The seeds for Palin already being planted in Iowa?
This gentleman's name is Harlan Muth. He's a resident of Marion Iowa. I guess it's never to late or in this case early to make a first impression. Mr. Muth has displayed his Palin 2012 car window sign on his car since last year's election. I like it, but he better be careful driving around with that sign. Obama fringe loyalists aren't tolerant to anything in opposition to him.
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 6:19 PM
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I don't see what is the love affair you people have with this dimwit sara palin if you people were real conservatives you would back Bobby Jindal for president. He has a better chance of restoring the american peoples love for this country and patriotism. Right now businesses don't even fly the america flag anymore under the dictatorship of the half breed monster hussein obama.Under Bobby Jindal Americans will be proud to fly the American flag again. Bobby Jindal 2012
Shwn you're a typical liberal bigot. You think you're superior to everyone who isn't a liberal like yourself or a progressive as you call yourselves now. Here is a thought judging by your poorly thought together post you hate Palin because she's a conservative and a woman why am I not surprised. You're post is all about hate not about her conduct as a politician.
shwm "I don't see what is the love affair you people have with this dimwit sara palin if you people were real conservatives you would back Bobby Jindal for president."
shwn, give me some examples that would warrant your claim that Palin is a "dimwit". I really would like to hear this. I'm tired of the insults towards her, because name calling doesn't represent the facts about her. Tell me something about her record as Governor and Mayor that would constitute the degrading of her intelligence shwn. As for Jindal. Jindal has been my number one candidate. I defend Palin, because the attacks against her in my eyes are drastically not warranted. Bobby Jindal said he wasn't running for President in 2012. He was running for reelection as Governor. Maybe you can explain to me step by step how Palin isn't a conservative shwn. Where did Palin and Jindal contrast on conservative views?
Dimwit...lol
That being said...
I waited to weigh in on this Palin for president business just to see what the pundits and media sources had to say about her quitting. Many of the high-profile conservatives have not really come out in full support of her decision to quit.
Conservative Fred Barnes had this to say;
"Forget about Sarah Palin as the Republican presidential candidate in 2012 and probably ever. She may have no interest in seeking the GOP nomination. But if she does, her chances of winning the nomination have been minimized by her decision to resign as governor of Alaska. She's knocked out one of three legs of the presidential stool and a second one is wobbly.".
Fox New's Liz Trotta agree's with shwn, referring to Palin as "inarticulate and under-educated."
Not to mention that just today another ethics complaint was filed by Alaskan conservative Zane Henning. Although they might seem frivolous, her detractors in Alaska hope to throw enough of them against the wall until one sticks.
Face it Tyrone, politically, Palin is toast. The overriding and most damming factor is that she stepped down as governor and gave no coherent reason WHY! So no matter what her next move is, it will be viewed as thoughtless and flighty.
My thoughts on a 2012 GOP presidential candidate... "Michael Steele"!
p allen "Fox New's Liz Trotta agree's with shwn, referring to Palin as "inarticulate and under-educated."
I know you said that Liz Trotta is on Fox News allen, but who is she in regards to being an influential figure within the grass root conservative movement? True conservatives aren't looking for a articulate figure head. They want a person that shares their values and will represent them. Bush was far from articulate allen, but he is a two term President. It's a left vs right thing. Liberals don't really care about the moral substance of their candidates. It only matters that they sound a certain way. Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter and Hussein Obama for example. When Howard Dean had his scream moment, you liberals abandoned him or dropped him like a bad habit. Dean was a die hard liberal, his views never changed after he gave his infamous speech, but all liberals cared about was the "packaging" of Dean and nothing else. Palin isn't as articulate as Obama, but Palin doesn't need a teleprompter in order to sound articulate speaking on the fly either. The so values that liberals look for in their candidates are the polar opposite of what true conservatives look for in theirs.
p allen "Not to mention that just today another ethics complaint was filed by Alaskan conservative Zane Henning. Although they might seem frivolous, her detractors in Alaska hope to throw enough of them against the wall until one sticks."
Ask yourself this question allen, why are they still doing it? If ths woman is an absolute irrelevant nobody, explan why this is still going on. Are liberals just vile and evil by design allen? Explain the justification. Why do they want something to stick allen? Do they care how much it will cost the state of Alaska to defend again th 16th ethic violation with 15 already dismissed?
p allen "Face it Tyrone, politically, Palin is toast. The overriding and most damming factor is that she stepped down as governor and gave no coherent reason WHY! So no matter what her next move is, it will be viewed as thoughtless and flighty. "
According to her tens of millions of supporters, she isn't toast by a long shot allen. You liberals said she was toast after the election. So were you all lying then? If you all were lying then, why should you all be believed now? As I stated earlier, pundits or anyone can't stop her from running for the nomination. She and she alone is the one that controls her fate or destiny allen. If I had a nickel for every time people said I wouldn't amount to anything, I would have many jars of nickels.lol
p allen "I waited to weigh in on this Palin for president business just to see what the pundits and media sources had to say about her quitting. Many of the high-profile conservatives have not really come out in full support of her decision to quit."
Was Palin suppose to have had "their support" allen? I believe Palin is an "individual". That entitles her to make decssions that shes fill is best for her. Let me use your words against you allen. You said a few months ago that Rush Limbaugh was the "defacto leader" of the Republican Party. So if you still believe that about Limbaugh, it really shouldn't matter what other conservatives think about Palin, right? The only opinion that should matter is the "leader of the GOP", and Rush Limbaugh thinks the world of Palin. The same power establishment within the GOP that didn't embrace her decision are going to be literally begging her to campaign for GOP candidates this time next year. You liberal tried to peg Palin as a nobody, but the reaction by the left and the Obama prostitutes in the media over her decision DRASTICALLY CONTRADICTS that yet again.
p allen "Conservative Fred Barnes had this to say;
"Forget about Sarah Palin as the Republican presidential candidate in 2012 and probably ever. She may have no interest in seeking the GOP nomination. But if she does, her chances of winning the nomination have been minimized by her decision to resign as governor of Alaska. She's knocked out one of three legs of the presidential stool and a second one is wobbly."."
