The aftermath of the death of Freddy Gray
Ok everyone, here it is. I'm sure by now a lot of you have heard about what has been going on here in Baltimore in regards to the death of a drug dealing suspect by the name of Freddie Gray. The national media has blanked the nation with this story for the last week, because the suspect was black and also in the manner into how he was injured in police custody inside a Paddy Wagon and ultimately died a few days later.
Though I believe the people who are protesting over the drug dealing suspect Freddy Gray are fake in their support, because they would never protest if he was killed on the streets of Baltimore by another black thug or drug dealer, they still do have the right to protest regardless, "as long as it's peaceful". Today in downtown however, protesters decided to vandalize cars, set a car on fire, block the light rail from moving with passengers on it, looting several stores and trying to stop people from attending the Orioles vs Red Sox game etc. Oh yeah, the peaceful protesters decided to take a break from their protesting and decided to loot a 7-11 on Howard Street. I guess their thinking was "No Justice, No Slurpees"! The mobs in downtown Baltimore concentrating on Oriole Park at Camden Yards, the local media was providing non stop coverage of the standoff between Baltimore Police and the protesters for almost 8 hours! I have to give the local news outlets here some credit for how they were presenting some of the protesters as being outside instigators and agitators with some trying to egg on the cops in order to get into allocations. In a very rare case of support, I support Congressman Elijah Cummings and Mayor Stephanie Rawlings Blake in claiming that Baltimore residents should shun any outsiders who are coming to Baltimore for the purpose of causing trouble. What does vandalizing and looting have to do with the investigation into the death of Freddie Gray?
The answer of course is, "it doesn't". As if Baltimore didn't have enough problems on it's plate before the death of Freddie Gray, now it has to contend with this.Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural born stupidity. Today stupidity embarrassed itself greatly for all the nation to see. A Russian news porter for the Russian Times was robbed by the peaceful advocates of Freddie Gray. It's sad that it happened, but I am not surprised. These reporters who are foreigners didn't know not to bring protection when entering an urban jungle neighborhood at nighttime in Baltimore.
Though I believe the people who are protesting over the drug dealing suspect Freddy Gray are fake in their support, because they would never protest if he was killed on the streets of Baltimore by another black thug or drug dealer, they still do have the right to protest regardless, "as long as it's peaceful". Today in downtown however, protesters decided to vandalize cars, set a car on fire, block the light rail from moving with passengers on it, looting several stores and trying to stop people from attending the Orioles vs Red Sox game etc. Oh yeah, the peaceful protesters decided to take a break from their protesting and decided to loot a 7-11 on Howard Street. I guess their thinking was "No Justice, No Slurpees"! The mobs in downtown Baltimore concentrating on Oriole Park at Camden Yards, the local media was providing non stop coverage of the standoff between Baltimore Police and the protesters for almost 8 hours! I have to give the local news outlets here some credit for how they were presenting some of the protesters as being outside instigators and agitators with some trying to egg on the cops in order to get into allocations. In a very rare case of support, I support Congressman Elijah Cummings and Mayor Stephanie Rawlings Blake in claiming that Baltimore residents should shun any outsiders who are coming to Baltimore for the purpose of causing trouble. What does vandalizing and looting have to do with the investigation into the death of Freddie Gray?
The answer of course is, "it doesn't". As if Baltimore didn't have enough problems on it's plate before the death of Freddie Gray, now it has to contend with this.Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural born stupidity. Today stupidity embarrassed itself greatly for all the nation to see. A Russian news porter for the Russian Times was robbed by the peaceful advocates of Freddie Gray. It's sad that it happened, but I am not surprised. These reporters who are foreigners didn't know not to bring protection when entering an urban jungle neighborhood at nighttime in Baltimore.
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 1:08 AM
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Well stated!
The protesters with good intent are allowing anarchists to set the agenda and minimize their message.
Tyrone: "In a very rare case of support, I support Congressman Elijah Cummings and Mayor Stephanie Rawlings Blake in claiming that Baltimore residents should shun any outsiders who are coming to Baltimore for the purpose of causing trouble."
