DID NOT KNOW THAT BUSH SAID THE SAME THING!"
You don't get it genius. I don't care that Bush said it. Why should I care that he said it? Did you truly think you would have exposed me or something saying it? Wow, you thought wrong on that one as you seen. Unlike you, I am not a hypocrite and a party hack. You hold the patents to that allen, wear them with pride!
p allen "That's why you wrote in your essay that it was, "Liberals who referred to George Bush as a reckless cowboy". You didn't refer to Bush as a "reckless cowboy", your idea was that "liberals" did."
Trying to make this about me in order to deflect away from your inability to defend against the truth I see, classic allen on display. If I saw Bush as a reckless cowoby, then I would have called him out as one. My track record in calling out Republicans is solid, can you say the same when it comes to calling out Democrats? Let me help you "crickets, crickets, crickets".
p allen "You had no idea that Bush wanted to "challenge lack of education and poverty" to prevent it from becoming a terrorist recruiting tool. "
You are right. I didn't know but here's the thing. I don't care. As I stated, stupid comments comes from people regardless of party affiliation. Thanks for bringing it to my attention that Bush said something similar to what Ms Harp said, now I can call them "BOTH" stupid.
p allen "You had no idea that Bush had forwarded the same idea that War on Terror would not be won by "force of arms alone." Levin, Limbaugh, Savage, Hannity, etc... won't tell you that."
I didn't need them to tell me that, because it wouldn't have mattered anyways. Again, I am not a party flunky. Look in the mirror for about 10 minutes. I've said before that Bush was a big government Republican not a conservatives. Don't play slow allen, you know I have a documented record of speaking out against Bush on many issues.
p allen "Your conservative instructors don't allow you to think, or know anything beyond what you're told. "
LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!!!!!!!! I have "conservative instructors". Wow, and here I thought they were merely conservatives commentators. Keep stretching allen, you'll eventually intellectually snap sooner rather then later.
p allen "
What you and Tyrone don't know Big Pop, is that Bush said the exact same thing. President Obama's critics are now attacking him for what Bush himself proclaimed when he started this whole mess. "
15 yard penalty for thinking we are hypocrites like you allen. Invoking the name of Bush was suppose to accomplish what again? First off, I criticized Bush on his "Islam is a religion of peace" comment right after 911. So now points there. I don't care if the person who makes a moronic statement has a D or R by his or her name, it's still a moronic comment none the less. What you demonstrated by posting the comments of Bush in trying to white was Islamic terrorism is that stupidity is political party neutral.
p allen "Many conservatives are sending a disingenuous message. I see many conservatives tap dancing around their actual intents. They scream at the president about not "SAYING" what they themselves are thinking. If you don't like Muslims or their faith just say it! "
lol, You are perpetrating your stereotype of conservatives into thinking that there is an "disingenuous message". Sorry, but the vast right wing conspiracy cue doesn't have anything planned. Trust me I checked. What most conservatives want is 1. The Muslim extremists to be killed off 2. The non extremists to openly denounce the extremists and start dealing with them. What, don't tell me that you conservative decoder ring didn't pick that up allen. It must be broken. :-(
Marcel" I mean let's be real for a minute, who wants to fundamentally transform something that you truly love?? Just saying... He has a different vision of America and what this country should look like. But why the left pretend that they don't hate America and everything she stands for???"
THANK YOU MARCEL!!!!!!!!!!
That is the 25,000 question liberals and the Obama ass kissers can't answer. They have been trying to take Rudy to the wood shed for what he said, but it's Obama's own words which Obama has never been asked to explain. He went to a racist cult of a church that was anti American which was headed up by a fake pastor who was clearly anti America. A person doesn't want to "fundamentally change" someone or something that they claim to love. It's just that simple. Hell,to even want to fundamentally change something or someone is to change it or his or her core nothing minor or superficial.
-BP "
While there are those who speak out against radical Islam, they're labeled as an Islamaphobe. So, killing Christian and Jews is an exception? I've seen apologists try and make claims that there are too Christian terrorists here in the United States. Last I checked, I have not heard any reports of Christians beheading anyone. Even if there are Christian terrorists, they have no right to call themselves Christians to commit atrocities in the name of God. "
Because liberals are two faced, hypocrites and fakes BP. Only a fool would bite their tongue and not speak out against the violent acts of Islamic Extremists out of fear or being labeled an "Islamophobe". The people who call others that have zero, ziltch, nada credibility to begin with. I've notice also that the left is quick to break their neck in criticizing us for stating the obvious about Islamist, yet they are silent as a church mouse in speaking out on the obvious on the acts of Islamist against Christians and Jews and "Infidels" in general. Again, they are non credible to call anyone anything.
Marcel;"To say someone did something that is unpatriotic is not really implying that they really are. LOL! Allen cheating and not paying his taxes last year was unpatriotic, according to VP Bit me Biden".
If I say that you're "unpatriotic" for not paying taxes, do I really mean that you don't love America? There are hundreds perhaps thousands of American millionaires and billionaires who find ways not to pay taxes. Does that mean that they don't love the country (America) where they live? Or does it mean that they just don't want to pay the taxes?
This is what Giuliani said;
"President Obama does not love America, he doesn't love you, he doesn't love me".
He didn't say that President Obama was unpatriotic because he doesn't pay his taxes. He didn't say that he was unpatriotic because he ran up the national debt. He didn't say that Obama didn't like baseball, hot dogs and apple pie. Giuliani said that the President of the United States does not love the country of which he is president. Giuliani said that he did not love the people of this country (you and me).
Moreover, in a veiled attempt to "walk it back", Giuliani said, in his own words on national television that he believed that President Obama was a patriot? Total BULL$!@%!!!
Giuliani hates that a "Black man occupies the White House!" Period! Giuliani hates liberal Blacks. He hates Blacks that don't conform to his style of politics. That's why he "imagines" that the President of the United States hates his own country. Face the facts dude and understand that Rudy Giuliani hates liberal and progressive blacks.
Rudy is a spokesperson for the conservative right. Black conservatives buy into his rhetoric because you're told to do so.
How dumb and asinine is it to hear a black man state that "Barack Obama is the most racist and divisive president in American history." Really? How stupid can you be to buy into such foolishness? In an attempt to please the conservative instructor, you don't even stop to use your brain to realize that several presidents actually OWNED SLAVES! Two of these presidents actually owned slaves while sitting as president. Some black conservatives are even stupid enough to repeat the racist rhetoric of LBJ, and still claim that President Obama is a racist. Just plain stupid!
The conservative talking heads puts all these bird-brain assertions into you heads and black conservatives just lap it up. Giuliani gave two completely contradictory statements. Behind closed doors he told conservative followers exactly what they wanted to hear. Yet, when questioned about the President "not loving the country" he attempted to turn his rhetoric into an acceptable political attack. I'm not buying it. Giuliani hates a "Black man in the White House."
Marcel;"Too, bad you did not feel that way about the old white man in the WH 7 to 10 years ago. And too bad the so called first black president does not feel that way about blacks in America today".
I've voted for at least 5 white guys for president. But guess what Marcel. I did so on my own accord. I didn't need divisive rhetoric nor racial, religious or class rhetoric to make my decision. Although, I can assure you this. As long as conservatives like Rudy Giuliani are power players in the Republican party, you'll always have to vote for an "old white guy" for president.
"This whole "War On Terror" has been stoked by the U.S. foolish military insertions into Middle-East affairs."
Agreed, but as far as I am concerned and what real history says both parties are responsible for this mess. After all, war is for the health of the State and I for one am glad to see some folks are starting to see war for what it truly is. It's a racket. Still, too many people are still under the false pretense of "they" attacking us. Who is they and why would they attack us other then the Government meddling around the world pissing everyone else off spreading "Democracy and Freedom" around the world. Yeah, right! For one it astounds me that there are still people that fall for that and two democracy and freedom in the same sentence are contradictions, that for another time. Thanks to you tube and independent media, war is slowly loosing it's ground but not fast enough.
I hope in the near future, that there would be no longer a need for war any more.
Allen: “As long as conservatives like Rudy Giuliani are power players in the Republican party, you'll always have to vote for an "old white guy" for president.”
LOL!!! Oooooh Allen. You want to talk old white men in party to vote for?? You really want to go there? You know you really should not throw rocks from the torn up glass “hood”…. I mean house, out there in the mean streets of Detroit. I’m just saying! And who are the Democrats powers players from 2016??? TWO OLD, "WHITE" HAGS, and one dumb, old white dude who is going to need new hair plugs next year should he choose to run?? And let me tell you something Allen, those hags are OLD AND WHITE!!! Presumed front runner, Hillary Clinton, is damn near 70! She will be 68 years old and 2016. She is currently busy dealing with why the hell was her dumb, pervert husband was hanging out on sex slave island…. Lol. She has to figure out what that dirty old, pervert of a husband was doing out there… You know, the late great Democrat president. He did not learn his lesson?? Of course not. And why should have he. You clowns would still vote to put him back in the WH anyway, so like Hillary would say, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE??!! So who is the other old hag? Elizabeth “the socialist” Warren :) AKA Fakeocahontas. That old hag is 65!!!
Damn, Allen. Ok and who is next? Current VP Joe Bite Me is? How old is he going to be?? That clown is going to be 73 next year old!!!! So the Dems have 3 old white folks as there leading candidates next and you talk about old white men for the GOP to vote for. LOL! And no offensive, Allen but those two “hags” are not just old and white, they are FUCK UGLY!!! I’m sorry! Excuse my French… And don’t worry about Plugs Bite Me, I want him to keep talking. He is like the Dan Quayle of our times, only Bite me is Democrat, so a lot of his dumb gaffes get a pass from the media. Maybe he will get some more hair plugs for 2016, Allen? I know Clinton is probably had or is going to have some plastic surgeries, too, and her make-up has to be tight cause the bitch is old now, dude. Warren is not far behind at 65. Just saying….
