Baltimorons got what they wanted, but now it's not what they wanted?
Fewer blacks are being arrested here in Baltimore (the criminal ones). In some instances, the Baltimore Police have been reported to have simply be driving by even as crimes are happening right in front of them. It's the new unofficial era of "reactive policing" or what I like to call police "police self preservation". The drug dealers and the gangs are responsible and have been responsible for black lives not mattering in this city for decades. Now more then ever is that obvious truth being proven in blood. This month of May isn't even finished, yet 40 people have been killed in Baltimore making this the second most deadliest month in the city on record. As the Baltimore City Police have gone into reactive policing, arrests are down by over 50%. The problem with that drop in arrests is that the murderers aren't being arrested, so they are free to make Baltimore their personal shooting gallery. Just the other day in Southwest Baltimore a 32 year old mother and her 7 year old son were shot in the head execution style.
No rallies or calls for justice have been heard for the lives of this mother and her son or any of the other victims who have been killed since the National Guard pulled out of Baltimore City. I thought "black lives were suppose to matter" or something along those lines.
In certain parts of Baltimore it has become the Wild West. Criminals know that they have the upper hand knowing that cops are afraid to do their jobs, because the residents will surround them and film the cops trying to do their job in removing the murderous elements from their neighborhoods. Well now those elements aren't being arrested, because the morons and liberal politicians thought that those being arrested were simply innocent black men who were being harassed by the cops, well now they are learning otherwise the hard way, that wasn't the case, and their stupidity is coming home to roost for the entire nation to see.
No rallies or calls for justice have been heard for the lives of this mother and her son or any of the other victims who have been killed since the National Guard pulled out of Baltimore City. I thought "black lives were suppose to matter" or something along those lines.
In certain parts of Baltimore it has become the Wild West. Criminals know that they have the upper hand knowing that cops are afraid to do their jobs, because the residents will surround them and film the cops trying to do their job in removing the murderous elements from their neighborhoods. Well now those elements aren't being arrested, because the morons and liberal politicians thought that those being arrested were simply innocent black men who were being harassed by the cops, well now they are learning otherwise the hard way, that wasn't the case, and their stupidity is coming home to roost for the entire nation to see.
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 9:24 PM
21 Comments:
CB;"In some instances, the Baltimore Police have been reported to have simply be driving by even as crimes are happening right in front of them".
So the police are "literally, flagrantly, and with specific intent" not stopping crime when they see it? And you agree with it because of a stupid conservative ideological bent. And the only justification you have for people being killed (people just as black as you) is an ignorant idealistic view that "these people are getting what they wanted." Well... NO! Its the criminals who are getting what they wanted. Its the police that's getting what they wanted. And its "YOU" that's getting what "YOU" wanted. You have admitted that you support the officers actions (or for that matter, inaction's). Thus, like the police wanted crime to increase, its "YOU" who wanted it also.
Tyrone, on your last thread you asked; "Can you be arrested and possibly face time n prison "for" doing your job allen? Get back to me on that one." So I'm getting back to you... The fact is "ANYONE" can be arrested while doing their job. If you're PAID to do a job, you can be arrested and go to jail while doing it. All it takes is for you to be "NEGLIGENT" while doing your job, and someone dies because of that negligence. I mentioned a tow truck driver that killed a guy. That happened here in Detroit about 20 years ago. The tow driver was working for a repo company. The car owner told the driver he had items in the trunk. The driver claimed he didn't see the car owner removing items from the trunk and backed up the tow truck killing the owner. The tow truck driver was arrested, charged and found guilty of "negligence", lost his licence, and received 5 years probation.
Here is a story about a nursery school supervisor who was arrested and charged for "negligence" while doing her job. Perhaps you'd like all nursery school supervisors to follow the Baltimore Police model?