Tyrone, this is one of those cases where words mean very little. Both of these individuals (Rep. Cummings aka "Obama's lapdog" and Mayor Rawlings-Blake aka "Mayor Maybelline") who I already hold in very low regard made these comments as noted agitator Malik 'Zulu' Shabazz (New Black Panthers, Black Lawyers for Justice) held a press conference days prior to the protest stating he and his group were coming to town and literally advocating physical harm to and murder of police officers, rioting, looting, and violence. We heard days prior that they were going to shut Baltimore down.
What I saw last night (robberies, looting, destruction of property, bodily harm to police and others, fights between protesters and those downtown to watch the game, blocking traffic, etc) which culminated with fans being told not to leave Camden Yards after game for their own safety was a disgrace. And the majority of thugs carrying out these acts were not from out of town, but were thugs who lived in and around the area.
I'll add more later on this issue as things progress, but let me leave with saying this what the Mayor and her dimwitted police commissioner (Batts) asked for months ago if you recall their actions and comments in light of the Michael Brown incident in Ferguson.
Tyrone, I see you just added the tape of the reporter for the Russian Times that was mugged while filming these feral thugs. Yeah, just a bunch of out-of-towners causing trouble.
Phil said " Tyrone, I see you just added the tape of the reporter for the Russian Times that was mugged while filming these feral thugs. Yeah, just a bunch of out-of-towners causing trouble."
True, outsiders can't be blamed for this, and I am starting to have my doubts that it was mostly outsiders responsible for the damage and violence that occurred yesterday. Since there is no way for the Baltimore Police to determine which individuals who vandalized and looted and caused trouble were outsiders until they are arrested, it can't be said with 100% certainty that they were "outsiders". Besides it is easier politically for the mayor and city officials to blame "outsiders" then it is for them to condemn Baltimore citizens who may have been apart of this, because they have the power to vote in city elections whereas outsiders don't. As for the Russian media crew who covered the story and the reporter who was robbed, they should have done their research into the area they were going. Think of Baltimore as Iraq. Downtown and other areas like Federal Hill, Canton, Locus Point, Fellls Point, Roland Park, Gillford, etc are typically like what the Green Zone is in Iraq. Venture out of the Green Zone and all bets are off. The crew from RT found out that they weren't in a green zone the hard way.
Phil "Tyrone, this is one of those cases where words mean very little. Both of these individuals (Rep. Cummings aka "Obama's lapdog" and Mayor Rawlings-Blake aka "Mayor Maybelline") who I already hold in very low regard made these comments as noted agitator Malik 'Zulu' Shabazz (New Black Panthers, Black Lawyers for Justice) held a press conference days prior to the protest stating he and his group were coming to town and literally advocating physical harm to and murder of police officers, rioting, looting, and violence. We heard days prior that they were going to shut Baltimore down."
I have to agree totally on that. Mayor Blake gave a very WEAK AND PATHETIC response to what ahppened. She said "I was profoundly DISAPPOINTED". Disappointed?! These low life ghetto scumbags just gave Baltimore a black eye on the national stage, and all she could come up with is say she was "profoundly disappointed" in how some acted?!
That sounded like something a mother would say to their children. I would have said as Mayor "I am severely pissed off at how these low life hooligans carried on yesterday", and there WILL NOT BE A REPEAT OF SUCH ACTIONS AGAIN GOING FORWARD"! The difference between a liberal response to dealing with hoodrats and one coming from a conservative. Since there is a ton of video evidence of these hood rats looting and vandalizing, I would be very curious to see if the Baltimore PD tries to find the goons and arrest them.
Phil said "What I saw last night (robberies, looting, destruction of property, bodily harm to police and others, fights between protesters and those downtown to watch the game, blocking traffic, etc) which culminated with fans being told not to leave Camden Yards after game for their own safety was a disgrace. And the majority of thugs carrying out these acts were not from out of town, but were thugs who lived in and around the area."
Since they got away with holding people hostage in their own cars, they will most likely will try and do it again. The local reporters who had a ground and helicopter view reported how some protesters were trying to agitate police officers into arrest them by spiting and throwing objects at them, so they could then claim police brutality once the police responded. I believe they didn't do much yesterday to garner much sympathy for Freddie Gray, because most of the negative feelings by working class law abiding citizens was aimed at the protesters who were seen looting, attacking citizens and vandalizing cars. Commissioner Batts doesn't want to come off sounding hard on the protesters who were responsible for the violence yesterday, because his police department is under investigation over the Freddie Gray incident, also he doesn't want Mayor Blake to get any more pressure then she already is getting by the social agitators to have him fired.