But wait, I got an idea for you about another Democrat, Allen!!! You want to vote for another black man again, right, Allen!!!! Right???? I got you! Come on, don’t act like you don’t want to, Allen. You want your son to see another black man as president, right? How about Deval Patrick!!! You think that clown might run? He said no, but maybe he will change his mind… Let’s see if white liberal party leaders will allow that again, Allen. I doubt it. Maybe Julian Castro since Hispanics are the new favor of the years to come for white liberals.. I thought it was funny when president Barry trolled conservatives last year when he said, “I think Deval Patrick would make a great president!” Don’t get excited, Allen! The president knows after what he has done Patrick will not happen. He was just being an asshole and was trolling right-wingers. lol.
So you are stuck with 3 old white politicians, Allen. You have TWO OLD, UGLY HAGS in Clinton and Warren, and a 73 year old current VP who will need new hair plugs. LOL. So there are plenty of old “white men” and women to go around and vote for in both parties. And I just can’t see white liberals giving you another black candidate, Allen, so Gov. Patrick is off. :( They would probably go with Castro or get really bold and got with some Gay candidate before another black candidate anyway….. Black people in the Democratic party are old news now, Allen. Too bad you don’t realize that. You just do what you’re told, and go vote for the Ds. Hispanics and Gays are the new flavor and they are what matter to the party now, not blacks. You will see soon enough if you are still in denial – soon enough.
Allen “I've voted for at least 5 white guys for president. But guess what Marcel. I did so on my own accord. I didn't need divisive rhetoric nor racial, religious or class rhetoric to make my decision. Although, I can assure you this. As long as conservatives like Rudy Giuliani are power players in the Republican party, you'll always have to vote for an "old white guy" for president.”
There you go again, Allen. You just don’t stop and I love it. Do you really want to go there and make yourself look like a fool again? Do you really??? So you voted for 5 white men in the past that were Democrats? LOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOL! Of course you did silly, billy. YOU DID NOT HAVE A CHOICE!!! LOL! What choice did you have until 2008??? How could you state such a dumb thing, Allen? Oh wait, I just thought about something as I wrote this. America’s number one race hustler briefly jumped in the 2004 Democratic primary. I almost forgot. He was fresh out of jail from Puerto Rico, too, I think. Now Al did not last long at all; he was in and out from what I remember. I mean a racist race bating clown like him could not have been serious. But you get not points for not voting for Al since he was in and out very quickly. Like I said, he did not last long and it was just the primary and he was in and out like the buffoon he is.
But I am still wondering how Obama got out the Democratic primary and defeated the mighty Clinton machine, Allen. It amazes me that a lot of blacks abandoned Clinton, whose votes she knew she had in the bag, went for an unknown (BLACK) U.S. Senator from Chicago that came out of know where. I wonder what it was about him…. As Tavis Smiley pointed out, most blacks did not even know who Barry was or that he was in the race until he won the Iowa caucus. I wonder what it was about Barry. Yeah, I know what it was and you do, too, Allen. But go ahead and play dumb.
I voted for 5 white Democrats, says Allen!!! Yay!!! Of course you did. What other choices did the white liberal elite and establishment give you, before Barry, Allen???
Allen: “The conservative talking heads puts all these bird-brain assertions into you heads and black conservatives just lap it up. Giuliani gave two completely contradictory statements. Behind closed doors he told conservative followers exactly what they wanted to hear. Yet, when questioned about the President "not loving the country" he attempted to turn his rhetoric into an acceptable political attack. I'm not buying it. Giuliani hates a "Black man in the White House."
Oh so what, Allen. Stop being a big cry baby about a man speaking against your beloved black president who does not even give a damn about you, Allen. I mean really. This is getting ridiculous that you even still defend this man with passion! Who cares? Wah, Wah, Wah, Wah!!!! They disrespected my beloved black president. Spike Lee was right, he is black Jesus. You thing this is bad? Wait until and if Dr. Ben Carson runs… I am telling you, you heard it here first; some white liberal is going to slip up and call him the N word. LOL! That's what they really thing about you too, Allen. But Allen will not care.
You expose yourself for your fake outrage over white racism every time. The only white racism you care about is when it is against Obama and some other black liberal from the other side. Say what you want about the GOP. Trash them all day. Dude I could care less. I am not in the GOP. I did used to be a Democrat for 12 to 13 yrs before I left the party in 2009, shortly after Barry took office. Again, I am registered unaffiliated. (Dems got rid of the independent party in my state) I lean heavy to the right on a number of issues, but there some core issue, black conservatives and conservatives will disown me. That’s what I love about it, Allen.
See, unlike you, I am not a party hack or lackey.
Allen: “In an attempt to please the conservative instructor, you don't even stop to use your brain to realize that several presidents actually OWNED SLAVES! Two of these presidents actually owned slaves while sitting as president. Some black conservatives are even stupid enough to repeat the racist rhetoric of LBJ, and still claim that President Obama is a racist. Just plain stupid!”
What the hell does slavery or several presidents owning slaves have to do with this, Allen?? Are you serious?? Do you really want to switch gears now and talk about slavery? Hey Allen, when it comes to slavery you should stop while you are ahead because if we are going to talk slavery and who own slaves and who didn’t own them, it is not going to get good for you as black liberal. Why? Because with me we are going to take a more comprehensive look at slavery and who owned black slaves in the U.S. Not just the parts of American slavery liberals want to talk about and bring up and the myths that are created about how blacks got here. Slavery in America was a horrible thing dude, no question, but there was a lot more than just evil white people involved, dude. A black liberal college professor at Morgan State University even told me that over 10 years ago – and she was a Bush bashing liberal!
Maybe you didn’t learn that in school and you were brought up to blame African slavery all on whitey, and that is cool, but I can help you out if need be. Now maybe that is what you hate about America, Allen. Maybe it is starting come out. Just be man enough to say it! But if we are going to talk slavery, then let’s talk about everyone who owned slaves in America…EVERYONE….
And let’s also talk about that transatlantic slave trade and who really made it possible for blacks to be brought here and be owned by the 6% of wealthy white men in the South. It would shock may black people if they knew the truth! The real story the movie Roots (a phony lie of a movie, BTW, written by a man who plagiarized the story) didn't tell black America. We can also look at why black African people are still slaves in Africa TODAY to Arab Muslims and the Left and black Left is silent about it. And how about how black Africans have always been slaves to Arab (MUSLIMS) in the Middle East and North Africa. You will never hear Farrakhan mention this either….. So we can talk slavery in America and slavery, Allen.
And as far as LBJ…. Really Allen? Did you get yourself so upset you forgot about LBJ’s history? You’re right LBJ was a racist from waay back in the day - before he became president; he called his driver a “nigger” everyday….but so do black men and America, but… Let’s not conveniently forget, Allen, the racist LBJ you speak of was a DEMOCRAT! He was part of your party! Your current party owns him and his history; you deal with him. His racist rhetoric you speak of belongs to the history of your party – the same party whose founding members were KKK – the Democrats!!! And don’t hand me the BS about that was the old Democrats and the racist left the party. LBJ is your party’s history! The same stupid party I was dumb enough to be a part of at one time… Deal with him! Nice try, though….
Allen" How dumb and asinine is it to hear a black man state that "Barack Obama is the most racist and divisive president in American history." Really? How stupid can you be to buy into such foolishness? In an attempt to please the conservative instructor, you don't even stop to use your brain to realize that several presidents actually OWNED SLAVES! Two of these presidents actually owned slaves while sitting as president. Some black conservatives are even stupid enough to repeat the racist rhetoric of LBJ, and still claim that President Obama is a racist. Just plain stupid!"
Say What? You say it is stupid to for any black man to say Barry is the most racist and divisive president in American History? Ok. First of all I never said that. Copy and paste where I said that!!! But for the blacks that would say that, what is wrong with them to you again? You love your president because he is black right, Allen? You are just too much of coward to just say it! So let me get this straight. Blacks need to sit down, shut up, don’t criticize Barry, and if you say thinks like he is divisive or racist, that makes you stupid. WOW! So blacks should worship Barry like Allen does, and be grateful for him because he is black, and don’t say anything disrespectful about him because if you break any of Allen’s Obama rules for blacks, YOU ARE A STUPID black conservative.
Here is the problem with that, Allen, and here is how you are just and big phony fraud.. Would you be willing to say that about Ben Carson and blacks that disparage him, calling all kinds of names because they don’t like his views?? Of course you would not. :) YOU are just another loyal Obama Democrat lackey. You would jump off of building if Obama told blacks to do so, and the blacks that would not do it would be label all the things you said. You worship Obama like white conservatives worship Ronald Regan. Pathetic! And you know what is worst? Barry has not done anything specifically for the black community while he has been in office. No, he does not hate you; he just does not love you as much as you love him Allen. He just does not respect you as much as you respect him. And please PLEASE don't be stupid enough to bring up the dumb My Brother’s Keeper BS??? I hope not.
Pssssss If you notice that was not just for black boys… He did not have the balls to do that Allen. He had to throw in Latino/Hispanic boys, too, because he is too much of a coward to come out with a program for black men only…. lol.
You see Barry's not willing to stick his neck out there for your son, Allen, the way he is for Maria and Jose’s son…… Yeah, that's right. Barry looks white American dead in the face and tells them what he plans to do for Hispanics and even Gays. Not for you and your son, Allen. lol. But I don’t blame him. Why should he when he knows blacks like, Allen, will run to the polls and vote for him and the Democrats again without him even working for your vote. You would probably vote for President Barry a 3rd term if it was possible he could run again and he did. Good job, Allen. I know you love your “black” president. And I know, I know. He loves you too, he just can’t show it, right? Is that the excuse?? Hispanics and gays are demanding more TOMORROW and they his attention right anyway…. And black people like P Allen’s type is just happy he did My Brother’s Keeper (a website for black and HISPANIC YOUTH) and mentioned Trayvon Martin. LOL.
