Astroturf outrage, Is Trump responsible for what a supposed supporter said at a rally?
I know the establishment Republicans and the Democrats want to bring down Donald Trump, but is there latest attempt just an illustration of how desperate both sides are to do it? Apparently now it is the responsibility of Trump to denounce anything that a supporter says that "others don't find acceptable". Case in point, a person at a Donald Trump rally spoke on mic to Trump and referred to Obama as a Muslim.
Since Trump didn't "correct" the man, now we have this latest tabloid controversy to deal with. What really has the Democrats and the establishment Republicans fit to be tied is that Trump has claimed that it isn't his job to defend Obama.
Since Trump didn't "correct" the man, now we have this latest tabloid controversy to deal with. What really has the Democrats and the establishment Republicans fit to be tied is that Trump has claimed that it isn't his job to defend Obama.
Trump is absolutely 1,000% correct. It isn't his job to defend Obama against his supporter. This is why this whole incident is so laughable. When Kanye West claimed that George Bush didn't care about black people, did liberals denounce Kanye and "correct him"? Back in 2006, when Hillary Clinton was speaking at a black church in Harlem, she claimed that the Republican controlled congress was running the place "like a plantation" and she then preceded to say "you all know what I mean. Nobody on the left went after Clinton for trying to tongue and cheek claim that the Republicans were modern day slave owners. If Democrats and establishment Republicans are so hot and bothered over the remarks by this one man, why hasn't anyone tried to find him so that they can "correct him". The reason why this hasn't happened is, because this is like I said, a fake controversy. As far as anyone knows, the person who called Obama a Muslim could have been a plant for either one of the other Republican candidates or the Democrats. As for Obama being a Christian, I don't know that he is.His version of Christianity is not the one that I know of. So who really knows whether Obama is a Muslim, Christian or anything. His support for the baby butcher mill Planned Baby Parts and his overwhelming support for anything related to sodomy and sodomy marriage doesn't exactly validate Obama as a Christian. If I was Trump, I would say one thing in response that would have the left and the establishment fuming. I would simply say "If you want me to defend Obama as a Christian to my supporters fine, I will do that when all my critics Democrat and Republican defend me to their supporters in stating I am not a racist". That would shut them right up.
posted by Alpha Conservative Male at 4:43 PM
21 Comments:
CB;"When Kanye West claimed that George Bush didn't care about black people, did any liberals denounce Kanye and "corrected him"? ".
NEWS FLASH! Kanye West is not the GOP or the DNC front runner for the office of President of the United States.
CB;"Back in 2006, when Hillary Clinton was speaking at a black church in Harlem, she claimed that the Republican controlled congress was running the place "like a plantation" and she tend preceded to say "you all know what I mean?".
First off, you're falsely and (as usual) disingenuously conflating to entirely different issues. The Trump supporter stated that President Obama was a Muslim, which he's not, and that the president was not an American citizen, which he is. The Trump supporter also asked Trump, "when can we get rid of [Muslims] them. Trumps response was, "we're looking into that." How the hell you came up with comparing a Trump supporters statements to Kanye West or Hillary Clinton, I wouldn't know. But...oooooh wait! I do know exactly how, and why you connect the two!
Yet again (as usual) you resort to your conservative instruction and use blacks as your political football. What the Trump supporter said had nothing to do with blacks, the black church, Kanye West or Hillary Clinton. Yet you go off on a, "I could make this about black people" tangent. Some idiot at a Donald Trump rally says the president of the United States is not an American. Trump says nothing and catches heat for it. But it's not Trump's responsibility to clarify President Obama is an American because Kanye West said "George Bush doesn't care about black people!" So the next time Kanye West says something "stupid", I'll just qualify by saying all Donald Trump's supporters are stupid!
However, if you really really really neeeeeed to make the Trumps supporters comments about black people, here's some quotes for you....
Louisiana Rep. Bill Cassidy said that Harry Reid was running the senate like a plantation.
One time 2012 GOP candidate Herman Cain calls it a Democrat Plantation.
One time congressman Allen West calls it a Democrat Plantation.
Sarah Palin "endorsed" the idea of a Democrat Plantation when she send out this tweet.
Add to that also that Dr. Ben Carson said Obamacare was "worse than slavery."
Are those comments about black people, "black enough for you?" So, for your next essay about Trump supporters crazy comments (which I'm sure there will be many) you can use one of those as a; "I can make this about black people" situation...