CB;"Oh yeah, the peaceful protesters decided to take a break from their protesting and decided to loot a 7-11 on Howard Street. I guess their thinking was "No Justice, No Slurpees"! ".
Tyrone, you had me giving your essay even handed credit up until that statement. Peaceful protesters don't loot and riot. Hooligans and criminals loot and riot. So are you implying that "all" the protesters, or even a majority are rioting? Is that the message you're attempting to send?
In the first video you posted I saw perhaps 10 or 20 idiots smashing police cars and acting like wild animals. In the second video there was about 15 or 20 young boys showing out for the camera until one fool grabs something from the reporters and runs. In my opinion (as well as any honest non-bias individual), a few fools among a peaceful protest, doesn't amount to an entire protest being branded as not being peaceful.
There still seems to be a lot of unanswered questions surrounding the death of Freddie Gray. My first question is one that most people would ask. That is, why was he arrested? Secondly, what crime did he commit? Most importantly, how did his neck get broken while he was in police custody?
The fact that he was a suspected drug dealer doesn't answer any of those questions. Being a "suspected drug dealer" should not be a cause for arrest and subsequently dying from having your neck broken.
A recent police encounter video showed New Richmond, OH police officer Jesse Kidder taking great restraint from shooting an unarmed murder suspect. The murder suspect repeatedly charged the officer yelling to shoot him. Yet the officer did not, and subsequently placed the man under arrest.
Compare the actions of officer Kidder with the actions of the officer that killed Walter Scott, the officer that shot and wounded Levar Jones, the officer who killed Jonathan Ferrell, the officer who choked and killed Eric Garner, and the officer who brutally beat Floyd Dent. One has to ask, comparably, what distinct differences were involved in their decisions to shoot, kill or beat their suspects?
p allen said "Tyrone, you had me giving your essay even handed credit up until that statement. Peaceful protesters don't loot and riot. Hooligans and criminals loot and riot. So are you implying that "all" the protesters, or even a majority are rioting? Is that the message you're attempting to send?"
I thought I was being tongue and cheek when I said that, oh well.I even stated as much that people have the right to protest civilly and that all the protesters weren't criminals, but as you know a few bad apples can give the impression that the barrel is full of rotten ones. It's not like you or others haven't used that same train of thought in regards to the Tea Party but anyways. As for the reporter who was robbed, let's be real, there only needs to be one person to rob a person out of a gang. Besides I doubt that anyone of those people tried to stop that guy to get her back her stuff, because they are all friends.
p allen "There still seems to be a lot of unanswered questions surrounding the death of Freddie Gray. My first question is one that most people would ask. That is, why was he arrested? Secondly, what crime did he commit? Most importantly, how did his neck get broken while he was in police custody?"
It's irrelevant at this point to exactly why he was arrested. The fact is that Freddie Gray was alive, alert and breathing when he entered the paddy wagon with his spinal cored intact, and he was unconscious and not breathing with his spinal cord severed when paramedics arrived. Now there is a possibility that the cops didn't buckle him up, and he was slung around in the back of the paddy wagon on purpose, but this is just me speculating. Commissioner Batts said that their investigation should be completely by Friday, so we'll see.
p allen "The fact that he was a suspected drug dealer doesn't answer any of those questions. Being a "suspected drug dealer" should not be a cause for arrest and subsequently dying from having your neck broken."
If you are seen dealing drugs, you are seen as being a suspect, until the proof verifies you has doing it. Then you were proven to have done what you were charged in doing. That is why a person in the court of law is considered innocent until proven guilty of a particular charge.
CB;"I thought I was being tongue and cheek when I said that, oh well.I even stated as much that people have the right to protest civilly and that all the protesters weren't criminals, but as you know a few bad apples can give the impression that the barrel is full of rotten ones".
Ooooohhh... the ole' tongue in cheek response? That's cool. It's just what a little mayhem calls for! I guess its like telling American Christians that they shouldn't "lose their heads" over the mayhem of ISIS Muslims in Iraq and Syria.
CB;"It's irrelevant at this point to exactly why he was arrested".