Pssss, BTW, about that MBK program.... The website was set up and forget for Barry. I’d be willing to bet he as not even looked at site since they announced it... He has moved on and so did the media with that BS.
P Allen: "Giuliani hates that a "Black man occupies the White House!" Period! Giuliani hates liberal Blacks. He hates Blacks that don't conform to his style of politics. That's why he "imagines" that the President of the United States hates his own country. Face the facts dude and understand that Rudy Giuliani hates liberal and progressive blacks. "
No dude, you face your own P. Allen’s facts for selective, fake black liberal outrage. YOU hate white conservative and Republicans as well, so why be a cry baby when you get it right back with your guy (Barry)???
It is the same way Barry imaged Bush was UNPATRIOTIC for doing the same damn thing he has done now - and much worst! WOW!
Again, when Herman Cain ran for President he got a lot of HATE from black libs.. Dr. Carson comes out and speaks against the president and what happens? He gets HATE from white liberals as well. And YOU could give two shits!!! I wonder why??? Because Dr. Carson and Herman Cain think in a way that they are not supposed to. Or as you would say Allen, maybe Cain and Carson don't conform to THE LEFT WING style of politics…. Lol. I can throw it all back at you because, again, your outrage is FAKE!!!
You really don’t give a damn about white racism, Allen. You are just a liberal Democratic hack who just hates anything white conservative and/or a Republican says or does. You have NO defensive or real argument other then just try to shut down the debate by just saying RACIST when you don't like what the opposition says. You are the one that HATES! That's it. Period! It's old and tried. At least come up with something else! I tell you what, Allen, deal with fake racist white liberals in your party who pretend they love and care about you so much all they do is throw you a bone during election time. Then maybe you will have some credible in calling any white person a RACIST. lol. Go black people, go! Run and go pick it up that bone for the Democrats because as VP Joe Bite Me said, CHAINS!!!!. They going put y'all back in chains! And then after the election the white liberals can pat you on your head and tell you you are still a poor black victim in America because of the GOP.
P Allen: "Rudy is a spokesperson for the conservative right. Black conservatives buy into his rhetoric because you're told to do so."
Yeah, yeah, Allen. Whatever. I am sorry you are soooooo upset at Rudy. Awwww. Now Rudy is the spokesperson for black conservatives you say. LOL. Is that the best you got? You don’t even really believe that. Hey Tyrone, Rudy had a secret meeting with black conservatives and sold them his rhetoric for money!!! LOL! Did you get the memo and miss the meeting, Tyrone?? Keep trolling, Allen; it’s what you do best on this blog!
P Allen: This is what Giuliani said; "President Obama does not love America, he doesn't love you, he doesn't love me".
He didn't say that President Obama was unpatriotic because he doesn't pay his taxes. He didn't say that he was unpatriotic because he ran up the national debt. He didn't say that Obama didn't like baseball, hot dogs and apple pie. Giuliani said that the President of the United States does not love the country of which he is president. Giuliani said that he did not love the people of this country (you and me). "
I used the taxes as an example of what Obama said about Bush. Barry was calling Bush UNPATRIOTIC – PERIOD! It was an insult from a very arrogant, big mouth, rookie U.S. Senator that was showing his ass off and grandstanding at a private Democrat event. He was being an ass and knew he running for president then. The point is YOU don’t care because YOU are hypocrite who does not give a damn other than taking up for and defending your guy. But as far as your last question, I told you before, go back and reread what I wrote. I do not think Giuliani was far off in what he said at all... I said that and I stand by it. You sir are just another butt hurt black liberal who is mad that any white man, especially a white male Republican, said something about your black president who you love so much because he is black. Wah Wah Wah!!! Poor Allen and black liberals. You will get over in and move on in month. You guys are frauds and showing FAKE outrage anyway. You only care about white racism when it is against your guy, from the other party. White liberals could say Dr. Carson is dumb nigger and you all would not care less and some of you would even endorse it because you also hate black conservatives like Carson and Cain, who like you said, don’t follow their instructions…. Your outrage is fake, Allen. Move one like Move On DOT ORG.
Allen: “If I say that you're "unpatriotic" for not paying taxes, do I really mean that you don't love America? There are hundreds perhaps thousands of American millionaires and billionaires who find ways not to pay taxes. Does that mean that they don't love the country (America) where they live? Or does it mean that they just don't want to pay the taxes?”
Huuum, you might be on to something there. Maybe dumb VP Bite Me Biden is dumber than we initially thought. Why would he say such a thing then? I agree what dumb ass would say not wanting to pay taxes, or higher taxes is UNPATRIOTIC??? What dumb ass would even imply??? Oh, I know who. It must be good Joe put his foot in his mouth Bit Me Biden…….. Maybe you should have asked that question to yourself when VP Bite Me said it. But you did not because it was Joe Bite Me – a white liberal Democrat that said it.
Marcel responding to allen "Oh so what, Allen. Stop being a big cry baby about a man speaking against your beloved black president who does not even give a damn about you, Allen"
lol, no matter what this guy does Marcel, the true believers like allen will loyally go down with Obama's ship still claiming he was the best thing to ever happen since peanut butter and jelly. This whole fake outrage by the left over what Rudy said is so dam funny!!!! I don't remember the left nor allen criticizing their hero when he that it was "unpatriotic that the national debt doubled under Bush. A person can't be unpatriotic and still love their country. Hell, using Obama's own words, then he himself must be "unpatriotic" because the debt under him has far surpassed that of even Bush and all the other presidents combined.
P Allen: "Giuliani hates that a "Black man occupies the White House!" Period! "
And you pass that laughable and absurd statement on what allen? The fact that Gulliani is "typical right wing extremist racist republican" or that fact that "everybody has to love Obama or if not the only reason not to like him is that they are racist"? Which one is it? Make me laugh. I believe Obama hates this country, so am I also racist and don't want to see a black man in the WH? Your comment just tested a new boundaries for stupidity. I expected a progressive loon to think that but not you.
p allen "Giuliani hates liberal Blacks. He hates Blacks that don't conform to his style of politics."
NO DUH!!!! And liberals hate conservative blacks who don't conform to their politics. So are you saying that it's racist that liberals hate, dislike or disagree with blacks who don't conform to their politics? If not then how can you apply that standard to Giuliani then? We all know how liberals feel about blacks who aren't "on their side" based on the names by the left they are called.
p allen "That's why he "imagines" that the President of the United States hates his own country."
Ah no. Obama said 3 days before the election. "We are three days away from FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORMING AMERICA". Pop Quiz, if Obama loved America for what it is and what it stand for, why would he in a celebratory manner state that he was going to "FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE" America? His words, not mine. Oh by the way allen. To "fundamentally" change something means to change it at it's "core". So what did you Dear Leader mean by his words?
p allen "Face the facts dude and understand that Rudy Giuliani hates liberal and progressive blacks. "
And face the facts allen that liberals also hate conservative blacks, but does that make them racists also?
Eddie "Agreed, but as far as I am concerned and what real history says both parties are responsible for this mess. After all, war is for the health of the State and I for one am glad to see some folks are starting to see war for what it truly is. It's a racket."
The two party system has been corrupt for awhile now. That is why people refer the the Democrats and the Republicans as the Republicrats and Democans. It's becoming harder and harder to discover where one party begins and the others ends. Both want amnesty, both are for big spending, neither can care less about the national debt. And a percentage from both parties have been in Congress and the Senate going back to the 70's and 80's.
Marcel;"You want to vote for another black man again, right, Allen!!!! Right???? I got you!".
Wrong! As I stated, I've voted for "old white guys" before. As a matter of fact use your Google skills and look up the present mayor of Detroit. I voted for him too...
Marcel;"I bet if a white liberal MSNBC media pundit or politician would come out next week and call Dr. Ben Carson a “dumb nigger”, you all(black libs) would not only be silence and give two craps about it, some black libs might even back the racist white liberal that said it".
A white "liberal" doesn't need to call Carson a nigger. There are plenty of white people (with racist hateful intent) in this country that already do call him a nigger, and worse. Hell, President Obama has been called nigger and worse, so what else is new...
However, Rudy Giuliani is a former mayor of a major city and a prominent political figure. He openly hates black liberals. He doesn't have to call Dr. Carson or President Obama a "nigger." You and I know that he already thinks it.
Marcel;"Say What? You say it is stupid to for any black man to say Barry is the most racist and divisive president in American History? Ok. First of all I never said that".
I didn't say "you" said it. I'm saying that it has been said.
The point is this- Many on the right have made claim that President Obama is the "most racially divisive, and racist president in American history." As a black man Marcel, (that is if you're black) use your brain and think it through. There were presidents who owned slaves. Were they "NOT RACIST?" There were presidents who used racist terms while in office. Were they not racist?
Presidents Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover refused to endorse anything related to civil rights. As president Harding continued Wilson's policies of federal segregation. Coolidge condoned the Republican idea of a "lily white" party, and said that the federal government should not interfere in race issues.
Yet, how can a black man buy into the idea that Barack Obama is the most racist and divisive president in history? My point is that, political rhetoric has it's limits. Mind you, both liberals and conservatives use political rhetoric (from the sublime to the ridiculous) to attack their opponents. However, how ignorant, naive and downright stupid can one be to agree that Barack Obama harbors worse racist intent than most of his predecessors.