While I do agree with some that the prosecutor may have "over-charged" the officers, I'm not of the opinion that they should have not been charged at all. I believe that the death of Freddy Gray was a result of "wanton negligence." It appears to me that there was intentional reckless disregard on the part of the officers involved. Moreover, I agree with you that Mayor Rawlings-Blake is incompetent. She should have "day-one" immediately fired the officers involved in the arrest. I believe firing the officers from the outset would have giving the community some assurance that city officials were taking Gray's death seriously.
But to agree with police who intentionally allow violent criminal activity is pure insanity. It does appear that (as you say) the Baltimore police are complicit in the increase of violent crime. If the fools in the street have made it bad for the rest of the Baltimore residents, why should police do the same? My mother used to ask me; "what's worse than one fool?" Her answer... "TWO!" So Baltimore is truly now a "City of Fools." Of course that would be the criminals, the mayor, the police... and of course you're free to add your name to the list.
Black lives only matter when it's a cop doing the killing.
Otherwise, when a criminal is doing the killing . . . :hears crickets:
Anon;"Black lives only matter when it's a cop doing the killing. Otherwise, when a criminal is doing the killing . . . :hears crickets:".
If you saw a "criminal" shove your "black" neighbor into the back of a vehicle, and a day later I found that your neighbor's neck had been broken, and he subsequently dies, who would you call to see that your neighbor's death wouldn't be in vain? Baltimore Police?
Conservatives assert that black lives don't seem to matter when its black on black crime. Could it be that black lives don't matter to conservatives when a black life is taken while in police custody? Or is it that black life doesn't matter at all to conservatives?
"Baltimorons" LOL! I like the new demonym.
First, citizens complain about cops doing their job, now they are complaining that they are not doing their job? What do they want? I hate to say this, since these are the people who spouted out their anti-cop agenda,they brought this onto themselves. I wonder if those who were killed were also the ones who participated in the riots weeks earlier? Talk about karma. I wonder if Marilyn Mosby is going to seek justice for them? The way I see it, innocent people like the mother and son who were murdered, blood is on the hands of Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake for ordering her police officers to stand down during the riot and Marilyn Mosby for threatening cops with prosecution for doing their job.
Anyway, while cities like Baltimore, Detroit, and Chicago are run by progressives and letting their cities fall to pieces, what's it going to take for the residence to wake and smell the coffee and to stop electing these officials who follow the same agendas like their predecessors? New York City was going all to hell through progressive rule until Rudy Giuliani was elected and the crime rate has dropped. Now it looks like it's going back the way it was before Giuliani took over.
-BP
"Baltimorons" -- clever but sad! I am horrified by all the violent crime that has gone on this past month alone, but like you said, Tyrone, if people are going to insist the cops are the real criminals, and attack them even, well, ok then. You want the cops to back off. Message received. How's that working out for you?
The first poster who accused you of "a stupid conservative ideological bent" is off base. If you tell the doctor "I'm sick, but I don't want any medicine," he is under no obligation to force any down your throat. Indeed, if he did, he could be charged with a crime. The police are there if you call them. If you attack them and threaten them and don't call them, how are they magically supposed to fight crime?
"Baltimorons" -- clever but sad! I am horrified by all the violent crime that has gone on this past month alone, but like you said, Tyrone, if people are going to insist the cops are the real criminals, and attack them even, well, ok then. You want the cops to back off. Message received. How's that working out for you?
The first poster who accused you of "a stupid conservative ideological bent" is off base. If you tell the doctor "I'm sick, but I don't want any medicine," he is under no obligation to force any down your throat. Indeed, if he did, he could be charged with a crime. The police are there if you call them. If you attack them and threaten them and don't call them, how are they magically supposed to fight crime?
If you saw a "criminal" shove your "black" neighbor into the back of a vehicle, and a day later I found that your neighbor's neck had been broken, and he subsequently dies, who would you call to see that your neighbor's death wouldn't be in vain? Baltimore Police?