Fred Barnes?!lol lol lol lol lol Dam that is funny!!! Fred Barnes is an inside the beltway neo conservative. The only people that give credence to his words are other inside the beltway neophytes.
If I was to poll Palin supporters on whether they have ever heard of Fred Barnes, I have no doubt that the response would be in the single digits. He doesn't speak for grass root conservatives. Limbaugh has ripped Barnes several hind parts over the years. Can you tell me allen, who did Fred Barnes endorse during the Republican primaries?
SHWN Sarah Palin relates to the average American. He is married to the father of her kids who is not cheating. Her son is in Iraq protecting ungrateful people, she takes care of a sick child, and 4 more and an unwed mother and grandson. Great person. I was a hockey mom, hunted for food, went to church that taught Jesus Christ and love your neighbor, not kill you neighbor, and love America. SHE IS WOMAN, AN AMERICAN WOMAN. NUFF SAID!
SARAH PALIN FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!
CB;"I know you said that Liz Trotta is on Fox News allen, but who is she in regards to being an influential figure within the grass root conservative movement? True conservatives aren't looking for a articulate figure head.".
Liz Trotta considers herself a "conservative pundit." Furthermore, what does it matter if you're a "grass roots-, cultural-, neo-, paleo-, crunchy-, or smooth-" conservative... they all VOTE REPUBLICAN!
You're right to say that conservatives aren't looking for an "articulate" figure, because you'll never find any meaningful intellect in Sarah Palin! (or most conservatives for that matter lol)
CB;"Ask yourself this question allen, why are they still doing it? If ths woman is an absolute irrelevant nobody, explan why this is still going on".
I never said she was "an absolute irrelevant nobody." I don't think the media has ever portrayed her as an absolute irrelevant nobody. It's Palin that promotes herself into the limelight.
After the election she could have just faded into her Alaskan governorship and ethic charges problems. But nooooo, she invites Greta Van Susteren for hour long nation wide broadcasts to promote Alaskan moose chili (on more than one occasion).
Palin relishes in the limelight at GOP events, and responds publicly (and negatively) to every menial attempt to poke fun at her. And what more can garner more media attention for a politician than "QUITTING IN MID TERM AND NOT GIVING A REASON WHY."
I found these two statements to be a bit contradictory Tyrone...
"If ths woman is an absolute irrelevant nobody, explan why this is still going on."
"According to her tens of millions of supporters, she isn't toast by a long shot allen.".
Absolutely irrelevant with tens of millions of supporters??
As I said, I never stated nor thoguht that Palin was irrelevant. And it's obvious the "liberal" media doesn't think so. That only leaves one entity...The Republican Party!
p allen "Liz Trotta considers herself a "conservative pundit." Furthermore, what does it matter if you're a "grass roots-, cultural-, neo-, paleo-, crunchy-, or smooth-" conservative... they all VOTE REPUBLICAN!"
Another pundit?!!ha ha. They are like a dime a dozen. Let me tell you about how useless "pundits" are in their opinions allen. Last year, the financial "pundits said that oil was going to go to 200 dollars a barrel and gas prices were going to be $10 to $12 a gallon. Needless to say, the "experts" were drastically proven wrong. Back during the late 90's, the "experts" said that the dot come era was the "new economy", and dot com companies would replace "brick and mortar" retail outlets. The bubble burst in April of 2000 wiping out over 95% of the dot com companies. Once again, the so called expert pundits were proven wrong. Pundits get paid for their "opinions"allen and nothing else. Has Liz ever run for political offices allen? I'm sure the experts in Alaska said that Palin could never be elected Mayor or even Governor. Just because she is on Fox doesn't make her opinions any more fact then anyone else.
P Allen "Trotta considers herself a "conservative pundit." Furthermore, what does it matter if you're a "grass roots-, cultural-, neo-, paleo-, crunchy-, or smooth-" conservative... they all VOTE REPUBLICAN!"
Well I'm a conservative too. Obviously the story I wrote on why I believe Palin is running is something the "pundits" were to stupid or clueless to not even have picked up on. Here's my challenge to you allen. Look over my points to why Palin couldn't serve out her full term. Show me where I'm wrong wrong when I said it wouldn't have been illogical for Palin to to finish with Iowa right after New Year.
p allen "You're right to say that conservatives aren't looking for an "articulate" figure, because you'll never find any meaningful intellect in Sarah Palin! (or most conservatives for that matter lol)"
Speaking of the stuttering fool that can't talk without the use of a teleprompter, you can't really talk on that allen. Without his teleprompter Obama sounds like a cross between a scratche 45 record playing in slow motion and a person with marbles in his or her mouth. On top of that if it wasn't bad enough, he's a pathological liar. I forgot, those are the qualities that make liberals like yourself geedy.
p allen "I never said she was "an absolute irrelevant nobody." I don't think the media has ever portrayed her as an absolute irrelevant nobody."
You need some seriously strong glasses then allen. Or you need to put down the industrial strenght Obama crack piple.
p allen "It's Palin that promotes herself into the limelight."
I know allen. She deserved to get destroyed because she dare accepted McCain's invitation to be his VP candidate. I've gotten to a point where I now believe it is 100% acceptable for conservatives to use brass knuckle attacks on Obama and his family. Frankly, I've think I'm done with the restraint.
p allen "After the election she could have just faded into her Alaskan governorship and ethic charges problems. But nooooo, she invites Greta Van Susteren for hour long nation wide broadcasts to promote Alaskan moose chili (on more than one occasion).
