Has Chris Matthews become a birther in denial?
I am in shock. I simply can't believe that the bleached blond air head also known as Obama's man whore Chris "Mr. Tingles" Matthews finally had a moment of enlightenment. I have to use the quote from the Baltimore Raven's Linebacker Ray Lewis on this on, "Even a blind cat finds a meal once and awhile". Maybe that blond dye Chris uses had an adverse reaction, and it caused him to be self aware at least for one moment in time. Here's what happened. Hawaii just elected a new governor by name of Neil Ambercrombie. Mr. Ambercrombie's top priority doesn't appear to be Hawaii's economy or other major pressing issues that a governor faces after he or she is sworn in. Nah, Neil is more focused on proving to the people who question Obama's Hawaiian paternity that he was born in Hawaii and is U.S citizen. Obama's loyal supporters claim the birth issue has been put to rest, apparently Neil hasn't been brought up to speed yet. I would think that after Chris listening to Governor Ambercrombie on the "birther" issue, he would say that Governor Ambercrombie shouldn't prove anything to those who question Obama paternity. Chris claims he isn't a birther, yet he asked a very simple question that many of the so called birthers have been asking from day one. "WHY HASN'T THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF DEMANDED THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS BE RELEASED". Great question Chris.
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posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 9:03 PM
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Why should the president himself demand (or even ask) that the original documents be released? The birth certificate that Obama has already released is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, used by thousands of people to prove their birth in the USA every year.
In other words, the Certification of Live Birth already proves that Obama was born in Hawaii. Abercrombie is just trying to add additional confirmation. But that confirmation is actually not needed, since the confirmations of the Republican officials in Hawaii have already done that, as has the notices in the Hawaiian newspapers in 1961. (Those notices were not advertisements; they were only official notices sent out by the department of vital records of Hawaii, and the department only sent out those notices for births IN Hawaii, and not for births outside of Hawaii.)
What Obama presented is a "certificate of live birth" not a "birth certificate". They are two different things. Also, why would Abercrombie need to add "additional confirmation" if the certificate of live birth is supposedly good enough?
Re: "What Obama presented is a "certificate of live birth" not a "birth certificate". They are two different things. '
Answer: Who told you that? It is WRONG. The certification (The name is actually CertificATION) of live birth is the official birth certificate of Hawaii. And in fact it is the only birth certificate that Hawaii has issued to anyone since 2001. Thousands of people use it to get drivers licenses and US passports every year.
The Wall Street Journal said:
“The birthers have also misrepresented the law in the claims they have made about Obama’s birth certificate. In truth, Obama has proved that he is a native of Hawaii, and this proof would hold up in any legal or administrative proceeding.
In order to explain the birthers’ deception on this point, it is necessary to delve into the arcana of Hawaiian vital records. The document that Obama has released, which carries the title “certification of live birth,” confirms that the president was born in Honolulu. It is a legal birth certificate, and, as the Honolulu Star-Bulletin notes, it is the only kind of birth certificate the state of Hawaii issues….
Further, if Congress were to pass the so-called birther bill, Obama would be able to comply easily. The bill would require presidential campaigns to submit “a copy of the candidate’s birth certificate” to the Federal Election Commission. The certificate Obama has released publicly would meet this requirement.”
Re: "Also, why would Abercrombie need to add "additional confirmation" if the certificate of live birth is supposedly good enough?'
Answer: I agree with you. He does not have to show the original, but some birthers are demanding to see the original.
The Wall Street Journal also said that it was unnecessary to show the original and that there would be birthers who will simply claim that it is forged. It said:
"The release of the obsolete birth certificate would not “resolve the issue” to those for whom it is not already resolved. They claim without basis that today’s birth certificate is a fake; there is nothing to stop them from claiming without basis that yesterday’s is as well."
I agree. However, if Abercrombie succeeds in showing the original (Hawii law may have to be changed in order to do that), the original will show exactly what the short-form certification of live birth shows, that Obama was born in Hawaii. The only thing that it will do in addition to that obvious fact is to confirm the statement of the former governor of Hawii, a Republican, that Obama was born in Kapiolani Hospital.
Are you joining the "birther" ranks Tyrone?
I saw G. Gordon Liddy on Hardball the other night. Liddy is a hard core birther. Just think about it... A convicted felon, who was found guilty of conspiring to subvert the America political process by breaking into your political opponents offices to steal information and corrupt the free election process!!
Oh well, who would know better than G. Gordon Liddy about how to cheat and subvert the rules. Uh-oh...I might be a birther too!
Good point Tyrone. A chinese who never entered Hawaii has a birth certificate from Hawaii. I can get one (smile
All it shows is being born nothing else.
No doctor's name or hospital. Maybe he was born with a home birther. His grandmother in Kenya said she was there when he was born in Kenya. She was hushed.
p allen "Are you joining the "birther" ranks Tyrone?"
I'm joining the same ranks as Chris Matthews is on the issue allen. Is Chris a birther in you eyes?
Let's assume Obama was born in Hawaii. WHO CARES!
Let's assume that Obama was born before Hawaii entered the statehood in 1959. Would that still make him legitimate to run for office?
Yet, people had questioned about Obama's running mate John McCain about his legalization as an American. He was born at a naval hospital in Panama when Panama was still a U.S. territory.
Right now, I am getting sick of hearing about Obama's birth.
The Constitution states that a person could only run for president if he or she was born in the United States. So, does that only mean the continental United States?
If McCain would have won the presidency, would anyone not shut up about his birthright?
Last time I heard, Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah wanted to ratify the Constitution so that foreign born Americans could run for President. Bad news Mr. Hatch: there will never be a President Schwarzenegger.
Obama's lied about everything else so I don't believe we should overlook the possibility that Obama is a foreign plant.