Irrelevant???? If the police stopped, detained and arrested your mother, are you telling me you wouldn't ASK, or even be concerned as to why? And God forbid that she would wind up with a broken neck and die. In your opinion, it wouldn't matter why she was detained in the first place?
What kind of society do you want? Obviously you don't agree with the constitutional standard (I believe its the 4th amendment) of "probable cause" when it comes to arresting a possible suspect. If you see no need for probable cause, police (ie; the government) would be allowed to detain, arrest and charge whom ever they choose, and wouldn't have to tell you why you're being arrested.
Methinks you didn't think that assertion through Tyrone. In court, a defense lawyer would make a prosecutor look like a damn fool on a claim that arresting "anybody for any reason" is IRRELEVANT!
CB;"The fact is that Freddie Gray was alive, alert and breathing when he entered the paddy wagon with his spinal cored intact, and he was unconscious and not breathing with his spinal cord severed when paramedics arrived".
Gray was arrested and injured while in police custody on April 12th. He died 7 days later. It just seems a bit odd that there had not been any police internal investigation as to how Gray became injured over that 7 day period. In the police shooting death of Walter Scott, the police department issued a statement the next day as to how he died. (even though a video two days later showed a different story)
I'm not going to speculate on how Gray sustained a broken spine. However, the fact that the police department has had almost 3 weeks, and have yet to give a definitive explanation as to even "how" Gray was injured shows a level of incompetence on behalf of the Baltimore Police Department.
Look at it this way... A Police Department is paid by your tax dollars to investigate crime. Let's say the police take an injured person to the hospital, and allowed time for an examination (an hour or so), its determined that the injured person has a broken spine. How difficult should it be to determine "HOW" this injured persons spine got broken if the injury occurred while the person was IN POLICE CUSTODY? I can easily understand weeks or years of investigation if the person were found in a secluded wooded area miles away from civilization. But to have arrested him and have him in your custody, yet they say they don't know? Either they're stupid, or they're lying.
How do you like your hometown, Tyrone?
Tyrone, I don't know if you caught the Mayor's press conference yesterday where she told reporters that she gave instructions for the police to protect the rights of the "protesters" and made the outrageous comment about "giving those who wished to destroy the space to do that". Yes, she said this - a day after businesses and private property were vandalized, looted and destroyed (went past the Howard Street - Eutaw Street corridor on my way to work this morning, and a lot of the businesses had boarded up doors and windows), and the police and private citizens were physically assaulted.
This further demonstrates the convoluted thinking of bleeding-heart liberals such as the mayor. In their minds, it’s only a few windows or property that can be replaced - nothing worth a life. She has absolutely no concept of insurance premiums, deductibles and other costs (i.e. labor) associated with replacing and repairing things. She also has no concept of what it is like invest your time, effort and money into running a business only to have thugs destroy what you have worked hard to build.
If she had a spine, she would have said this to the face of the owner of the 7-11 across from the arena that was destroyed (not only did the thugs clean it out but they also took the cash register) and who doesn't even know if his insurance will cover his losses.
ACM comment: “Mayor Blake gave a very WEAK AND PATHETIC response to what ahppened. She said "I was profoundly DISAPPOINTED". Disappointed?! “
“The Death of Outrage” is a 1998 book by William J. Bennett, who was in the cabinets of the elder Bush and of Reagan. Bennett applies the scandals of Bill and Hillary Clinton, as further breaking of the moral compass of many Americans. After the Clinton - Lewinsky episode even schoolchildren were saying “oral sex is not sex.” Overlooking and giving a pass to people who support / vote for the same agenda, was becoming more common among democrats (and republicans too). What use to be called “shameful, immoral, whorish” instead gets “glorified” everyday now in the press. Yet the same people torpedo and demonize holders of conservative principles as “haters, crazy, against the poor.”
Another moral offset is the use of the word “tragedy.” 9/11 was NOT a tragedy. 9/11 was a pre-planned suicidal mass-murdering abomination. When a bridge collapses due to structural weakness and motorists drop into the water and die, THAT is a tragedy.
That woman “disappointed” at the looting in Baltimore is part of the screwed up mental and emotional amoral state that now hoovers in the minds of many.
Isaiah 5:20 says, Woe [trouble] unto them that call evil good, and good evil ...”