The assertion makes absolutely no sense. With previous presidents openly supporting segregation, openly denying blacks civil rights, and openly making racist statements against blacks, how can Obama be "the most racist" when Obama has done nothing of the sort? Therefore, the assertion is disingenuous and duplicitous. If you're that ignorant to fall for such foolishness, then you are indeed what Rudy Giuliani and those of his ilk wants you to be.
Allen: “I didn't say "you" said it. I'm saying that it has been said. The point is this- Many on the right have made claim that President Obama is the "most racially divisive, and racist president in American history." As a black man Marcel, (that is if you're black) use your brain and think it through. There were presidents who owned slaves. Were they "NOT RACIST?" There were presidents who used racist terms while in office. Were they not racist? The assertion makes absolutely no sense. With previous presidents openly supporting segregation, openly denying blacks civil rights, and openly making racist statements against blacks, how can Obama be "the most racist" when Obama has done nothing of the sort? Therefore, the assertion is disingenuous and duplicitous. If you're that ignorant to fall for such foolishness, then you are indeed what Rudy Giuliani and those of his ilk wants you to be.”
I don’t think Barry is racist against blacks if that is your issue or fake outrage. And who said Barry harbors worst racist intent than his DEMOCRAT predecessor, Woodrow Wilson… Who said that??? Give me a link where someone said just that…
But yeah, that would be dumb to say. Now white people are a different story, Allen. I don’t know, man. He has said a lot of thinks that makes me think he has issues with white people in America. Or maybe it is just white conservatives and Republicans, Allen! I know he is half white, but remember this is the same man who threw his grandmother over the bus…
But I do think he does NOT have a lot of respect for American blacks, though. I think he knows a lot of blacks supported and still support him no matter what because they perceive him as “black”, and he clearly has taken that for granted, like most Democrats of course. So all and all, I don’t think he really gives a damn about the so called black community one way or the other. But to say he is “racist” against blacks is going too far. Now white people might be a different story though……. And Barry has made it clear he has issue with white American in the past. But if there is a conservative black that says he is “racist” against blacks, I don’t agree. And I will say what I said again, Allen, Barry clearly, CLEARLY does not love you as much as you love him. All Barry wanted from the black community from day one is what he got, VOTES. And he got more of it than any other president in American history. He also did the impossible and defeated the Clinton machine in 2008, largely because of the many upon many blacks in the Democrats party who changed their support for Clinton to him. Tavis Smiley pointed out that this began after he won the Iowa caucus. Note: the Latino vote, for the overall the most part, stayed with Clinton in the primary. But blacks turned on Clinton and got behind this man they had never heard of before, with a weird name and voted for the black man they thought was going to give them stuff should he have won the general. Now that Barry got what he wanted from blacks, blacks are not a big deal to him anymore. His main focus, for the future of the Democratic Party is Latinos/Hispanics and Gays. There may not be a lot of Gays in comparison to blacks and Hispanics, but Barry and the Dems like that LGBT money, baby! And LGBTs can get a lot of votes out in certain areas and get be people who sympathize with them and what they want. Unlike dumb blacks, these groups are smart and are actually making the president and his party WORK and WORK HARD for their votes!!! Any black person who cannot see that is as stupid as you say people who call Barry a racist against blacks are. It is their (Hispanics and LGBT) time now in the country and in the Democratic Socialist Party of America. Yeah, I said that. It is their time now.
Allen: “A white "liberal" doesn't need to call Carson a nigger. There are plenty of white people (with racist hateful intent) in this country that already do call him a nigger, and worse. Hell, President Obama has been called nigger and worse, so what else is new...
However, Rudy Giuliani is a former mayor of a major city and a prominent political figure. He openly hates black liberals. He doesn't have to call Dr. Carson or President Obama a "nigger." You and I know that he already thinks it.”
Yeah, okay. Wait until he runs next year. Watch the hate he gets from white liberals and their black liberal pets who will be ready for their, as you said, “instructions”. So if you don’t care what they call Dr. Carson and what they called Cain, then why make a big deal out of what they call Barry??? Oh I know why, like I said before, it is your FAKE outrage on white racism! You only care when they call a black liberal, or in the president’s case, a biracial man, who YOU like, and who happens to be a liberal Democrat president, you care then! But when white liberals call black conservatives names…..oh big deal to Allen. lol. I don’t like Dr. Carson anyway because he is tool for white conservatives, right Allen? Translation: Allen, personally, does not like what Dr. Carson says(his politics) because he stepped out of our line and is not thinking the way he should be as a black person. Yep. So you prove my point. Your outrage over white racism is FAKE, Allen! You only care about it when it is thrown at your guys – the biracial president they call Obama or some other black lib that comes on TV like Dyson or Lamont Hill as examples. These black liberal clowns can go on CNN or MSLSD and trash white Republicans and conservatives and call them racist, but you will not hear Allen say, Dr. Eric Dyson HATES and I HATES white conservatives! And it is so obvious he does, BTW. Or wait, you want a black politician, Allen??? Huh? Is that what you want??? I will give you one..or two! Or maybe a whole caucus.
I could say Congressman Elijah Cummings hates white conservatives! He hates them! He goes on MSLSD and talks trash about the Tea Party and the right all the time. The sexist pig, Ed Schultz, and Chris “thrill up my leg” Matthews”, has the Cummings jerk on all the time to talk about the “right-wing” and the Tea Party! Why doesn’t Cummings just be a man and come out the closet and call them a bunch of poor white crackers, Allen???!!! Well his old buddy, Charlie Rangle did just that. Rangle called the Tea Party “white crackers”. The racist, senile old fool, Rangle, later said he thought it was compliment to call them white crackers, Allen! Unlike Cummings, and from what you think about Rudy, at least Rangle had balls……. before he gave his halfhearted apology. lol.
BTW, Allen… in case you conveniently forgot, being the typical black liberal hypocrite you are, Charlie Rangle is “prominent political figure” and he totally got away with that one. And not a peep from you, the liberal media, you’re your liberal buddies. Go figure!
Maybe your next excuse will be well, Marcel, we know Rangle is prominent political figure, but he is just a senile old fool. Yeah, I’d add a senile, old racist idiot who hates white conservatives so much so he actually called them “crackers”! Wow. We know this. Right. Problem is Rudy never called any black conservative a name! If he did, prove it; give me a link!
You just don’t like him because he kicked the clown Eric Dyson’s ass on national TV about black crime, and you are still even more butt hurt over his comments about Obama not loving America… lol.
Allen: However, Rudy Giuliani is a former mayor of a major city and a prominent political figure. He openly hates black liberals. He doesn't have to call Dr. Carson or President Obama a "nigger." You and I know that he already thinks it.”
CONT:
Who said he hates black liberals? Butt hurt, black liberal, Allen? Because, Allen, personally, is upset because of what he said about his beloved black president. Awwwww.
I will say it over and over again until you get it. It makes no difference if Giuliana does hate black conservatives because I can find you plenty of white liberal Democrats politicians who HATE black conservatives…… Big shit.
Again, you are just butt hurt because of what he said. Get over it, dude. Oh, I know what else it is! You must also hate how Giuliani made a fool out your boy, the idiot, Eric Dyson….. LOL. Dyson’s only response(AFTER THE SHOW AND ONLINE LIKE THE COWARD HE IS) was that Giuliana is racist and black men who kill black people go to jail. Dyson grandstanded as he always does and got his big mouthed, ass kicked on national TV, and he could only call names online after the show was over because he lost the argument! Not only was he wrong about what he said in that black men who commit murder go to jail, he made himself look lame idiot, whose only defense, like most black liberals, who are losing or lost an argument, claim racism. Black men who commit murder in the black community DO NOT always go to jail, Allen! You live in Detroit and you know they do not! In fact, a lot of times, even if they do, they get right out and that is why you get more of it – the killings. Dyson is an idiot! But I digress. ##BLACKLIVESMATTERMYASS
Black lives only matter when a “white” police officer or a white person in general takes it. And guess what? Do you even know how many blacks were killed by whites last year? Go look it up. And once you do, then go look at that verse how many whites were killed by blacks. Interracial crimes stats is path you don’t want to take, Allen. Eric Holder’s Justice Department stats are not on your side. So you black liberals should leave interracial crime alone for a long while. Believe me, you will not win that battle, Allen. That's when you guys get desperate and bring up slavery and Jim Crow to justify the black on white crime.
Stick to your white America is so racist stuff and blacks can’t do anything because of racist, white conservatives holding us down, wah, wah, wah stuff, dude. If you all worried as much about the black murderers and finding them and bringing them to justice as you did supposed racist white folks, the community many be in somewhat better shape today, somewhat…….. You want cameras on police officers, fine. I have no problem with that. That would put people Al Sharpton out commission once we really saw what St. Michael Brown did. But you all don’t have the same courage to take your cell phone cameras and record drug dealers and thugs destroying your hoods, do you Allen??? The same black thugs who shoot babies sitting on their dad’s laps or playing on their parents front porches. And they still have not caught the black thugs who did those REAL crimes……. And Eric Dyson said black people who kill other black people go to jail….. Sometimes they do, most of the times they don’t, I can assure you. #blacklivesmattermyass!!!
Allen: “A white "liberal" doesn't need to call Carson a nigger. There are plenty of white people (with racist hateful intent) in this country that already do call him a nigger, and worse. Hell, President Obama has been called nigger and worse, so what else is new...
However, Rudy Giuliani is a former mayor of a major city and a prominent political figure. He openly hates black liberals. He doesn't have to call Dr. Carson or President Obama a "nigger." You and I know that he already thinks it.”