Why would you and your fellow kooks care if Palin did an interview. You liberals hate Fox News anyways, so why would you all care? She invited Greta merely to set the record straight over all the rumors and anonymous smears that were aimed at her. You got pissed simply because she dared to try and set the record straight allen. You probably do approve of all the frivolous ethic violations that were filed against her.
p allen "Palin relishes in the limelight at GOP events, and responds publicly (and negatively) to every menial attempt to poke fun at her. And what more can garner more media attention for a politician than "QUITTING IN MID TERM AND NOT GIVING A REASON WHY."
Give it a rest allen. Just admit you and you fringe kooks are mentally unstable when it comes to Palin. Free your soul all. Sarah Palin Obsession Disorder Syndrome "SPODS" is a very nasty, vile sight to witness.
I found these two statements to be a bit contradictory Tyrone...
"If ths woman is an absolute irrelevant nobody, explan why this is still going on."
p allen "Absolutely irrelevant with tens of millions of supporters??"
You liberal said she was irrelevant allen. Why would I say something that isn't true?
CB;"You liberal said she was irrelevant allen. Why would I say something that isn't true?".
Frankly... because you're hurt!! I never said she was "irrelevant." The so-called "Liberal Media" obviously doesn't think she's irrelevant. You've yet to "prove" that any Democrat has called her irrelevant.
Any politician worth their salt can be viewed as relevant. Palin is a politician and soon to be "ex-governor" of Alaska. Presently, (particularly for her political antics) she's as relevant as relevant can get.
Look here Tyrone, your argument make no sense. What you're doing is no different from what any other person or pundit, who is in inspired awe because of what you view as an elevated quality. YOU LIKE SARAH PALIN AND HER POLITICAL VIEWS...It's perfectly normal...
What's not normal is to feign and profess that those who don't agree with her, and might even view her as a "buffoon", as being "pissed, scared of Sarah, hate's morals, integrity, special needs children and God! You've even created your very own acronym ("SPODS") to protect yourself from the pain.
My view of Sarah Palin is as follows;
I see her first as a hypocrite for wanting teach abstinence in public schools when she couldn't teach it to her own teenage daughter.
Secondly, she is not very bright, basically I see her as a "bimbo" (a cute one, but still a bimbo).
Third, it has become apparent that she is "thin-skinned." This unduly susceptibility to criticism or insult has also affected her supporters (like you Tyrone).
However, since I've never met Sarah Palin, for all I know she could be a very nice person. For me, it's her politics that I don't like, and don't agree with.
Nothing more, nothing less.
So now, if you somehow want to make believe that I'm, "pissed-off, scared of Sarah, hate morals, integrity, special needs children and God", then it's YOU that has a problem...
Politics is a nasty game! That's a fact that cannot be denied.
CB;"p allen "I never said she was "an absolute irrelevant nobody." I don't think the media has ever portrayed her as an absolute irrelevant nobody."
CB;You need some seriously strong glasses then allen. Or you need to put down the industrial strenght Obama crack piple..
Show me when or where I did! Or, is this just another fake and feign disguise??
CB;"I've gotten to a point where I now believe it is 100% acceptable for conservatives to use brass knuckle attacks on Obama and his family. Frankly, I've think I'm done with the restraint.".
Regardless of how "hurt" you feel, AS AN OUTSIDER AND A PUNDIT it would be wrong, utterly stupid and totally childish to attack President Obama's family. By the same vane, it would be just as ignorant to attack "any other" political family because one family is perceived to be, or is being attacked.
Tyrone, unless you're a politician disguised as a Blogger...I deem it safe to say that- YOU'RE NOT A POLITICIAN! When politicians battle it's best to stay clear and let them duke it out.
If you truly wish for your conservative friends to go "brass knuckles" on the Obama family, take note, because here's a taste of what conservatives do best...
It's believed the "N-word" was shouted at a rally where Sarah Palin was speaking last year.
Sherri Goforth executive assistant to Republican Sen. Diane Black sent this in an e-mail to the Senators constituents.
Candidate for Chairman of the Young Republicans, Audra Shay said this on here facebook page.
Republican, Rusty DePass this about Michelle Obama.
Last year this was sent out by Diane Fedele, president of a San Bernardino County Republican women’s club.
And don't forget that David Duke was also a member of the Republican Party. There are possibly millions like him that would "love" to go "brass knuckles" on the Obama family.
Be careful for what you ask for because stupidity has no bounds.
p allen "frankly... because you're hurt!! I never said she was "irrelevant." The so-called "Liberal Media" obviously doesn't think she's irrelevant. You've yet to "prove" that any Democrat has called her irrelevant."
Oh, I'm hurt? Try door number two allen or take whats in the box. I don't think anybody with common dencency would relish in the vicious, vile, contempt, unwarranted, loathing personal attacks on another person merely just because that person exists. You are a liberal. You support and also take part in that kind of behavior, so you couldn't possibly understand that. On the flip side of the equation, the behavior by liberals towards Palin actual display liberalism in a negative light. I got several emails over the months from liberals stating that they didn't agree with Palin's positions on certain issues, they were embarrassed at how other liberals were acting towards her. They also said they would vote for Palin just out of spite towards their fellow liberals. This is whats happening. Once upon a time, liberalism was seen as representing "peace and love". Those days are gone. You all try to label conservatives has "hateful". Liberals are only fooling themselves by the behavior they have undertaken again Palin. You all have become the definition of "hate speech", "bigotry", "intolerance". I can say how liberals act all day long allen, but when other non liberals see it for themselves, it helps my case against liberalism 10 fold.
p allen "Any politician worth their salt can be viewed as relevant. Palin is a politician and soon to be "ex-governor" of Alaska. Presently, (particularly for her political antics) she's as relevant as relevant can get.