Methuselah Renard said "
How do you like your hometown, Tyrone?"
lol, I tolerate it. My ultimate goal is to re locate to Florida, but for now I'm just here.
p allen "Irrelevant???? If the police stopped, detained and arrested your mother, are you telling me you wouldn't ASK, or even be concerned as to why? And God forbid that she would wind up with a broken neck and die. In your opinion, it wouldn't matter why she was detained in the first place?"
Freddie Gray and others ran from the police. If he had nothing to hide was merely talking to a friend, there would have been no reason to run. When you run from the police, that alone raises suspicion. As for my mother, she wouldn't stand on the corner of a frequent drug area for starters. Second, she has never had a criminal record. Third, my mother wouldn't even think about running from the police. I guess that could be because my mother taught me to stay out of trouble, don't hang around bad elements and to respect law enforcement.
p allen "Gray was arrested and injured while in police custody on April 12th. He died 7 days later. It just seems a bit odd that there had not been any police internal investigation as to how Gray became injured over that 7 day period. In the police shooting death of Walter Scott, the police department issued a statement the next day as to how he died. (even though a video two days later showed a different story)"
Actually it isn't odd when you actually think about it. Any investigation from the Baltimore Police is going to be considered bias and very suspect by the Freddie Gray family, friends and fake supporters. The only investigation they will maybe accept is one that is independent of the BCP. There are 4 individual investigations going on right now into his death.
Tyrone, I don't know if you caught the Mayor's press conference yesterday where she told reporters that she gave instructions for the police to protect the rights of the "protesters" and made the outrageous comment about "giving those who wished to destroy the space to do that". Yes, she said this - a day after businesses and private property were vandalized, looted and destroyed (went past the Howard Street - Eutaw Street corridor on my way to work this morning, and a lot of the businesses had boarded up doors and windows), and the police and private citizens were physically assaulted.
This further demonstrates the convoluted thinking of bleeding-heart liberals such as the mayor. In their minds, it’s only a few windows or property that can be replaced - nothing worth a life. She has absolutely no concept of insurance premiums, deductibles and other costs (i.e. labor) associated with replacing and repairing things. She also has no concept of what it is like invest your time, effort and money into running a business only to have thugs destroy what you have worked hard to build.
If she had a spine, she would have said this to the face of the owner of the 7-11 across from the arena that was destroyed (not only did the thugs clean it out but they also took the cash register) and who doesn't even know if his insurance will cover his losses.
Phil said "
Tyrone, I don't know if you caught the Mayor's press conference yesterday where she told reporters that she gave instructions for the police to protect the rights of the "protesters" and made the outrageous comment about "giving those who wished to destroy the space to do that". Yes, she said this - a day after businesses and private property were vandalized, looted and destroyed (went past the Howard Street - Eutaw Street corridor on my way to work this morning, and a lot of the businesses had boarded up doors and windows), and the police and private citizens were physically assaulted."
Yes I heard that Phil. It doesn't surprise me she said that. She's a liberal, and liberals would say stupid things like that but more importantly they believe it is right. Protect the right of the protesters? What the hell does that even mean? Taunting the police, throwing rocks and water bottles at the cops, spitting on them isn't "protected free speech". Rawling Blake is a moron of the highest order. Vandalism is not an exercise of free speech,
"unless it's THEIR OWN property they are destroying"
If Mayor Blake puts the "rights of the vandals, looters and agitators" over the rights of law abiding citizens, tax payers, Baltimore business owners, what kind of message does that send? What message does that send to potential tourists and convention business? Us Baltimore payers are going to have to pay for the vandalized police cars and other damage that these non working, ghetto parasites committed. I'll probably be heading downtown tomoorow on business, so I'll check out the damage these "patriotic protected free speech vandals" committed. I wouildn't even blame these businesses if they decided to close permanently and move their businesses out into the counties. At least they don't have to worry about this crap happening again, and they will be in a safer environment. There was one video I couldn't posted it which showed a group of thugs throwing objects at people sitting outside of I believe might have been Pickle's Pub. One of thugs stole a woman's purse. The incident was caught on video! The BPD is saying that 35 people were arrested Saturday. If that is the case, then we should find out where these 35 people are from. Remember Mayor Blake and others swore up and down that the mayhem was being committed by "outsiders", so I would like to verify that those 35 arrested were indeed "outside agitators", which I have some doubts that they were.