Yeah, okay. Wait until he runs next year. Watch the hate he gets from white liberals and their black liberal pets who will be ready for their, as you said, “instructions”. So if you don’t care what they call Dr. Carson and what they called Cain, then why make a big deal out of what they call Barry??? Oh I know why, like I said before, it is your FAKE outrage on white racism! You only care when they call a black liberal, or in the president’s case, a biracial man, who YOU like, and who happens to be a liberal Democrat president, you care then! But when white liberals call black conservatives names…..oh big deal to Allen. lol. I don’t like Dr. Carson anyway because he is tool for white conservatives, right Allen? Translation: Allen, personally, does not like what Dr. Carson says(his politics) because he stepped out of our line and is not thinking the way he should be as a black person. Yep. So you prove my point. Your outrage over white racism is FAKE, Allen! You only care about it when it is thrown at your guys – the biracial president they call Obama or some other black lib that comes on TV like Dyson or Lamont Hill as examples. These black liberal clowns can go on CNN or MSLSD and trash white Republicans and conservatives and call them racist, but you will not hear Allen say, Dr. Eric Dyson HATES and I HATES white conservatives! And it is so obvious he does, BTW. Or wait, you want a black politician, Allen??? Huh? Is that what you want??? I will give you one! Or maybe a whole bunch.
I could say Congressman Elijah Cummings hates white conservatives! He just hates them! He goes on MSLSD and talks trash about the Tea Party and the Right all the time. The sexist pig, Ed Schultz, and Chris “thrill up my leg” Matthews”, has the Cummings jerk on all the time to talk about the “right-wingers” and the Tea Party! Why doesn’t Cummings just be a man and come out the closet and call them a bunch of poor white crackers, Allen???!!!
Well his old buddy, Charlie Rangle did just that. Rangle called the Tea Party “white crackers”. The racist, senile old fool, Rangle, later said he thought it was compliment to call them white crackers, Allen! Unlike Cummings, and from what you think about Rudy, at least Rangle had balls……. before he gave his halfhearted apology. lol. BTW, Allen… in case you conveniently forgot, being the typical black liberal hypocrite you are, Charlie Rangle is “prominent political figure” and he totally got away with that. And not a peep from you, the liberal media, you’re your liberal buddies. Go figure! Maybe your next excuse will be well, Marcel, we know Rangle is prominent political figure, but he is just a senile old fool. Yeah, I’d add a senile, old racist idiot who hates white conservatives so much so he actually called them “crackers”! We know this. Right. Problem is Rudy never called any black conservative a name! If he did, prove it! You just don’t like him because he kicked the clown Eric Dyson’s ass on national TV about black crime, and you are still even more butt hurt over his comments about Obama not loving America… lol.
Charlie Rangle is on record straight out expressing his hate for white Tea Party conservatives or perhaps white people in general; he actually called them "crackers".
Marcel;"You want to vote for another black man again, right, Allen!!!! Right???? I got you!".
Allen: Wrong! As I stated, I've voted for "old white guys" before. As a matter of fact use your Google skills and look up the present mayor of Detroit. I voted for him too...”
Right! We were NOT talking a local Mayoral election. Nope. Don’t even try it. We were talking voting for a “president of the U.SA” . Nice try though….. :)
Marcel; "Right! We were NOT talking a local Mayoral election. Nope. Don’t even try it. We were talking voting for a “president of the U.SA” . Nice try though….. :)".
Why do you think this is a "competition?" It's a debate of idea's, not a, who get's points for their ideological bent. I'll, digress though...
Marcel, I have voted for white men, black men, white women, black women, and if a "person" of any ethnicity were to run in an election (local, state or national) that I believe represents my views of the world around me, I'll vote for them.
Let me say this one more time.... I have voted for a white man for Mayor, Governor, President, City Council, Secretary of State, School Board, County Commissioner, you name it. If another Black man runs for president that represents the same views of the world that I have, he'll get my vote. If he doesn't represent my views, he won't! That same goes for Mayor, Governor, President, City Council, Secretary of State, School Board, County Commissioner, you name it.
Marcel; "Right! We were NOT talking a local Mayoral election.
Nope. Don’t even try it. We were talking voting for a “president of the U.SA” . Nice try though….. :)".
Allen “Why do you think this is a "competition?" It's a debate of idea's, not a, who get's points for their ideological bent. I'll, digress though...”
Yeah, you’re right it is not a competition and my point stands. We were NOT talking about some local Mayoral race were YOU voted for some OLD, FAT white guy. I am talking about your love for your beloved black president who you say is nothing but a big victim – big victim to white racism. And I am also doing what you like you to do in debates. You told me the president’s good friend (who he invited to the WH with his wife) ,Kanye West, was not a good example of disrespect for GW Bush, only because he is not a politician. I love how you love to set the goal post back future and future when it is convenient for you. So I did the same and was very accurate. We are talking about black people like you being the true racist who supported Barry for president because he is black and defend him to the death because he is black.
I really believe if Deval Patrick runs for president, and he runs against the two OLD, and WHITE HAGS, Warren and Clinton, you and many other blacks will be behind him just you were Barry in the Democrat primary. We have already seen it. Or maybe you will try to fool us this time to save face and vote against him to try to show you don’t just want to keep as you say, “the black man in the WH”. lol. Come Allen get behind and in encourage Deval to run, so you can keep the “black man up in the WH” and so we can have another victim president for 8 years. Maybe the white liberals can grant you that just one more time??? Or is their eye on Hispanics now?? The president said we will have a President Rodriguez quicker than we think - thanks to his immigration policies…. LOL. Well at least if Deval Patrick were to run and win the whole think, whether I like him or not like you guys(black liberals) would, he would be a Christian and a real, AUTHENTIC black president this time….. No white parents…… But I don’t think white liberals will allow that again, Allen and you know it. It will be the two old Hags or either, maybe a Hispanic or Gay president next time as your nominee! I think it will be one of the old hags…….
Allen: “Let me say this one more time.... I have voted for a white man for Mayor, Governor, President, City Council, Secretary of State, School Board, County Commissioner, you name it. If another Black man runs for president that represents the same views of the world that I have, he'll get my vote. If he doesn't represent my views, he won't! That same goes for Mayor, Governor, President, City Council, Secretary of State, School Board, County Commissioner, you name it.”
Again, those local races you mention mean nothing so you get no points for voting for white liberals. I know you would vote for a white lib in a minute, but we are talking your unwavering, support for Barry as POTU, not hey, Marcel, I voted for white libs on the local level!!!!! Lol.
But I don’t buy the phony black liberal argument that most blacks voted for Barry because of his ideology ONLY. Please! That is complete and utter bull shit and you know it!!! Barry did the unthinkable and defeated the Clinton machine largely because of blacks who turned their support to an unknown rookie U.S. Senator that came out of nowhere. There is not much difference between what Barry and Clinton believe and espoused during their 2008 campaigns, but you and I know ONE main difference between them…….. In January of 2008 blacks could not wait to vote for Clinton, so we could go back to those good old Clinton years and the good old Clinton economy. The largely unknown rookie U.S. Senator who was black man in the race changed that all…………………. The same blacks who same anything a white conservative does or says against Barry is a black person who probably supports and voted for Barry because they few him as “our black president”… I even saw an article in the AfroNews paper state, BiBi Netanyahu disrespected “our black president”. Huh? “Our” black president???? I THOUGHT BARRY TOLD DUMB BLACK PEOPLE BACK IN 2012 THAT HE IS NOT PRESIDENT OF THE BLACKS!!! How stupid could these black libards be, Allen???? HE IS PRESEDENT OF THE LATINOS! Barry is actually the first Hispanic president, according to comedian George Lopez. I wonder why he said that? He said the racist GOP is still asking him for his papers like an illegal Mexican. Hey, Allen, you know the old saying says there are many and plenty of true words spoken in a joke…… But I digress.
I guess the blacks who think like that did not vote for “our black president” over Clinton and again in two general elections because they see him as they called him “our black president”.
Marcel;"Yeah, you’re right it is not a competition and my point stands.".
Okay, you understand that it's not a competition.
Marcel;"Again, those local races you mention mean nothing so you get no points for voting for white liberals".
I get no POINTS for voting for a white liberal? Who do I need to vote for to get points from you? If I vote for a white conservative will I get POINTS? How about a black conservative, do you give points for them? Or will I get points just for voting for who YOU think I should vote for?
"I know you would vote for a white lib in a minute, but we are talking your unwavering, support for Barry as POTU".
Let me get this right.... You know that I will vote for a white liberal, but I only get "points" (how many points??? I have no idea) for voting for some one other than President Obama. Moreover, I don't get any "points" for voting for past white liberal presidents.
Marcel;"I really believe if Deval Patrick runs for president, and he runs against the two OLD, and WHITE HAGS, Warren and Clinton, you and many other blacks will be behind him just you were Barry in the Democrat primary".
So will I get "points" if I support Clinton or Warren? Are old white liberal hags worth any "Marcel points?"
Marcel, it appears as though you're charging me for the actions of what you "believe" (ie; think or assume) what you claim "many other blacks" are doing. You believe that many other blacks voted for President Obama simply because he's black. I'm telling you, and will tell you unequivocally that I do not. I vote for "individuals" who support the social positions that are the same, or as close to ideals that I hold.
Yes, there is a number of Liberal Democrat blacks that voted for President Obama because he is Black and most will admit that they do so. However, as you say, this is not their only reason for doing so. Those same blacks have shown that they do not, and would not support a Conservative Republican black. There's only one explanation as to why... Obviously liberal blacks are "liberal" first and foremost.
Now allow me to psychoanalyze your racial political preferences since you saw fit to take liberty into mine.
You take all your cues (talking points) from what the conservative political structure dictates. I can't and won't go so far as to call you "dumb" (as you've referred to liberal blacks who support President Obama). But you are just following the conservative party line. In politics the politicians, pundits and political forces are powerful entities.
The fact is all politicians (black, white, liberal, conservative) LIE! It's the way politics in America is. They also create false meme's (talking points) to make you believe that "the other guy is doing you wrong."