Political antics? Please illustrate.
p allen "Look here Tyrone, your argument make no sense. What you're doing is no different from what any other person or pundit, who is in inspired awe because of what you view as an elevated quality. YOU LIKE SARAH PALIN AND HER POLITICAL VIEWS...It's perfectly normal...
Thanks for seeing the obvious allen. I've only posted that I like Palin as a person since August. That still has nothing to do with how a person is treated. If I see a person getting robbed, my instinct is to go and help the victim. It doesn't come down to like allen, it comes down to "good and evil". "right and wrong". If conservatives acted towards Michelle Obama like liberals have acted towards Palin, liberals would be shouting racism from the top of the mountain. Conservatives don't play by the same rule liberals play by. The only way liberal viciousness is going to end is when conservatives match them on their own level.
p allen "What's not normal is to feign and profess that those who don't agree with her, and might even view her as a "buffoon", as being "pissed, scared of Sarah, hate's morals, integrity, special needs children and God! You've even created your very own acronym ("SPODS") to protect yourself from the pain.
The actions of liberals towards Palin demostrates the lack of moral, integrity and common decency allen. I don't like Michelle Obama's radical past, but I'm not going to call her the C word or even the B word. That isn't who I am. I'm also not going to call her a whore, slut or any other demeaning word based on gender. You more then likely still don't get it allen. I don't like people based on ideology. I'll attack them on their ideology. Liberals calling Palin a "*unt" or a "MILF" has to do with politics how allen? Just face facts allen. Liberals are flat out full of hate. It is what it is and has clearly been demonstrated, witnessed and recorded.
p allen "My view of Sarah Palin is as follows;
I see her first as a hypocrite for wanting teach abstinence in public schools when she couldn't teach it to her own teenage daughter."
Your argument is blinded by ignorance allen. A hypocrite is a person that tells someone to atack a certain way while they attack differently. Bristol isn't Sarah. These are two "individuals" allen. They aren't a mentally fused collective. Basing Palin as a hypocrite based on the actions of her daughter is beyond deranged even for you allen.
p allen "Secondly, she is not very bright, basically I see her as a "bimbo" (a cute one, but still a bimbo)."
Do you even know what a bimbo is by definition allen? I don't think you do. This is why the whole hypocritical claim about Palin being a quitter is such a freaking joke. Palin could have served two terms, and she would still be nothing more then a "bimbo", "slut", "whore" etc. Her accomplishments in politics still wouldn't have meant nothing. You all are the real hypocrites allen. You all are just way to blinded by hate to see your own obvious flaws.
I could ask you right now to name one thing in a role a governor that validated her as a bimbo, and you wouldn't be able to name one thing. Perception isn't reality in life allen.
p allen "Third, it has become apparent that she is "thin-skinned." This unduly susceptibility to criticism or insult has also affected her supporters (like you Tyrone)."
The New Post made a stupid cartoon about a chimp that was in the news one week prior. The first thing you and other liberals belted out was the word RACISM!!! "thinned skin? Don Imus called the Rutger's female basketball team "nappy headed hoes". Once again, you "thinned skinned hypocrites" yelled RACISM. Liberals demanded Imus be fired for saying nappy headed hoe. As I said, I don't like the treatment of Palin based on the fringe aspect of it, but it once again shows liberalism in it's true, raw, unpolished core form.
p allen "However, since I've never met Sarah Palin, for all I know she could be a very nice person. For me, it's her politics that I don't like, and don't agree with.
Do you call all women that you don't agree with politically "bimbo"s allen? So her children should be fair game based on liberals not liking her "political views". This is why I said that liberals are the jokes when they say they champion "diversity". It's funny has hell actually.
p allen "So now, if you somehow want to make believe that I'm, "pissed-off, scared of Sarah, hate morals, integrity, special needs children and God", then it's YOU that has a problem..."
Hardly allen. The actions toward Palin "POST" election shows that liberals do fear her. I not saying this to be saying this allen. The reason why I say it is simple. There is no logical or rations explanation on why the vicious and level of attacks against Palin has continued. Obama won. As I said yet again, the attacks on Palin are either because they fear her running in 2012 or liberals are just purely evil matured people by design. Choose your poison allen.
Politics is a nasty game! That's a fact that cannot be denied.
I guess the fact that I'm a conservative woman makes me a c**t right shwn and P Allen.
Just as I thought liberalism is all about hate!
CB;"Liberals calling Palin a "*unt" or a "MILF" has to do with politics how allen? Just face facts allen. Liberals are flat out full of hate. It is what it is and has clearly been demonstrated, witnessed and recorded.".
How many times does it has to be pointed out to you Tyrone? THE VILE NAME CALLING HAPPENS ON BOTH SIDES!!!!
Do this...Google "Obama is a Nigger", and see how many results you get! Almost a half a million!!! Just as you can Google Sarah Palin is "C-word" or a "MILF" and come up with similar numbers. It's not a "conservative" or "liberal" thing...IT'S AN AMERICAN THING!!!
However, when the name calling involves "race", the complexion of the insults take's on an entirely different meaning.
There is absolutely no way you can prove nor say that "a racist white person voted for Obama." NO WAY! Thus, those whites who are racist vote, and voted heavily Republican.