Phil "If she had a spine, she would have said this to the face of the owner of the 7-11 across from the arena that was destroyed (not only did the thugs clean it out but they also took the cash register) and who doesn't even know if his insurance will cover his losses."
Mayor Michael Nutter of Philadelphia is the only Democratic Mayor I have some respect for. He would have handled this situation completely different then Mayor Rawlings Blake did. He doesn't take no mess for young people acting stupid. He would have stopped the violence in it's tracks,and he would have verbally called out the trouble makers and demanded arrests for any damage or assaults which happened.
Phil "This further demonstrates the convoluted thinking of bleeding-heart liberals such as the mayor. In their minds, it’s only a few windows or property that can be replaced - nothing worth a life. She has absolutely no concept of insurance premiums, deductibles and other costs (i.e. labor) associated with replacing and repairing things. She also has no concept of what it is like invest your time, effort and money into running a business only to have thugs destroy what you have worked hard to build."
Exactly, these business ownwer's insurance premiums may go up over this. This was all unnecessary and could have been prevented from the start. It's bad enough that many Baltimore City owners have to pay higher lease rates to begin with due to the high city property taxes that landlords must pay, but now they have to deal with yet another city caused burden. She's claims nothing worth a life. I beg to differ. I believe looters and vandals should have been shot either with rubber bullets or with the real thing. Who's going to compensate these business owners for the lost revenue they had to absorb over this? It won't be the vandals and looters, most of them do not even work, and I doubt that their monthly "Independent" card allowances combined can equate to the dollar amount of damage caused.
Tyrone: If Mayor Blake puts the "rights of the vandals, looters and agitators" over the rights of law abiding citizens, tax payers, Baltimore business owners, what kind of message does that send? What message does that send to potential tourists and convention business? Us Baltimore payers are going to have to pay for the vandalized police cars and other damage that these non working, ghetto parasites committed. I'll probably be heading downtown tomoorow on business, so I'll check out the damage these "patriotic protected free speech vandals" committed. I wouildn't even blame these businesses if they decided to close permanently and move their businesses out into the counties. At least they don't have to worry about this crap happening again, and they will be in a safer environment. There was one video I couldn't posted it which showed a group of thugs throwing objects at people sitting outside of I believe might have been Pickle's Pub. One of thugs stole a woman's purse. The incident was caught on video! The BPD is saying that 35 people were arrested Saturday. If that is the case, then we should find out where these 35 people are from. Remember Mayor Blake and others swore up and down that the mayhem was being committed by "outsiders", so I would like to verify that those 35 arrested were indeed "outside agitators", which I have some doubts that they were.
Tyrone, I don’t know how 911 calls the city received from people downtown because they or their property was under assault by these thugs. But given the mayor’s comments about giving thugs the “space to destroy”, I would have been highly upset, especially if I were a taxpayer. BTW, let’s not forget that thanks to the Maryland legislature and our esteemed former governor Martin O’Malley (aka “the Teflon Leprechaun”) residents and business owners have very few options for recourse since they’ve made it harder to purchase a firearm and defend oneself and their property.
Tyrone: Mayor Michael Nutter of Philadelphia is the only Democratic Mayor I have some respect for. He would have handled this situation completely different then Mayor Rawlings Blake did. He doesn't take no mess for young people acting stupid. He would have stopped the violence in it's tracks,and he would have verbally called out the trouble makers and demanded arrests for any damage or assaults which happened.
Let’s not forget, that our mayor said that the riots were the result of “outside agitators”. Today we find out that the vast majority of those arrested were from the area.
Tyrone: Exactly, these business ownwer's insurance premiums may go up over this. This was all unnecessary and could have been prevented from the start. It's bad enough that many Baltimore City owners have to pay higher lease rates to begin with due to the high city property taxes that landlords must pay, but now they have to deal with yet another city caused burden. She's claims nothing worth a life. I beg to differ. I believe looters and vandals should have been shot either with rubber bullets or with the real thing. Who's going to compensate these business owners for the lost revenue they had to absorb over this? It won't be the vandals and looters, most of them do not even work, and I doubt that their monthly "Independent" card allowances combined can equate to the dollar amount of damage caused.