Conservatives assert that black lives don't seem to matter when its black on black crime. Could it be that black lives don't matter to conservatives when a black life is taken while in police custody? Or is it that black life doesn't matter at all to conservatives?
Yes, keep dancing around the issue that many more Blacks die at the hands of other blacks than to cops. It's easier to avoid the truth than to confront it.
It's much easier to blame the cops and conservatives to you.
See a conservative would say "ALL LIVES MATTER" and try to find out why so many blacks are being killed--not just by cops since that's such a small percentage of them.
But instead as you've proven by your comments, only "BLACK LIVES MATTER" when they're killed by a cop.
Miss Marty;"The first poster who accused you of "a stupid conservative ideological bent" is off base. If you tell the doctor "I'm sick, but I don't want any medicine," he is under no obligation to force any down your throat. Indeed, if he did, he could be charged with a crime".
Not too "smarty" Miss Marty...
First off, its not a doctors job to force an American citizen to do anything, let alone take medication. That being said, what does a doctor forcing medication on a person have to do with the price of tea in China? Simply put, your analogy is completely "off base." However, I will add this! The "state" or federal government is empowered to "FORCE" someone into isolation or quarantine with an infectious disease, and in some cases mental illness if that person is deemed dangerous to others. But yet again, that's beside the point of this conversation.
I completely understand what the Baltimore police are doing. I just don't accept it, and believe that its not a rational response. The Baltimore cops are saying (according to Tyrone, who lives there) that they are not being supported by the city leadership. Fine, the police believe the leadership is acting "stupidly." Yet it doesn't make the situation better if the cops act "foolish" also. What you have now is "two" fools. The saying goes, "never argue with fools", because the sane people of Baltimore can't tell the difference...
My point is as follows; Why should city leadership support police officers who arrested a suspect, placed him into their custody (handcuffed and shackled), and that suspect's neck was broken and subsequently died? If I were the mayor I would have fired the officers who were directly involved in the arrest and detention of Freddy Gray.
As to your "off base" analogy, my analogy was in response to Tyrone asking if someone could be fired for doing their job. A nursery school supervisor was arrested and charged (while doing her job) for not preventing the abuse of two children. The children were harmed while they were in her care. Freddy Gray was harmed while in custody of the Baltimore police. Thus, a child is not placed in Day Care with the belief that the other children will beat them and harm them. In parallel, a suspect isn't arrested and detained with the belief that his neck will be broken and he could die. Can you see the correlation of variables in that analogy?
Big Pop;" New York City was going all to hell through progressive rule until Rudy Giuliani was elected and the crime rate has dropped. Now it looks like it's going back the way it was before Giuliani took over".
So you think crime began to drop "after" Giuliani was elected? Can you prove that? Are there "ANY" credible statistics that you can post a link to that "proves" New York crime began to drop after Giuliani was elected.
Well.... I do have statistics that show that your assertion is not true. According to The Disaster Center, their statistics shows that crime in New York City began a drastic decline in 1992, two years before Giuliani took office. That decline has continued as of the centers last reported in 2013.
Well, now Baltimore Attorney Marilyn Mosby wants a protective order to conceal from the public, the autopsy report AND related medical records on Freddie Gray. One of the ongoing rally points of the fake “Hands Up Don't Shoot / Black Lives Matter,” etc. movement has been, openness and transparency. Wonder why Mosby wants the details to stay hidden from the world?
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/baltimore-atty-mosby-seeks-order-keep-freddie-gray-autopsy-secret
p allen said "
So the police are "literally, flagrantly, and with specific intent" not stopping crime when they see it? And you agree with it because of a stupid conservative ideological bent. And the only justification you have for people being killed (people just as black as you) is an ignorant idealistic view that "these people are getting what they wanted." Well... NO! Its the criminals who are getting what they wanted. Its the police that's getting what they wanted. And its "YOU" that's getting what "YOU" wanted. You have admitted that you support the officers actions (or for that matter, inaction's). Thus, like the police wanted crime to increase, its "YOU" who wanted it also. "
I agree with the Baltimore Police, because I would do the same thing if I were in their shoes. This is why the cops are being reactive in their policing . Check this out. A street hood here in Baltimore was being arrested by the police, as soon as the criminal saw the cameraman from WMAR TV 2 he tried to pretend the cops harmed This is what Baltimore Cops have to deal with That suspect sure looked healthy just just a few minutes prior to his mysterious collapse, what do you thin happened allen? Are you naive enough to truly believe that every black person who is arrested and claim they are abused or harassed were?