(if not Republican, anything else, but not Democrat)
And don't give me that "Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity" crap that blacks are racist for voting for Barack Obama. In actuality, that mantra should be insulting to conservative blacks because the vast majority of Blacks have voted Democrat for the past 50 years!! Over those 50 years, Blacks have voted for 10 times the number of white candidates as compared to black candidates. Yet your buddies Limbaugh and Hannity reject the obvious commonality... THEY WERE AND STILL ARE DEMOCRATS!!!!
A clarification to my last post. The last sentence should read; "BLACKS WERE, ARE STILL ARE DEMOCRATS".
Chilerkle;"I guess the fact that I'm a conservative woman makes me a c**t right shwn and P Allen.
Just as I thought liberalism is all about hate!".
You "guess"??? Why would you "guess" I or anyone else would refer to you as such? And it's "just as you thought".....? Then attempt to "answer" for me to boot!!
Chilerkle, you've made far to many ad hominem remarks to make a claim that you're "guessing" what someone else is thinking about you. I've read and posted on this blog for almost 2 years, and I've never read or have referred to "YOU" or anyone else as a "c**t."
Your attitude shows your character of paranoia combined with a false sense, or fallacy of persecution.
The commenter [Shwn] called Palin a dimwit. He also expressed his objection to Palin as conservative who supports Jindal, whom he considers to be a "real conservative." Yet your entire response (starting with "typical liberal bigot") was contrary to nature, reason, and common sense!
Shwn clearly indicated that he is a "conservative." But it is your (very own and personal)unwarranted persecutory suspiciousness that leads you to believe that; "whatever I don't like must be Liberal, and if it's not what I like, it must be liberal."
There is already to much hate being throw around for me to hate any one. I'd like to add, that I don't "hate" conservatives, I simply disagree with some (well... maybe most) of their politics. And for the record, like myself, the vast majority of so-called "Liberal" don't hate you Chilerkle. Yet that does not prevent you from hating whoever you choose to hate...including me!
CB;"Your argument is blinded by ignorance allen. A hypocrite is a person that tells someone to atack a certain way while they attack differently.".
Huhhhh??? Wait a minute. It was Palin who said she was for teaching abstinence "TO EVERYONE ELSE'S CHILDREN" in public schools.
Palin's teenage (public school age) daughter was pregnant and had a child at age 17. Palin "believes" in teaching abstinence, which is in "contradiction" with what "her own daughter" was taught by Palin....
hypocrite: \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\ -noun : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings.
Palin wanted to teach abstinence to others, yet she couldn't teach abstinence to her own daughter, so is there any other label that could apply?? According to Merriam-Websters, she's a hypocrite..plain and simple!!
"Your argument is blinded by ignorance allen. A hypocrite is a person that tells someone to atack a certain way while they attack differently. Bristol isn't Sarah. These are two "individuals" allen. They aren't a mentally fused collective. Basing Palin as a hypocrite based on the actions of her daughter is beyond deranged even for you allen."
PAA must either not have children. Or if he does, thinks naive they obey everything he teaches them to do or not to do. Or otherwise the moment they disobey him even once, that would mean by his own logic, PAA is a hypocrite.
The bottom line is Palin has like 6 children? It is tough enough in this day and age to raise even one child. Even liberal parents do not make claims their children get along with them or obey everything they tell them.
So these faux liberal outrage over her daughter not following in how she is raised is quite pathetic.
PAA: Furthermore, what does it matter if you're a "grass roots-, cultural-, neo-, paleo-, crunchy-, or smooth-" conservative... they all VOTE REPUBLICAN
Me: Too funny. Paleo-conservatives are of more Libertarian or Constitution Party. Get your facts right.
That's why the Republicans lost. Either true conservatives sat out the election or they voted for third party candidates like the mentioned parties that are more truly conservative than Republican. The only thing that saved McCain from totally getting anniliated was Palin at least getting a number of conservatives back into the Republican voting bloc. Or it would have been the biggest landslide loss in history. McCain and Republicans are clueless on what conservative values are.
"Palin wanted to teach abstinence to others, yet she couldn't teach abstinence to her own daughter, so is there any other label that could apply?? According to Merriam-Websters, she's a hypocrite..plain and simple!!"
Reread the definition: " a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings."
The person who acts in contrary to what Palin's beliefs are is not Palin, but her daughter. So how can Palin fit into any rational person's definition of a hypocrite there? She does not.
And how is failing to get her daughter to obey her make her a hypocrite?
So if your own kid disobey you even once, does that make you a hypocrite? According to your twisted logic, it would.
If you have a rule for your kid, and your kid acts in contrary, according to you, that means the parent, which would be you in this case, is the one acting in contrary to the rule or belief laid out.
If you have kids, don't tell me your kids never disobey you if they are of age.
Palin's daughter, like any kid, has a will of her own. She is not a robot. A parent can train a kid to do the right thing, but the kid if she is of age will ultimately decide what to do with what she is raised on. As in obey or disobey.
Liberals are looking silly here with this attack on Palin. They cannot condemn Palin here without condemning themselves as parents each and every time their children does something contrary to what they raise their children on.
And perhaps you miss the part that Palin also said she supports allowance for contraceptives to be taught in school alongside abstinence?
Funny liberals have no problem calling Palin a bimbo. More example of how liberals are not real feminists.
Tran;"The person who acts in contrary to what Palin's beliefs are is not Palin, but her daughter. So how can Palin fit into any rational person's definition of a hypocrite there? She does not.".
Duuhhh? You didn't even read what you wrote...did you?
person who acts in contrary to what [Sarah] Palin's beliefs are is not [Sarah] Palin [the mother], but her daughter [Bristol]..
How in the sam hill did "BRISTOL", act contrary to "BRISTOL" believed???? You're saying "BRISTOL" is the one who believed in abstinence...WHILE AT THE SAME TIME HAVING SEX, AND PREGNANT TO BOOT!!!! Yeah, right... and (hypothetically) your son is not really a homosexual, he just likes having sex with other men....right?