During his “eulogy” in Charleston, SC, donning his “black preacher cadence,” and speaking on race and on guns, Barack “Al Green” Obama never once mouthed the words “Jesus Christ.” But after the “eulogy” I heard sectarian blinded black democrats praising him to the hilt. During press conferences Obama sounds like any other brainwashed* liberal. (* “Brainwashed” is why schoolchildren are being told what to think instead of trained how to think logically and how to process rhetoric, then up thru college, the workplace, and in the media.)
And they say Trump should defend Obama?
Obama wants to bring 10,000 – no, 100,000 - Syrian “refugees” to the USA, when any enlightened American with half a brain knows that ISIS and Muslim Brotherhood have actually said they will use the “refugee crisis” to infiltrate Europe and the West. The TV pictures show hordes of men between 18 and 50 who are NOT fleeing starvation and could fight their own battle. Also, the media gives no attention to the factors that caused the migrants to leave their homes in Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, north Africa, etc., or about the West's support of present Muslim Brotherhood over past more secular strong arm governments which they helped to topple. Years ago, the federal government was warned by experts that they did not know who or what they were supporting in the Mid-East, in the cesspool that is Islam.
And they say Trump should defend Obama?
Barack Obama is one America-hating, jihad-helping, boneheaded jackass. Police officers and reporters are murdered by blacks in cold blood, and on TV, just because they were white. The president says nothing. Then a 14 year old brown muslim boy named Ahmed Mohammed gets arrested for having in school a digital clock in a briefcase that raises suspicion of being a bomb. Obama sends him a Twitter to invite the boy to the White House. And then there is all the “useful idiot” adults who back the boy up in photo ops by ignoring the past twenty years of school shootings and jihad killings.
1) With all the prohibitions on what students can bring to class without getting it cleared, what was the boy and his parents thinking? This is not the first controversy for the clock boy's father: http://clashdaily.com/2015/09/clock-boys-dad-is-as-legit-as-britney-spears-vocal-tracks/
2) What if it HAD been a bomb, perhaps with the daddy's help? If it had blown up people, then what would all the “there there little muslim scientist” people be saying then? Well the parents and pundits would be screaming for scalps for not protecting better! If it had been a Jesus loving white boy would Obama have called? Pamela Geller calls this incident a Muslim “set up.” http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/geller-islamophobia-clock-setup
3) Especially now, better an abundance of caution, then another Columbine. By the way, Columbine was proof of what teenagers and young men could do under certain influencers and factors. So was the Boston Marathon bombing. So was Sandy Hook. So was the underwear bomber. So was the D.C. Beltway snipers.
And they say Trump should defend Obama?
I believe that President Obama referred to the Muslim call to prayer as one of the prettiest sounds on Earth. Honestly, if I heard that, I'd be jumping out of my skin and looking over my back.
What's the difference if he's Muslim or not? Your actions define who you are. There's no need to be drawn into that tar pit. Let's take back some control of these conversations.
CB;"Trump is absolutely 1,000% correct. It isn't his job to defend Obama against his supporter".
You're right! Trump is being 1000% "Politically Correct!" He is doing what is politically correct for his political campaign. Trump admits that he reads "the polls." There are several polls that shows that TWO THIRDS of Trump supporters believe that President Obama is a foreign born Muslim. So yes, he did the right thing. He played his role exactly as it was planned. Trump was very public in his "conspiracy quest" attempting to prove that President Obama was not born in the U.S. So, why would he defend President Obama from an idea that he himself promoted?
CB;"The reason why this hasn't happened is, because this is like I said, a fake controversy. As far as anyone knows, the person who called Obama a Muslim could have been a plant".
Tyrone, you're the perfect example of the "broken clock" cliche'. For the second time today you're right! However, you, like the other broken clock conservatives, are clueless and have no bearing of time, space or reality. Yes the controversy is fake. But I believe it's a fake controversy concocted by the Trump campaign themselves. If you listen and look closely, when Donald Trump calls on the supporter, he says; "lets start with this group over here. Okay this man, I like this guy". You "like this guy???" Doesn't that tell you that Trump at least had an idea of who the guy was? And why hasn't any reporters been able to interview the supporter?