People who still cling to Obama's words. I must say there is no hope for them.
CB"I'm joining the same ranks as Chris Matthews is on the issue allen. Is Chris a birther in you eyes?".
Matthews has stated unequivocally that he believes President Obama was born in Hawaii and is an American citizen. What say you?
Frankly, there's only one person who knows for sure where any of us were born. That would be the woman that carried you, then squeezed you from her womb.
Re: "A chinese who never entered Hawaii has a birth certificate from Hawaii. I can get one (smile"
Answer: You are wrong. Hawaii does not issue, and never has issued, a birth certificate that says "born in Honolulu" on it unless there was proof that you or anyone was born in Honolulu. Obama's birth certificate says on it that he was born in Honolulu, and that is the fact that three officials in Hawaii have confirmed, and there is this witness, who recalls being told of Obama's birth in Hawaii in 1961 and writing home about it
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm
Also, there were notices of Obama's birth in the newspapers of Hawaii in 1961, and those notices were only official notices sent out by the government of Hawaii for births IN Hawaii. The notices were not sent out for births outside of Hawaii.
Obama was born in Hawaii.
Most Obama bots are gullible. I don't believe Obama was born in Hawaii because he's a proven liar and I believe the Hawaii certificate of Live birth is a political ploy to bury the important question of his legitimacy as president.
He shows more deference to foreign countries than the USA so I think those who still believe Obama is American are either in denial or need their heads examined.
If Obama is American born than he is the most disgusting traitor and wretch.
Re: "Most Obama bots are gullible. "
Most birthers are terribly gullible. A convicted felon claims to have gone to Kenya (but he never even showed proof that he had made that trip) and claims to have gotten Obama's birth certificate there, and it was proven to be forged in about 33 minutes, but some birthers still believe it.
There is an official birth certificate from Hawaii and three officials in the Hawaiian government (all members of a Republican administration) have confirmed the facts on it. Notices of Obama's birth were published in Hawaii newspapers in 1961, and those notices were not advertisements at the time. They were only official notices sent out by the department of vital records and only for births IN Hawaii.
For Obama to have been born in any other country than the USA requires the combination of travel by his mother during late pregnancy (unlikely because of the high expense and high risk) birth outside of Hawaii (even more unlikely), smuggling the child into the USA without a US travel document (extremely unlikely) and convincing the officials that he was born in Hawaii (also extremely unlikely). All of these would be required for there to be a reasonable case that he was born in any other country than the USA.
The willingness to believe that Obama was born outside of the USA despite these facts is is why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly all call birthers crazy.
Anon:
On the birth certificate there is no hospital or doctor's name.
A man born in China has a birth certificate from Hawaii. His sister has one too.
Barry Soetoro was his name in Indonesia and in 1981 when he went to Pakistan as a Muslikm as Americans were not allowed in Paki back then. Sorry you are wrong.
i do not understand never get it
some one with official paper work never show it either get to be president
where is he born on a video he said mi country kenia he was in Indonesia heard Hawaii
i don t know anymore.
alberto
Re: "Anon:
On the birth certificate there is no hospital or doctor's name."
Answer: That is right. The reason is that it is a short-form birth certificate. Most states have now adopted short-form birth certificates. Hawaii did so in 2001--and has not sent out the original birth certificate since then to anyone, even to people who were born before 2001. It is the facts on the birth certificate that are critical, and the facts on Obama's birth certificate were confirmed twice by the officials in Hawaii and once by the former governor of Hawaii, a Republican.
Re: "A man born in China has a birth certificate from Hawaii. His sister has one too."
Answer: If you are referring to Sun Yat Sen, that was in 1904--about sixty years before Obama was born. Things change in 60 years. Re: Obama's sister. You are out of date. It has been proven by a birther that Obama's sister does not have a Hawaii birth certificate; she does not even have a file in the birth certificate files.
Re: "Barry Soetoro was his name in Indonesia..."
Answer: He never officially changed his name while in Indonesia, and for that matter he was never a citizen of Indonesia, as a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy in Washington will confirm (ask for the press officer).
Re: "and in 1981 when he went to Pakistan as a Muslikm as Americans were not allowed in Paki baSorry you are wrong."
Answer: What gave you the absurd idea that Americans were not allowed in Pakistan in 1981? They were, and were welcomed with 30-day visas on arrival. Obama had had a US passport from the time that he returned from Indonesia to the USA by himself to attend high school. If at that time he had traveled on a foreign passport, he would have needed a US visa to get into the USA--and there is no record of him applying for one in Indonesia. And, by the way, the call to the Indonesian embassy will also show you that Obama never had an Indonesian passport.
For Obama to have been born in any other country than the USA requires the combination of:
(1) Travel by his mother during late pregnancy (highly unlikely because of the high expense and high risk of such a trip in 1961)
(2) Birth outside of Hawaii (also unlikely),
(3) Birth abroad despite the absence of any foreign documents or photographs showing either that Obama was born in a foreign country or that his mother was in the country at the time (highly unlikely)
(4) The willingness of the parents to lie about his place of birth (unlikely since it would be a crime to file a false government document, and the lie would be unnecessary since for most purposes naturalizing a foreign-born child would be just as good as his being born in the country)
(5) Successfully smuggling the child into the USA without a US travel document (extremely unlikely), and
(6) Convincing the officials in Hawaii that he was born in Hawaii (also extremely unlikely). ALL of these six things would be required for there to be a reasonable case that he was born in any other country than the USA. What are the odds of all six of them happening?
The willingness to believe that Obama was born outside of the USA despite the overwhelming odds against it and despite all the evidence (the official birth certificate, the confirmations and the witness) that he was born in Hawaii is why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly all call birthers crazy.
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