Before she was "tagged" by the conservatives (and her mother Sarah) to promote her "newly found" abstinence Bristol herself said that it's not realistic.
Getting back to reality, it is indeed as I said....Sarah Palin wanted abstinence taught in schools, whereas she was unable to teach it in her own home. Sure, kids will be kids, and they do have their own minds. Yet the fact remains that they are still children, and you bear most of the responsibility for teaching them what's right. If you "talk the talk, you should walk the walk"! In this case, Palin does not "walk the walk."
Riddle me this Tran... Lets say I want to teach your child how to respect adults, yet MY OWN CHILD CURSE'S YOU OUT! Am I a hypocrite, or just a bad parent? Perhaps both?
What I said was no Ad hominen attack it's true because I share the same values as Palin.
I guess if your brother was a thief I could also call you a thief hypothetically speaking!
How come you're not judging her based on her conduct as a Governor?
Sarah Palin's politics have nothing to do with her parenting skills or her personal life.
Obama's conduct as president is how I am judging. I'm not judging his parenting skills based on his politics. I'm judging Obama by his conduct as president and by the people he associated with.
PAA: person who acts in contrary to what [Sarah] Palin's beliefs are is not [Sarah] Palin [the mother], but her daughter [Bristol].. How in the sam hill did "BRISTOL", act contrary to "BRISTOL" believed???? You're saying "BRISTOL" is the one who believed in abstinence...WHILE AT THE SAME TIME HAVING SEX, AND PREGNANT TO BOOT!!!!
Me: Funny, you accuse me of not reading my own post.
I was responding to your claim Palin is a hypocrite for what Bristol did. Bristol was the one who acted inconsistent with what Palin believed. How does that make Palin the hypocrite when Palin herself is not the one acting inconsistent with her own belief here, which is required for a dictionary definition of the word hypocrite?
I said nothing about Bristol consistent with Bristol's own views. Nor said anything about Bristol's views on abstinence.
And yes, I read and reread what I wrote. You totally misrepresented what I wrote and put words in my mouth, then accuse me of not reading my own words and stating duh. Silly you.
I am saying how ridiculous it is for you to say Palin is a hypocrite for her daughter not acting consistent with Palin's own principle. That totally is contradictory to the definition of the word hypocrite that you yourself give. The word hypocrite involves one person not acting in accordance with the same person's principle. You have one person being a hypocrite for another person not acting the same as the first person's principle.
PAA: Yeah, right... and (hypothetically) your son is not really a homosexual, he just likes having sex with other men....right?
Me: Here you are saying a person is hypocrite for failing to live up to his standards, yet when it comes to Palin, she is a hypocrite for Bristol, not Palin, failing to live up to Palin's beliefs.
No, you are just moving the goalpost when it suits you.
Palin is a hypocrite for what her daughter did according to you. Or in other words, person A is a hypocrite for what person B did in you painting Palin a hypocrite. But now you get back to the actual definition saying person A is a hypocrite for what person A did, which precisely is contrary to your claim of why Palin is a hypocrite!
PAA: Before she was "tagged" by the conservatives (and her mother Sarah) to promote her "newly found" abstinence Bristol herself said that it's not realistic.
Me: So if your child does not agree with you on everything, that makes you a hypocrite? Nice. I hate to be you.
PAA: Getting back to reality, it is indeed as I said....Sarah Palin wanted abstinence taught in schools, whereas she was unable to teach it in her own home.
Me: Like I said, read more. Palin also has stated she does not oppose contraceptives taught in school. You are simply repeating leftist feminist smears against Palin, without thinking.
Palin had how many kids? 1 out of how many failed to obey her and that makes her a hypocrite?
Guess what? NO dictionary definition states you are a hypocrite if the value you stand up for your child later reject or act contrary to. You may state the dictionary definition as you did, but in effect you are making up your own- and liberal- definition of hypocrite to try to force Palin into your new definition of the word, rather than reality.
PAA: Sure, kids will be kids, and they do have their own minds. Yet the fact remains that they are still children, and you bear most of the responsibility for teaching them what's right. If you "talk the talk, you should walk the walk"! In this case, Palin does not "walk the walk."
Me: Then I guess every parent does not walk the walk then since I don't know of any parent whose children perfectly obey their parents on everything.
PAA: Riddle me this Tran... Lets say I want to teach your child how to respect adults, yet MY OWN CHILD CURSE'S YOU OUT! Am I a hypocrite, or just a bad parent? Perhaps both?
Me: No, it does not. A child has a will of his or her own. The best the parents can do is raise them according to the values the parents believe best. But the child when of age does have a moral will of his or her own and can act contrary even with the best of parents.
By your standards of what hypocrisy is, you would be a hypocrite if we go by that scenerio.
But not by mine.
No children will obey their parents perfectly, even the best of parents. By your standards of what a hypocrite is, every single parent, including liberal ones, even including yourself, are hypocrites.
You are not being consistent with how you apply the term hypocrite.
Chilerkle;"What I said was no Ad hominen attack it's true because I share the same values as Palin.".
Chil, an ad hominem attack has nothing to do with what you believe or think is true.
ad ho⋅mi⋅nem
–adjective
1. appealing to one's prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one's intellect or reason.
2. attacking an opponent's character rather than answering his argument.
The term, "ad hominem", when used colloquially (such as this conversation between you and I) denotes "any" personal attack. Here are just a sample of some of your "ad hominem" statements. The ad hominems are in bold...
5-23-2009 Early in his campaign I had my hopes he would be good until he revealed his hateful true colors. Insulting people of faith, his she-devil of a wife..