Donald Trump is a media manipulation professional. He's a showman. Yes the controversy is fake. A carnival like sideshow meant to play right into the minds of the clueless right-wing crazies. "Step right up, up to the best Street Carnival you’ve ever seen! We have something for everyone folks! The richest man in sight that's right! Muslim frights from Iran and South of the Rio Grand! I'll Deport them all and build a Great Wall, the biggest wall, see it all!"
Yes Tyrone, a broken clock is right twice a day, and there's a sucker born every minute...
p allen said in response to my comment "NEWS FLASH! Kanye West is not the GOP or the DNC front runner for the office of President of the United States."
News Flash Allen, the front runner for the GOP didn't make that comment. It isn't Trump's responsibility to defend Obama, and I doubt that Obama would have done it if roles were reversed. In others words, this is still an fake controversy.
The only person who knows about Obama's faith is Obama Maybe the person at the Trump rally took Obama at his word. lol I don't know of nor heard of any self professed Christian who was confessed as to what religion he or she practices, just saying.
p allen said "First off, you're falsely and (as usual) disingenuously conflating to entirely different issues. The Trump supporter stated that President Obama was a Muslim, which he's not, and that the president was not an American citizen, which he is."
How do you know Obama is not a Muslim allen? Why, because he "says so"? There are millions of Arabs in the Middle East who in public claim to be Muslims but are actually secret;y practicing Christians. In China, there are Chinese who claim to be atheists but are actually also secretly followers of Christ. Wow you are so gullible.
P allen said "Yet again (as usual) you resort to your conservative instruction and use blacks as your political football. What the Trump supporter said had nothing to do with blacks, the black church, Kanye West or Hillary Clinton. Yet you go off on a, "I could make this about black people" tangent. Some idiot at a Donald Trump rally says the president of the United States is not an American. Trump says nothing and catches heat for it. But it's not Trump's responsibility to clarify President Obama is an American because Kanye West said "George Bush doesn't care about black people!" So the next time Kanye West says something "stupid", I'll just qualify by saying all Donald Trump's supporters are stupid!"
As Ronald Reagan use to say "Well there you go again".lol How did I make this about black people? Did I refer to Hillary as black or something? I just quoted her words, it's not my problem that you can justice her use of them regarding the audience she was speaking to. You should know by now that deflection doesn't work with me, get with the program.lol But now that I think about it. If you believe that all Trump's supporters are stupid then that's your right to believe so. People are going to believe what they want to. You see, that is what you are missing. That guy at Trump's rally was going to believe Obama is a Muslim REGARDLESS OF WHETHER TRUMP WOULD HAVE CORRECTED HIM. News Flash, Nearly 30% of Americans believe Obama is a Muslim, that's over 90 million Americans.
Indigo said "Indigo said...
During his “eulogy” in Charleston, SC, donning his “black preacher cadence,” and speaking on race and on guns, Barack “Al Green” Obama never once mouthed the words “Jesus Christ.” But after the “eulogy” I heard sectarian blinded black democrats praising him to the hilt. During press conferences Obama sounds like any other brainwashed* liberal. (* “Brainwashed” is why schoolchildren are being told what to think instead of trained how to think logically and how to process rhetoric, then up thru college, the workplace, and in the media.)"
And they say Trump should defend Obama?
So the so called Christian was in a church and couldn't bring himself to mention his lord's name? I guess Obama likes it when "pastors" say things like god dam America and white America, USKKK of A and stuff like that. Obama's Christianity is very heavy on the Marxism and Social Justice and very lite on actual Christian theology. Remember when Obama spoke at Georgetown University which is a Christian University, A religious symbol with Jesus's name on it was removed at the request of the White House.
Obama once said that the United States wasn't a Christian nation
he also said and lied in an interview that based on the Muslim population, the United States would be one the largest Muslim countries in the world
"Vincent said...
I believe that President Obama referred to the Muslim call to prayer as one of the prettiest sounds on Earth. Honestly, if I heard that, I'd be jumping out of my skin and looking over my back.
What's the difference if he's Muslim or not? Your actions define who you are. There's no need to be drawn into that tar pit. Let's take back some control of these conversations."
He most definitely did say that. You're right, a person's actions do indeed define him or her. When people see Obama constantly trying to white was Christianity in this country and on the flip side at every turn elevating defending Islam, people are going to draw their conclusions based on his actions and comments.
CB;" How did I make this about black people? ".