What you fail to accept is that "blacks vote Democrat." We have voted as a minority bloc since the time we were allowed to vote. Be it voting Republican en-mass during reconstruction, or en-mass after. Like it or not, accept it or not, Blacks are a minority in this country. We don't dictate, and nor do we have a political structure. When conservatives say;
Blacks are being used by the Democrats as pawns. You blacks are dumb for voting for the Democrats. Liberal policies have destroyed blacks. You only voted for Obama because he's black. Blacks are on the Democrat plantation. YET... The Democrats are so bad, Blacks should branch out and vote REPUBLICAN???? .
Yet, I've never heard a conservative Republican say; "you know what black people... perhaps you black folks should vote for neither Democrats or Republican. Go and set up your own political coalition which focuses on improving black communities and lives. A coalition not based on Democrat nor a Republican political party. That way no one can accuse you of being a "plantation slave or an Uncle Tom."
I think Ronald Reagan expressed it best on setting up minorities for a brainwashing in order to vote for your his political party.
""Latinos are Republican. They just don't know it yet".
Allen, :I think Ronald Reagan expressed it best on setting up minorities for a brainwashing in order to vote for your his political party.
""Latinos are Republican. They just don't know it yet".”
Well, again, Allen, I will give Latinos and other immigrant groups a lot of credit more credit than blacks, though.
Latinos for instance are making both parties work for their votes – especially the Democrats. Can we say the same about blacks, Allen??
And since you want to pull out quotes on this issue of minorities voting for Democrats and Republicans, I thought this would be a good one for you, Allen. You brought up racist Democrat, LBJ, a while back and blacks voting for Democrats.
Let’s look at what great Democrat legend and icon LBJ said about blacks since you bring up Reagan quotes about the Democrat party’s current, most important group:
“I'll have them niggers voting Democratic for two hundred years.”
He told that to two Democrat governors back in 1964. Looks like that racist Democrat icon and president was right, Allen, right? Perhaps many white liberals who run for office and receive the votes of YOU and many other blacks feel the same way………they just ain’t saying it yet.
Allen: "Yet, I've never heard a conservative Republican say; "you know what black people... perhaps you black folks should vote for neither Democrats or Republican. Go and set up your own political coalition which focuses on improving black communities and lives. A coalition not based on Democrat nor a Republican political party. That way no one can accuse you of being a "plantation slave or an Uncle Tom."
You know what is funny about that? I have heard SOME….SOME blacks suggest that on local black liberal talk radio. They say they know the GOP does not give a damn about them, but they said they see the damage that has happened to blacks under the modern day Democrat party in most urban cities and how the Dems take their votes for granted. I think these blacks, who are largely VERY liberal, are smart! You are right, Allen, not all black liberals are dumb. Sorry if you thought I said that. Many are, in my opinion, but not all. I actually have a FEW black liberals I like, believe it or not, even though I may disagree with on core issue. I like Dr. Boyce Watkins. Why? Because he is not an Obama and Democrat lackey like you, Allen, and he holds AAs accountable for the problems black men cause and he goes after hip hop disrespecting black women and training young black men to want to be thugs and gangsters when they grow up. I also have respect for Cornel West, an admitted Socialist, even though he says A LOT of dumb stuff at times, too. Why do I respect West? Because West is not afraid to call out Obama for the phony, fraud he is and he takes on other black liberals who attack him for daring to criticize Barry. But I cannot get with his far left socialist views. But I respect him and love the fact that he can think for himself and challenge the black liberal Democrat establishment for the frauds they are who pretend that they care about poor blacks.
Oh and BTW, if a black person calls me an Uncle Tom, I just give it right back to them ten times harder! You see, Allen, I am not like those blacks that ran on Sean Hannity’s show and wined about being attacked and called names. I am more like Larry Elder like in way he took that punk, black liberal scum back DL Hughley to school last week on Twitter for for trashing Dr. Carson and black conservatives. Larry fought fire with even hotter fire! It got so bad the dumb black liberal comedian just kept repeating the same old personal attacks over and over. He had no arguments other than calling Larry a boot licker, lol. That's all he could say. He's a dumb black liberal with GED talking crap to an attorney. What did we expect?
I do the same Allen..... I don’t take shit off of liberal scum sucking trash; I give it back ten times harder. Call me an Uncle Tom? I call them good black pets for their white liberals masters because most are…… NOT all, but most…... I can say a lot more, but I digress……………………
Allen: "The fact is all politicians (black, white, liberal, conservative) LIE! It's the way politics in America is. They also create false meme's (talking points) to make you believe that "the other guy is doing you wrong."
I agree. Just make sure you as a black liberal Democrat do a better calling the lies and B.S. hypocrisy on your side, too. You know like the black libs that get outraged over racist Ferguson Police emails about the president or from a white conservative judge in California, but are SILENT, and I mean crickets, crickets, on the RACIST Sony emails from RACIST , rich, white liberal Democrat donors. Or the racist Latino guy who made racist comments about first lady on Univision just today. I can only image if it was Ted Nugent….. And I agree Ted is racist and a draft dodging coward, so don’t start with me about him, I am just making a point about the FAKE liberal and black liberal outrage depending on who it is…. But what this racist Latino guy from Univision said is getting no play from the black or white left. Yeah, the network fired him, but I can image what the fire storm in media would be if he were a white conservative. Yeah, you and I both know, Allen. I’m glad you are acknowledging it here, but just make sure you call out your side for the lies and racist when say that, and not just the right and whites on the right…….
What you fail to accept is that "blacks vote Democrat." We have voted as a minority bloc since the time we were allowed to vote. Be it voting Republican en-mass during reconstruction, or en-mass after. Like it or not, accept it or not, Blacks are a minority in this country. We don't dictate, and nor do we have a political structure. When conservatives say;
Allen: "Blacks are being used by the Democrats as pawns. You blacks are dumb for voting for the Democrats. Liberal policies have destroyed blacks. You only voted for Obama because he's black. Blacks are on the Democrat plantation. YET... The Democrats are so bad, Blacks should branch out and vote REPUBLICAN????"
None of what you said matters, Allen, because the Democrat party does not even really give a damn about blacks anymore. I will keep saying that over and over. So you can support them with all your heart all you want. And you are right “blacks will continue to be a minority, and I will add an insignificant minority at that. It is so bad now Barry and most blacks don’t even feel they have to work for your votes. Again, you can support the party birthed the KKK; makes no difference to me. I just think you should vote for better Democrats that actually care about you and show they care. Barry did not even have to campaign to you directly and he got more blacks to come out for him both time then Clinton and Kerry did…….. But you say it is all about ideology and not race. Yeah, ok. I bet Kerry wishes all those AA that came out and voted for Barry would have done the same for him…..lol. Many stayed home in 2004 because they did not give a damn, but yet black people were wheeling grandmothers out in wheelchairs to vote for the first black president in 2008…….
Allen: “Now allow me to psychoanalyze your racial political preferences since you saw fit to take liberty into mine. You take all your cues (talking points) from what the conservative political structure dictates. I can't and won't go so far as to call you "dumb" (as you've referred to liberal blacks who support President Obama). But you are just following the conservative party line. In politics the politicians, pundits and political forces are powerful entities. “
Allen, you can call me dumb all you want because just because you say it or, as you say, lol, “believe it” does not make it so. And besides, black liberals call blacks who have conservative views and don’t toe the liberal party line. You just dislike black conservatives and blacks with conservative views. We stepped off the plantation and don’t think the way we should be thinking. I get that. You are the one that follow the liberal party line better than anyone. You admitted you are loyal Democrat who votes the party line no matter what. That’s you, not me. I don’t support the GOP and conservatives on everything and have criticized them both. And, in case your memory is not that good, I have even clashed with Tyrone on here about black conservatives many times…… Do you criticize the Democrats and black liberals, Allen???? I sure have never seen you do it. And again, you have admitted you are a very loyal Democrat lackey. You are proud of yourself for voting for nothing but Democrats for everything your whole life! You have been voting Democrat as long as you can remember. You love yourself some Democrats to the death. Okay, okay. That’s fine, but you are the one who toes the party line no matter what. You can do a search on here and see were me and Tyrone have clashed about the GOP, black conservative’s whining on Sean Hannity’s show, and the Trayvon Martin case…. In fact, you and I agreed on some accepts of the Martin/ Zimmmerman issue. You even enjoyed it when I mocked black conservatives for going on Hannity’s panel. But Michael Brown was a damn thug who attack an officer and got what you got when you do that – period! Even the DOJ dropped the case against the cop! But Travyon Martin should not have lost his life that night. Zimmerman is no law enforcement officer a he should have stayed in the damn car. He should be in jail for manslaughter. Many on the right(black and white) were wrong about the Zimmerman case. Zimmerman is an asshole who should be behind bars; look how many times he has been in trouble since the case ended. Zimmerman is right’s OJ Sampson. But Brown was a different story, Allen.
This is one that should make you happy, Allen. I will say the Republican Party is the stupid party and that is why I am registered unaffiliated (my liberal state got rid of Independent). Bobby Jindal was right! And I like Jindal, BTW, yes. Yeah, I really toe the “conservative” line. I guess you can “believe” too, if you want. Does not matter, though…
You think John Boehner gives a shit about black people? Of course not, Allen. And Boehner is a weak, cry baby idiot! At least I can say that. Even black conservative David Webb called Boehner a racist this week for not going to Selma. But then Nancy Pelosi does not give a shit about black people either; like most rich, FAKE white liberals don’t(you know, like the ones you vote for, Allen). I see it on both sides, unlike a black liberal like you who goes, I voted for white liberals, Marcel!!!!! So you can’t say I voted for Obama because he’s black!!! I voted for them, too!!!! I have never, EVER seen you take a white or black liberal Democrat to task for anything unless you are called out on it… I have no problem criticizing black and white conservatives when I see something I disagree with or like. I said many black and white conservative were dead wrong about defending an asshole like Zimmerman. Can you say the same? Doubt it. You are too busy being a loyal Democrat liberal and toeing you party line. You sir are the party hack. Good job.