I couldn’t agree more, Tyrone.
Dear Tyrone,
Regarding insurance covering the losses of the small businesses that were looted. This loss will put most out of business. If the insurance carrier doesn't cancel their policy outright, there will be an increase in rate that will sink most businesses.
I speak from experience. I live in NJ and run three businesses here. An employee violated company rules of one of the companies and was injured on the job. The cost to me was insertion into the state mandated workers comp program. My workers compensation rate went from 7% of payroll to 14% of payroll in one year. I already pay one of the highest workers comp rates in the state. One of the only higher ones: Tree Climbers (You know, the guys who climb up in trees with chainsaws to cut them down.)
The other: Residential Roofers.
Since I have other sources of income, I am able to survive and keep operating this business. I had to absorb a $10,000 increase in costs per year on a business that has earned me less than $30,000 in earnings for the last 5 years. If I wasn't a stubborn PA Dutchman, I would have closed this business. 5 people would have lost their jobs. Unintended consequences are real!
I can't imagine what the insurance carrier will do to the owner of the 7-11. Okay. I lied. I can. IF HE CAN GET INSURANCE (Required to stay in business in MD as in most states), it will double or treble in cost. It is entirely possible that he won't be able to renew ANY policy. Another vendor for a community is gone! At best, he will have to dramatically increase what he charges. Hmmmmm. Who pays for that? The residents of the community HE SERVES.
Mr. Allen? Please tell me how the businesses survive this kind of loss! I am sure with your vast business experience, you can help me out. I could learn something to help my own businesses.
David R. Fry
The community organizers don't advertise this "unexpected" outcome of their behavior. If they did, perhaps, the majority of the community would stand up to the agitators.
CB;"Freddie Gray and others ran from the police. If he had nothing to hide was merely talking to a friend, there would have been no reason to run".
People run from the police all the time. Some run because they're guilty of a crime, and some run because they have a "fear" of police in general. Which ever the case may be, running from police should not become a death sentence if they catch you.
Many Black conservatives tend to have given up on positive solutions to crime in black communities. Instead they themselves have developed a mindset of being an "overseer" rather than a problem solver. In Milwaukee, WI Milwaukee County Sheriff, David Clark wants the lower class blacks in his county to have SOME FEAR of his police department.
So what would the average person do if you encounter someone or something that they fear?
CB;"As for my mother, she wouldn't stand on the corner of a frequent drug area for starters".
Okay fine. You mothers' not a drug dealer and wouldn't hang out around them. But she does have a name, right? Lets say your mother has the same name as someone wanted for a particular crime. Now lets say she was at church one Sunday, and the cops stopped her as she was leaving the service. So the cops arrest her and take her to the station. Would it be "irrelevant", and would you not be concerned as to why your mother was arrested? Oh yeah..., and lets not forget that her neck had gotten broken on the way to the lockup.
CB;"Actually it isn't odd when you actually think about it. Any investigation from the Baltimore Police is going to be considered bias and very suspect by the Freddie Gray family,".
Oh boy Tyrone... You never cease to amaze and astound with such foolishness. The Baltimore Police Department is obviously run by a cadre of incompetent fools. If a Baltimore fire station had a grease fire on a stove, it would probably take the Baltimore FD 3 weeks to figure out that the grease over heated.
So of course you can't trust a bunch of incompetent idiots. Would you trust a police department that tells you that they have no idea how a person gets their neck broken, while in THEIR custody, and riding in one of THEIR vehicles?
Just saw on the news that Baltimore has gone crazy. Tyrone, are Baltimore officials really that hapless and cursed? Or are they just plain incompetent?
I am an Anarchist, Voluntarist, what ever term you want to use and I follow the Non-Aggression Principle being in favor of peaceful co-existence and cooperation with our fellow human beings. Those are not Anarchists but violent thugs who use hate, fear and violence to make themselves known.
If it was not for the pointless War On Drugs we would have less of these issues. Historically any type of prohibition creates more crime. The Welfare State does not help either. Just look at what it does to families and we wonder why people grow into violent thugs who never had a father that form gangs and sell drugs on the streets.