p allen "The fact is "ANYONE" can be arrested while doing their job. If you're PAID to do a job, you can be arrested and go to jail while doing it."
A criminal can bang their own head against the inside of a police car to cause themselves to bleed, so that when they get to the police station, they can then claim that the cops beat them up. So with out video to prove what happened, who are black anti cop agitators likely to believe the cop or 2, the criminal?
p allen " My mother used to ask me; "what's worse than one fool?" Her answer... "TWO!" So Baltimore is truly now a "City of Fools." Of course that would be the criminals, the mayor, the police... and of course you're free to add your name to the list."
Thanks but I'll pass, you can fill in your name as a substitute of course. I'm far from a fool. A fool would champion the death of a poison pushing heorine dealer. That wasn't me. A fool would destroy and rob their own community. That wasn't me. A fool would claim that the biggest threat to black lives is the cops, that isn't me. So as I said, feel free to add you name to the fool's list allen, you can borrow my pen. lol
Anonymous said "Black lives only matter when it's a cop doing the killing. Otherwise, when a criminal is doing the killing . . . :hears crickets"
And those crickets are deafening when the shooters are black. Over 45 murders in the month of May here in Baltimore. That made for the second most deadliest month ever. All the victims were "black", and the shooters were black. Nope, Black Lives matter didn't come to Baltimore to speak out against the violence nor did any other so called "black leader" The national media what covered Freddie Gray almost none stop has barely mentioned the violence here in Harm City.
p allen responding to anonymous "
Conservatives assert that black lives don't seem to matter when its black on black crime. Could it be that black lives don't matter to conservatives when a black life is taken while in police custody? Or is it that black life doesn't matter at all to conservatives? "
Black lives seem to matter more to conservatives then liberal allen. Look at the people who are killing off blacks, do you think they align with conservatives or liberals? What would you say the percentage of blacks who have killed other blacks who would say they support Democrats and Obama? I would way 99.99% I will go out on a very thin limb ans say that the blacks who are gunning down blacks like flies aren't aligned with conservatives, the Republican Party not the Tea Party but they are supporters of liberals.
Miss Marty said..."Baltimorons" -- clever but sad! I am horrified by all the violent crime that has gone on this past month alone, but like you said, Tyrone, if people are going to insist the cops are the real criminals, and attack them even, well, ok then. You want the cops to back off. Message received. How's that working out for you?"
Thank You Miss Marty, lol. These people have proven themselves to be worthy of the name Baltimorons. They are too stupid to realize who the criminal are and who are the ones who are more likely to kill them. Now the Baltimorons are learning the truth
Allen-"So you think crime began to drop "after" Giuliani was elected? Can you prove that? Are there "ANY" credible statistics that "proves" that crime began to drop after Giuliani was elected.
Mayor Rudy Giuliani's tenure as mayor (1994-2001). Yeah, after looking at the statistics you posted from The Disaster Center, Allen? Did you read it? It would appear that under Giuliani, violent crime overall dropped 57%, robbery at 67% murder down 65%, and shootings dropped to 72%. I find that very impressive compare that of his predecessor David Dinkins (1990-1993). After Giuliani, it would appear that crime in NYC has been stabilized under Michael Bloomberg.
As for my concern about it going back before Giuliani took over, since the Ferguson incident, Bill De Blasio threw his police department under the bus just to appease the anti-cop crowd in sake of his biracial son. Because of that, two cops were assassinated.