Allen” Marcel, it appears as though you're charging me for the actions of what you "believe" (ie; think or assume) what you claim "many other blacks" are doing. You believe that many other blacks voted for President Obama simply because he's black. I'm telling you, and will tell you unequivocally that I do not. I vote for "individuals" who support the social positions that are the same, or as close to ideals that I hold. “
Well even if I am charging you with actions I believe, don’t you do the same?? You stated me and Tyrone have our secret meeting with white conservatives who give us our “instructions”. We are just blacks and with conservative views……even though Tyrone has questioned my true conservatism many times, BTW. You can say whatever you want, but based on what you come to blog with over and over again, I don’t have to buy it. You come to this blog and troll and cry and cry about “white conservatives” hate for Barry. Not white liberals, but white conservatives and Republicans. A white conservative cannot criticize or say anything about your beloved black president without being labeled a racist. Many blacks like you will claim they voted for Barry in 2008, in the primary, because they shared his believes, but Hillary and the other candidates did not share Barry’s beliefs? I mean Hillary had the black vote in the bag until a nationally unknown rookie U.S. Senator got popular in 2008. I wonder what happened…..
Allen: “Yes, there is a number of Liberal Democrat blacks that voted for President Obama because he is Black and most will admit that they do so. However, as you say, this is not their only reason for doing so. Those same blacks have shown that they do not, and would not support a Conservative Republican black. There's only one explanation as to why... Obviously liberal blacks are "liberal" first and foremost.”
They are liberals first….right. But I wonder why they abandoned Hillary in 2008. What was it about Barry, that they jumped Clinton’s ship for a largely nationally UNKNOWN, rookie U.S. Senator??? I can’t help but wonder. I remember the black preachers were ready for Clinton, Allen! But you can keep your head in the sand and continue to deny. I know, I know. Blacks don’t care about race; they just complain and whine about it daily for whites against Barry? Got it! I call bull shit, though. Most blacks came out in historic numbers and rolled grandmothers and dads in wheelchairs to vote for Barry because he was the first. Many had tears in their eyes because of Barry’s race. Remember the clip of that DUMB black women that said she would not have to pay her bills and her mortgage anymore because Barry was going to be president. LOL. Not saying she voted for race…… alone, but what an idiot. I’d like to see her today, 7 years later.. But I digress.
Allen: “I get no POINTS for voting for a white liberal? Who do I need to vote for to get points from you? If I vote for a white conservative will I get POINTS? How about a black conservative, do you give points for them? Or will I get points just for voting for who YOU think I should vote for?”
Nope. You get no points because you and many black libs keep voting for the same sorry ass democrats who have the community looking like the biggest joke of America, Allen. I mean really. Look, Allen, if you don’t want to vote for any Republicans for anything fine. I could give a rat’s ass and never said you should or had to. But can you black liberals at least find some better Democrats? I would be for that. Get some better Democrats that actually bring in jobs and reduce poverty and hold black criminals accountable. Even the wealthiest black county in the country, Prince George’s County, Maryland, has a damn crime problem and is the 2nd most dangerous place to live in Maryland! And they don’t have to be hard right wing either, Allen, so calm down, lol. But I know none of that will happen because you all love to be victims and blame the imaginary GOP tea party for holding you all back, in the “hood”. All that phony black empowerment crap you talk, Allen, and I never see any of it put to work anywhere, just more and more murders every night. Meanwhile immigrants, legal and illegal, are coming to America and moving ahead and moving up the ladder. I know Asian immigrants who work menial jobs, yet work hard to move into the suburbs, see that their kids get not good, but excellent grades in school and send their kids to the best colleges money can buy. I see a similar trend in African immigrants and Afro-Caribbean immigrants, too. What’s the old joke about Jamaicans from back in the day, Allen? The Jamaicans come here and work 10 jobs. Many become college professors at top white colleges as well.
You know it is funny when I hear some black liberals brag about the future of America being white minority. That is very funny to hear coming from black, hate whitey leftist, Allen. You know why? Because the sons and daughters of immigrants will be the future of America, Allen, not black people still living in the hood talking about whitey is holding you back because you came from a family of criminals and you come from slaves. And let me tell you something else, Allen, Mr. and Mrs. Chin and Mr. and Mrs. Rodriguez will not have sympathy for and and baby poor black people like SOME fake white liberals and the Democrats do, and they are not going to pat you on your head and tell you you are a victim to whitey and that's why you can't get ahead. Know that now. You better believe they will not since Mr. Chin will have businesses, thriving communities, and children who can’t get enough of a good education. Black America better get their act together because Barry will be out in 22 months and even if one of the old hags wins in 2016, poor “woe is me” black people will not be the party’s focus anymore. Maybe if a Republican president wins you guys will suddenly care about black unemployment again, though. The only difference is immigrants(Indian, Asians, and even some Africans) will have the jobs and own the businesses. Meanwhile in Detroit, Baltimore, and Cleveland, Pookie will be busy killing Tavon over a chicken box, or a pair of Air Jordans, or because he looked at his girlfriend’s butt. And young black kids in high school will not be able to compete with the Asian kids because the blacks students 11th and 12th graders read at a 4th-7th grade reading level because their sorry black mothers and some parents(if there is even a family) care more about dressing good and driving a nice Lexus in the hood than their child’s education. Actually that goes on now; even in the suburbs were blacks have moved out to.
Marcel;"Yeah, you’re right it is not a competition and my point stands.".
Allen: “Okay, you understand that it's not a competition.”
Right, so don’t make it a competition when I bring up all the hateful racist comments about GW Bush received when he was president(many from blacks) and you justify it by saying, well such and such was actor or talk show host and not a politician. It is all hate for the current president in charge. You only care about this one because you perceive Barry as black! You do it, and I will give it right back to you. If you don’t want competition, don’t play the game dude.
Marcel, ONE Hundred years before LBJ said he'd have niggers voting Democrat for two hundred years, Abe Lincoln (a Republican) WROTE; "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it".
So what's so damning or extreme about a president referring to blacks as "niggers" while he sat in office as blacks were segregated, beat, jailed, lynched, and denied basic human rights? As for Lincoln, he didn't give a damn about the plight of blacks. His decision was based on POLITICS. One hundred years later, a U.S. president felt the same... so what's new about that?
LBJ was no anomaly. He was the status-quo. He's part of a long history of U.S. presidents who made their decisions about "niggers" based on what was best [POLITICS] for the country, not what was best for blacks.
I have repeatedly stated on Tyrone's blog, and in other writings, we as blacks should have, and develop our own political, economic, educational, social and spiritual base and agenda. The hell with Democrats and Republicans! With a structure of our own, neither political party could claim us, or shame us.
Marcel;"but yet black people were wheeling grandmothers out in wheelchairs to vote for the first black president in 2008…".
Are you saying that you don't understand why blacks were "wheeling their grandmothers to the polls?" So all those grandmothers didn't know what they were doing? Were they just being "racist?"
Marcel;"Meanwhile in Detroit, Baltimore, and Cleveland, Pookie will be busy killing Tavon over a chicken box, or a pair of Air Jordans, or because he looked at his girlfriend’s butt. And young black kids in high school will not be able to compete with the Asian kids because the blacks students".
And the cure for Pookie spending his money on Jordans and black drop out rates is voting "Republican?"
How about a black political base structured around curing the "Pookie, Tavon and school drop out rate? How about a structured education system that caters directly to the need's of black children? How about black entrepreneurs developing products and services based in black communities, and focused solely on serving our communities. How about a nation wide spiritual/religious collective ideology to serve the spiritual needs of black communities?
Allen: “So what's so damning or extreme about a president referring to blacks as "niggers" while he sat in office as blacks were segregated, beat, jailed, lynched, and denied basic human rights? As for Lincoln, he didn't give a damn about the plight of blacks. His decision was based on POLITICS. One hundred years later, a U.S. president felt the same... so what's new about that?”
What is so damning about it? I’ll help you out: the man is a Democrat party icon today, Allen. Your Democrat Party you are in so much love with!
Remember, Allen, “And we shall overcome”! He is an icon today in the modern day Democrat party. Very rarely do they(the liberal media, MSLSD and etc.) bring up his racist past.
And what else is so damning is that he said that is and it is actually true, Allen! Black people just might be doing what he said from 200 years from then. He was right!
And no you don’t have to vote for Republicans, Allen. You, as a loyal Democrat you are, and I don’t want you to do what you don’t want to do. I never said that. Just keep doing what LBJ said and keep proving him right!
Now I agree with you about President Lincoln. That is one thing we can agree on. Lincoln said if he could preserve the Union with slavery, he would have done it. Lincoln was WAS also MORALLY against slavery, yes, but does not mean he really liked black African people. He was just morally against enslaving people. There are also rumors of accounts of him making racist jokes about blacks on stage. But unfortunately, for a black liberal like you, who I know would love to hear more about that, I can’t confirm right now. I’m still working on it.
Allen: “I have repeatedly stated on Tyrone's blog, and in other writings, we as blacks should have, and develop our own political, economic, educational, social and spiritual base and agenda. The hell with Democrats and Republicans! With a structure of our own, neither political party could claim us, or shame us.”