I've always said that blacks are their own worst enemy. Destroying their city accomplished what I am not sure. I will have more to say in the morning. My mother's church was building a multi million dollar senior citizen building in East Baltimore. The building was seen as a revitalization project. Well that has gone up in flames. I am so pissed off right now my blood is boiling!
I've always said that blacks are their own worst enemy. Destroying their city accomplished what I am not sure. I will have more to say in the morning. My mother's church was building a multi million dollar senior citizen building in East Baltimore. The building was seen as a revitalization project. Well that has gone up in flames. I am so pissed off right now my blood is boiling!
Tyrone,
I saw these thugs driving up by the carloads looting Mondawmin Mall. For those who aren't familiar with Baltimore, Mondawmin Mall happens to be a mall located in the middle of the city in a majority black neighborhood. The mall was recently renovated (even added a Target), and the surrounding area has been undergoing redevelopment (with Coppin State University having build a new arena across from the mall). Yes Tyrone, seeing blacks burn, loot, and destroy their own neighborhoods makes my blood boil as well.
Here's the latest statement from Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake:
"Too many people have spent generations building up this city to be destroyed by thugs, who in a senseless way, are trying to tear down what so many have fought for, tearing down businesses, tearing down and destroying property, things we know will impact our community for years."
Yeah, she really has the nerve to say that after she ordered her officers to stand down and to protect the rights of these "protesters" and give them the space to destroy property at their discretion.
As far as I'm concerned, while businesses and properties are being destroyed, someone being seriously injured, and Lord forbid, someone getting killed, you should be removed from office, have your pay garnished to cover the insurance costs of these business owners, and the victims of the riots.
What happened to Freddy Gray under police custody was a disaster. But you are just as guilty as the police to allow these hooligans to come into your city and destroy it because you told your officers to stand down.
-BP
Tyrone, you and your mother are in my thoughts and prayers. It is unfortunate that the efforts, deeds, and works of good people are desecrated by thugs and hoodlums.
David Fry;"Mr. Allen? Please tell me how the businesses survive this kind of loss! I am sure with your vast business experience, you can help me out. I could learn something to help my own businesses".
First off, I completely condemn the looting and rioting going on in Baltimore. Such madness solves nothing.
As far as businesses surviving such catastrophic losses, I'm sure it will be difficult. I would hope that those who lost their businesses due to the madness can recover via insurance, or efforts from the good people in the community. As far as your assertion about my "vast businesses experience" I'm sure you're just being flippant.
Phil said."Tyrone, you and your mother are in my thoughts and prayers. It is unfortunate that the efforts, deeds, and works of good people are desecrated by thugs and hoodlums."
Thanks Phil, I talked to my mother last night, and she is dismayed. Her church was building that senior citizen building to help the people in the community, yet the crabs burned it down and have deprived their own people that much needed resource. I'm not sure what's going to happen tonight, because I will be out late on business, and the curfew is set to start at 10pm. Hopefully i should have no problem.
-BP "Here's the latest statement from Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake:"Too many people have spent generations building up this city to be destroyed by thugs, who in a senseless way, are trying to tear down what so many have fought for, tearing down businesses, tearing down and destroying property, things we know will impact our community for years."Yeah, she really has the nerve to say that after she ordered her officers to stand down and to protect the rights of these "protesters" and give them the space to destroy property at their discretion.
I'd be very shocked if Stephanie wins another term as Mayor. Her credibility is shot!! She was once seen as a rising political star in the Democratic Party. I don't believe many people have faith in this woman right now. The criminal youth were better organized then the Baltimore Police!! That is pretty dam pathetic.
Tyrone: I'd be very shocked if Stephanie wins another term as Mayor. Her credibility is shot!! She was once seen as a rising political star in the Democratic Party. I don't believe many people have faith in this woman right now. The criminal youth were better organized then the Baltimore Police!! That is pretty dam pathetic.
Yep. I know people have short memories, but don't think she could get elected dogcatcher after this debacle. I also think her Police Commissioner (Batts), who was turned down for several jobs and had domestic violence issues before she brought him to Baltimore from California will be gone before the year is out.
The only reason this woman ever became mayor in the first place was because her predecessor (Dixon) was forced to resign from office over improprieties. And for those who don't know, she comes from a political family - her father was a powerful legislator in Maryland General Assembly who ruled with an iron fist. She truly is the accidental mayor.
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