How did you make it about black people? Have you lost your damn mind Tyrone? You wrote this; "When Kanye West claimed that George Bush didn't care about black people".
and; "Back in 2006, when Hillary Clinton was speaking at a black church in Harlem,"
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Now tell me again how YOU didn't make it about "black people?" The more Trump becomes a fixture in this insane GOP campaign, the more you far right wing crazies become more like him! Megyn Kelly is bleeding from her "where ever" every time I hear these Trump-ism's and the nonsense. Sure, yeah right... Trump wasn't talking about her Carly's face when her said "look at her face." It's her "persona", yeah that the ticket, her persona. And Jebs wife doesn't deserve and apology because he did blame her Mexican heritage had anything to do with Jeb's immigration decisions. And Trump didn't question John McCain's heroism. He likes captured soldiers. If Trump can say he didn't say it, so can Tyrone!
The crazies have gone way beyond normal politic-double-speak, but has been driven to down right, out right less than creative lies and buffoonery!
Vincent; "I believe that President Obama referred to the Muslim call to prayer as one of the prettiest sounds on Earth. Honestly, if I heard that, I'd be jumping out of my skin and looking over my back".
George Bush Islam is peace.
George Bush Islam is a noble faith.
George Bush as a Muslim.
Ronald Reagan meeting with and praising The Taliban and it's leaders.
CB;"When people see Obama constantly trying to white was Christianity in this country and on the flip side at every turn elevating defending Islam, people are going to draw their conclusions based on his actions and comments".
So President Obama makes a few statements about Islam and Muslims, and he can't be trusted. Yet George Bush and Ronald Reagan can make the same statements and not be called the same? Why the double-standard? Simple answer! For your white conservative Evangelical right-wing base, it because the president is black. For the black conservative, its because the white right-wing crazies expect you to go along with what they tell you.
Also bear in mind that President Obama ordered the attack that killed Osama Bin Laden, the same terrorist Bush said he wasn't concerned about. Keep in mind also that Ronald Reagan dealt directly with the Iranian regime, selling them weapons, and never confronted the radical threat. You conservatives should also take into account that Reagan did nothing after the bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut.
I am almost ready to change my homepage away from Yahoo. Everyday there are multiple attack ads to the effect that “Such and such is the beginning of the end for Donald Trump.” What is really interesting in this 2016 presidential campaign is that the more the press publishes attack ads against him, the more momentum Trump has gained. Everybody attacks Trump except the voters.
The more everyone else hates on Trump, the more his base and swing voters love him. At the Mobile, Alabama rally one woman carried a sign, “Thank You Lord Jesus For Donald Trump.”
To the destructive game of the past three decades by the lapdog media, RINOs, establishment Republicans, and the ad hominem, hateful, agenda-led, fact-ignoring, flame-throwing liberals, tens of millions of Americans are waking up. Also, a lot of excess is in the news today because of the effective debate skills of Carly Fiorina. Well, Trump says her CEO work at hp, and at her business before that, were disastrous. What is her actual track record, beside strong talk, or being “the first woman this or that?” Will she defend America, and will she build the wall, and will she bring corporations and jobs back to the USA, and will she do all that more effectively than Trump? Will Fiorina say “You're Fired” to the dead weight and the traitors, the way Trump has? The media will promote someone if it helps bring down the current king of the political jungle, Donald Trump.
Ben Carson is attacked all over the internet for weighing in against a Muslim as US president, but in the 48 hours since Carson's comment, his fundraising has shot way up. And don't call Carson's supporters “racist” because Carson is black.
People are sick and tired and fed up with talking heads who, unlike Donald Trump, have never built anything, trying to tell us who we should vote for. This year I have been tuning out what the pundits say, and even on the “news reports” on the candidates I hit the mute button. Yeah, it's been much better. I read and listen to the candidate for myself and then let my own brain do the discerning. Now I realize the battery only works with both a positive AND a negative charge. But it's been less unnecessary stress, and has worked much better!
Most pundits today are cowardly lazy non-creative people who are just “going along” so they can collect their paychecks and keep their current jobs and thus maintain their current cottage industries. If every talk show on television was abolished overnight, America would probably be better off.
Indigo;"And don't call Carson's supporters “racist” because Carson is black".
Really? But President Obama's white liberal Democrat supporters are racist?