-BP
CB;" street hood here in Baltimore was being arrested by the police, as soon as the criminal saw the cameraman from WMAR TV 2 he tried to pretend the cops harmed ".
Really bad acting job on the idiot perpetrators part... Question: Is the perp still alive? Did his faking an injury cause his neck to get broken, and later die from the injury?
CB;"So with out video to prove what happened, who are black anti cop agitators likely to believe the cop or 2, the criminal?".
Exactly! Very true! Without video ideological sides will choose who they want to believe. You choose to believe what conservative pundits want you to believe. You believe that Mike Brown did not have his hands up because the "African Americans" the conservatives chose to believe testified that Brown didn't have his hands up. Do you believe (as come conservatives do) that Freddy Gray broke his own neck?
CB;" A fool would claim that the biggest threat to black lives is the cops, that isn't me".
Only a fool would believe that the "biggest threat to blacks" is the police. Who ever believes that is an idiot. What I'd like for you to do Tyrone, is post a quote from any black political figure or prominent pundit that has stated that the biggest threat to black is the police. I'll wait for that response....
In my opinion, the biggest threat to blacks is indeed "other blacks." That could either be; The black murderous street punk criminal. The self serving black politician. The black person who's willing to destroy other blacks based on an ideology, or just to be in the good graces of non-blacks. And that would also include blacks who are "the police."
Another "biggest threats to black lives" (and again, there are many), is the idea that blacks cannot, or should not be in control of our own political, economic, educational and social affairs and order. Here is FOX News's black conservative political pundit and blogger Kevin Jackson of The BlackSphere dot com stating that Baltimore needs a "White Republican Mayor."
Jackson has also stated that the country needs a White Republican President. He believes that a White Republican (a White Male Republican) is best to fix that which ill's black communities. In his essay he uses misleading data analysis and non-factual rhetoric to bolster his claims. Jackson attempt to place Ronald Reagan as some sort of "savior" of crowning achievement to the ills of black unemployment. Yet the factual data shows that in the first 58 months of Ronald Reagan's presidency the ratio disparity between black white unemployment had grown at a greater rate than the presidents that followed him. Conservatives assertion on black unemployment is dubious at best.
I agree that only a fool would "champion drug dealers, destroy their own communities, or believe that the police are the biggest threat to black lives." Yet I also believe that only a fool would champion the idea that a "White Republican" is best for black political, economic, educational, and social well being in this country. Kevin Jackson has already put himself on that fools list. I have a pen... would you like to add your name also Tyrone?
Here's a senseless murder in Jersey City...
Darcel Rivers, Son of Jersey City Fire Chief, Robbed, Shot in Back of the Head
...do "Black Lives Matter" here? Are there going to be protests?
Anon;"Yes, keep dancing around the issue that many more Blacks die at the hands of other blacks than to cops. It's easier to avoid the truth than to confront it".
FACT: More American blacks are killed by other American blacks than any other race, religion, creed, or, local, state or government police agencies. Does that satisfy your questions?
Now, answer the question; If you saw a "criminal" shove your "black" neighbor into the back of a vehicle, and a day later I found that your neighbor's neck had been broken, and he subsequently dies, who would you call to see that your neighbor's death wouldn't be in vain? Baltimore Police?
Anon;"See a conservative would say "ALL LIVES MATTER".
If you really think that conservatives believe that "ALL LIVES MATTER", post a link to one prominent conservative that supports the Black Lives Matter Movement. Black lives are indeed part of "ALL LIVES", so show a prominent conservative politician or pundit that supports the movement. Lets be honest here. Every American harbors a certain level of bias. Why would a black life matter (or any life) if you see that life as a threat to your personal well being?
Anon;"and try to find out why so many blacks are being killed--not just by cops since that's such a small percentage of them".