5-20-2009 They have the outward appearance of class and virtue(snickers liberals and virtue mix like oil and water) but inside they are ugly grotesque ghouls with viper tongues.
5-17-2009 That is why I find Obama to be the Devil incarnate. He believes a child is a punishment. That baby killing bastard!
5-14-2009 I hope that dunce Mylie Cyrus realizes that gays will throw her under the bus eventually!
5-11-2009 I agree she is a roach and so are most liberals in general.
I really find liberals super repulsive and pathetic excuses for human beings..
4-4-2009 I think everyone who voted for Barrack Obama is stupid!.
1-1-2009 I agree Bill Maher is a scumbag and I hate leftists with a passion.
6-13-2009 I really can't stand liberals. They are very much racists,misogynists and Anti Christian Bigots and Vile Anti semites. Liberals are pretty much hate mongers!
6-12-2009 I can't stand Leftists. They have no right to demand civility when they are far from civil themselves.
6-5-2009 I hate Obama's an asshole. The whole world uses the past sins of our nation as justification for acts of malice and even terrorism against us.
6-3-2009 Obama is a pompous ass and I wish he would resign if he had an ounce of honor or integrity but wait leftists and Marxists don't have honor or integrity.
6-3-2009 All the young morons who voted for Obama finding themselves jobless it would serve them right too!.
Chilerkle;"I guess if your brother was a thief I could also call you a thief hypothetically speaking!".
Well...you could. But you would have to explain and show reason "WHY"! If you knew for a fact that I allowed my brother to "fence" his stolen good from my home,then yes, you could call me a thief. But if I were not involved in his thievery, or you had no proof, I'd just refer to you as a liar...
Chil;"How come you're not judging her based on her conduct as a Governor?".
Her assertion to teach abstinence in public schools "IS A POLITICAL ISSUE"! The idea and assertion itself is relevant "conduct" and part of the job of being GOVERNOR!
Chil;"Sarah Palin's politics have nothing to do with her parenting skills or her personal life.".
You're right! They don't and they shouldn't. Unless she's talking about PUBLIC POLICY! Allow me to give you a dose of reality... PALIN WANTED TO TEACH ABSTINENCE IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS, which is a policy that would have effected other peoples (the public's) children.
Tran, without going into each of your responses, in particular there is one that illustrates, and for me sums up, your emotional attitude and sentiments on this subject.
I asked you if it would be hypocritical if I wanted to teach your child how to respect adults, although my own child would curse you (or generally disrespect adults). You said "NO".
It's not hypocritical in your book? So you allow your kid to curse out adults... and your reason for allowing this behavior is;
"A child has a will of his or her own. The best the parents can do is raise them according to the values the parents believe best. But the child when of age does have a moral will of his or her own and can act contrary even with the best of parents..
I have no idea when a child is at the age of "moral will". Is it 7, 8, 12, 14... when? Your kid curse's out adults, and you say it's the child's "moral will"????
Wow Tran, you just relieved every parent with a pregnant teenage daughter, every parent with a child failing in school, and children that have no respect for authority, of any responsibility and all accountability!
All that talk about "single unwed mothers", 70% out of wedlock birth rates and boy's needing fathers or male role models is not the "ACTUAL" problem after all... According to you, it's the child!! (and of course, his coming of age of "moral will")
Moreover, if you believe that "a child when of age does have a moral will of his or her own and can act contrary even with the best of parents", that make's Sarah Palins idea of teaching abstinence a "MOOT" issue!
Why teach something that the child won't adhere to anyway...WHICH IS WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING FROM THE OUTSET OF THIS CONVERSATION!!! In addition, it's something Palin could not teach HER OWN CHILD...which makes Sarah Palin a HYPOCRITE!
You republicans kill me when you accuse someone of being a hatemonger.
If you looked up the definition of a hateful person you would see rush drug addict limbaughs picture.I guess this loving republican preacher
that prays for the death of Pres. Obama is a loving person?
Pastor Drake Prays For Obama's Death
http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/pastor-drake-prays-obamas-death-im-not
PAA: Why teach something that the child won't adhere to anyway...WHICH IS WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING FROM THE OUTSET OF THIS CONVERSATION!!! In addition, it's something Palin could not teach HER OWN CHILD...which makes Sarah Palin a HYPOCRITE!
Me: Of course, that is if you buy the lie Palin always oppose teaching contraceptives. She does not:
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/sep/06/nation/na-sexed6
Just proof that liberals are the unthinking ones, not Palin, each and every time they throw out falsehoods just to shame her.
According to even you, the dictionary definition is a hypocrite is one who has a standard but fails to live by that. You claim that as a standard to call someone a hypocrite, yet you say Palin is a hypocrite for what her daughter did.
You are basically changing the definition to mean a person is a hypocrite if the child does not obey the parent, the parent is a hypocrite. No dictionary gives definition of the child disobey the parent that makes the parent a hypocrite. It is idiotic to claim that as you did. It is basically paying lip service to the dictionary definition while actually applying another definition altogether to bash Palin. That's what hypocrisy is actually (on your part).
Of course, you give yourself and all liberals a free pass on that, since we both know that your children and children of all liberals (and everyone else) do not obey their parents 100 percent of the time after they come of age.
Hypocrisy on your and many other liberals' part.
The fact a parent believes something does not mean his or her children will grow up believing or doing the same thing.
So want to call yourself a hypocrite each and every time your child say or does something that displeases you? Want to call yourself a hypocrite each and every time your child disobey you?
Don't just stop at your holier than thou attack on one thing you say her daughter disobeyed Palin on. Do it in all cases where children disobey their parents or act at odds with what their parents taught them.
Including YOUR children and EVERY children of ALL liberals.