Supporting a non-politician for president, someone who has never held any elected office, or held any major position in government is insane. Its like conservatives are sick and tired of themselves. In 2010 the GOP fell to the Tea Party crazies and many conservatives believed that those elected would cure their sicknesses. When that didn't work, they pushed their 2012 candidate [Mitt Romney], so far to the right that even he couldn't handle the madness. Now the crazies have taken over with the hopes of destroying the GOP establishment by supporting "political quacks!"
The GOP conservative base is like a person with a terminal illness desperately seeking a potion or a medical quack cure that will save their doomed lives. The irony is that the cure conservatives seek for the terminal illness, appears to be in the form of a snake oil salesman turned politician [Donald Trump], and a retired doctor [Ben Carson], turned politician and religious zealot. So it's true. In the literal sense, conservatives are "sick and tired."
The second Trump's numbers go down, the MSM start's crowing that he's "Done"!
"Done"? He ain't even got started! :)
The media is still seeking to report the demise of Trump. What they seem to forget is this: If Trump's approval falls way way down then (and only then) as he told Matt Lauer this morning, would he bow out (“If it wasn't working”). But Trump will not run out of money, and other GOP candidates will. Their money well will start drying up, like Scott Walker's did (he is a tough smart guy but boring campaigner). Right now Ben Carson's money well has gotten very deep so he is in for months. People like Jeb if they do not turn the corner soon their money will dry up and they will quit. Cruz has big support in Texas, and also broadly, and he knows how to fundraise. The point is, that Trump can hold out as long as he wants to until the last, even if he got behind by double digits, as long as his ego still thought there is a chance.
So far (9-30-15) Trump has not said or done anything that stops me from supporting him. Whether he goes to Washington DC or not, I am glad for how he has changed the whole landscape of the debate for the 2016 race for president. Trump has exemplified Ann Coulter's past book “How To Talk to Liberals.” The endless apologizing and backtracking due to “political correctness” must stop. In his boldness and brashness, yes, Trump has said this and that about him and her. The people who are holding such against Trump know good and well that they have talked the same exact way IN PRIVATE. The only difference is that Trump has publicly spoken his mind – and to me it has been refreshing. He is running for a governmental position, not a delicate private position. Trump with his money has also been a beacon for all the emasculated males in America, whom radical feminism has made afraid to speak out on right and wrong, or to correct the woman when she is talking blindly and foolishly ( Like Job told his wife, in Job 2:10). The other day when that stupid RINO said that in the debate Carly Fiorina had “cut Trump's ba _ _ s off” that RINO was projecting his own self, and that RINO was also bashing Trump by contradicting Trump's trailblazing dynamics. On balance, Trump knows he has to adjust somewhat, and he is gradually doing that. The process will do that.
Ben Carson: The Media 'Just Don't Get It' “The big problem with the media is, they don’t want to talk about the real issues." http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/carson-media-just-dont-get-it
Bingo! Bingo! Bingo!
Media people (& leftists they support) are full time distractors away from the things that are harming America. Click the link above and read the article. Carson in plain simple logical view pulls the pants down to show the dirty behind of the slanted biased choosing-favorites media.
"Also bear in mind that President Obama ordered the attack that killed Osama Bin Laden, the same terrorist Bush said he wasn't concerned about. Keep in mind also that Ronald Reagan dealt directly with the Iranian regime, selling them weapons, and never confronted the radical threat. You conservatives should also take into account that Reagan did nothing after the bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut."
And yet under Obama we still have Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya and Syria. The truth is both sides profit for war and the same chess game has been going on for decades no matter who is in charge. It is a massive historical mess and needs to end already. It's the governments that want war, not the people. Ask anyone living in Iran.
Eddie;"And yet under Obama we still have Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya and Syria. The truth is both sides profit for war and the same chess game has been going on for decades no matter who is in charge. It is a massive historical mess and needs to end already. It's the governments that want war, not the people. Ask anyone living in Iran".
Wait.... that's too much common since Eddie! My reply to the conservatives is based on their not knowing what their so-called "heroes" have done. Most conservatives are so befuddled and filled with hate over the "black guy in the White House" it's caused them to become blind and delusional.
Look at what's occurring in the U.S. Congress among the conservatives, Tea Baggers, RINO's and Republicans. They Gerrymandered, role played, snookered and wonked their way into congress, and now they're eating other for lunch. It's a circular firing squad!
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