Black on Black crime is a peculiarity which has its force based on proximity. Simply put, when a class of people of a particular race (a race steeped in poverty), are kept separate, uneducated, economically and spiritually deprived and not socialized within the greater community, there will be crime and mayhem. Thus, whomever puts themselves within that mix of a deprived economy, lack of opportunity and culture, they too will be subjected to that crime.
In all honesty, black lives should matter to blacks FIRST AND FOREMOST. I support the Black Lives Matter Movement because too many black lives are being lost at the hands of other blacks. I support it because too many lives are lost because of the lack of education, health care, social structure, misguided culture, and yes POLICE BRUTALITY also.
Crime in Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans, etc... has always been higher than the overall national average. I'm a black man in my early-60's. I've lived through and seen the crime, uprisings and unrest in the City of Detroit. The fact is that "conservatives" historically have not trusted, and/or demonized "Black centered movements" of any kind. In the 1960's and 70's conservatives (then Democrats) had disdain for the Black Civil Rights Movement. Today, its Black Lives Matter. The Civil Rights Movement was clouded, and at times overshadowed by the civil disobedience and riots. The Black Lives Matter movement shares the same.
Big Pop;"Mayor Rudy Giuliani's tenure as mayor (1994-2001). Yeah, after looking at the statistics you posted from The Disaster Center, Allen? Did you read it? It would appear that under Giuliani, violent crime overall dropped 57%, etc...".
This is what you wrote Big Pop; " New York City was going all to hell through progressive rule until Rudy Giuliani was elected and the crime rate has dropped".
"Until Giuliani was elected", to me means that crime did not "begin" to fall "until" he was elected. I'm asking you to "prove" that statement as being a fact. In plain terms, look up statistics showing that crime did not "began to drop" until Giuliani was elected. Post a link to stats showing that as a fact.
Oh, I see what you are talking about Allen. You suggested what I meant was that crime went down the day after Election Day, crime went down under Rudy Giuliani.
Maybe I should have wrote, "Crime was getting out of control in NYC under the leadership of David Dinkin, and the voters decided on a fresh start and to elect a conservative like Rudy Giuliani. After Giuliani was inaugurated into office the following January, under his tenure, crime in NYC dropped."
-BP
FACT: More American blacks are killed by other American blacks than any other race, religion, creed, or, local, state or government police agencies
Thank you for letting me know I'm right.
Now, answer the question; If you saw a "criminal" shove your "black" neighbor into the back of a vehicle, and a day later I found that your neighbor's neck had been broken, and he subsequently dies, who would you call to see that your neighbor's death wouldn't be in vain? Baltimore Police?
Truthfully if my "neighbor" was known for breaking the law, I wouldn't really care. I don't really care for people who wish to break the law repeatedly.
Now, that being said, I fully support the prosecution of these officers in Baltimore. For if they are criminals as well, justice needs to be served.
Does that mean, what's happening now in Baltimore that Tyrone is posting about should be happening? HELL NO
Should there have been riots, beating up innocent bystanders and destroying of businesses that had nothing to do with that crime? HELL NO
Should Black communities do more to keep youths from breaking the law and killing each other? HELL YES
I hope we can find some middle ground here rather than constantly pointing fingers because that gets us nowhere.
Big Pop;"Maybe I should have wrote, "Crime was getting out of control in NYC under the leadership of David Dinkin, and the voters decided on a fresh start and to elect a conservative like Rudy Giuliani. After Giuliani was inaugurated into office the following January, under his tenure, crime in NYC dropped".
That's an accurate and fair assessment. However, let's add more context....
Although crime dropped during Mayor Giuliani's tenure, his supports must bear in mind that; "Under Dinkins' Safe Streets, Safe Cities program, crime in New York City decreased more dramatically and more rapidly, both in terms of actual numbers and percentage, than at any time in modern New York City history. The rates of most crimes, including all categories of violent crime, made consecutive declines during the last two years of his four year term, ending a 30-year upward spiral and initiating a trend of falling rates that continued beyond his term."
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