The hell with the Democrats and Republican, Allen?? Really, Allen?? I think you really meant the hell with the Republicans,Allen……. not the Democrats as far as you are concerned. And that is completely fine if you feel that way. But don’t front, Allen, you have admitted numerous times on here that you are a very, VERY loyal Democrat. In fact, I cannot recall EVER seeing you take the modern day Democrat party to task for much of anything – unless maybe you get called on something really dumb that one did – and that is still very rare. Now the GOP, yes! You specialize in that, and that’s fine. I have never seen you say anything negative about Obama, black liberals, and Democrats.
When Bush was in office, I hated him for most of 6 years(after the Iraq war really). I was even a Democrat back then. In fact, you know what I tell conservatives and especially white conservatives that complain about Obama even when I agree with them on the complaint? It was GW Bush who gave us the phony fraud Obama. Bush screwed it up so bad in the last two years of his second terms in particular, he left the door wide open for this phony, nationally unknown man who ran on a false, b.s. “hope and change” narrative to come in and take it all.
Allen: “Are you saying that you don't understand why blacks were "wheeling their grandmothers to the polls?" So all those grandmothers didn't know what they were doing? Were they just being "racist?"
So you are finally admitting my point. Black people came out in droves to support a nationally unknown, rookie U.S. Senator, for president and now you ask me why I can’t seem to understand that? Yeah, I understand it well and I have been telling you the reason why. It goes back to what I have been saying. Thank you for finally, slowly coming out. Just admit it. Most blacks – a VERY large number - supported Obama over Hillary and even now because he is the so called “black president”. Black people overwhelming supported Hillary Clinton in the beginning; the black churches was behind her and all. And to answer your question about are they racist? I assume you mean racist against white? Oh I forgot, by black liberal logic there is no such thing as a black racist because black people don’t have any power in America and are forever victims to the white man’s racist system, right Allen?
In my opinion, it depends because there are a lot of black people that just don’t like white people – period – in that include older black people, Allen, yes, and you know that. It is the same as old white people that don’t like blacks, Allen. Is the old, 80 year old white lady from Alabama racist because she voted for John McCain? You know in many cases black liberals would say, YES! But I guess there is racial double standard on the liberal left and in particular the black liberal left. Black people can dislike and abuse and hate white people and in it is justified because of the history of this country, right Allen? Whitey is just getting pay back. Right.
It is the same reason the media goes on and on about the black man hung down south this week and we don’t really know what happened, but the vicious “Knoxville murders” of 2008 will never be known to most of America because of the races involved in the different sides races involved in those killings. Reporting the “Knoxville murders” will never happen because the white liberal media does not want to upset loyal black followers and make black men look bad and like thugs and killers of white people. I mean look at what John Capehart is going through right now! What liberal(white or black) wants to go through that!
The national liberal media loathes to cover black on white crimes and murders anyway, Allen - period – even Fox does not pick most of those stories up unless they have to.
The hanging of this black man in Mississippi is news now(even though we don’t know the full details of how it happened yet) because we want white America to feel that guilt from the past: slavery and Jim Crow and lynching. But the vicious Knoxville murders and many, MANY more like it will never be reported nationally even though the facts are known there......
Marcel;"Meanwhile in Detroit, Baltimore, and Cleveland, Pookie will be busy killing Tavon over a chicken box, or a pair of Air Jordans, or because he looked at his girlfriend’s butt. And young black kids in high school will not be able to compete with the Asian kids because the blacks students".
Allen: “And the cure for Pookie spending his money on Jordans and black drop out rates is voting "Republican?"
Marcel: Now you are just trolling, Allen. You could not think of a better come back to a statement that bothered you did not like, so you troll me and suggest I suggest YOU and other blacks voting Republican will stop blacks killing blacks. LOL. I am not going to call you dumb even though you imply that’s what I am, but I will call you out for being what you are: WakeupblackAmerica’s liberal troll. No, black lives don’t matter to blacks when blacks kill blacks every day. We know that. Only black people can stop that and wake up one day and say they will no longer tolerate it! You want racist white police and police in general out of your hoods, then black men should stop committing so much damn crime! If you reread what I said before I told you to keep voting for those same sorry Democrats who have you living in those conditions. I know you will continue you to. And this is coming from the same Allen that just previously said, “The hell with Democrats and Republicans!”. I knew you really did not mean that and you were being a phony fraud with that. You are very loyal Democrat. You even admit it! I have been voting for Democrats(white and black, as long as it’s a D) since as long as I can remember Marcel and Tyrone, yay! Yes, Allen I know you do and gods bless you for it if that’s what makes you happy. I did say you could at least get some better Democrats. Some Democrats that will actually bring new ideas, job training, and reduce poverty, and hold criminals accountable and remove the killers and really violent black thugs terrorizing the hoods. But you don’t really want that. You want the status quo in the black community. More killing, more poverty, more failing schools and drop outs, and the same sorry Democrat liberals(black and white) to pat you on the head and tell you it’s the white man’s fault and systemic racism and it’s nothing blacks can do.
Allen: “How about a black political base structured around curing the "Pookie, Tavon and school drop out rate? How about a structured education system that caters directly to the needs of black children? How about black entrepreneurs developing products and services based in black communities, and focused solely on serving our communities. How about a nation wide spiritual/religious collective ideology to serve the spiritual needs of black communities?”
All sounds good, but I don’t see the movement on any of it. I do hear that TALK a lot, though, Allen from some black conscience groups.
What I do see is all the other groups of minorities, in particular, Asians, doing very and somewhat similar to what you suggest. And you know what amazes me about Asians? They are vastly underrepresented in the politics, both nationally(Congress) and locally! They don’t need any Al Charlatan and Messy Jackson and a phony race based caucus speaking up for them. They just do what they need to do and they are not even perfect. Oh and Caribbean blacks(also the descendants of slaves) and Africans do the same and are also very successful once they get here…... In fact, it also amazes me how Caribbean blacks and Asians move here and start all the businesses in the hood you talk about black Americans being should be doing. Then they take the money and send their kids to the best and top rated colleges and universities money can buy!
Marcel;" I’ll help you out: the man is a Democrat party icon today, Allen. Your Democrat Party you are in so much love with!".
I'm not hardly "in love" with any political party. I vote Democrat because they are closer to my own personal ideology. I'm not deeply religious, or even close to what most Republicans claim they are. I believe in a woman's right to choose. I know that certain government instituted laws defending minority freedom's works. I'm against American war mongering (as war mongering which has nothing to do with self defense). Thus, is there's a Republican that holds just those basic ideals, I'd gladly vote for him.
I vote because first and foremost, I'm a "complainer." I often complain about political policy. Secondly, why wouldn't I vote when people fought and died to give a person that looks like me the right to vote. However, in all other cases which holds my social idealistic views, as far as I'm concerned both parties can go to hell.
I don't have to "love" a Democrat or the Democrat party to vote for a Democrat. Hell, before I found a job that I enjoyed I worked jobs that I hated with a passion. Yet, I still got up and went to work every day and did the job I HATED to the best of my abilities.
Marcel;"So you are finally admitting my point. Black people came out in droves to support a nationally unknown, rookie U.S. Senator, for president and now you ask me why I can’t seem to understand that?".
Yes they did! Their very first chance to vote for a DEMOCRAT that looked just like them. A man who clearly stated his political positions before, during and after the election. Marcel, scroll back up to where I stated my political positions. Check and see if any one of them is counter to what President Obama has said and/or done politically. Again, first and foremost, those are my reasons for voting for President Obama.
But to get back to why "most" Blacks voted for him, I've stated many times that many blacks wanted to vote for a black man. As far as "grandmothers" voting, yes again! Blacks in their mid to late sixties and older believe that they would never see the day. Voting for a black man for presidents had nothing to do with "racism", and much to do with voting for a Black man out of pride. What you don't want to acknowledge is the history and memories which lives in the "pre-civil rights" black person's mind.
I understand that your white conservative instruction demands that you give up the so-called racial animus of the past. You're told that it's wrong for black people to vote en-mass for a party that supported slavery and Jim Crow. You're told it's wrong for blacks to dwell on history long past (that lasted for 250 plus years) and the history of segregation and denial (that ended because laws had to be put in place even though the U.S. Constitution had said so). You're told that some black people just don't like white people, and that they have absolutely no reason to do so...
Thus, using unpleasant history as a basis or guide for the present, or the future is just wrong! That's what you're told and that's what you happily consent to do. So at least allow me to give you a bit of instruction....
Here's what you need to say the next time your conservative instructors tell you that 250 years of history doesn't, and should not effect blacks today... Tell them that "going back to the intent of the founding fathers and what they wrote" is dead and gone. This is 2015! All that stuff they wrote about and did hundreds of years ago has very little, if any bearing on what we are today. Tell your Tea Party instructors they're a "grievance industry" based on history that was fought and won 200 years ago. Tell them that what happened before or during World War II isn't important and has no bearing on their lives today. Tell conservative politicians and pundits that Churchill and Neville Chamberlain are dead and are not to be relied upon as examples for today's politicians. Tell them that Adolf Hitler and his Nazi Party is dead and lost the war. Tell them that Reagan won the cold war and the Soviets are no longer a threat to America.
Those are merely a few "unpleasant historic events" that conservatives often rehash, and frankly, make up most of what conservative ideology is today. However, I have a feeling that you're going to defend the hypocrisy of your conservative instructors. They've told you that, "their history is important." Their history has meaning and needs to be taught, learned and held in honor (by YOU). Conversely, all that "Colored, Negro, Black and African American" history stuff is not "America's" real history. You "Colored, Negro, Black and hyphenated Americans" are just being "lazy, criminal, irresponsible, and grievances." And by the way, the DEMOCRATS did all that to you. The good Republican white folks had nothing to do with it.
Once again, screw both Democrats and Republicans. Had we developed our own communities politically, economically, educationally, and spiritually, blacks like yourself wouldn't be so screwed up in the head.
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