Otherwise, you playing the hypocrisy card on Palin is the ultimate hypocrisy in itself.
PAA: Tran, without going into each of your responses, in particular there is one that illustrates, and for me sums up, your emotional attitude and sentiments on this subject.
Me: Pot. Kettle. Black.
I apply logic, something you missed totally.
Your attempt at throwing out the term hypocrite is based on emotionalism, not on the actual dictionary definition of the word hypocrite. You may give lip service to the definition that the person is hypocrite for not living up to his or her standards, but in practice you take that standard and deny it by you throwing the term at Palin based on not what Palin did but what her daughter did.
So you set a dictionary standard but don't practice it when dealing with Palin. What's that word again for that?
PAA: I asked you if it would be hypocritical if I wanted to teach your child how to respect adults, although my own child would curse you (or generally disrespect adults). You said "NO". It's not hypocritical in your book?
Me: No, because a person is responsible for his or her own actions.
The Bible does say the father will be not held responsible for the sins of his son, and the son will not be held responsible for the sin of the father.
The fact remains no dictionary gives the definition of the word hypocrite you give that is the parent is a hypocrite if the kid does not live up to the parent's standard. You may give the dictionary definition by which you say is by which you call Palin, but when in actuality you don't but use a wholly different definition, guess what? Not practicing what you preach.
PAA: Wow Tran, you just relieved every parent with a pregnant teenage daughter, every parent with a child failing in school, and children that have no respect for authority, of any responsibility and all accountability!
Me: Wrong and wrong again.
The parent has the responsibility to teach their children right and wrong. The children still has to obey. The children still has the responsibility to choose to obey or not to obey. To choose to do right or wrong.
But in actuality, you don't believe your own venom you spew at Palin.
Unless you prepare to call yourself a hypocrite each and every time your kid disobey something you ask their kid to do, then you also being a hypocrite for calling Palin a hypocrite.
Why?
According to you if a parent sets a standard, and the kid fails to live up to that, that makes the parent a hypocrite.
So that means each and every time your kid disobeys you, that must make you the hypocrite.
And don't tell me your kid or kids have never disobey you.
PAA: All that talk about "single unwed mothers", 70% out of wedlock birth rates and boy's needing fathers or male role models is not the "ACTUAL" problem after all... According to you, it's the child!! (and of course, his coming of age of "moral will")
Me: No it is everyone's problem. Parents not teaching right and wrong. Schools undermining parental rights by teaching moral relativism. Children having no respect for either parents, schools, or both.
PAA: Moreover, if you believe that "a child when of age does have a moral will of his or her own and can act contrary even with the best of parents", that make's Sarah Palins idea of teaching abstinence a "MOOT" issue!
Me: Except as pointed out, she favors both abstinence and contraceptives programs. Not one over the other.
Regardless though, the fact the child like age 16 has a moral will of his or her own is precisely why the child should be taught right and wrong, so the child can choose willfully one or the other.
PAA: Why teach something that the child won't adhere to anyway...WHICH IS WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING FROM THE OUTSET OF THIS CONVERSATION!!!
Me: In other words, why does God give us commands if He knows we will all break them. Does that make God a hypocrite? According to you, it would.
Why teach something if the child won't adhere to anyways? Parents do not know ahead of time whether or not the child will obey that particular moral value or not. But that does not lessen the responsibility of the parents to teach them, and then it is up to the child when he or she grows older to obey them or not.
Basically, you want to call Palin a hypocrite for the one time a child of hers disobey her (forgetting she has more children than just one), but giving yourself a free pass and all liberals a free pass each and every time your children disobey you. What's that? Hypocrisy.
Tran;"You are basically changing the definition to mean a person is a hypocrite if the child does not obey the parent, the parent is a hypocrite'.
No! No! No! No!
Not the child! The hypocrite is the person that asserts the policy/idea, yet has not impressed that idea upon the child. Palin thinks teaching abstinence works, otherwise she would have not suggested it. Clearly teaching abstinence does not work in her own home...what's so difficult to understand about that....? Geez whiz...
This will be my last post on this subject... fuget da' bow-dit!
"Not the child! The hypocrite is the person that asserts the policy/idea, yet has not impressed that idea upon the child. Palin thinks teaching abstinence works, otherwise she would have not suggested it. Clearly teaching abstinence does not work in her own home...what's so difficult to understand about that....? Geez whiz..."
Of course, you keep ignoring the part that she does not oppose teaching contraceptives in schools either (she wants both abstinence and contraceptives taught). Even LA Times reported that. But unthinking liberals keep the same drum beat over and over on this while accusing Palin of being unthinking. So funny.
Palin has five children. So one of her children fails to live up the morals taught at home, and that makes her a hypocrite? According to what dictionary's definition, exactly?
You say she failed to teach her child that. How do you know?
Like I said, you refuse to address the real issue: if one child disobeys a parent on just one thing makes that a parent a hypocrite, then you and all other liberals, if you ever have children of age, would all be hypocrites as well. By your own definition. No one is going to buy your claim your children and children of liberals never their liberal parents.
Children have a will of their own.
And how does the fact Bristol do the opposite of abstinence prove abstinence does not work?
If Bristol is abstinent, Bristol does not get pregnant. If Bristol is not, chances are she MIGHT get pregnant, and in this case, she did.
So how does abstinence not work? No, it is lack of abstinence that does not work.
Like I said, Palin has five kids. Can you get one kid, let alone five, to obey you 100 percent of the times throughout their years before they become adults?
Look in the mirror, if you have any children. And if you don't, you better hope you don't have children, since folks can in the future who read this and know use what you say here against you whenever your kids disobey you just once (and more likely than not kids disobey their parents alot more than just once, even the best of kids under the best of parents).
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